Nick -
I don't mind offering my sense of what the aphorism is all about, I just
want to give others a chance to chime in before I start defending myself
in my overly-voluminous manner.
Can you meet me half-way with *any* sense of signal in what you are
suggesting might be pure noise (or misdirection or a just-so type
story)? A rusty pot-metal man argument perhaps? (duck here comes
another SG/DALL-E rendering!)
- Steve
I am trying not to be a jerk here, but maybe jerkiness Is so
centralto my being that I cannot avoid it.
I promise you, the question was not meant to be (entirely)rhetorical.
Glen has long since taught me that nobody uses words for absolutely
nothing and if you folks see some meaning in that aphorism, there must
be something to it. what is that something?
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On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 5:49 PM steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote:
Nick -
And here I thought *I* was being "pithy", then you call me out
on my lithp?! ;^)
The strawman arguments have started coming out, I wonder if
anyone will gen up a steelman?
- tinman Steve
On 10/5/24 11:26 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
So in what sense and for what purposes is this pithy aphorism
useful? What exactly is the pith?
If a metaphor, what is truth in the metaphor, the positive
analog. Nobody ever said that all metaphors are /entirely/ wrong.
and yes, I am being pissy.
n
On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 11:04 AM steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote:
All /Pithy Aphorisms/ are wrong, some are useful?
On 10/5/24 9:06 AM, Prof David West wrote:
my affection for the quote derives from a metaphorical
reading, not a literal one. Something akin to Steve's
differential rates of evolution. I also would have eschewed
'god like' in favor of 'magical' ala Clarke's dictum about
any sufficiently advanced technology.
davew
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
I think that this way of talking about emotions precludes
careful thought. First of all, neurologizing emotions is
just to hide the pea under the wrong thimble. I don't think
paleolithologizig helps much more. Glen is correct that,
whatever an emotion is, its inputs and outputs are
ontogenetically and culturally determined. So, fear, for
instance, is a relation between something that we take to
be threatening and something that we hope will be
avoidance. Inputs and outputs are everything. The rest is
just arousal.
N
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 7:01 PM steve smith
<sasm...@swcp.com> wrote:
Emotions/Limbic systems evolve at genetic rates,
institutions evolve at
social/cultural rates (maybe the fastest significant
change can
happen/resolve is in multiple lifetimes?) but
technology is advancing at
must faster rates?
Or is this wrong(headed) also?
On 10/4/24 3:43 PM, glen wrote:
> None of that is true, however romantic it might
sound. Depending on
> how one defines "emotion", that smells the most true.
But the
> mechanisms of emotion are as coupled to current
reality as is every
> part of our bodies. To suggest that, say, the Space
Force or methods
> like quantitative easing are medieval is just
nonsense. Technology is
> more democratized than it has ever been. Granted, it
takes (a lot) of
> work to familiarize oneself with something like how
GPS works or how
> to NOT click on that phishing email. But to suggest
that it's
> "godlike" says more about the person than it does
about the state of
> technology.
>
> On 10/4/24 11:16, Prof David West wrote:
>> /"The real problem of humanity is the following: we
have Paleolithic
>> emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike
technology. And it is
>> terrifically dangerous."/ Edward O. Wilson.
>>
>
>
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