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On Tue, Oct 8, 2024, 5:51 PM glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree. But it depends fundamentally on what one means by all those > words: "model", "wrong", "useful" - 3 unknowns, assuming "some" and "all" > are understood as quantifiers and "are" is understood as > membership/identity. The problem with the EO Wilson aphorism was that it > was too short. This one is even shorter. As I tried to hint at in my > comment about *solving* for the meaning of a variable in a sentence, the > fewer the sentences, the less meaning the sentences have. Why not simply > reduce all aphorisms to Mu and be done with it? > > > On 10/8/24 14:06, Jon Zingale wrote: > > Since we are picking on aphorisms, I wish to add criticism to "all > models are wrong, some are useful". > > > > To a great extent, the qualities of the thing being modelled matters. > For instance, natural numbers do have crisp, compact properties and can be > modelled by sets. To claim that models are never correct is to deny that > bisimulation ever exists between machines. It is fine, I suppose, as a > world view, but proving bisimulation between things also seems fine. > > > > Weirder still is the case where things can model one another and yet not > be useful. While closed lambda calculi, turing machines and agent based > models can all model universal computers, limitations of various types can > render any particular model useless. Only partially with tongue-in-cheek, I > am not sure anyone has ever found Turing's machine to be useful for > anything other than getting a passing grade on a senior year project. In > the case of ants, do we really have to wait so long? > > > > Alright, time to run away before my ears are George Boxed... > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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