Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Justin Mclean
Hii Gorgon, > Are developers on this list still able to earn a living building new Flex > apps, or are you maintaining old ones? Yes. Doing a bit of both. Justin

[jira] [Updated] (FLEX-33264) Fix Mustella files that contains a BOM in the middle of a file instead the beginning.

2012-11-16 Thread Cyrill Zadra (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33264?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Cyrill Zadra updated FLEX-33264: Attachment: FLEX-33264.patch > Fix Mustella files that contains a BOM in the middle of a file i

Re: What to expect from FalconJS

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
> >> In the meantime, make sure you look at the slide deck from Michael >> Labriola¹s 360Min presentation on how he is developing apps for HTML. I¹m >> sure he¹ll reply with the link > > Is the slidedeck already pulished somewhere? > http://www.slideshare.net/michael.labriola/randori-design-go

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 6:23 PM, "jude" wrote: > That is my point in staying with what we have. The Flex SDK has had some > constraints on it that made it what it is today. I'm not against starting a > new or full rewrite but I would say let's get this project going on the > current code base first. Let's

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 11/16/2012 10:25 PM, Hordur Xtest2 Imap wrote: Also, when Steve J started his crusade against Flash on the iPhone, part of the argument was HTML5 is so good you can do anything with that, that you can do in Flash. Fast forward a few years and the reality is almost all mobile apps are native

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Hordur Xtest2 Imap
Well I dont agree with this. If we narrow down the discussion a bit and just talk about Flex apps in the browser, then as far as I know there are only two usable ways of running apps there, via Flash player or as HTML/JS. One way depends on Adobe technology and the other on the implementation o

Re: What to expect from FalconJS

2012-11-16 Thread Cyrill Zadra
> I have been playing around with Falcon JS to help me form an opinion on what > the next steps are, but I need some sign-offs from folks in Adobe before I > can make it public Looking forward to read your opinion. > In the meantime, make sure you look at the slide deck from Michael > Labriol

[jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33264) Fix Mustella files that contains a BOM in the middle of a file instead the beginning.

2012-11-16 Thread Cyrill Zadra (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33264?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13499333#comment-13499333 ] Cyrill Zadra commented on FLEX-33264: - Affected files: frameworks/projects/advancedgr

Re: [FALCON] Problem with \uFEFF chararcters in mustella files

2012-11-16 Thread Cyrill Zadra
Hi Gordon I think so too.. I'll try to create a list with all the affected files and if there aren't too much I'll replace them manually .. otherwise there is maybe a way to do it by script. cyrill Am 16.11.2012 um 11:15 schrieb Gordon Smith : > I believe a BOM is only a BOM if it's at the

[jira] [Created] (FLEX-33264) Fix Mustella files that contains a BOM in the middle of a file instead the beginning.

2012-11-16 Thread Cyrill Zadra (JIRA)
Cyrill Zadra created FLEX-33264: --- Summary: Fix Mustella files that contains a BOM in the middle of a file instead the beginning. Key: FLEX-33264 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33264 Pro

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread jude
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Keep in mind that I'm the biggest proponent of the full re-write. We may > still find a few performance mistakes in the current code (like the Chart > styles init that just got fixed), but really, some very smart people have > spent a lot of t

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-16 Thread Dave Fisher
Bertrand's post is much better than the similar in substance one that I composed but had not edited last night. I can say from experience that [1] is well worth watching. I really like how this community self-innoculates. Regards, Dave On Nov 16, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Joan Llenas Masó
We could discuss for hours about the technical aspects of the Flash Player and how well Flex integrates with it, however there's one thing that is not going to change: - Customer Perception. This very fact is key to decide the future of Flex because nobody wants to use a technology that no one wan

Re: Can I get some UIComponent refactor work?

2012-11-16 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Frédéric, many thanks for you link I will dig it and see your approach. 2012/11/16 Frédéric THOMAS > I started something very basic at the beginning of the year but didn't > have time to continue but I thought to go back on it at some point waitting > as weel what Alex did and Mike Labriola

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Nils Dupont
@Gordon ActionScript 2.0 was introduced in 2004 and is still supported in Flash Player. As you say, AS3 / AVM2 will not disappear from one day to the other, and Adobe, also, was clear on this point. Maybe an average Flex application just doesn't need the new features that will be introduced in AS4

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Jeffry Houser
I'm still doing some new development; however the question of "Why not HTML5" is coming up more and more frequently On 11/16/2012 5:09 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: I think that developers can continue to build good apps with AS3 and V11, but I'm assuming -- perhaps wrongly -- that the demand for

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread John Cunliffe
Hi Carlos, I don't often post on this list, yet I consider myself a big supporter of Flex. This discussion makes me change my silent policy because it targets my growing main concern, which I assume is shared by many other developers: Will I be able to make a living with Flex programming in future

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Gordon, yes thats exactly my point of view regarding a new flex from scratch. Regarding current Flex 4.x...evidently we are tied. Coming from you, is very valuable comment, and should make think many of us in this list. 2012/11/16 Gordon Smith > > My advice is to avoid tying Flex to any pr

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Alain Ekambi
What we do is calling Flash/Flex APis through a custom FABridge (That we are planing to contribuate soon). So at the of the day it still a Flash/Flex application but not written in ActionScript/MXML. You can have a look at a demo here : http://flex4j.appspot.com/ For AIR we wrapped the AIR JS AP

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Frederic Cox
I expect more momentum in the coming months due to developers realizing, or marketeers realizing, what HTML5 in practice means... Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 16-nov.-2012 om 23:23 heeft Om het volgende geschreven: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> I think that d

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Om
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I think that developers can continue to build good apps with AS3 and V11, > but I'm assuming -- perhaps wrongly -- that the demand for them is going to > decrease because companies see that Adobe is no longer investing many > resources in the

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
Did you use some HTML/JS implementation of native Flash/AIR APIs such as Sprite? - Gordon -Original Message- From: Alain Ekambi [mailto:jazzmatad...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:43 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Flex 5 in haxe We dont use ActionScript/

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Alain Ekambi
We dont use ActionScript/MXML at all. ActionScript/MXML were not scaling for our customers(most of them use J2EE) so we exported the Flash/AIR/Flex API to Java using GWT giving their devs the ability to write Flex using the tools they are familiar with. 2012/11/16 Gordon Smith > > we have

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Hugo Miguel Pereira Matinho
Hi all we do also have a slash of momentum building air and mobile apps for our customers and more and more customers ask us to deliver in flex/air i believe the framework does have its quirks but nontheless it's still the best framework to work with and lets be fair HTML5 is not an option and i ca

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Fréderic Cox
@Gordon, Alex, We are also creating new apps as well as maintaining older ones. We previously created web-only OR mobile-only apps. But lately we are creating a library project which holds 95% of the code and 2 specific projects for mobile and AIR versions of the app. Just today I presented a sale

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
> we have a different approach to Flex development Can you elaborate on that a little? -Original Message- From: Alain Ekambi [mailto:jazzmatad...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 2:22 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Flex 5 in haxe @Gordon We actually see an

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Alain Ekambi
@Gordon We actually see an increasing interest in Flex/AIR coming for our customers. With the small team that we have we actualy cant keep up with the requests. But i have to say we have a different approach to Flex development tho. 2012/11/16 Alex Harui > > > > On 11/16/12 1:52 PM, "Fréderic

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 1:52 PM, "Fréderic Cox" wrote: > I'm glad Alex is here because I believe he does not only have > the experience but also great ideas where Flex should be headed. And he > might have been blocked previously by business decisions but now can take > Flex to a even higher level. > Kee

RE: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>You're probably right, but for the minority who did write separate business >logic, I think this will be the path of least resistance. And for those who >didn't, it still might be easier to refactor >their code to get separation >than have to rewrite every line. Anyway, that's the angle I'm

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
I think that developers can continue to build good apps with AS3 and V11, but I'm assuming -- perhaps wrongly -- that the demand for them is going to decrease because companies see that Adobe is no longer investing many resources in them. Hasn't demand already fallen off over the last year? Are

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Fréderic Cox
I understand what you mean here but isn't that always going to be the case. AS4 will go into maintenance mode, then AS5 etc.. What I don't understand is why AS3 is not good enough for a Flex 5 version or even Flex 6 which will export to multiple targets. Can you elaborate on that? Output should be

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Fréderic Cox
I agree with Jude, we should use Flex 5 to show Adobe what they gave away. I am still creating apps using Adobe AIR and Flex 4.6 and I'm able to create feature-rich apps which run on mobile and desktop using the same codebase. This is pure gold but Adobe doesn't realize it, or did but did not have

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 12:27 PM, "Michael A. Labriola" wrote: >> Because I expect the major factor in deciding what to do with your existing >> apps is about the cost of moving. For sure, if you completely abandon Flex >> you will have to rewrite all of your >views and all of your business logic. >> If

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
> We need the Flash Player and AIR. Adobe needs to continue to support us. The continued support is that AS3 and V11 and AIR-for-V11 aren't going away. But I think the idea is that they go into maintenance mode. They're not the technology of the future. Do you want to develop for an old, aging p

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread jude
Another penny... Adobe was not good at marketing Flex (or AIR). And I don't think we're doing well at selling or marketing Flex either. How many people or clients know it's the best solution out there for targeting multiple platforms plus it's many other benefits? I can't speak for everyone but I k

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 1:35 PM, "Gordon Smith" wrote: > Note that I did not include AS3, because AS3 is no longer proprietary to > Adobe. But I don't see how AS3 gets you onto every platform you want to run > on. I'd like to hear more from Alex what his vision for iOS and Android is. > For example, get t

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
Note that I did not include AS3, because AS3 is no longer proprietary to Adobe. But I don't see how AS3 gets you onto every platform you want to run on. I'd like to hear more from Alex what his vision for iOS and Android is. For example, get to HTML/JS and then use Cordova? - Gordon -Origi

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Ben Dalton
Another couple pennies worth of input... One of the things that isn't being considered is that even though you can compile the Haxe language back down to many different bytecodes, it's still not a way to directly remove the dependency on Adobe's runtime. So much of the core of Flex is dependent on

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread jude
+1 to Nick's comments. Alex has stated that Adobe is looking at how the Flex community responds to Apache Flex. We need the Flash Player and AIR. Adobe needs to continue to support us. Adobe cannot starve it's children anymore. This needs to change. Flex is the greatest framework / toolchain I've

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Fréderic Cox
Personally I think we are looking at the wrong problem here. The changes proposed seem quite drastic to me. I believe we can achieve great things using the current codebase and target. Sure, we need to remove the dependency from Flash at some time but we need to be realistic here .. Porting too Hax

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Michael Schmalle
Folks, I have sat out this whole day reading everything. This statement of Gordon's is golden and should be taken seriously. I have no idea what the answer is to the 100's of posts today but one thing is clear, break the Adobe dependencies however possible and don't count on them. I was

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
Even if a high-quality open-source version of Flash Player were developed, it wouldn't have anything like the ubiquity that Adobe's player has, so you'd have distribution issues. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Bruce Montague [mailto:bruce_monta...@symantec.com] Sent: Friday, Novembe

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
If Haxe really produces fast-running and good-looking apps on all platforms of interest (does it?), I think it should be a top contender since it is open-source. You could throw away the ActionScript part of Falcon and make the MXML part of Falcon produce Haxe source code. MXML script blocks, ev

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Bruce Montague
Hi, I do not know that much about Flex, the history of Flex, or all the other background relating to this thread, etc.. How realistic would it be for an open source community to write an open source, portable, (likely vanilla C), equivalent of Flash Player and the AVM? Maybe not including all o

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
> From what I previously read, I don't think we were getting an updated Falcon > compiler that will generate AVM3 code. > They were not planning on open-sourcing that (but correct me if I'm wrong in > that aspect). That's correct. Adobe has no plans to open-source its new AS4-for-V12 compiler.

RE: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Because I expect the major factor in deciding what to do with your existing >apps is about the cost of moving. For sure, if you completely abandon Flex >you will have to rewrite all of your >views and all of your business logic. >If I offered a solutions where you still had to rewrite your view

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Stefan Horochovec < stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: [snip] > The development of the new VM and AS4 specification is not reported or > discussed with Apache Flex, knowing that we depend exclusively of Flash > Player and AIR to execute applications. This in my

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I'm guessing that this is because the major companies who used to use Flex and >swore that they had plenty of compiler engineers who would help finish Falcon >have moved on to other >technologies. Just to speak for all of those companies, much of this happened at the Flex summit. When many of

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Stefan Horochovec
Hi Well, I'm sad to say it, but those doubts now arise from the fact that Flex generates bytecode that runs on a VM that does not perterce to us, we are required to use the features it comes, and not what would like to have. Some features that were designed in the list (Generics, proposed by mysel

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
> Currently I see no compelling reason to move to the new VM when it comes out. > Once we know more about it that may change but it sounds like it wont be > compatible with AS3. The new VM will not execute the old bytecode that any AS3 compiler currently produces. Adobe is turning its new Falco

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
> Since Falcon has little support of MXML, I see we don't loose almost nothing. Given that Falcon can compile MXML apps like Checkinapp, I don't think it's accurate to characterize its level of MXML support as "little". My own characterization would be "80% complete". But completing the other 20

RE: [FALCON] Problem with \uFEFF chararcters in mustella files

2012-11-16 Thread Gordon Smith
I believe a BOM is only a BOM if it's at the beginning of the file. So I think Falcon is correct to complain and the files should be fixed. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Cyrill Zadra [mailto:cyrill.za...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:58 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apach

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread sébastien Paturel
"it seems that moving Falcon to a direction where it can target other runtimes is going to take much less time than a complete rewrite of the framework" Not sure at all. its hard to say, and maybe Gordon could try to answer. Check my other thread: its not only a new target / new language issue

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread sébastien Paturel
Hi, it sounds quite like a short term vision to me. yes i agree that flex is still good solution for TODAY running on Adobes runtimes. maybe for a few years also but its risky and totally Adobe dependant. Of course theres better JS fraework for HTML5, because flex don't support HTML5. Flex is

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Nick Tsitlakidis
+1 to everything Nicholas Kwiatkowski stated. AS3 is a matured language and if your objective is to target other runtimes then you wouldn't convert to AS4 anyway. I'm not an expert on compilers but it seems that moving Falcon to a direction where it can target other runtimes is going to take much

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Hordur Thordarson wrote: > > There are only two visible deployment options going forward, Adobe's VM or > HTML. Both have plusses and minuses and my view is that HTML has many more > minuses, at least currently, and I just don't see that changing in the near > f

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 9:26 AM, "sébastien Paturel" wrote: > Le 16/11/2012 17:53, Alex Harui a écrit : >> I still remain >> convinced that once you force folks to rewrite their business logic in >> another language, then they are more likely to review all of the >> possibilities out there, and there ar

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Alain Ekambi
Hello folks, I would like to add my 2 cents to this interesing discussion. First let me share my experience with the Flash platform. We have been building Flash based solutions for many years now. We have different set of products mostly based on GWT that cover all the spectrum (Native mobile

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
We have the compiler -- why can't we just adapt the output to another platform instead of the input. We are only limited to the input standards we create outselves. Nothing in the compiler is forcing us to output to SWF. -Nick On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Carlos Rovira < carlos.rov...@code

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > I only know a little about Haxe. Could you comment on what would be > required (in terms of skills and effort) to port Flex to Haxe? I know it's > ActionScript like but is missing a few features that Flex may be using? > Other than compilin

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Joan Llenas Masó
> > I can't wait to ear about what you have to propose for the #2 objective. > Maybe thats why you are more confident about the "keep AS3" solution. > > Same here!

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread sébastien Paturel
Le 16/11/2012 17:53, Alex Harui a écrit : I still remain convinced that once you force folks to rewrite their business logic in another language, then they are more likely to review all of the possibilities out there, and there are currently many, like Sencha, PhoneGap/Cordova, going native for

Re: Can I get some UIComponent refactor work?

2012-11-16 Thread Frédéric THOMAS
I started something very basic at the beginning of the year but didn't have time to continue but I thought to go back on it at some point waitting as weel what Alex did and Mike Labriola too on AOP, glance at it if you want https://github.com/doublefx/UIComponentBehaviors -Message d'origin

Re: Can I get some UIComponent refactor work?

2012-11-16 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Alex, that would be great, since that is IMO the first stone to start the effort. Thanks 2012/11/16 Alex Harui > > > > On 11/16/12 9:07 AM, "Carlos Rovira" > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'd want to ask here if some refactor/experiment about decoupling > > UIComponent with composition over i

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Justin, as someone with lots of apps and products written in current Flex, I would want to continue with my products migration to new versions. But the reality out there is that all ways points to a new rewrite. I'm sure there are people here that wants maintain and evolutione the actual framew

Re: Can I get some UIComponent refactor work?

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 9:07 AM, "Carlos Rovira" wrote: > Hi, > > I'd want to ask here if some refactor/experiment about decoupling > UIComponent with composition over inheritance could be shared. I'd want to > start experimenting with haxe and that would be very helpful. > > Alex? others? Is something

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > >> They could do a 180 on their views of AIR next November. Then what? > IMO We'd still have some time to change course, as we could still use > exiting versions of AIR and captive runtime. > > Justin > > I'd rather be prepared for th

Re: Can I get some UIComponent refactor work?

2012-11-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Carlos Rovira < carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'd want to ask here if some refactor/experiment about decoupling > UIComponent with composition over inheritance could be shared. I'd want to > start experimenting with haxe and that would be very hel

What to expect from FalconJS

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
It has been almost a year since we announced Flex would be donated to Apache. We’ve spent all of this time preparing donations of the code. It has taken much longer than I would have ever imagined, but we are almost done. The FalconJS code passed legal review yesterday and just needs a few ot

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > a new flex 5 from scratch concept would not be trying to be compatible > backwards. > So it's not Flex then but a new framework. I'm sure that would be fun, but > how would that serve the current users of the Flex framework? Would t

Can I get some UIComponent refactor work?

2012-11-16 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi, I'd want to ask here if some refactor/experiment about decoupling UIComponent with composition over inheritance could be shared. I'd want to start experimenting with haxe and that would be very helpful. Alex? others? Is something shared in some whiteboard? if yes, could you share the link? T

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, >> They could do a 180 on their views of AIR next November. Then what? IMO We'd still have some time to change course, as we could still use exiting versions of AIR and captive runtime. Justin

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > a new flex 5 from scratch concept would not be trying to be compatible > backwards. So it's not Flex then but a new framework. I'm sure that would be fun, but how would that serve the current users of the Flex framework? Would there be a clear migration path? > If the task of write a ne

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Hordur Thordarson
> They could do a 180 on their > views of AIR next November. Then what? Well, then I'd be buggered for sure, that's the risk :-) > This view is a little narrow minded. I would say apps like Gmail are pretty > data-rich, and it runs great Unfortunately the resources required to write and maintain

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Hordur Thordarson
On 16.11.2012, at 16:30, sébastien Paturel wrote: > "I agree that the strategy should be maintain and enhance the current > framework while planning/preparing for the future." > Yes and talking about a complete rewrite has to be figured out quite early if > we want to be ready when we need. Sur

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
It was nice to hear that some of you are still creating new apps or modifying existing apps and Flash/AIR runs in enough places to satisfy you. I hadn't heard that in quite a while. My "mandate", which will be a year old in mid-December and could require updating, and doesn't have to apply to anyo

RE: How to prepare Apache Flex 5 to run in the new AVM in Flashplayer 12?

2012-11-16 Thread FRANKLIN GARZON
Of course, compile without depend on Air, will be great, also open new big doors like Windows Phone or BlackBerry (not playbook), developing with the same code for that platforms, wowww. Not is the same HTM5 and Native App, I thing the Native APPs never will dead. Adobe Air 5 will have the abil

Re: [VOTE] Alex Harui for PMC Chair of Apache Flex

2012-11-16 Thread jude
+1 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Miguel Martín-Forero Ruiz < miguel.mar...@cycle-it.com> wrote: > +1 > >

Re: How to prepare Apache Flex 5 to run in the new AVM in Flashplayer 12?

2012-11-16 Thread sébastien Paturel
i think we agree on this. actually, my first definition don't describe which platforms it should targets. but yes flex definition includes the ability to target multple platforms. And this goal will be greatly achived if it targets as much playforms as possible. But definition of flex should no

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Ben Dalton
I am not entirely familiar either and I didn't mean to imply that I have any strong complaints with the way Haxe does things. I did read some forum posts about about others making a slew of suggestions regarding the way it's implemented and the product of the compilation for JS. Since I haven't inv

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Justin, a new flex 5 from scratch concept would not be trying to be compatible backwards. If the task of write a new Flex is huge...make it backwards compatible will be totaly utopic IMHO. So as my last line in my propossal says...we should try to start with something like an experiment, to sha

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Hordur Thordarson wrote: > Well, I got the feeling that some users on this list were advocating a > total rewrite asap rather than maintaining and improving the current > codebase. A new Flex framework, built in Haxe or some other language than > AS3/MXML is a to

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread sébastien Paturel
if i get it well, we'r not talking about converting the framework to haxe, but to rewrite the framework from scratch on haxe. and using the same (or almost) flex API. It seems so far that trying to port an existing flex to HTML5 whether it is with flex on haxe, or any other choice, will be quite

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread sébastien Paturel
"I agree that the strategy should be maintain and enhance the current framework while planning/preparing for the future." Yes and talking about a complete rewrite has to be figured out quite early if we want to be ready when we need. "usable solution to that problem so I can easily deploy to an

Re: How to prepare Apache Flex 5 to run in the new AVM in Flashplayer 12?

2012-11-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
> > "so you're not actually describing something that is under Apache Flex > control" > it would be the case if in fact i put Adobe runtimes in my definition of > flex, which i don't. > > The thread has gotten too long with responses that are even longer for me to get everything straight. It sound

Re: [FALCON] Problem with \uFEFF chararcters in mustella files

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 1:58 AM, "Cyrill Zadra" wrote: > I may have found the problem. It looks like there are files where the > BOM isn't at the beginning of a file and thats the case where falcon > can run into problems. Hah! The magic of PERL scripts that replace headers. OK, we will need to clean t

Re: [MENTORS] Are we ready to vote on graduation?

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 2:08 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Alex Harui wrote: >> ...Is it ok to start the vote on graduation?... > > From the steps listed at > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html I see three things > missing: > > 1) Update th

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Some months ago my thoughts was very different, but right now that a full > rewrite is required, my opinion is clear about what to choose, and for > something new, I choose Haxe. Can you outline what would be require to convert the existing Flex framework for use with Haxe? MXML (and bindi

Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/16/12 4:15 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > It looks like I won't spend more time on Flex. Feel free to remove me. IMO, you earned your way in, and even if you can't be active in the near future, who knows what a more distant future will hold. Committer-hood, once earned, does not expire

Re: How to prepare Apache Flex 5 to run in the new AVM in Flashplayer 12?

2012-11-16 Thread sébastien Paturel
I don't see a problem here. Its a fact that flex USE Adobe runtimes to target as much platforms as it can. Its because of history of flex. and because until recent time, it was a very efficient tool to achieve that. If FalconJS was a fully usable solution, it would run on something else then Ad

Re: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Hordur Thordarson
Well, I got the feeling that some users on this list were advocating a total rewrite asap rather than maintaining and improving the current codebase. A new Flex framework, built in Haxe or some other language than AS3/MXML is a totally new framework that will have no support for the current cod

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
So I'm not that intimately familiar with how it compiles to JS, can you elaborate on your concern here? Also, why do you say haxe is obscure? It is entirely open source, what's obscure about that? -omar On Friday, November 16, 2012, Ben Dalton wrote: > Not to add fuel to the fire, but is choosi

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Ben Dalton
Not to add fuel to the fire, but is choosing another platform like Haxe as a core dependency of our project really a good idea? I like Haxe as a concept, but I'm not 100% sold on the way they implement the multiple compile targets (especially JS/HTML) AND am certainly concerned that the future of

Re: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Carlos Rovira
> But bad news - in this situation i think guys from Adobe doesn't help us with new compiler. This should not be the motivation to go one way or another. Adobe's position is already shared and know: They want only gamming. They throw flex away. Tools, AVMs and languages are updated and designed on

[jira] [Resolved] (FLEX-33263) FocusOut in datagrid causes RTE if target.parent is null

2012-11-16 Thread Carol Frampton (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33263?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Carol Frampton resolved FLEX-33263. --- Resolution: Fixed Fix Version/s: Apache Flex Next Author: cframpton Date: Fri Nov 16 1

[RESULT][VOTE] Alex Harui for PMC Chair of Apache Flex

2012-11-16 Thread Carol Frampton
Result: 37 +1 (binding 19, non-binding 18) Binding (19 +1): Bertrand Delacretaz Carol Frampton Dave Fisher Erik de Bruin Espen Skogen Gordon Smith Greg Reddin Jeffrey Houser Jonathan Campos Jun Heider Justin McAllen Michael Labriola Michael Schmalle Nicholas Kwiatkowski Omar Gonzalez OmPrakash M

Re: How to prepare Apache Flex 5 to run in the new AVM in Flashplayer 12?

2012-11-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
The problem with your definition, Sébastien, is that you target all of those platforms via AIR, so you're not actually describing something that is under Apache Flex control. Flex just happens to be able to take advantage of that runtime to target different platforms. Using haxe as a language woul

[jira] [Assigned] (FLEX-33263) FocusOut in datagrid causes RTE if target.parent is null

2012-11-16 Thread Carol Frampton (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33263?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Carol Frampton reassigned FLEX-33263: - Assignee: Carol Frampton > FocusOut in datagrid causes RTE if target.parent is null >

[jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33134) New Apache Flex website

2012-11-16 Thread Erik de Bruin (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33134?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13498843#comment-13498843 ] Erik de Bruin commented on FLEX-33134: -- This is so cool! I have distilled the followi

Re: How to prepare Apache Flex 5 to run in the new AVM in Flashplayer 12?

2012-11-16 Thread sébastien Paturel
Why you say its too generic? Maybe the "many platforms" is too generic, and i could precise Desktop, browsers, tablets and smartphones? What other framework/language can achieve that today? then you can find some Flex competitors which don't do the job with same easiness and succes. Bottomline

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