Re: Anyone run into this error while trying to build the Flex SDK?

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
Maybe delete the entire frameworks dir then resync? On 10/19/12 10:43 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > Hi, > >> Hmm. SVN shows that the XXX-config.xml files are in the frameworks >> directory > > Yep very it's odd I can see them here: > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex/sdk/branche

Re: Anyone run into this error while trying to build the Flex SDK?

2012-10-19 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Hmm. SVN shows that the XXX-config.xml files are in the frameworks > directory Yep very it's odd I can see them here: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex/sdk/branches/develop/frameworks/ But a sync with same I'm up to date with revision 1400354 but missing the files. Thanks,

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 5:17 PM, "Stefan Horochovec" wrote: > Alex > > What AIR version you are running? 3.4 -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui

Re: Anyone run into this error while trying to build the Flex SDK?

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
Hmm. SVN shows that the XXX-config.xml files are in the frameworks directory, which for you should be /Users/justimclean/Documents/Adobe Flash Builder 4.6/Apache Flex SDK/frameworks. You sure they are not there? Also, my copy of build.xml in ide/flashbuilder has the fix up of air-config.xml on l

Anyone run into this error while trying to build the Flex SDK?

2012-10-19 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Anyone run into this error while trying to build the Flex SDK? create-config-files: [copy] Copying 1 file to /Users/justinmclean/Documents/Adobe Flash Builder 4.6/Apache Flex SDK/ide/flashbuilder/config expand-config-tokens: [echo] expanding {airHome} and {playerglobalHome} tokens

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Hans | dotdotcommadot
Hi guys, I did some testing on the installer as well before I was going to vote, and after following Christophe Herreman's opinion, I decided to +1 on this as well, although I think there are a few important (but non-blocking) issues (if this previous one in this topic isn't blocking of course)

[jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33224) Translations for supported languages in the installer

2012-10-19 Thread Hans Van den Keybus (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13480604#comment-13480604 ] Hans Van den Keybus commented on FLEX-33224: I am From Belgium and I speak/wri

[jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33226) Convert sdk project compile targets to include flex-config format xml

2012-10-19 Thread JIRA
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33226?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13480565#comment-13480565 ] José María Balsas Falaguera commented on FLEX-33226: Executing 'egrep

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Stefan Horochovec
Well You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AlmwX75RqM Stefan Horochovec 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec > Alex > > What AIR version you are running? > > > Stefan Horochovec > > > > > 2012/10/19 Alex Harui > >> Changing vote to -1 bec

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Stefan Horochovec
Alex What AIR version you are running? Stefan Horochovec 2012/10/19 Alex Harui > Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue. > > > On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > > I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these points: > > > > 1) Why would doing a point re

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue. On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these points: > > 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more > involvement? > 2) Why do we think we will get two oth

Re: [MENTOR] Need IPMC/Mentor votes for RC7 to be released

2012-10-19 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 10/19/12 3:38 PM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: > >> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Alex Harui wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/19/12 11:54 AM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: >>> (3) Long email chains debating various points that appear to r

Re: To AS4 or not

2012-10-19 Thread aYo ~
Jeez, here we go again - uncertainty part 2 On 20 Oct 2012 00:15, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > > > On 10/19/12 3:55 PM, "charles.monte...@gmail.com" > wrote: > > > > > This now getting troubling if people are representing things correctly. Are > > all current flex based mobile apps doomed ? > > When

Locale issue in InstallApacheFlex

2012-10-19 Thread Om
> > Anyway, before you spend a lot of time verifying RC7, please read the > [DISCUSS] thread. I'm increasingly concerned that we have a major issue. > > Om, I ran the installer in the debugger so I could hack in a change to the > default locale. For some reason, the StringTools(LocaleID.DEFAULT)

Re: To AS4 or not

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 3:55 PM, "charles.monte...@gmail.com" wrote: > This now getting troubling if people are representing things correctly. Are > all current flex based mobile apps doomed ? When is AS4 due? Do we know for > sure when the new vm's will cut out support for As 3 which is required for

Re: [MENTOR] Need IPMC/Mentor votes for RC7 to be released

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 3:38 PM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 10/19/12 11:54 AM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: >> >>> (3) Long email chains debating various points that appear to require Mentor >>> attention. And I don't mean the RC7 vote thread. O

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime

2012-10-19 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:00 AM, sébastien Paturel wrote: > What is your source omar? > Its so important for flex to know that... > If flex won't work on any new mobile device because Adobe AIR only support > AS4, it is a survival matter IMO. > > Le 19/10/2012 18:26, Omar Gonzalez a écrit : > >>

Re: Is Apache model killing this project?

2012-10-19 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Friday, October 19, 2012, Greg Reddin wrote: > > > How much progress do we have to continue to make in order to appease your > > worries? > > Sorry, I'm not the one with worries. This thread started with someone > suggesting that the Apache model was inhibiting progress for this > project. I don

Re: To AS4 or not

2012-10-19 Thread charles.monte...@gmail.com
This now getting troubling if people are representing things correctly. Are all current flex based mobile apps doomed ? When is AS4 due? Do we know for sure when the new vm's will cut out support for As 3 which is required for flex support? Should I be coding in pure AS ? Sent from my Virgin

Re: [MENTOR] Need IPMC/Mentor votes for RC7 to be released

2012-10-19 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 19, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 10/19/12 11:54 AM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: > >> (3) Long email chains debating various points that appear to require Mentor >> attention. And I don't mean the RC7 vote thread. Once you get this correct >> then future discussions will be

RE: To AS4 or not

2012-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
> So the only way to make flex run on the new VM is to rewrite the SDK code, > and with no easy way to do so? Yes, I think so, but you'd have to rewrite it even if the new VM ran AS3 because the new VM doesn't have DisplayObject or Event! > Do you know if the next AIR runtime will only work for

Re: To AS4 or not

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
So the only way to make flex run on the new VM is to rewrite the SDK code, and with no easy way to do so? Do you know if the next AIR runtime will only work for AS4? Le 19/10/2012 23:53, Gordon Smith a écrit : I think this would be difficult as the new VM is not designed to run AS3. - Gordon

RE: To AS4 or not

2012-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
I think this would be difficult as the new VM is not designed to run AS3. - Gordon -Original Message- From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:50 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: To AS4 or not and using Falcon to compile A

Re: To AS4 or not

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
and using Falcon to compile AS3 to generate new VM bytecode? is it more realistic to achieve? Le 19/10/2012 20:54, Gordon Smith a écrit : Gordon, Adobe AS4 compiler won't be open sourced but would it be possible to adapt Falcon to target the new VM? Yes, it would be possible. Falcon/ASC 2.0 wa

Re: [DISCUSS] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 10:59 AM, "Om" wrote: > As I said, I am not able to reproduce this issue on RC7 and it seems like > even Alex cannot. I don't deny that this is a bug or that the patch will > fix it. But there is not enough reason to invalidate this release > candidate which has overwhelming supp

Re: [MENTOR] Need IPMC/Mentor votes for RC7 to be released

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 11:54 AM, "Dave Fisher" wrote: > (3) Long email chains debating various points that appear to require Mentor > attention. And I don't mean the RC7 vote thread. Once you get this correct > then future discussions will be more about technical merits (maybe this one is > already there

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 11:47 AM, "Gordon Smith" wrote: > I've seen the final spec. It should be easier to transcode AS4 to other > languages, compared with AS3. OK, I'll believe it when I see it. I know that it has less dynamic stuff so that will make it easier, but I've been hearing some other stuff th

Re: Is Apache model killing this project?

2012-10-19 Thread Greg Reddin
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > I disagree entirely. No progress has stopped during this "transitional > phase". People are still committing to SVN. People are using an updated > branching strategy. And we are still actively trying to find a person > proficient in Python t

[jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33110) Building the SDK with Java 7

2012-10-19 Thread Carol Frampton (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33110?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13480336#comment-13480336 ] Carol Frampton commented on FLEX-33110: --- I'm working on moving this patch into the c

[jira] [Assigned] (FLEX-33110) Building the SDK with Java 7

2012-10-19 Thread Carol Frampton (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33110?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Carol Frampton reassigned FLEX-33110: - Assignee: Carol Frampton > Building the SDK with Java 7 > ---

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
jvmarg is a JVM option for Ant tasks, not a compc option. You would need to keep as a child tag of the tag. The bundles.properties file is right there in the project directory next to the config file, so you don't even need a relative path. As for ${FLEX_HOME}, I think in a config file this

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
> is there a reliable way of telling if the resulting swc is exactly the same > as the old one? The old compiler wasn't good at exactly-reproducible SWF compilation. (For example, I doubt that the constants in the constant pool were in the same order each time.) And SWCs have time stamps in the

[jira] [Created] (FLEX-33226) Convert sdk project compile targets to include flex-config format xml

2012-10-19 Thread Michael Schmalle (JIRA)
Michael Schmalle created FLEX-33226: --- Summary: Convert sdk project compile targets to include flex-config format xml Key: FLEX-33226 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33226 Project: Ap

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Michael Schmalle
I did manage to do a prototype conversion this morning of the frameworks compile target. There are a couple things I am uncertain about, -| resource-bundle-list="${basedir}/bundles.properties" -| -| output="${FLEX_HOME}/frameworks/libs/framework.swc" Tokens in flex-config are just {token} ri

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Chema Balsas
Hi Mike, I've dealt with the differences between compc and config files several times in my day to day work... now I wish I'd written them down... :D I think I could find some time to try and help with this. Have you already identified which builds need to be updated? We could compile a list of t

RE: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
> Gordon, Adobe AS4 compiler won't be open sourced but would it be possible to > adapt Falcon to target the new VM? Yes, it would be possible. Falcon/ASC 2.0 was the starting point for Adobe's development of an AS4 compiler. But it's been many developer-years of work for us and it isn't trivial

Re: [MENTOR] Need IPMC/Mentor votes for RC7 to be released

2012-10-19 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Om wrote: > Mentors, > > As you have seen in the vote thread, we need 2 IPMC votes for the RC7 to be > released. We have plenty of +1 votes and I think that this is good enough > for a release. Can you please vote +1 or -1 as soon as possible so that we > can do w

RE: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
I've seen the final spec. It should be easier to transcode AS4 to other languages, compared with AS3. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:56 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC

Re: [DISCUSS] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Om
As I said, I am not able to reproduce this issue on RC7 and it seems like even Alex cannot. I don't deny that this is a bug or that the patch will fix it. But there is not enough reason to invalidate this release candidate which has overwhelming support in the community for a release. Thanks, Om

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 10:52 AM, "João Fernandes" wrote: > Alex, couldn't we simply use AS4 and have multiple target platforms ? Sure, but I think it will be a lot of work, for little gain. I'm waiting for the final AS4 spec. It might be harder to transcode it to other languages than AS3. -- Alex Har

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread João Fernandes
Alex, couldn't we simply use AS4 and have multiple target platforms ? Gordon, Adobe AS4 compiler won't be open sourced but would it be possible to adapt Falcon to target the new VM?

Re: [DISCUSS] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 10:39 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" wrote: > Alex > > I explained these questions in the first email. I did the previous tests on > a computer with en_US locale, everything worked perfectly. OK, I didn't retain everything from the thread. > > Yesterday I was checking the translations t

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-19 Thread superabe superabe
So next FP will have current VM and new VM? Is AIR also going to ship with these 2 VMs? And what does this mean for AIR apps compiled to native code. - superabe On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > The new VM Adobe is developing is for both Flash Player and AIR. > > - Gordon

Re: [DISCUSS] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Stefan Horochovec
Alex I explained these questions in the first email. I did the previous tests on a computer with en_US locale, everything worked perfectly. Yesterday I was checking the translations that were not ok, and make the tests running the installer with the locale pt_BR. The installer detects my default

Re: [DISCUSS] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 10:07 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" wrote: > Alex > > You are running the Installer in your mac using Portuguese translation. In > the first screen, you see the texts in portuguese. > > After you select the directory for install the SDK, you go to screen about > the Licences. In this mom

Re: [DISCUSS] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Stefan Horochovec
Alex You are running the Installer in your mac using Portuguese translation. In the first screen, you see the texts in portuguese. After you select the directory for install the SDK, you go to screen about the Licences. In this moment, I dont see any option in left side. [1] If you change the la

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
The new VM Adobe is developing is for both Flash Player and AIR. - Gordon -Original Message- From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:10 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon Hi Thibault, Does this VM change

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
What is your source omar? Its so important for flex to know that... If flex won't work on any new mobile device because Adobe AIR only support AS4, it is a survival matter IMO. Le 19/10/2012 18:26, Omar Gonzalez a écrit : On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Charles Monteiro wrote: "but accordin

Re: Spring-BlazeDS and Swiz-Framework forks in github

2012-10-19 Thread dude
Just wanted to *Thank You* for your work and for sharing this. The timing is just perfect, we're currently looking into upgrading to hibernate 4.1. Cheers Am 15.10.2012 12:19, schrieb Carlos Rovira: > Hi, > > I think it would be worth to share here two forked projects in github > that are almos

Re: [DISCUSS] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 9:40 AM, "Om" wrote: > We have potential fix but that is not tested. We don't know how many new > issues that the fix would introduce. Feel free to post the patch and/or tell us more about it. Does it make sense that I could have seen this problem intermittently in English? I j

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Om
We have potential fix but that is not tested. We don't know how many new issues that the fix would introduce. Any time you add code, there is potential for new bugs be introduced. I don't want to take that risk now. Thanks, Om On Oct 19, 2012 9:21 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > > > On 10/19/12 8

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Charles Monteiro wrote: > "but according to its new strategic shift it will be with the new gaming > runtime only! " > > Do we know this to be true ? > > Yes. -omar

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 8:35 AM, "sébastien Paturel" wrote: > Questions are: > - Do we have a clear view of what tie the Flex SDK to the Adobe's > runtime, and need to be handled for a multi target strategy? in the > rendering layer but also everything else? > If we identify clearly what are the difficu

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Carol Frampton
On 10/19/12 11 :57AM, "Om" wrote: >It is not about 7 RCs. The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going >to promote it to an actual release. > >Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s. As a release manager, I >think this is good enough for a release. True you got 20 votes but how ma

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 8:57 AM, "Om" wrote: > It is not about 7 RCs. The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going > to promote it to an actual release. > > Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s. As a release manager, I > think this is good enough for a release. If 20 people vote +1, you ha

Re: Is Apache model killing this project?

2012-10-19 Thread Omar Gonzalez
> Now, to your actual point about Git, etc. It's worth noting that all > the mentors cautioned against that move precisely because it would be > difficult and time-consuming to get it implemented. Our fear was that > it would further stall the progress of the project because we'd be > focusing on S

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Carol Frampton
On 10/19/12 12 :11PM, "Mikhail Vorobyov" wrote: >Why don't you want to set AIR 3.4 and playerglobal11_4.swc for downloading >but only 3.1 and 11.1? Neither of those are officially supported with Apache Flex 4.8. They may work but we haven't tested them yet. Apache Flex 4.8 was a parity relea

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread Jarosław Szczepankiewicz
I'm now using JSF implementation Primefaces. It internally uses JQuery UI and JQuery Theme Roller. I think both frameworks are probably more low level than ExtJS & Sencha and may be better candidates for renderer layer in js. http://jqueryui.com/ http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/ Both of these fra

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Mikhail Vorobyov
Why don't you want to set AIR 3.4 and playerglobal11_4.swc for downloading but only 3.1 and 11.1? 2012/10/19 Om > It is not about 7 RCs. The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going > to promote it to an actual release. > > Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s. As a release manage

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 8:30 AM, "Alain Ekambi" wrote: > > The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to > target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework. > Agreed. And maybe an API layer over Dart will work, but I doubt full Sencha will be in the picture. ExtJS?

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Om
It is not about 7 RCs. The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going to promote it to an actual release. Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s. As a release manager, I think this is good enough for a release. The issue is not blocker since there is an obvious workaround. And there a

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
On 10/19/12 5:10 AM, "sébastien Paturel" wrote: > The question is what amount of work does it require to port from AS3 to > AS4 ? Significant. AS4 has made no promise to be backward compatible with AS3. > It does not seems that the difference is as big as between AS2 and AS3 > right? I think

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Gordon Smith
I don't think Adobe has publicly disclosed details about AS4 yet, so I'll just say that there are significant changes from AS3. However, porting Flex would probably involve more work in adapting to the new runtime APIs than in adapting to the new language. Also, the AS4 compiler will not be ope

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
I'd like to complete my thoughts: Flex is a framework, not a runtime, not a language (except for MXML maybe). The strenght of flex is the features, the architecture, the components, etc. So i see 3 area of work to ensure a bright future for flex as a multi target SDK. 1- the modularity of the

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread Alain Ekambi
I m not a fan of JS. But what would be the benefit ? Acceptance. You have more JS devs out there then ActionScript ones. You target JS devs you target millions and millions of Devs. Look at Node.js success Even the java folks understood that the more language target the JVM the better for the p

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Harui
I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these points: 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more involvement? 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they review the dev-list and see this issue? 3) Why do we think we will get

Re: Is Apache model killing this project?

2012-10-19 Thread Greg Reddin
I apologize if my points below are invalidated by other responses. I haven't had time to read the whole thread. At any rate... On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Carlos Rovira wrote: > The actual model in Apache is very old and is proving to be a failure > in actual days. The fact that we don't hav

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
No thats my thoughts, not facts ! But it would be quite logical. I'm waiting for the answer about AIR and Flash player Next in a previous mail. Le 19/10/2012 16:20, Charles Monteiro a écrit : "but according to its new strategic shift it will be with the new gaming runtime only! " Do we know

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
But they never will :) This project must not expect anything new from Adobe except what it does already, except for very simple things for wich we can have a try. Le 19/10/2012 16:34, jun wu a écrit : It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache. On 19 October 2012 2

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread jun wu
It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache. On 19 October 2012 22:29, jun wu wrote: > But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give > a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as. > > On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec > wrote

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread jun wu
But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as. On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec wrote: > Hello > > I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with > a proprietary tool like Sencha.

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread Charles Monteiro
"but according to its new strategic shift it will be with the new gaming runtime only! " Do we know this to be true ? On Oct 19, 2012 8:59 AM, "sébastien Paturel" wrote: > Thanks Gordon for asking about the nature of Flex. > Flex is a RIA sdk and not a gaming SDK, ok thats quite obvious. > > Bu

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread Stefan Horochovec
Hello I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with a proprietary tool like Sencha. Stefan Horochovec 2012/10/19 jun wu > Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha > Touch? > If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes i

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread jun wu
Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha Touch? If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash builder and public them as as/flex apps. And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code line by line. On 19 October 2012 21:49

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread superabe superabe
It seems obvious to me. For Flex to remain meaningful and relevant to me going forward it should retain all its good parts (MXML, UI Components and libs) and be able to target as many devices as possible. In my mind that means targeting: 1. First priority target ASNext and the new AVM, by reworkin

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
"rewriting a Flex-like framework" easy to say but hard to do. And its irrelevant in the Flex mailing list. We discuss what Flex should become, not what should be done to replace it. You should ask, "has someone considered transcoding flex to Dart?" Le 19/10/2012 14:49, João Saleiro a écrit : I

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ? "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world." Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there. "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it" There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript, that's not a p

[jira] [Updated] (FLEX-33225) Old versions of AIR ADK and playerglobal.swc

2012-10-19 Thread Mike V. (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33225?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Mike V. updated FLEX-33225: --- Description: Installer application downloads old versions of AIR ADK and playerglobal.swc (was: Installer ap

[jira] [Created] (FLEX-33225) Old versions of AIR ADK and playerglobal.swc

2012-10-19 Thread Mike V. (JIRA)
Mike V. created FLEX-33225: -- Summary: Old versions of AIR ADK and playerglobal.swc Key: FLEX-33225 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33225 Project: Apache Flex Issue Type: Improvement

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread Alain Ekambi
Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do ActionScript to target Flash ! People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything that compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write applications for the Flash platform. The Flash player is not the

What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
Thanks Gordon for asking about the nature of Flex. Flex is a RIA sdk and not a gaming SDK, ok thats quite obvious. But flex must be multiscreen ! and if flex don't run on all screen it has no future! What has put Flex in a difficult position last month is the fact that HTML5 could not be target

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Stefan Horochovec
Hello everybody, The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last email, that information may be contained on the page to access the Installer. I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where h

Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

2012-10-19 Thread João Saleiro
I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a Flex-like framework on top of Dart? John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI controls among other interesting stuff. Take a look at

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
The question is what amount of work does it require to port from AS3 to AS4 ? It does not seems that the difference is as big as between AS2 and AS3 right? I don't understand, what you mean in fact. Is the work required is about to target stage3D by using starling2D as a rendering layer? or is

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-19 Thread sébastien Paturel
Hi Thibault, Does this VM change will also be applied to next AIR runtime? Le 19/10/2012 01:31, Thibault Imbert a écrit : Hi Mike, Just to clarify. I am not saying Flex developers should bet on Feathers/Starling to be the next Flex. I was just giving examples of how a very lightweight Flex cou

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Christophe Herreman < christophe.herre...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's current > state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get this > released, but there are currently clearly some bigger i

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Christophe Herreman
OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release often and early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right. Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess. +1 (binding) regards, Christophe 2012/10/19 Om > This issue will be fixed in the next re

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Om
This issue will be fixed in the next release. I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a release till we get everything perfect. We will never release anything if we wait to fix every issue that we discover. This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security imp

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Carlos Rovira
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_early,_release_often ;) 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez : > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Christophe Herreman < > christophe.herre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's current >> state? I know there is a lot

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Christophe Herreman
Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's current state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get this released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with the proposed RC in terms of translations. IMO it's better to delay the release until the

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Carlos Rovira
Yes...please, release 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez : > Release, release, release!!! > > -omar > > On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: > >> Stefan, >> >> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's why I >> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adre

Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-19 Thread Omar Gonzalez
Release, release, release!!! -omar On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: > Stefan, > > I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's why I > push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress this and > other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into