It is not about 7 RCs. The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going to promote it to an actual release.
Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s. As a release manager, I think this is good enough for a release. The issue is not blocker since there is an obvious workaround. And there are no security implications. I would rather release now than wait for yet another arbitrary deadline (4.8.1) Thanks, Om On Oct 19, 2012 8:06 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: > I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these points: > > 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more > involvement? > 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they review > the dev-list and see this issue? > 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away with > a > follow-up point release > 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to reproduce > it. > 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache > Flex > SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now. > > To me, 7 RC's is not a lot. Sometimes, important bugs get found late in > the > game. Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC > votes > on an RC8. However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and I > don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it > isn't handling strings properly. > > > On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hello everybody, > > > > The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last > > email, that information may be contained on the page to access the > > Installer. > > > > I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same > > opinion of Christophe Herreman, it´s my opinion too. Where he said: > > > > "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to > > frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the > > users." > > > > But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being > awaited > > for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache > Flex > > SDK. > > > > Erik and Om > > > > I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations of > > languages available today, and put them separate group with all the > > messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to make > it > > easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you add > a > > new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each > > language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time. > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224 > > > > Regards > > > > Stefan Horochovec > > > > > > 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herre...@gmail.com> > > > >> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release often > and > >> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right. > >> > >> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess. > >> > >> +1 (binding) > >> > >> regards, > >> Christophe > >> > >> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> > >> > >>> This issue will be fixed in the next release. > >>> > >>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a > release > >>> till we get everything perfect. We will never release anything if we > >> wait > >>> to fix every issue that we discover. > >>> > >>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security > >>> implications. We cannot delay the release any longer especially after > so > >>> many people have voted for the release. > >>> > >>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap. We will > be > >>> making a follow up release soon. Also, we are shipping with an auto > >> update > >>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases for > >> sure. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Om > >>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" < > >>> christophe.herre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's > >> current > >>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get this > >>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with the > >>>> proposed RC in terms of translations. > >>>> > >>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues are > >>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for > >>> (perhaps > >>>> a minor part of ) the users. > >>>> > >>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to > >>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to > the > >>>> users. > >>>> > >>>> kind regards, > >>>> Christophe > >>>> > >>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> > >>>> > >>>>> Yes...please, release.... > >>>>> > >>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.develo...@gmail.com>: > >>>>>> Release, release, release!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -omar > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Stefan, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's why I > >>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress this > >>> and > >>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the source > >>> this > >>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind of > >>> 'vote > >>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another RC, I > >>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will not > >>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to do a > >>>> release. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> EdB > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec > >>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Erik > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems that > >> have > >>>>>>> language > >>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US, > >> however, > >>>>> have to > >>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer > >> for > >>>>> en_US. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to en_US, > >> the > >>>>>>>> installation dont work. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese): > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CGI. > >>>>>>>> Criando diretório do Apache Flex > >>>>>>>> Criando diretório temporário > >>>>>>>> Não foi possível criar o diretório temporário > >>>>>>>> Instalação abortada > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1 - > >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png > >>>>>>>> 2 - > >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png > >>>>>>>> 3 - > >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png > >>>>>>>> 4 - > >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may come > >>> that > >>>>>>> affect > >>>>>>>> a large number of people. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Stefan, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll look > >> into > >>>> your > >>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove valid > >> and > >>>>>>>>> useful. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of true > >>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this first > >>>>>>>>> release? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> EdB > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec > >>>>>>>>> <stefan.horocho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> -1 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but > >> when I > >>>>>>> changed > >>>>>>>>> my > >>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the > >> translations, > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>> result > >>>>>>>>>> was not good. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted, > >> just > >>> no > >>>>>>> option > >>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the selected > >>>>> language. > >>>>>>> Ex: > >>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default language. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch > >> (which > >>> if > >>>>>>>>> accepted) > >>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default > >>> language > >>>> of > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language, so > >>> when > >>>>>>> getting > >>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some not > >>>>> translated. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer is > >>>> launched > >>>>>>> on an > >>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the same is > >>>>> detected > >>>>>>> by > >>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation into > >>>> English. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosma...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here. > >> After > >>>>> that I > >>>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>> Om > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton < > >>>>> cfram...@adobe.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Carlos Rovira > >>>>> Director de Tecnología > >>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 > >>>>> F: +34 912 35 57 77 > >>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com > >>>>> http://www.directwriter.es > >>>>> http://www.avant2.es > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Christophe Herreman > >>>> http://www.herrodius.com > >>>> http://www.springactionscript.org > >>>> http://www.as3commons.org > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Christophe Herreman > >> http://www.herrodius.com > >> http://www.springactionscript.org > >> http://www.as3commons.org > >> > > -- > Alex Harui > Flex SDK Team > Adobe Systems, Inc. > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui > >
