Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, With a tag on the framework directory we can easily checkout the trunk before any changes that are made to it. We don't actually even need a tag a svn checkout -revision 1290843 will get the framework as it was initially donated by Adobe. If we did create a tag it would only be use to creat

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 2/22/12 7:58 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > >> Well, My assumption is because the size of the SVN dumps > > I wouldn't expect the framework code that's already in SVN to be > reimported in > > the same way again. Other Ad

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > However, I think you can branch what's there, make your changes in trunk and > we can cut the parity release from the branch. I'm not an SVN expert, but I > think we can control what revisions get integrated into the parity branch. I think you mean tag which is a named snapshot of an SVN r

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Pierangelo Mancusi
+1 of course Il giorno 22 febbraio 2012 11:03, Dimitri k. ha scritto: > After the discussion on the ML about the Design View, I thought it would > be a good idea to ask Deepa at the Flex Paris meeting if Adobe could > consider to open-source it after the removal from next version of Flash > B

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/22/12 7:58 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > Hi, > >> Well, My assumption is because the size of the SVN dumps > I wouldn't expect the framework code that's already in SVN to be reimported in > the same way again. Other Adobe donations would be a large import but there no > issues there. > >

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-22 Thread Avinash Narayanan
This is brilliant!! I am not good in designing but if any running around work needs to be done, let me know. Thanks Avinash Y On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > I mean designs (photoshop/illustrator/gimp/**scribbles/css/etc.) and > concepts (swfs/code/text/anything real

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
I mean designs (photoshop/illustrator/gimp/scribbles/css/etc.) and concepts (swfs/code/text/anything really) for user interfaces that utilize the power of flash and flex. Flex default styles look pretty rusty compared to Android and co. and new designs start with ideas, right? yours Martin. O

Re: [IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-22 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
I'm in, but what do you mean?   Ariel Jakobovits Email: arielj...@yahoo.com Phone: 650-690-2213 Fax: 650-641-0031 Cell: 650-823-8699 From: Martin Heidegger To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: [IDEAS] Flex: New u

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
I like what Cortlandt is saying here. While I don't disregard a new compiler or outputting HTML as worthy goals, they seem like long term goals to me. And while Adobe is focusing Flash Player on gaming, I don't see how that will negatively affect Flex since we already have the features we need t

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Well, My assumption is because the size of the SVN dumps I wouldn't expect the framework code that's already in SVN to be reimported in the same way again. Other Adobe donations would be a large import but there no issues there. Hopefully Carol (or someone else) can confirm that changes t

[IDEAS] Flex: New user interface design

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
Hello List, I think we need new ideas for user interface designs created with Flex. New compared to the efforts in the Android/iOS community but also just spectacular ones. What do you think? yours Martin.

[RT] haxe reality check

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
Hello List, Thinking about it a little I think its good to clear up the mind about haXe. So I want to summarize the things about it haXe... * ... contains a very fast and good avm2 bytecode compiler (that does things Falcon will do in future - today). * ... has established and tested a

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Cortlandt Winters
Hi Jeffrey, If anything is more frustrating than the Me 2's to expanding and improving existing features it's the constant whining and noise about what adobe could have done or isn't willing to do, or speculation about totally throwing away the baby with the bathwate0,r or core framework features

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Wednesday, February 22, 2012, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > I actually don't know the impact I just wanted to relay Carol's message, > Understand. I'm fairly sure the locale changes would have no impact. The > changes to the framework_build.xml may have an impact but as I said if > they do

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I actually don't know the impact I just wanted to relay Carol's message, Understand. I'm fairly sure the locale changes would have no impact. The changes to the framework_build.xml may have an impact but as I said if they do they can be reverted and I'll then reapply the patch to the new

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Wednesday, February 22, 2012, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Carol did request that we didn't check any patches into trunk until she > > gets the rest of the framework in, I'm not sure how the locales affect or > > don't affect that request. > > I had assumed it was only changes to the build.

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Why wouldn't you revise the build scripts to compile various resource bundle > SWCs for these locales? I have provided a patch to revise the build files but Adobe is still working on changes that may impact that patch. The build files can be edited by hand to compile for a different loca

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Carol did request that we didn't check any patches into trunk until she > gets the rest of the framework in, I'm not sure how the locales affect or > don't affect that request. I had assumed it was only changes to the build.xml files, but perhaps I misread? I fairly confident that checki

RE: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Gordon Smith
Why wouldn't you revise the build scripts to compile various resource bundle SWCs for these locales? - Gordon Smith, Adobe -Original Message- From: Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:22 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [LAZ

Re: [LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > We have en_AU and en_GB locale pataches waiting to applied here: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-16 > > Only the resource files would be checked in and there would be no changes > to build scripts or any framework code. >

[LAZY] Commit en_AU and en_GB locales to SVN

2012-02-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, We have en_AU and en_GB locale pataches waiting to applied here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-16 Only the resource files would be checked in and there would be no changes to build scripts or any framework code. Further improvements such as looking into using CLDR can be looked

Re: When will be the wiki up and running?

2012-02-22 Thread Doug Arthur
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Neil Robbins wrote: > name: Neil Robbins > email: nrobb...@lexialearning.com > > Thanks, > >  - Neil You have been added. Use your powers wisely. :) - Doug

Re: Early access to Falcon compiler

2012-02-22 Thread Doug Arthur
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 2/22/12 11:34 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > >> As a developer I know that when being stuck, sometimes a clear mind >> helps. I basically just >> wanted to offer my help and was suggesting that I wasn't the only one. > And I really ap

Re: Early access to Falcon compiler

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/22/12 11:34 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > As a developer I know that when being stuck, sometimes a clear mind > helps. I basically just > wanted to offer my help and was suggesting that I wasn't the only one. And I really appreciate your energy and contributions. And you are not the on

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - don't listen to Steve!

2012-02-22 Thread Left Right
Linux users are usually happier with less bells and whistles then their peers on other platforms. Probably because the platform itself provides much more tools, so there's no real need to add even more on top of it. You say it's difficult to get program with complex GUI to run both under KDE and G

[jira] [Commented] (FLEX-14) Flex SDK 4.6 dosn't work on FlashPlayer 10.3 and requires FlashPlayer 11.1

2012-02-22 Thread Justin Mclean (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-14?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13214016#comment-13214016 ] Justin Mclean commented on FLEX-14: --- Would you be OK with the changes to build_framework.xm

RE: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>> *) e4x: Its such a pleasure to use in AS3. >We have haxe.xml.Fast API which is maybe not as much powerful as E4X but still >very convenient for quick XML parsing. It should be possible to write a quite >complete E4X equivalent with haXe macros. >Keep in mind also that XML is being replaced i

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Greg Reddin
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Nicolas Cannasse wrote: > Yes, let's do it slowly : the first year only line numbers multiples of 4 > will have mandatory semicolons, then the next year only odds lines and then > finally in three years every line. > > This way users can adapt their habits little b

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Brent Arnold
Nice. How about a compiler option that's on by default, but can be turned off for those compiling legacy content. So get folks into the habit of using semicolons for new content, and still be able to update legacy content as they see fit. Brent On 2/22/12 1:11 PM, Nicolas Cannasse wrote:

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
Le 22/02/2012 19:31, Martin Heidegger a écrit : Thanks for explaining that, Gordon. I guess everybody wonders why the compiler doesn't make use of those opcodes in the the other syntax. yours Martin. For the record, haXe compiler does. It's 4 times faster and uses less bytes. There are actual

Re: [gosh] Compiler choice [was Goshhawk language choices and more]

2012-02-22 Thread Left Right
Carol, think of any number between 1 and 100, and I will find that number of public or protected properties or methods that have not been documented, and, instead were using @private ASDoc comment. Ideally, that might have been as you describe it, but in practice it was very far from that. (I only

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
Le 22/02/2012 19:20, Greg Reddin a écrit : On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:53 AM, David Arno wrote: If Dimitri's great efforts to try and get us early access to the Falcon compiler fail and we instead carry on with trying to develop our Goshawk compiler, I'd like to make a change to the AS3 language

[WIKI] Getting Started page updated (was Re: [LAZY] Re: DECISION message tag is confusing IMO)

2012-02-22 Thread Jun Heider
On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:51 AM, Jun Heider wrote: > > I agree with Bertrand. I propose we remove the [DECISION] marker in favor of > having a [LAZY] marker to handle lazy consensus: > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus > > Main reason, is ability to skim the ML when you're

Re: Flash Player 11.2 to be only available on Chrome?

2012-02-22 Thread Michel Boudreau
Ah gotcha, now I see it. Thanks for that clarification :) M On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: > I'm not from Adobe, but I can say that according to that doc, on the Linux > platform, Flash Player will only be available using the new PEIPR API, > which at this time is

Re: Flash Player 11.2 to be only available on Chrome?

2012-02-22 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I'm not from Adobe, but I can say that according to that doc, on the Linux platform, Flash Player will only be available using the new PEIPR API, which at this time is only exposed by Chrome. This will not affect Mac or Windows based Flash Player deployments. -Nick On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:39 P

Re: Flash Player 11.2 to be only available on Chrome?

2012-02-22 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Michel Boudreau wrote: > I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. Can someone from Adobe please > comment on it? > Stop FUD fast. Only on Linux. -- Jonathan Campos

Flash Player 11.2 to be only available on Chrome?

2012-02-22 Thread Michel Boudreau
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. Can someone from Adobe please comment on it? Thanks, -- Michel Boudreau "If at first you don't succeed, use a bigger hammer." - Unofficial motto o

Re: Early access to Falcon compiler

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 04:19, Alex Harui wrote: Falcon is simply being developed as closed source in the interest of time. In fact, Gordon Smith is on the Falcon team and is monitoring the Apache Flex mailing list, but they are working on AS3. The MXML compiler code they wrote earlier is still in there, b

Re: [jira] [Commented] (FLEX-14) Flex SDK 4.6 dosn't work on FlashPlayer 10.3 and requires FlashPlayer 11.1

2012-02-22 Thread Jun Heider
On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Carol Frampton (Commented) (JIRA) wrote: > >[ > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-14?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13213668#comment-13213668 > ] > > Carol Frampton commented on FLEX-14: > -

Re: Early access to Falcon compiler

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/22/12 11:09 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > I mean: > Somehow it seems like there is no question to them on the path where the > Apache community could help. Aside from that: If you want to develop a > compiler for Gaming you should drop all "enterprise" features like mxml > or binding f

Re: [gosh] On the sad tale of BNF and optional semicolons

2012-02-22 Thread Roland Zwaga
> > > I seem to remember reading somewhere that Falcon uses a grammar based > approach as well to parsing AS3. I'm wondering how they're pulling it off > then... > > Falcon currently uses an ANTLR 2 grammar to parse ActionScript. We've been > improving the grammar that was previously used for code

Re: Early access to Falcon compiler

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/22/12 1:53 AM, "David Arno" wrote: > However, they could still provide > access to it as you describe before then. I think there is a difference between opening up the source under an Adobe license and an Apache license. The Flex code we just got into Apache this week was available on th

Re: Early access to Falcon compiler

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 03:54, Alex Harui wrote: Adobe employees involved in Apache Flex are discussing things on the Apache Flex mailing list. I guess that is common knowledge. I am saying that Adobe employees that are involved in the AS3/MXML compiler writing should be too. I mean: Somehow it seems l

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Robert Cesaric
On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Left Right wrote: > I honestly believe that a concept of 3 different nulls (null, undefined and > false) in ECMAScript is... well, just yet another thing ECMAScript did > wrong. By reducing it to 2 nulls HaXe did it some justice, but I'd still be > happier with only

RE: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Gordon Smith
I'll try to make it happen in Falcon. - Gordon Smith, Falcon team, Adobe -Original Message- From: Martin Heidegger [mailto:m...@leichtgewicht.at] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:31 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Flex adopting haXe ? Thanks for explaining that,

Re: Flash player for Gaming and Video

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/22/12 3:04 AM, "n.x.j...@accenture.com" wrote: > In the technical roadmap we saw that Flash player will focus on Gaming and > premium Video support. > > What about Enterprise development support? Do we continue Enterprise dev. in > Flex > Adobe will not be focusing on Enterprise develop

Re: Early access to Falcon compiler

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/22/12 4:16 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > On 22/02/2012 18:29, Dimitri k. wrote: >> At the Paris Flex meeting, I spoke with Thibault Imbert, who is Senior >> Runtimes product manager , about the fact that the Apache Flex project would >> really benefit from having some kind of early acce

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 03:29, Alex Harui wrote: On 2/22/12 7:18 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: Also another thing is that if(a == null) is slower than if(a) at least compiled with mxmlc. Did you try if(a === null) IIRC, there are lots of things going on when you use "==". I created the test [1] a

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
Thanks for explaining that, Gordon. I guess everybody wonders why the compiler doesn't make use of those opcodes in the the other syntax. yours Martin. On 23/02/2012 03:25, Gordon Smith wrote: Flash Player has special newarray and newobject bytecodes that are used for array literals like [ 1

Re: Flash player for Gaming and Video

2012-02-22 Thread Michel Boudreau
Flex is still an enterprise level tools. What they mean by the whitepaper is that Flex will not be part of the technical decisions for the Flash Player in the future. It doesn't mean that Flex won't work (that's our job), it just means that Flash Player won't add features just because Flex could

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/22/12 7:18 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > > Also another thing is that > > if(a == null) is slower than if(a) at least compiled with mxmlc. Did you try if(a === null) IIRC, there are lots of things going on when you use "==". -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http:

RE: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Gordon Smith
Flash Player has special newarray and newobject bytecodes that are used for array literals like [ 1, 2, 3 ] and object literals like { a: 1, b: 2, c: 3 } and are faster than a generic constructor call. That's why the coding guidelines for Flex recommend using the literal syntax rather than new A

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Greg Reddin
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:53 AM, David Arno wrote: > > If Dimitri's great efforts to try and get us early access to the Falcon > compiler fail and we instead carry on with trying to develop our Goshawk > compiler, I'd like to make a change to the AS3 language spec by making > semicolons at the end

RE: [gosh] Compiler choice [was Goshhawk language choices and more]

2012-02-22 Thread Gordon Smith
> At Adobe, every single Flex public property, method and class had to be > approved by the architectual review board which oversees the Flash API. This is also true of 'protected' ones. - Gordon Smith, Adobe (member of the Platform Architectural Review Board) -Original Message- From:

Re: [OT] Flash Platform roadmap

2012-02-22 Thread Jason Gardner
I echo your sentiments, Left Right! Being able to develop Flex applications on Linux is extremely important to me, and I'm happy to assist to that end in any way that I can.

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 03:11, Charles Monteiro wrote: I could care less, but I'm just wondering what this buys us ? i.e. and if it doesn't buy us much why would you add discrepancies vis a vis AS3 ? It has been described at the start: the optional semicolons are not describable using BNF. BNF is a lan

RE: [gosh] On the sad tale of BNF and optional semicolons

2012-02-22 Thread Gordon Smith
> I seem to remember reading somewhere that Falcon uses a grammar based > approach as well to parsing AS3. I'm wondering how they're pulling it off > then... Falcon currently uses an ANTLR 2 grammar to parse ActionScript. We've been improving the grammar that was previously used for code intel

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Charles Monteiro
I could care less, but I'm just wondering what this buys us ? i.e. and if it doesn't buy us much why would you add discrepancies vis a vis AS3 ? On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > > > > > > If we went through with writing our own compiler I would cheer making > semicolons ma

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 02:01, Nicolas Cannasse wrote: Le 22/02/2012 17:56, Martin Heidegger a écrit : in haXe case, "this" is always the object in which the local function function has been declared, not the one on which the event listener is added. Did you see my example code? I am not sure how to na

Re: When will be the wiki up and running?

2012-02-22 Thread Neil Robbins
name: Neil Robbins email: nrobb...@lexialearning.com Thanks, - Neil On 2/22/12 5:21 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: >State your username here(in the mailinglist) with request for wiki >access and it (most likely) will be granted. > >yours >Martin. >

RE: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - don't listen to Steve!

2012-02-22 Thread Timothy Jones
Companies that base development decisions on *_current_* market share is what is short-sighted and only reinforces the status quo. That's no better than the dark ages of webdevs coding for IE4 at 800x600 resolution. tlj -Original Message- From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski [mailto:nicho...@

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Omar Gonzalez
> > > If we went through with writing our own compiler I would cheer making semicolons mandatory. -- Omar Gonzalez s9tpep...@apache.org Apache Flex PPMC Member

Re: Changed the wiki to reflect the status of the imported code

2012-02-22 Thread Omar Gonzalez
> > > Kill it! :) -- Omar Gonzalez s9tpep...@apache.org Apache Flex PPMC Member

Re: [gosh] Compiler choice [was Goshhawk language choices and more]

2012-02-22 Thread Carol Frampton
> > > >> In my experience, the mx_internal namespace was used often for the >> purposes such as to cover the weak points in design. I think that the >> problem of not documenting things could've been solved by @private At Adobe, every single Flex public property, method and class had to be approve

Re: [OT] Flash Platform roadmap

2012-02-22 Thread Left Right
As an avid Ubuntu user (obviously, desktop Linux), few clarifications on how Adobe runtimes worked, until recently, at least: - player plugin - There was a flash-player-nonfree in the Debian (and Ubuntu) PPAs, that one would normally install if using Firefox, Opera, Seamonkey or any similar browse

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
Le 22/02/2012 17:56, Martin Heidegger a écrit : in haXe case, "this" is always the object in which the local function function has been declared, not the one on which the event listener is added. Did you see my example code? I am not sure how to name that particular difference. In ActionScrip

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Dimitri k.
- Original Message - From: "Jeffry Houser" This is a high traffic mailing list; so I get frustrated with the occasional barrage of "me too/+1" non-vote-thread posts which add nothing to any discussion. I question how many of the people who want this are willing to put time and effo

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 00:48, Nicolas Cannasse wrote: Well, speaking of the niceties of haXe, we have --dead-code-elimination now that will only include in the output the methods/fields actually used by the application. That is treating the symptom not the problem. The dead-code-elimination (like unus

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 2/22/2012 11:41 AM, Dimitri k. wrote: From: "Jeffry Houser" I don't think any number of +1s will convince Adobe either way. Honestly, I personally could care less about design view. It made sense when Adobe wanted to make Flex the "new Visual Basic" and accessible to anyone. I'm not

RE: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - don't listen to Steve!

2012-02-22 Thread Timothy Jones
Thanks for the tip.. I hadn't heard of IntelliJ. -Original Message- From: Conrad Winchester [mailto:con...@chiwestern.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:49 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - don't listen

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Dimitri k.
From: "Jeffry Houser" I don't think any number of +1s will convince Adobe either way. Honestly, I personally could care less about design view. It made sense when Adobe wanted to make Flex the "new Visual Basic" and accessible to anyone. I'm not sure if I would put effort to try to fulfi

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Carlos Rovira
+1 2012/2/22 Nicolas Cannasse > Le 22/02/2012 13:53, David Arno a écrit : > >> As I suspect there are many here not following the [gosh] threads, I'm >> repeating a question from yesterday to a wider audience. Apologies in >> advance if you do read those threads and just didn't care enough to >>

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread JP Bader
My personal workflow wouldn't change if we had it, but I agree that it is a useful piece of FB (especially for newer devs) and if we could have it, then that would be terrific! +1 JP On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > >  I don't think any number of +1s will convince Adobe e

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
Le 22/02/2012 15:33, ganaraj p r a écrit : Thanks Nicolas, I was the one who mentioned you in a post and wanted your inputs on "How we could go about porting Flex to Haxe?".. I assumed that since you built Haxe ( duh! ) and that since Haxe is inspired by AS3, you would be able to provide some de

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
Le 22/02/2012 13:53, David Arno a écrit : As I suspect there are many here not following the [gosh] threads, I'm repeating a question from yesterday to a wider audience. Apologies in advance if you do read those threads and just didn't care enough to comment yesterday ;) If Dimitri's great effor

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
Le 22/02/2012 13:09, Carlos Rovira a écrit : [...] Now haXe has evolved great and Apache Flex could go the haXe way to be a real open source framework that does not depend only in Adobe's runtime. The problems behind : This way is hard, but feasible, and take into account that principal actors u

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
Le 22/02/2012 15:30, Martin Heidegger a écrit : The point of the functions-files is that you don't create huge code dependencies: Say you create a dependency to StringTools.endsWith() then the compiler better compiles all functions of StringTools into the swf so it can be loaded properly. In AS3:

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Left Right
I honestly believe that a concept of 3 different nulls (null, undefined and false) in ECMAScript is... well, just yet another thing ECMAScript did wrong. By reducing it to 2 nulls HaXe did it some justice, but I'd still be happier with only one :P And, you are really arguing on unimportant issues

Re: When will be the wiki up and running?

2012-02-22 Thread Doug Arthur
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Saurabh Seth wrote: > Username : Saurabh > Email : saurabh.s...@bdisys.com I've added you to the wiki.

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jeffry Houser
I don't think any number of +1s will convince Adobe either way. Honestly, I personally could care less about design view. It made sense when Adobe wanted to make Flex the "new Visual Basic" and accessible to anyone. I'm not sure if I would put effort to try to fulfill that role, though.

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
I did performance tests ... but these things change very often. My understanding is that there is no casting going on. It is just a test if the "memory" at x is filled or not. However at a==null it tries to verify if statement a is same as statement b putting each in a memory. yours Martin. O

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Roland Zwaga
> > > From: Martin Heidegger [mailto:m...@leichtgewicht.at] > > Sent: 22 February 2012 15:18 > > Also another thing is that > > > > if(a == null) is slower than if(a) at least compiled with mxmlc. > Is it really? I didn't know that. > > Writing code that enables a cast + comparison to happen q

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Charles Monteiro
+1 its essential for RAD , Design View is key to prototyping , getting things up and running, source view is for tweaking and polishing, both are essential in any modern RAD environment + 1000 really On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Iuri Pereira wrote: > +1 > > Iuri > > > 2012/2/22 Arturo Alv

RE: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread David Arno
> From: Martin Heidegger [mailto:m...@leichtgewicht.at] > Sent: 22 February 2012 15:18 > Also another thing is that > > if(a == null) is slower than if(a) at least compiled with mxmlc. Is it really? I didn't know that. Writing code that enables a cast + comparison to happen quicker than a di

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Iuri Pereira
+1 Iuri 2012/2/22 Arturo Alvarado > > > Another +1, it's good for quick wireframes and getting started > > > Right, Design View is very important to learn the Flex components > behaviours. > > > +1 > > > Bruce Lane > > +1 Also > > Arturo Alvarado > >

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 23/02/2012 00:13, David Arno wrote: read into coding with haXe... The problem with your examples Martin is that you have the resultant code equivalent slightly wrong unfortunately and this slight difference can be the cause of problems. The correct version is: var a: String= ...; ret

RE: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread David Arno
> From: Martin Heidegger [mailto:m...@leichtgewicht.at] > Sent: 22 February 2012 14:55 > I just remembered another thing that makes me a little mad every time I read into coding with haXe... The problem with your examples Martin is that you have the resultant code equivalent slightly wrong unfort

Re: Changed the wiki to reflect the status of the imported code

2012-02-22 Thread Carol Frampton
I think whiteboard/frameworks should be deleted. I had thought of that on Saturday when the trunk code went in but somehow I forgot about it on my few days away :) I will delete it today to avoid confusion. Carol On 2/21/12 9 :14AM, "almansour belleh blanco" wrote: >By the way, I made the di

RE: When will be the wiki up and running?

2012-02-22 Thread Saurabh Seth
Username : Saurabh Email : saurabh.s...@bdisys.com Thanks & Regards, Saurabh Seth Team Lead BDI Systems | www.bdisys.com 'A Business Data Intelligence Company' M: +91-99496-53530 -Original Message- From: Martin Heidegger [mailto:m...@leichtgewicht.at] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Arturo Alvarado
> Another +1, it's good for quick wireframes and getting started > > Right, Design View is very important to learn the Flex components > > behaviours. > > +1 > > Bruce Lane +1 Also Arturo Alvarado

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Heidegger
I just remembered another thing that makes me a little mad every time I read into coding with haXe: var a: String= ...; return a || "b"; // equals return a != null ? a : "b"; is so incredibly comfortable in ActionScript3. And it can be 100% syntatically right. And the ||= is even more

[jira] [Commented] (FLEX-14) Flex SDK 4.6 dosn't work on FlashPlayer 10.3 and requires FlashPlayer 11.1

2012-02-22 Thread Carol Frampton (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-14?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13213668#comment-13213668 ] Carol Frampton commented on FLEX-14: Please don't commit these changes until we finish ge

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jack Freudenheim
+1 On 2/22/12 9:38 AM, Eugene Diana wrote: +1 on keeping DV alive -Original Message- From: Jason Batten [mailto:i...@jasonbatten.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:18 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Eugene Diana
+1 on keeping DV alive -Original Message- From: Jason Batten [mailto:i...@jasonbatten.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:18 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest Another +1, it's good for

Re: Flex adopting haXe ?

2012-02-22 Thread ganaraj p r
Thanks Nicolas, I was the one who mentioned you in a post and wanted your inputs on "How we could go about porting Flex to Haxe?".. I assumed that since you built Haxe ( duh! ) and that since Haxe is inspired by AS3, you would be able to provide some deep insights into the migration of Flex to Hax

Re: Would anyone care if we ditched support for semicolons being optional?

2012-02-22 Thread Haykel BEN JEMIA
+1 I handle it as mandatory and always add missing semicolons when I work on code written by others. Haykel

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Glenn Williams
Sorry the formatting of my post seems to have gone. Hope it's still kind of readable -Original Message- From: Glenn Williams [mailto:i...@tinylion.co.uk] Sent: 22 February 2012 14:14 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Jack Ring
+1 for design view. On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Pepe wrote: > +1 for Design View > > 2012/2/22 Dimitri k. : >> After the discussion on the ML about the Design View, I thought it would be >> a good idea to ask Deepa at the Flex Paris meeting if Adobe could consider >> to open-source it after th

RE: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Glenn Williams
I think the point the 'experienced user' don’t use DV is only true because DV was and is basically broken. I would have used it if: When I clicked into DV it actually did display what that part of my project looked like When I clicked into DV I didn’t just get a 'broken image' and a list of reaso

Re: Adobe might think of open-sourcing the Design View if there is sufficient interest

2012-02-22 Thread Pepe
+1 for Design View 2012/2/22 Dimitri k. : > After the discussion on the ML about the Design View, I thought it would be > a good idea to ask Deepa at the Flex Paris meeting if Adobe could consider > to open-source it after the removal from next version of Flash Builder. > Frédéric Thomas, also on

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