Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-25 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
The $7500 EV tax credit might be saved, but only for California residents. > California is prepared to offer state tax rebates for electric vehicle > purchases if the incoming Trump administration scuttles the federal EV > tax credit, according to Gov. Gavin Newsom. > > "We will intervene if the

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-21 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 20 Nov 2024 at 11:08, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > when ICE cars get cheaper (no need for expensive emissions controls) and > gas (drill baby drill) gets even cheaper, who will buy EVs? Interesting, but IMO it would be surprising if ICEVs got cheaper. The big automakers have been purging afforda

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 20 Nov 2024 at 10:52, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > I'm not so sure Elon cares about Tesla as much as he does > SpaceX Actually, I think he does care about Tesla, but not as an EV manufacturer. He says that Tesla is a robotics and AI company, not an EV company. He has to say that, because that'

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 11/20/2024 5:34 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: Also, Europeans and Chinese care more than USians about price, and Tesla still doesn't have a low cost EV. Nope, but they do have the most popular car on the planet. (Not EV, Car) CHINA: Tesla Model 3 - $32k Aion Y - $14k (600km range) BYD Se

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV
> NONE of the Legacy car makers are making a profit on their [EVs] It's going to be hard to decipher whether EVs are profitable or not for the big automakers, unless you're a CPA and willing to dig really deep into their accounting. Their public announcements are "spin doctored" to suit whatever

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 11/20/2024 2:30 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: Maybe the US automakers don't. I don't know about Ford or Stellantis, but I've read that GM is losing money on EVs. It's not clear to me how much of that loss has been offset by their profits from selling gas-guzzlers with credits from their E

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 20 Nov 2024 at 8:52, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > NONE of the Legacy car makers are making a profit on their > cars Maybe the US automakers don't. I don't know about Ford or Stellantis, but I've read that GM is losing money on EVs. It's not clear to me how much of that loss has been offs

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
The only problem with that theory, is that it may kill off other EV makers, but when ICE cars get cheaper (no need for expensive emissions controls) and gas (drill baby drill) gets even cheaper, who will buy EVs? (Assuming the Trump policies go unchecked) According to this calculator, Gas prices,

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
My take is I'm not so sure Elon cares about Tesla as much as he does SpaceX, He wants Trump in office so he can "DOGE-mantle" the EPA and FAA and any other TLA that hinders his ambitions. Yeah, Tesla will thrive without any tax credits, and this may even make Tesla's offerings more compelling. Es

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread t ray via EV
I believe it is perfectly logical for him to push for an end to the EV tax credits. The rich will soon get some big tax breaks, so they won't be hurt in any way. With the loss of tax incentives, the rest of us may buy fewer competing EVs, thus helping to kill off Tesla's competition. When Tesla

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread Kevin Horton via EV
> On Nov 20, 2024, at 12:52, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > > On 11/19/2024 4:18 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: >> Hi folks >> It isn’t logical that Musk is in favor of killing the $7500 EV tax credit >> since his company only makes EVs and his competition can just go back to >> making gassers.

Re: [EVDL] EV $7500 tax credit on the chopping block.

2024-11-20 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 11/19/2024 4:18 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: Hi folks It isn’t logical that Musk is in favor of killing the $7500 EV tax credit since his company only makes EVs and his competition can just go back to making gassers. Though, Tesla doesn't NEED the tax credit.  They still make a profit on t