bject: Re: [EVDL] J1772, NACS, and adapters
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> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 4:44 PM wrote:
> > Today, almost no homes receive 3 phase, it has to be requested by the home
> owner and he has to have a valid reason for 3 phase. There is also an upcharge
> for 3 phase installation, it also m
Steve Gaarder
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772, NACS, and adapters
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> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
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> >> The feeds to US homes are beefier than in Europe.
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> > Possibly because, at least in France and Spain, the larger your
> > capacity,
On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
The feeds to US homes are beefier than in Europe.
Possibly because, at least in France and Spain, the larger your capacity,
the higher the standing charge you pay.
Also, they had to rebuild most of their infrastructure after ww2, and
copper
On 7 Feb 2025 at 17:44, Rush via EV wrote:
> Today, almost no homes receive 3 phase, it has to be requested by the home
> owner and he has to have a valid reason for 3 phase.
Are you referring to the US? Or to what nation?
I don't know about other EU countries, but in France, 3-phase power is
There is a development nearly that has the same situation.
Reason is that it used to be a commercial area and the utility has all
distribution transformers deliver 3-phase 208V
So, to avoid that ALL distribution network must receive new 11kV to
240V single phase transformers, the developer did what
In the US, the only residences that get 3 phase are apartment buildings.
I live in such a place. Each apartment, however, just gets 2 legs of the
3 phase, so two feeds of 120, and between them 208 volts. My stove gets
208 with a 50 amp breaker. Our EVSEs are connected to 208 volts single
phase
> but ALL homes
> receive 3-phase until the meter, by default the meter was 1-phase at least
> until
> 20 years ago when I lived there.
Today, almost no homes receive 3 phase, it has to be requested by the home
owner and he has to have a valid reason for 3 phase. There is also an upch
On 7 Feb 2025 at 15:55, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Technically, the CCS2 supports 63A AC charging, delivering a whopping
> 43kW but there are few stations (Some older version Enel station is
> know for that) and fewer cars that support it.
AFAIK the only EVs that ever supported 43kW chargin
On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 4:44 PM wrote:
> Today, almost no homes receive 3 phase, it has to be requested by the home
> owner and he has to have a valid reason for 3 phase. There is also an
> upcharge for 3 phase installation, it also makes wiring the house much more
> difficult and expensive beca
Technically, the CCS2 supports 63A AC charging, delivering a whopping
43kW but there are few stations (Some older version Enel station is
know for that) and fewer cars that support it.
No home can support it because grid connections are typically 25 or 35A
On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 2:53 PM John Lussm
On 2/7/2025 2:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
In homes with single phase EV charging installed, the charging station
can either provide 16A at 230V (which is essentially a standard EU
wall outlet worth of power) or 32A.
In the US, it's common for a Tesla wall charger to be 48A @ 240v. 11.5
In homes with single phase EV charging installed, the charging station
can either provide 16A at 230V (which is essentially a standard EU
wall outlet worth of power) or 32A.
This of course gives you the same power and requires the same wiring
as a 16A or 32A single phase charging solution in the US
On 2/7/2025 2:14 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
NOTE also that the *cord* for CCS2 is lighter than any comparable US
standard cord, by virtue of the 3-phase AC power.
Which is fine for EU homes with 3-phase. US homes do NOT have 3-phase.
Is the CCS2 cord lighter than a NACS cord? if so,
NOTE also that the *cord* for CCS2 is lighter than any comparable US
standard cord, by virtue of the 3-phase AC power.
To transport 11kW, you need a 16A cord in EU. For the same power in
USA you need a 48A cord. 4 conductors for 16A are way lighter (and
cheaper and more flexible) than 2 conductors
The issue is that Tesla has the largest and most reliable DCFC network BY
FAR in the US, and they were already using NACS before CCS combo was
around. (Starting in 2012) Now that they have opened this network to other
makes, it's a veritable godsend to have plentiful, and reliable fast
charging.
I suspect that you and I are talking at cross purposes, and I doubt that
you'll give an inch.
I persist because I think that even a flawed charging connector standard is
worth having, as long as it works reasonably well, which CCS2 does, and
ensures that every EV can charge at every public c
Well, #1 is cost. NACS handles more current, has always been liquid
cooled, is more reliable, and easier to replace. There's such a HUGE
difference it's really worth changing all the EVs and having to deal with
some EVs needing adapters until change is complete. It was an SAE mistake
to standard
On 6 Feb 2025 at 19:56, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> CCS is a bulky, expensive and less efficient connector standard.
Maybe, but how much does the end user really care?
CCS2 works fine for me. I can charge anywhere without fussing with
potentially hazardous adapters.
CCS2 provides AC chargin
On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 7:58 PM (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> Don't get me started on the insane ISO15118 stack! (Sadly that part stays
> with NACS)
Yeah, you have to kind of be able to do a moon landing with a
combination of Morse code and Single Sideband plus a Home Automation
connection bus, just s
CCS is a bulky, expensive and less efficient connector standard. That's
why NACS won here in the US after a good showing for CCS1.
Don't get me started on the insane ISO15118 stack! (Sadly that part stays
with NACS)
On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 2:47 PM EV List Lackey via EV
wrote:
> None of this is
None of this is a problem in Europe. CCS2 is the legislated standard. Even
Tesla uses it. We can charge at any public charging point anywhere, no
adapters needed.
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HELP:
The scary problem here; there is zero regulation on these, and almost none
of them have been through any kind of testing! Many of these Chinese DCFC
adapters aren't even safe as many violate the mechanical interlock
requirement. You can disconnect it under full load, and that could cause a
DC arc
Dear Steve,
This is a non issue. There are adapters to go EVery which way. I have a Tesla
Tap for J1772 vehicles, and J1772 to Tesla, as well as CCS to Tesla. My Tesla
Tap was $150. J1772 for Tesla was $10. CCS to Tesla $35. The Tesla portable
EVSE is $275 from Tesla. All I need is a wall socke
You could plan to install Tesla Universal Wall Connectors as the upgrade path.
The cable has a NACS connector, but the wall unit houses a built in J1772
adapter. See the video in the media on the product page to see how it works.
https://shop.tesla.com/product/universal-wall-connector
Univers
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> > > From: "(-Phil-) via EV"
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> > From: "(-Phil-) via EV"
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 09:28
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I would avoid the Aftermarket adapters, they have a major safety issue.
Get the one made by Tesla that your manufacturer provides (Ford).
On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 5:22 AM Rod Hower via EV wrote:
> You can get this adapter for your J1772 for $179 plus tax.
> https://a2zevshop.com/products/nacs-ccs
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772, NACS, and adapters
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> I would avoid the Aftermarket adapters, they have a majo
It should also be pointed out that th original post was about J1772 and
NACS, and the adapter mentioned below is for CCS.
A J1772/NACS adapter (or the reverse) is MUCH less expensive.
I carry a J1772 to NACS in my Cybertruck, and have a NACS to J1772 on a
hook beside my charger at home for visit
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772, NACS, and adapters
I would avoid the Aftermarket adapters, they have a major safety issue.
Get the one made by Tesla that your manufacturer p
You can get this adapter for your J1772 for $179 plus
tax.https://a2zevshop.com/products/nacs-ccs1
TYPHOON PRO | NACS DC CHARGERS to CCS1 Adapter
It's very rugged and works well. My 2023 Mach E now has access to Tesla
chargers.
On Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 01:21:09 AM EST, Steve Gaard
Hi Steve,
My recommendation would be to do nothing until you see that a significant
amount of the resident cars are now NACS. Somewhere between 1/3 and half,
then upgrade half the chargers to NACS.
Wait again until the vast majority of cars is NACS, then upgrade the rest.
This also gives you a bit
I live in a community where we have shared level 2 chargers. At present,
all of our vehicles have J1772 connectors, but at some point someone will
doubtless buy a car with an NACS connection. Is it better to plan on:
1. Primarily have J1772 chargers, handling NACS cars with an adapter, or
2
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