Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-02 Thread Alan E. Davis
To be brief, the tutorials and other parts of the worg webpages could do with some updating. Org-mode has been through a good amount of evolution. One isolated example is the "remember" tutorials. These could, at the least, be marked with a paragraph inset at the top of the file: a statement t

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-01 Thread M
Hi Carsten & all, thanks for this good idea and the resulting discussion here! my 2 cents about the tutorials page: yes, I agree, that especially for absolute beginners (new to Emacs and new to org-mode) it would be helpful to have a very basic step by step tutorial. The list of "General introdu

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-01 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-10-01, o godz. 13:34:17 David Rogers napisał(a): > Suvayu Ali writes: > > > Hi Joseph, > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 09:22:02AM +0200, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote: > >> > >> Example: I am presently mainly interested to see if it is possible > >> to use gnus to write a scientific lett

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-01 Thread David Rogers
Suvayu Ali writes: > Hi Joseph, > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 09:22:02AM +0200, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote: >> >> Example: I am presently mainly interested to see if it is possible to use >> gnus to write a scientific letter with all conveniences of texlive. Of >> course I can open a tex file with

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-01 Thread William Denton
On 28 September 2013, Carsten Dominik wrote: Can we have a discussion here on how this path should look like? When you came to Org-mode as a newby, what were the three resources that really made an impression on by being accessible and providing feel and promise for digging deeper? I'm fairly

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-01 Thread Joseph Vidal-Rosset
Hi, A suggestion : it would be maybe useful , if it is not already done, to transfer this activity of the list on a forum when one could put "closed" on a topic, when a solution is done for a beginner like me. for example, sometime I find very useful help on LaTeX here: http://www.developpez.net

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-01 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-10-01, o godz. 07:34:14 Suvayu Ali napisał(a): > Hence: Org is a programmable and dynamic note taking platform. > [...] > Hence my following sentence: All its features are essentially built on > this ability: planning & task management, authoring or publishing, > literate programming, a

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-01 Thread Michael Brand
Hi Eduardo On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Eduardo Ochs wrote: > and integrating into Org the feature described there - namely: with a > certain minor mode activated `M-p' opens the current default video at > the first time offset of the current line - should be little more than > a 10-line hac

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-10-01 Thread Eric S Fraga
Joseph Vidal-Rosset writes: > Hi, > > 2013/9/28 Suvayu Ali > >> Your example is not beginner's tutorial at all! Nor is it something >> that the manual can cover. >> > > I do not understand why. Every beginner intested in org-mode is interested > for such or such application, and that's a strange

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-30 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Alan, Eric, Thomas, and others, On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 06:01:57PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Alan Schmitt writes: > > > fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: > > > >> To me the best way to describe Org is: a programmable and dynamic > >> plain-text note taking platform. > > > > I really like

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-30 Thread Eduardo Ochs
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Neilson wrote: > 1. Non-video presentations for beginners. Some of us are (for one reason > or another) badly set up to use video. Perhaps our network connection is > slow, or our system is flaky and crashes with video. Or perhaps we only > have five or ten m

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-30 Thread Peter Neilson
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:01:57 -0400, Eric S Fraga wrote: but I'm sure somebody else will think something is missing I'll admit that I've only dabbled in org mode thus far, but here's what I see as lacking in the tutorial documentation: 1. Non-video presentations for beginners. Some of us a

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-30 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Aloha Suvayu, I like this, too, except that I miss the capabilities of the export framework. How about?: a programmable and dynamic plain-text note taking platform and markup language All the best, Tom Suvayu Ali writes: > Hi, > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 07:29:26PM -0500, John Hendy wrote:

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-30 Thread Eric S Fraga
Alan Schmitt writes: > fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: > >> To me the best way to describe Org is: a programmable and dynamic >> plain-text note taking platform. > > I really like this description. Short, and to the point. but it's missing what for me is the key point which got me into org:

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-30 Thread Alan Schmitt
fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: > To me the best way to describe Org is: a programmable and dynamic > plain-text note taking platform. I really like this description. Short, and to the point. Alan

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-30 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Matt Price writes: > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Eric Abrahamsen > wrote: >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> today I looked at our tutorial page at >>> >>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html >>> >>> and came away with the feeling that that this page has be

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-29 Thread Rustom Mody
Some years ago I had sent a mail on this subject (Feb 6 2009). I fished it out and was editing it (below) and then see that Eric Abrahamsen has said most what I wanted to say. Anyways Ive kept the subject list below and want to add only this much: People come to org for different reasons/needs/i

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-29 Thread Matt Price
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> today I looked at our tutorial page at >> >> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html >> >> and came away with the feeling that that this page has become >> somewhat useless for peopl

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-29 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Carsten Dominik writes: > Hi everyone, > > today I looked at our tutorial page at > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html > > and came away with the feeling that that this page has become > somewhat useless for people who are really new to Org. I think > the page should start with a

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-29 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi, On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 07:29:26PM -0500, John Hendy wrote: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: > > > > In this vein, I think it would be useful to have a brief statement about > > Org-mode that gives the interested reader from any background a good > > feel for the scope

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread John Hendy
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: > Aloha John, Marcin, and Charles, > > Yes, I completely agree with you. Apologies if my remarks were taken to > be exclusionary in any way. They weren't intended to be. The diversity > of the Org-mode community is one of its great strengths. >

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Aloha John, Marcin, and Charles, Yes, I completely agree with you. Apologies if my remarks were taken to be exclusionary in any way. They weren't intended to be. The diversity of the Org-mode community is one of its great strengths. My comments were intended to be ideas on how we might introduc

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Charles Millar
On 9/28/2013 5:52 PM, John Hendy wrote: On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 16:50:09 Charles Millar napisał(a): On 9/28/2013 3:52 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Aloha Carsten, snip First, I think that most statements about "what Org-mode is" are ou

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread John Hendy
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 16:50:09 > Charles Millar napisał(a): > >> On 9/28/2013 3:52 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: >> > Aloha Carsten, >> > >> snip >> > First, I think that most statements about "what Org-mode is" are >> > outdated. Many of t

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 16:50:09 Charles Millar napisał(a): > On 9/28/2013 3:52 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: > > Aloha Carsten, > > > snip > > First, I think that most statements about "what Org-mode is" are > > outdated. Many of them are quite good, but they represent the > > previous state of an e

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Charles Millar
On 9/28/2013 3:52 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Aloha Carsten, snip First, I think that most statements about "what Org-mode is" are outdated. Many of them are quite good, but they represent the previous state of an evolving system and so fail to capture the full scope. To my mind, Org-mode is a "r

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Aloha Carsten, Carsten Dominik writes: > Hi everyone, > > today I looked at our tutorial page at > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html > > and came away with the feeling that that this page has become > somewhat useless for people who are really new to Org. I think > the page sho

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: > Hi everyone, > > today I looked at our tutorial page at > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html > > and came away with the feeling that that this page has become > somewhat useless for people who are really new to Org. I think > the page should st

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 28.9.2013, at 19:43, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 18:14:11 > Ian Barton napisał(a): > >> On 28/09/13 07:11, Carsten Dominik wrote: >> >>> >>> Can we have a discussion here on how this path should look like? >>> When you came to Org-mode as a newby, what were the thre

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 18:14:11 Ian Barton napisał(a): > On 28/09/13 07:11, Carsten Dominik wrote: > > > > > Can we have a discussion here on how this path should look like? > > When you came to Org-mode as a newby, what were the three resources > > that really made an impression on by being a

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013/9/28 Suvayu Ali > I'm sure you have noticed it > by now, the Org community is one of the most welcoming and friendly out > there. > Indeed it is ! > > Good luck following up on Eric's suggestions with regards to your > particular request. If you do get it working, I would encourage you

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Ian Barton
On 28/09/13 07:11, Carsten Dominik wrote: Can we have a discussion here on how this path should look like? When you came to Org-mode as a newby, what were the three resources that really made an impression on by being accessible and providing feel and promise for digging deeper? - Carsten I

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 28.9.2013, at 16:26, Charles Millar wrote: > Hi Carsten, > > On 9/28/2013 2:11 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> today I looked at our tutorial page at >> >> >> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html >> >> >> and came away with the feeling that that this page ha

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Joseph, On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 01:59:28PM +0200, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote: > Hi, > > 2013/9/28 Suvayu Ali > > > Your example is not beginner's tutorial at all! Nor is it something > > that the manual can cover. > > > > I do not understand why. Every beginner intested in org-mode is inter

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Charles Millar
Hi Carsten, On 9/28/2013 2:11 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: Hi everyone, today I looked at our tutorial page at http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html and came away with the feeling that that this page has become somewhat useless for people who are really new to Org. - I disagree. Your

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2013/9/28 Eric Schulte > There is a need to balance between spending time spent documenting and > spending time developing (fixing bugs and adding features etc...). More > documentation and more examples in the documentation would be welcome, > but given the time constraints of Org-mode develope

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Eric Schulte
Joseph Vidal-Rosset writes: > Hi, > > 2013/9/28 Suvayu Ali > >> Your example is not beginner's tutorial at all! Nor is it something >> that the manual can cover. >> > > I do not understand why. Every beginner intested in org-mode is interested > for such or such application, and that's a strang

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Joseph Vidal-Rosset
Hi, 2013/9/28 Suvayu Ali > Your example is not beginner's tutorial at all! Nor is it something > that the manual can cover. > I do not understand why. Every beginner intested in org-mode is interested for such or such application, and that's a strange reply to make to a beginner like me to rep

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Joseph, On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 09:22:02AM +0200, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote: > > Example: I am presently mainly interested to see if it is possible to use > gnus to write a scientific letter with all conveniences of texlive. Of > course I can open a tex file with letter class and send to my co

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 28.9.2013, at 10:48, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 08:11:23 > Carsten Dominik napisał(a): > >> Hi everyone, >> >> today I looked at our tutorial page at >> >> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html >> >> and came away with the feeling that that this page ha

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 08:11:23 Carsten Dominik napisał(a): > Hi everyone, > > today I looked at our tutorial page at > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/index.html > > and came away with the feeling that that this page has become > somewhat useless for people who are really new to Org

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-09-28, o godz. 09:22:02 Joseph Vidal-Rosset napisał(a): > Hi Dominik, hi everyone, > > Thank you for org-mode and thanks to all who contribute to this > project. > > I am a newby to org-mode , I am an emacs user for LaTeX, mainly, and I > would be happy to use more and more emacs, so

Re: [O] Org Tutorials need more structure

2013-09-28 Thread Joseph Vidal-Rosset
Hi Dominik, hi everyone, Thank you for org-mode and thanks to all who contribute to this project. I am a newby to org-mode , I am an emacs user for LaTeX, mainly, and I would be happy to use more and more emacs, so org-mode seems very attractive. I imagine that writing a tutorial is a big work a