Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
> A lightweight browser would be welcome. Does anyone have a practical > way to migrate bookmarks from Chrome or Chromium to such a lightweight > browser? qupzilla can import chromium bookmarks. i'm sure other actively maintained browsers have the same capability. - Gravis

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
think > the effort of eventually tweaking firefox or chrome (i said > eventually) is worth it at this moment. why do you want to "tweak" browsers when you dont have to? - Gravis On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 6:11 PM, T.J. Duchene

Re: [Dng] with pax flags, Java works fine - (was Hardened Devuan)

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
n performant programs and since it obfuscates, you will find it in malware. - Gravis On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 08:21:42AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: >> > Just to clarify... *Java will run* with a grsecurity hardened kernel, >

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-06 Thread Gravis
to the clips as "proof" that google was evil. - Gravis On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Peter Olson wrote: >> On March 5, 2015 at 11:26 PM Gravis wrote: > >> the link you posted links to a clip from Al Jazeera that was taken >> down due to copyright infringement. y

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
are defending. you gave me links to some posts and i do not know what those are supposed to signify. > For now let's try and discuss just these two of my queries. make a new topic if you have a question. - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:59 PM, wrote: > This is textual represe

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
> I was derided and attacked earlier in Debian Fora why am i not surprised? -_- - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:44 PM, wrote: > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:41:52PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: >> **Looks around** >> >> Full moon tonight? > > Well, I don't

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
as a matter of fact, it is! http://www.moongiant.com/Full_Moon_New_Moon_Calendar.php the good news is that friday the 13th wont coincide with a full moon for another 34 years. turns out, the last one was this past June. - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Martijn Dekkers wrote

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
at offender and thus correctly deemed untrustworthy. your other comments pointing to forum posts are nebulous in meaning. - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation. > > But since this is my first message to this list, her

Re: [Dng] apt repository?

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
e the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 94532124541922FB that's all. --Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Luke Diamand wrote: > Hi! > > I'm trying to switch over my system to use the devuan packages (amd64 for > now, armv7 if I get keen). What do I need to do to

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
Nik, please remove yourself from the mailing list. --Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 schrieb Gravis: >> > Here is just one example of what I am referring to. >> > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
> This way it would be much easier to count which > release it is, and it would serve as an indication that devuan has > already it's own personality, and isn't only a debian's copy. that is a poor rationale for breaking a logical naming scheme. --Gravis On Thu, Mar

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
ens of thousands of distros, so expecting a software vendor to make a backported package for $MY_FAV_DISTRO is narcissistic at best. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, John Morris wrote: > On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 21:09 -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: >> > Besides issues related to Chro

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
ot child pornography from. you wrote "considering their ties to government agencies" and the FBI is a government agency. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Ed Ender wrote: > Here is just one example of what I am referring to. > > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
> So, basically we will be using mithology for names. 1) spelling 2) basically, just series of letters but one might call that an oversimplification. they are the names of minor planets. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Ricardo Larrañaga wrote: > So, basically we will be

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
orting child pornography to the FBI as legally required by law? --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Ed Ender wrote: > Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I > have no real say in the matter. > That IMO would be a security breach, considering the

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
ation. check it out: http://www.qupzilla.com --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Anto wrote: > Hello Everybody, > > I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use the > re-branded Mozilla products. > > As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
anings of minor planet names: 1–500 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meanings_of_minor_planet_names:_1%E2%80%93500> --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Robert Storey wrote: > Just want to say that I really like this idea of naming releases after > minor planets, such as Ceres. I

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
y need to leave them to their devices. in the mean time, building our safe haven, devuan is a much better use of our time than fighting in their forums. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Tom Collins wrote: > I was reading the debian-user mailing list some time ago and one of th

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
important to maintain perspective because when you lose it, you become just another irrational fool. --Gravis On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Anto wrote: > On 04/03/15 04:49, Gravis wrote: >> >> from: http://php.net/manual/en/install.fpm.php >> FPM (FastCGI Process Manager

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before

2015-03-04 Thread Gravis
wall and you might as well put in a nice window too. :) --Gravis On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Franco Lanza wrote: > On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:19:06AM -0300, hellekin wrote: >> ## Editorial >> >> It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop th

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-03 Thread Gravis
it was enabled because "everybody is using systemd, so why not?" and i expect it will happen even more in the future. --Gravis On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Anto wrote: > Hello Everybody, > > I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just now. &

Re: [Dng] V^DNLC starts to be subsumed by systemd

2015-03-03 Thread Gravis
ter about that? you sound like a lot like a troll. --Gravis On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Tom Collins wrote: > Yes, that is what I mean (Video Lan Client) > It also phones home these days by default: > http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/downloading-and-installing-vlc-media-player-i

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-02 Thread Gravis
consider grouping your emails as "conversations" as it is a wonderful option for organizing mailing list threads. instructions to enable on yahoo mail: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/conversations-feature-enabled-disabled-sln15805.html --Gravis On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Go Linux wr

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-02 Thread Gravis
ailing around of code written in Python, Perl or Ruby :)" you said you didn't see the code failing, i explained why you didn't see it and that it is happening. --Gravis On 03/02/2015 08:13 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 07:01:24AM -0500, Gravis wrote: &

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-02 Thread Gravis
number of GC languages, it would still be an issue. while it /can/ be used properly, garbage collection is more of a hassle than it's worth. --Gravis On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:26 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 02:59:40AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > [cut] > >

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
> Having [perl and python] doesn't cost much, IMO. this is true however, you only need a single deep-seeded flaw to exploit an entire system when it comes to scripting. for further reading, see bash. --Gravis On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > On Sun, Mar 01, 20

Re: [Dng] Can't hit Internet from Valentines

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
now we're tech support? remove "-net nic -net user" (works for me) --Gravis On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I installed Valentines according to instructions, a few weeks ago. It > worked, but I don't remember whether I tested g

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
POSIX base to build upon. the LSB is a bad joke. --Gravis On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 11:49 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 18:11 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> >> With all respect, T.J., those are merely programming languages--shell, C >> and C++ are als

Re: [Dng] What if systemd infects the kernel?

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
mong other services) is automatically marking your emails as spam since they are claimed to have been sent _by_ yahoo's server but yahoo's server is denying it. either you are not using yahoo's server to actually send your emails or the mailing list server is misconfigured. --Gravi

Re: [Dng] three important UI features

2015-02-28 Thread Gravis
removing would simply result in replacing it with another and thus a (mostly) moot point. --Gravis On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:34:37 -0500 > Jude Nelson wrote: > > > > I don't know. Given the entire NetworkManager'

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-27 Thread Gravis
trying to look different for the sake of looking different is stupid. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Go Linux wrote: > >> And why penguins? I think in terms of non-conformity, the platypus > >> makes muc

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

2015-02-27 Thread Gravis
frankly, i find the "badges" to be a petty jab at other distros that is more of a distraction than anything else. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:30 PM, hellekin wrote: > On 02/27/15 16:21, Ста Деюс wrote: > > > > Awesome! As it is the planet-wide project,

Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XI

2015-02-27 Thread Gravis
coming from the person that has the initials for "shut the hell up" as their signature. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Ста Деюс wrote: > В Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:39:10 + > Noel Torres пишет: > > > I do not find it swear nor violent. I find way more violent to

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-27 Thread Gravis
the first two things happen if there is any hope of the third happening. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:13 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 01:56:56PM +, Matthew Melton wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > Just to support my point, Debian has

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Gravis
> http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/penguins/trio.png ha! it just needs words like "Linux: Strut your stuff" [?] --Gravis On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Go Linux wrote: > On Thu, 2/26/15, Linuxito wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds > To: "Anto&quo

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Gravis
er. there is a bit more to cgroups than that but there is no reason another init manager can't perform the same task without becoming The Blob. --Gravis On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > [Sorry Gravis, I could find no shorter way to say this] > > > On Wed

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-24 Thread Gravis
oh good. glad to read that our linux kernel friends are more sane than our distro friends. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:40:06AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Gravis wrote: >

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-23 Thread Gravis
ha! jude it's perfect. if there was ever a Master Control Program, it would be systemd. ;) --Gravis On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: > If we're going to make allusions to media, my suggestion comes from TRON: > "Devuan fights for the Users" &g

Re: [Dng] UEFI secure boot not secure

2015-02-22 Thread Gravis
BIOS. As recent news has shown, we also need to start writing new firmware for our hard drives. Since so many things have shown to be insecure, the question has becomes if it's worth reverse engineering proprietary systems versus engineering a libre systems from the ground up. --Gravis On Su

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-20 Thread Gravis
it and decided to make their own. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: > Nevertheless, RPC had already been solved in a general way by SunRPC > (ONCRPC) before either GNOME or KDE existed. Heck, the earliest versions > predate Linux. > > Given the combine

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-20 Thread Gravis
> > CDE (common desktop environment) > Not familiar with that. Is it related to Inferno? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment now what is "Inferno"? --Gravis On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36:20

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-20 Thread Gravis
Also, D-Bus is written in the fashion that matches how the GTK API which is a C API. libdbus has lots of language wrappers. D-Bus is more for RPC than IPC which is an issue as there is no standard in POSIX for RPC. --Gravis On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 20

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Gravis
massive scope of the software they are distributing. tl;dr: Quality Control is very very very important. --Gravis On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:36 AM, hal wrote: > Hello all, and great work on the Alpha! I am tagging this off-topic as it > doesn't really pertain to Devuan development except i

Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0

2015-02-18 Thread Gravis
Luke, I removed the edit because it was completely out of place. It was a list of links and you added a huge line of text to a single entry. without-systemd.org is not directly linked to Devuan, so dont hold it against the project. - Gravis On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson

Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

2015-02-17 Thread Gravis
> A document that makes installation and use trivial, and makes it > simple, is worth its weight in gold. the instructions dont actually weigh anything so saying it's worth it's weight in gold is saying they aren't worth anything. ;) --Gravis On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-16 Thread Gravis
ting with > pulseaudio) where applications check at *runtime* if libsystemd0 is > available, rather than hard-code the functionality directly in. be sure you keep a record or your conversation, i could use a good laugh. -Gravis On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM, KatolaZ wrote: >

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Gravis
> Should we understand it's based on POSIX permissions and not on ad hoc daemon? yes. however, there is currently a problem with flooding the system with hundreds of new users and groups. i'm investigating the possibility of using extended file attributes. --Gravis On Mon, Feb 1

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Gravis
st have to apply them properly. - Gravis On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Hi folks. > > Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm > anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who is > onboard, I mean the audi

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-15 Thread Gravis
> What exactly does IPC have to do with patching? the patching is done via IPC. --Gravis On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Vlad <2389...@gmail.com> wrote: > What exactly does IPC have to do with patching? > > On Feb 15, 2015 5:22 PM, "Jaromil" wrote: >> >

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-15 Thread Gravis
a self-propagating virus bricks millions of cars so... the question is if should we wait for bad things to happen to lots of people or should we brick one jerk's limo. --Gravis On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:50:53PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-15 Thread Gravis
> * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg where did it move to before? xorg.conf is something that should never go away. --Gravis On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Luke Leighton wrote: > aspodata.se> writes: > >> >> Luke Kenneth Casson Leight

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-15 Thread Gravis
at it could proposed as an extension of the spec. maybe there is still time to do this before kdbus becomes too heavily used. question though what is "IVI"? --Gravis On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jude Nelson wrote: > I think we're significantly overblowing the impact of kdbus.

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

2015-02-15 Thread Gravis
> Kernel live patching makes KDBUS and systemD support mandatory! i'm weary of KDBUS but live patching is something i consider too dangerous. --Gravis On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:09 AM, wrote: > As you may have read, Linus Torvalds considers to call the next Linux > release 4.0 i

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Gravis
e parts of stable/testing/unstable/experimental debian with parts of ubuntu and mint just fine without having to clear my system. Why would i need to wipe it for Devuan? --Gravis On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:12 AM, KatolaZ wrot

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

2015-02-14 Thread Gravis
ng as we dont make absurdly radical changes, it should be easy for derivatives and independent packagers to switch to the Devuan base. --Gravis On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:12 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:01:58PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > [cut] > >

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-12 Thread Gravis
install IceWM? but-but-but it's C++, so it's large and bloated, right? right??? ಠ_ಠ --Gravis On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:30:58AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:33:51 +0200 >> Martijn Dekkers w

Re: [Dng] Nice feature for vdev

2015-02-12 Thread Gravis
steve, vdev has nothing to do with the screen resolution and will not alter it any more than a "Hello World" program would. --Gravis On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi Jude, > > I have no idea if this would be possible, but if it is, it would be > nice

Re: [Dng] Kali Linux has systemd?

2015-02-11 Thread Gravis
are merely interfaces to systemd with no functionality of their own. --Gravis On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Ed Ender wrote: > libsystemd-daemon0 and libsystemd-login0 are installed by default, at least > they are in Kali 1.1.0 (2015-02-09). > > Other than that I don't know w

Re: [Dng] Kali Linux has systemd?

2015-02-11 Thread Gravis
My question is, is it part of the default installation or did you (inadvertently) add it afterwards? --Gravis On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 10/02/15 11:34 PM, Ed Ender wrote: > > On 2015-02-10 19:52, Wim wrote: > > Hi, > > > Mark inquire

Re: [Dng] Please!! revive Bastille hardening tool for Devuan

2015-02-11 Thread Gravis
s off mark. --Gravis On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Usspookes Lovesystemd wrote: > Could you please revive bastille linux for devuan. It's an essential hardining > script and it is unlikely anyone will have a secure system without it. > For some reason on the newer debian 7s it does no

Re: [Dng] Raspberry Pi 2

2015-02-10 Thread Gravis
piler that runs on a Windows 7 PC but generates code that runs on Android smartphone is a cross compiler." --Gravis On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 2:33 PM, mutek wrote: >> Il 10/02/2015 10:30 Gravis ha scritto: >> to my knowledge, cross compilation has minimal overhead. while havi

Re: [Dng] Raspberry Pi 2

2015-02-10 Thread Gravis
> It doesn't work on a majority of packages, as I understand (build scripts > that rely on running compiled code, that don't respect CC, and many other > causes.) oh that's dreadful. sounds like something that should be fixed and submitted upstream. --Gravis On Tue,

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 32

2015-02-10 Thread Gravis
banana pi uses the ARMv7 architecture which is the same architecture that raspberry pi 2 uses. you should be able to use the same software, as long as you have a working bootloader. however, you may have to recompile the kernel to include the drivers you need. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at

Re: [Dng] Raspberry Pi 2

2015-02-10 Thread Gravis
or an i486 cpu will run on an i386 cpu. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:30:29 -0500 > Gravis wrote: > >> i'm actually getting a couple of Pi 2 boards to use as thin clients. >> be assured, ARMv7 packages will

Re: [Dng] Raspberry Pi 2

2015-02-10 Thread Gravis
to my knowledge, cross compilation has minimal overhead. while having native targets is good for testing, it won't have a significant impact on compile time. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 10 Feb 2015, Gravis wrote: >> be assured, ARMv7 pa

Re: [Dng] Raspberry Pi 2

2015-02-10 Thread Gravis
> It will probably be a few months before I can buy one in my part of the world > (Taiwan) now that is irony. i'm actually getting a couple of Pi 2 boards to use as thin clients. be assured, ARMv7 packages will be made. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:18 AM, Robert Storey wrot

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
> Personally, I see absolutely no use for splash screens or "quiet". what i'm reading here is, "it's not MY preference and I'm important." --Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 17:47:42 -0500 > Gravis wrote

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
> From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. grub2 is well tested, does only one thing, has no interdependencies and is easily removed/replaced. so tell me, how is it the "systemd of boatloaders"? --Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
> And we should first vote for ideas, not implementations, so that in > the second stage everyone could draw own version of the winning idea. I agree, which is why the various uploaded logos should be considered concepts rather than final products. -- Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:52

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
I'm not really a fan of any bootloaders but grub2 has always worked which is more than i can say for other bootloaders. -- Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Cegiełka wrote: > 2015-02-08 22:13 GMT+01:00 T.J. Duchene : >> On Sunday, February 08, 2015 12:00:

Re: [Dng] Gufw and systemd

2015-02-05 Thread Gravis
0 you may have to force other packages too but this will make policykit-1 work without systemd. --Gravis On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2015 05 Feb 08:26 -0600, macondo wrote: >> Hi, i can't install the firewall gufw on jessie because i nuked >>

Re: [Dng] [OT] ISIL (was Re: What's new in Systemd)

2015-02-05 Thread Gravis
please, let's not include terrorists or their ideologies in our conversations. --Gravis On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:30 PM, hellekin wrote: > On 02/04/2015 03:03 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> >>>>> Is not ISIL a better analogy? >> >> But not the analogy I w

Re: [Dng] Some downgrades may be needed e.g. cups Re: Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-03 Thread Gravis
Neo Futur, why don't the TDE people just submit their packages to Debian? --Gravis On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Neo Futur wrote: > ( being on the two mailing lists I m cross posting on the TDE mailing > list so they know devuan could be interested in supporting TDE . . . ) > &g

Re: [Dng] Some downgrades may be needed e.g. cups Re: Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-03 Thread Gravis
> Never heard of TDE, so I can't compare it to that. TDE is "Trinity Desktop Environment" which in reality is just KDE 3, like MATE is Gnome 2. --Gravis On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Gordon Haverland wrote: > On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:27:43 +0100 > Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2015-02-02 Thread Gravis
can just recompile programs with the flag to exclude systemd library dependencies with no further effort required. the things that are really intertwined with systemd are part of Gnome. patches and API implementations are being made for those parts. --Gravis On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM,

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-31 Thread Gravis
jude is correct, kernel mode setting resolved this a shade under a decade ago. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_setting --Gravis On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: >> (If I recall correctly, non-root X is only possible with systemd or >> on openbsd, so t

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Gravis
ely. That said, the initial release of Devuan will have the minimal amount of changes to enable people to choose to not have systemd. --Gravis On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:19:55 +0100 > Svante Signell wrote: > >> On Fri, 2015-01-30 at

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-20 Thread Gravis
thanks for the info, Adam. i'll be sure to test it though that's about all that can be done for the first release. -Gravis On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:21:56AM -0500, Gravis wrote: >> after that i dont know but we wou

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-20 Thread Gravis
FI (Extensible Firmware Interface) > specification. Some of the EFI's practices and data formats mirror those from > Microsoft Windows.[5][6] In 2005, UEFI deprecated EFI 1.10 (the final release > of EFI). The Unified EFI Forum manages the UEFI specification. -Gravis On Tue, Jan 2

Re: [Dng] UEFI, GPT

2015-01-19 Thread Gravis
the first release will be almost the same as debian with the exception of packages needing systemd. after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any direct changes. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Robert Storey wrote: > Hello everyone. This is my first post, though I've

Re: [Dng] Purpose of all this complicated device management?

2015-01-17 Thread Gravis
karl, what's with the hostility? vdev is by no means required and nothing depends on it, so nobody is being forced to even install it. also, since it is based on FUSE, it won't actually add/remove static device files, so when the program exits, it will go back to your static device files. you can

Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd

2015-01-14 Thread Gravis
so about TRIOS, what's the deal with the forum site https://foss.rs? it claims in the metadata to be lang="en-US" and thusly google _REFUSES_ to translate it because it's "already in English". -Gravis On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Dragan FOSS wrote: > > &