jude is correct, kernel mode setting resolved this a shade under a decade ago. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_setting --Gravis
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Jude Nelson <jud...@gmail.com> wrote: >> (If I recall correctly, non-root X is only possible with systemd or >> on openbsd, so that's a moot point for now.) > > From what I recall reading up on this, you should be able to run X as an > unprivileged user on Linux without systemd as long as your video card has a > driver with KMS support. IIRC, most distros ship a setuid X wrapper that > opens the video card device file, does the privileged KMS ioctl()'s on it, > and then hands them off the real X server by exec()'ing it without closing > them. As long as X can go on to read sysfs and the input device files as > well, you should be good to go without either udev or systemd. ChromeOS > does this, for example, and it uses Upstart. > > -Jude > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Isaac Dunham <ibid...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:59:51PM -0500, Neo Futur wrote: >> > going further than just grub, I think it could be good for devuan to >> > be the distro coming with different default packages, a few ideas : >> > >> > * grub/lilo as a default bootloader >> > * trinity ( great fork of kde3 ) as a default DE >> > * a grsecurity enabled kernel ? >> > * eudev or other udev alternative >> > * more generally always choosing the alternatives that are the most >> > respectful of users and unix philosophy, as defaults >> >> I will note that there is an interesting complication with grsecurity >> kernels: >> The X server needs to be able to read sysfs or else have a connection >> with a daemon that can, or drivers will not be properly loaded and >> configured. >> grsec has an option that makes sysfs and procfs unreadable except by >> root, so that X needs udev or must run as root. >> >> (If I recall correctly, non-root X is only possible with systemd or >> on openbsd, so that's a moot point for now.) >> > another idea to make devuan different : >> > >> > * shipping a server oriented flavour, with no DE as a default, a grsec >> > kernel as a default and only the packages needed for a server, that >> > could also be used as a minimal install, small download, that you can >> > later upgrade, add a DE . . . >> >> "No DE as a default": does this this mean not having GNOME/KDE but >> perhaps X11, (v)twm or similar, xutils/xapps, and xterm? >> Or does it mean no X? >> >> I presume it would include openssh and maybe a lightweight vim. >> >> Thanks, >> Isaac Dunham >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
