On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01:36PM +0000, Luke Leighton wrote: [cut]
> what you *don't* want to happen is to fall into exactly the same trap > of forcing people into all-or-nothing decisions. we've had enough of > that, and it would be respectful to them to give them a proper choice, if you want just want to use /some/ of our packages, you simply need to add devuan's repos to the sources.list file of a debian installation. > and to show other distros (including debian) that respecting people's > right to choose is something that attracts users. there's a problem with that logic: that's not what attracts users. > also, i'm going to have a word with the systemd team. i'm going to > advocate to them that they make libsystemd0 be a dynamically-loaded > runtime library, and to provide demonstrations (starting with > pulseaudio) where applications check at *runtime* if libsystemd0 is > available, rather than hard-code the functionality directly in. be sure you keep a record or your conversation, i could use a good laugh. -Gravis On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM, KatolaZ <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01:36PM +0000, Luke Leighton wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > what you *don't* want to happen is to fall into exactly the same trap > > of forcing people into all-or-nothing decisions. we've had enough of > > that, and it would be respectful to them to give them a proper choice, > > and to show other distros (including debian) that respecting people's > > right to choose is something that attracts users. > > > > I see your point, but you will agree that it will be almost impossible > to keep two versions of the same (group of) packages (one with and one > without systemd support), and also useless, since the version "with > systemd" will be altready shipped by Debian.... > > I am sorry but I don't understand the necessity to be "100% > compatible" with Debian at all costs. Again, this will probably be > almost natural for the first release, since Devuan developers are > focusing on making the fewest necessary changes, but I am convinced > that it will soon become unpractical if not impossible, at least if > alternatives to udev and dbus will be included in Devuan and other > packages will depend on them. IMHO, it's always a bad habit to use > packges from different distros, especially in production environments, > and mixing Debian and Devuan is not an exception (as it is not mixing > Ubuntu with Debian...) > > It will be hard for all of us to leave Debian, believe me, but again > revolutions are not cheap... > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] > [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] > [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >
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