Re: {Action by April 5] Vote on best time for the D&I committee discussion call

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 15:03, Jim Jagielski wrote: > Personally, I think the right course would be to take the advice > that having a call when not specifically required to heart and to, > instead, do all discussion, agenda setting, etc on the diversity@ > list and drop the idea of having a call a

Re: {Action by April 5] Vote on best time for the D&I committee discussion call

other people's efforts is the sort of thing that quickly kills contributor enthusiasm. I have seen it happen On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 15:31, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > On Apr 3, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Naomi Slater wrote: > > > > > > as you are not the person dr

Re: Requesting the creation of a Diversity and Inclusion committee reporting to the President

n of the President until death, resignation, retirement, > > removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be > it > > further > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are > > appointed to serve as the initial members of

Re: Some thought provoking reading on meritocracy

hehe, this is the link I shared on ComDev in March that kicked off (what felt like) hundreds of emails, eventually leading to the creation of this very list (diversity@) https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5b88a314fd28ec3753fd9aa57fdf815fe9f7a64c5f60fb00e2d25bcf@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E On

Re: Voting is running at comdev on separation of president's committee:

thanks for the note Myrle. can you clarify what you mean about the private list? On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 11:46, Myrle Krantz wrote: > Hey all, > > For those not on comdev. On a private list it was asked whether comdev > actually wants to "give up" D&I responsibilities to a diversity committee. >

Re: Voting is running at comdev on separation of president's committee:

I'm referring to the private@community.a.o list. Of course normally we > don't share stuff from private lists, but in this case it was agreed that > the question should be move to the public dev@community.a.o list. > > Best, > Myrle > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:29

Re: Requesting the creation of a Diversity and Inclusion committee reporting to the President

" be and hereby is created, the person holding such > office to > > > serve at the direction of the President, and to have primary > > > responsibility of > > > managing the ASF's diversity and inclusion strategy; and be it further > > > > > > R

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

as a trans woman, I can tell you that I have struggled because of my experiences of gendered power dynamics at this organization "transgender African Eskimo" sounds like it's meant to be a ridiculous/comical example. if you want to make this list feel welcoming, you can start by not turning margin

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

re and how. > > Gj > > On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 19:27, Naomi Slater wrote: > > > as a trans woman, I can tell you that I have struggled because of my > > experiences of gendered power dynamics at this organization > > > > "transgender African Eskimo"

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

productive thread after all On Sat 11. May 2019 at 00:28, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > While you all struggle to figure out how unconscious bias works in relation > to trans women in on-line communities where no one has a clue about whether > someone is a trans woman, I'm now actually physically g

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

uot;humor" you (rightly) > pulled Geertjan up on earlier. Lets hold everyone to the same standard. > > Ross > > ________ > From: Naomi Slater > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:30 PM > To: diversity@apache.org > Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

*surprised, not “sororities“ On Sat 11. May 2019 at 01:21, Naomi Slater wrote: > Ross, > > Geertjan’s “humor” was racist, transsexist, and disrespectful. mine was > deserved, after a long thread of him engaging in bad faith. so no, they are > not comparable and my joke was ce

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 01:43, Ross Gardler wrote: > You will note, however, that I I posted the first reply and tried to call > our the bias in the individuals initial mail. It is unfair to claim I'm > somehow singling you out. I am *not* singling you out. sure, you have responded to people cha

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 02:18, Craig Russell wrote: > I think that RTFM is not a good answer to a serious question. it's about context if there's a thread on here about ways in which Apache marginalizes people, and we're having a back and forth about it, and someone new on the list chips in and

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

I think this is a great idea I hope this isn't bikeshedding, but perhaps we should choose a different name. I say this because I'd like to be able to direct someone to this other list without it sounding like I'm telling them they need to "get an education" perhaps diversity-meta@ (because it wou

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

I don't think that a [FAQ] tag solves the problem we're trying to address here. which, as far as I understand it, is that this list is likely to see a lot of threads that may ultimately hamper the work we're trying to accomplish in a sense, we *want* to bifurcate the community. i.e., we want to be

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

erm, "this isn't an appropriate list for this thread, ..." On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 20:31, Naomi Slater wrote: > I don't think that a [FAQ] tag solves the problem we're trying to address > here. which, as far as I understand it, is that this list is likely to

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

lenge that work) 2) perhaps diversity-learn@ is a better name On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 20:32, Naomi Slater wrote: > erm, "this isn't an appropriate list for this thread, ..." > > On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 20:31, Naomi Slater wrote: > >> I don't think that a [

Re: Wiki editing

On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 09:31, Mark Thomas wrote: > > PS I am not on the committee and if the committee would prefer me to > handle requests like this differently please let me know. Generally, > anyone with an @apache.org address is going to get full control. Non-ASF > folks will probably start w

[DISCUSS] committee resources

hey folks, now the D&I committee is official, I think it's time we think about the resources we want to commission so far we have one mailing list: - diversity@apache.org we also have: - https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=112820458 - https://issues.apache.org/jira

Re: Recommendations for inclusive events

this is great should this go on a wiki page or in a JIRA ticket or something? so we don't lose it. I'm presuming that potentially there's work/info here for us to adapt/integrate On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 11:51, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > FWIW I stumbled on https://github.com/hcorona/d

[DISCUSS] bylaws and CoC

another email in the advent of the creation of the D&I committee we should formalize some committee bylaws. I can start that effort and share a draft with the list. I worked extensively on the CouchDB bylaws (along with Joan, and others) and that would be my starting point cf. https://couchdb.apa

Re: [DISCUSS] bylaws and CoC

ack! thanks I'll pass this on to CouchDB too On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 16:16, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 3:40 PM Naomi Slater wrote: > > ...we should formalize some committee bylaws... > > FWIW, in the last year or so the Bo

Re: [DISCUSS] committee resources

On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 16:37, Ross Gardler wrote: > On the topic of another list, why wouldn't "off-topic" be comdev? > > I think most, if not all, of us are in there. If we take the > responsibility of ensuring diversity and welcoming in that list then we are > starting to spread by example. >

Re: [DISCUSS] committee resources

8:42, Alex Harui wrote: > I guess I don't understand how telling someone to go to a different list > will work regardless of which list we tell them to go to. That's why I > offered that we need to practice and hone our management of certain types > of posts instead. > &

Re: [DISCUSS] committee resources

I’m +1 on your counter proposal, Sam On Fri 17. May 2019 at 21:37, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:20 AM Naomi Slater wrote: > > > > in summary, I have three proposed actions: > > > > - create diversity-private@ > > - create diversity-discuss@ or di

Re: [Announce] The Diversity & Inclusion Committee has been officially created

e folks who form the President’s committee: > > * Rich Bowen > * Griselda Cuevas Zambrano > * Shane Curcuru > * Ross Gardler > * Daniel Gruno > * Dinesh Joshi > * Kenneth Knowles > * Myrle Krantz > * Justin Mclean > * Sam Ruby > * Craig L Russell > * Naomi Slate

Re: [Announce] The Diversity & Inclusion Committee has been officially created

on *your! (I’m on my phone! oops! lol) On Fri 17. May 2019 at 23:38, Naomi Slater wrote: > thanks, Gris. and congratulations on our appointment. I’m looking forward > to working with you all > > On Fri 17. May 2019 at 22:52, Gris Cuevas wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >&g

Re: [DISCUSS] committee resources

ple are > accustomed to for topic ettiquette) > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 1:01 PM Naomi Slater wrote: > > > I’m +1 on your counter proposal, Sam > > > > On Fri 17. May 2019 at 21:37, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:20 AM Naomi Slater

Re: [DISCUSS] bylaws and CoC

thanks for the tip Justin I'm glad that there's been some progress on this since I was last actively involved with the Incubator. and it's cool to see that the CouchDB bylaws have had some sort of influence on this! I think it's probably a good idea that podlings are advised not to create their o

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

perhaps we could add an informative note about the trackers? I expect this is an issue that will pertain to multiple sites so it might be beneficial if we develop a standard way of dealing with this without having to omit the resource On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:02, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > > >

Re: [DISCUSS] bylaws and CoC

So, the succinct proposal would be to first define values and goals, then > the guidelines. > > I also think we could benefit from allowing the creation of the > dev@diversity mailing list first, so the committee has a space to > collaborate and discuss these topics. > > How

Re: FAQ and paywall articles

I think this avenue of research is good. and I don't want to detract from it. but I figured I should mention that written speech and interaction carries a lot of information that lends itself to unconscious bias too e.g., command of English, dialect, register, tone, mitigated speech (i.e. directne

Re: [DISCUSS] committee resources

t; > > As yet another strawperson... The form at legal is discuss@... the > form > > at > > > incubator is general@. That doesn't make incubator's list > "subordinate", > > > just simply conveys that software isn't dev'eloped on that lis

Re: FAQ and paywall articles

On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 16:19, Justin Mclean wrote: People often in email list use terms, while possible known, often have a > very different meanings outside of the US. A large number of US corporate, > sporting or gambling idioms, would be lost on most people outside the US > I was hoping to in

Re: FAQ and paywall articles

sounds great!!! On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 17:09, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > > The next paragraph after the one about e-mail names and dates is going > to be about the fact that English has many variations in dialect and > style. Style, such as how directly one will tell someone else they are > wron

Re: [DISCUSS] committee resources

Niall, if there's no prior use of this URL, I don't think we need to put in a redirect On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 02:17, Niall Pemberton wrote: > On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 10:34, Naomi Slater wrote: > > > thanks for the input everyone. we have an INFRA ticket here: > > &

Re: D&I 2020 budget Request

two things immediately come to mind: 1. money for hiring consultants (as was previously discussed on ComDev) 2. money for funding/sponsoring diversity internships/scholarships (Outreachy, etc) On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 00:53, Griselda Cuevas wrote: > Hi folks - > > 2020 budget planning is upon us

Re: GSuite Team Drive

I'd like access, please. what info do you need? On Wed, 29 May 2019 at 11:18, Myrle Krantz wrote: > Just FYI: > > Kevin has created an Apache GSuite Team drive for D&I. > > Currently there are three team members with "manager" access: Gris, Kevin, > and me. Feel free to request access for yours

[ANNOUNCE] D&I mailing list changes

hey folks, we have some changes to the D&I mailing lists d...@diversity.apache.org is live. this list is where all future coordination and D&I work should be done. if you want to contribute, please subscribe by sending an email to dev-subscr...@diversity.apache.org diversity@apache.org (our curr

[PROPOSAL] send automated emails to dev@diversity

(copying diversity@apache.org for the time being because I expect it will take a few days for everyone to move over to d...@diversity.apache.org) now that we have dev@ set up, I would like to propose that we start sending automated emails to the list this is fairly standard practice at the ASF (a

Re: [PROPOSAL] send automated emails to dev@diversity

annick wrote: > +1 > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:02 PM Myrle Krantz wrote: > > > +1 > > > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:53 PM Naomi Slater wrote: > > > > > (copying diversity@apache.org for the time being because I expect it > > will >

Re: [PROPOSAL] send automated emails to dev@diversity

On Wed, 29 May 2019 at 13:44, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > Pelican is just the templating/build system. The files will still be in > a traditional SVN or git repository. Question: which do we want to use? > Git imo. so we can work on GitHub (assuming this is in fact possible for the website)

Re: The 2020 ASF Community Survey is live

wow! congratulations everyone!! I am cheering you on from the side-lines (and sorry for my absence these past few months) On 5. Dec 2019, 22:38 +0100, Awasum Yannick , wrote: > Congratulations to the team. > > Thank you all for your hard work, Gris, Katia and the rest. > > I already filled the sur

Re: Naming branches "master"

master in "master/slave" (distributed computing) and master in the sense of a "master record" (version control) are two independent senses of the same word (senses 2.d and 10.b in the OED, respectively) cf. https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/114751 I believe

Re: Blacklist/whitelist

FYI :) https://issues.apache.org/jira/plugins/servlet/mobile#issue/COUCHDB-2248 Sent from my iPhone > On 9. Jun 2020, at 10:27, Myrle Krantz wrote: > > Hey Rich, this is pretty awesome. But you're preaching to the choir here. > Members@ might reach more projects who just haven't thought abo