bin/filelist
> but cannot click them to see their contents.
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>
> > Let's keep the discussion civil shall we ? You're sending mail to the
Debian
> > devel list which is read and parsed by many, many people and bots in a
> > plethora of environments. This is not the right place for profanity. Take
> > care
>
> >
> >
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one.
As a general rule, I wouldn’t expect a user to keep a PPA package installed
when switching to an official package. There is generally no guarantee that
upgrading from a PPA package to an official one will work without errors.
Or, once the official package had entered the system, they could
f the *users* to do so. In my mind, the users always come first when making
these types of decisions.
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o is already
running Linux instead of Windows, is fully capable of handling a “downgrade”
to an official package. Asking users to remove the PPA they manually added and
install an official package doesn’t really seem like that hard of an ask to me.
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>
> On other words, a rather good example on when an epoch makes sense.
>
> --alec
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cumstance, adding
an epoch is the best way forward. It allows you to maintain the current
upstream program version number, while unifying the Debian, Ubuntu, and PPA
version numbers in such a way that packages from those repositories can be
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; time on the 'devel' list works, this could become a weekly thing.
>
> [1] https://mentors.debian.net
>
> Regards
>
> Phil
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t; Mentor page:
> https://mentors.debian.net/package/selint/
> Request For Sponsorship (RFS):
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1074592
>
> Your assistance will be extremely appreciated and if announcing a few at a
> time on the 'devel' list works, t
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> On 7/29/24 16:10, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> I replaced the first three steps with a single 'tar --exclude-from', so
> that we save time by not writing deleted files to disk only to manually
> delete them:
>
workflow (or a very small number of workflows) that all packages are expected
to follow,
both for packaging and for collaboration.
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strong benefit for all packages, whether or not they are team
maintained.
> If as a project this has to change, I think a vote is warranted.
Absolutely. This is such a core aspect of Debian that any changes or mandates
would need to involve a vote.
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> I have this repo https://github.com/vo6i/termux-package.git and work pckg
> for Termux, how I can upload in Debian Distro Repository?
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ers (efficient once you know how to do it, but it shouldn’t be that hard to
approach as a new maintainer). In my work mentoring new maintainers, I find
that they also run into a lot of confusion that would be easily resolved if
the links on mentors.debian.net just pointed them in the right directi
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I would like to respectfully disagree will some of the opinions expressed in
this email.
First, I should say that I am painfully aware of how long it takes to run
lintian on large
packages. When working on qtwebengine-opensource-src it takes my system (Ryzen
7
5700G) about 2 hours to build t
Niels,
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> Soren Stoutner:
> > I would like to respectfully disagree will some of the opinions expressed
in
> > this email.
> Hi Soren
>
> Not sure if we disagree all that much to be honest. :)
Yes, I th
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> non-free non-free-firmware.
> If I can help with an apt list --installed or something, let me know.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandru Mihail
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t;
> > Last maintainer upload was more than 5 years ago.
> > Last commit to git on salsa was on February 2019.
> >
> > If no objection, I will proceed to upload of latest upstream version
> > in 21 days.
> >
> > Best Regards,
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> On Tuesday, October 8, 2024 10:48:54 PM MST Agustin Henze wrote:
> > Hey Mazen, thanks for adopting this package :). Please don't wait for 21
> > days, feel free to upload it now.
>
> Waiting 21 days
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ced to some of the proposals do not apply to this
proposal. If having this type of option would be helpful (and if the
maintainers of apt don't have objections to someone implementing this) than I
also do have any objections as it doesn't cause any extra work for package
maintainers in
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interests of Debian users.
Unless you can point to a systematic problem with Recommends in Debian (which
the examples you have presented so far have not shown), I don’t think upstream
Debian is the place to fix the particular needs of your derivative
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I would find an additional
category unnecessary and even confusing, especially because users already have
the option to not auto-install recommended packages if they really don’t want
them (which usually comes down to space-saving concerns, especially on
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2024 10:41:46 PM MST Aaron Rainbolt wrote:
> Again, this isn't a problem limited to a derivative distribution. I
> respect that your opinion of how Recommends should work differs from
> mine. That doesn't change the policy though, and it doesn't change that
> neglecting or
at, set your system to not automatically install
recommended packages, and then you can manually install whatever you want to
get all the features of the app to work correctly. But please don’t mess up
Recommends working correctly for the rest of us.
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a Dell
Precision 3800M, 16GB RAM, on an SSD drive (a computer from early 2015):
>
>Format Tarball size Time
>
>.xz ~100MB 179,60s user 7,09s system 75% cpu 4:07,49 total
>.gz ~150MB 38,51s user 6,13s system 83% cpu 53,423 total
>.zst ~139MB 22,68s user 6,28s system 74% cpu 38,868 total
So, more than 1 second, but 22 seconds with .zst doesn’t feel too bad.
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stem 74% cpu 38,868 total
>
> IIRC these times are for tarball creation (incl. downloading and
> apt). Unpacking is AFAICT a lot faster in many cases. Locally it
> feels like <1s.
Thanks. I see I misunderstood what was being stated on the website.
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Thanks!
>
> I vote for DEP-0.
I actually think that using two merge requests like this with the thumbs-up
options is a really good way to get group feedback without the need for a
large number of emails. For simple decisions like this, I would hope we do
more of it.
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id, but if you
want an example of me explaining how to use gbp on Debian Mentors you can take
a look at:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2024/09/msg00057.html
And yes, it is a steep learning curve.
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#x27;t care which spelling we choose, I just want it to be consistent.
While it obviously wasn’t standardized from the beginning, I am in favor of it
becoming standardized. Of all the available options, I personally like DEP-0
the best.
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On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 12:27:22 PM MST Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 12:21:55PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > > > # Specify the distribution, -d
> > > > $distribution = 'unstable';
> > >
> > > Setting t
Johannes,
On Monday, November 25, 2024 11:37:41 PM MST Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Quoting Soren Stoutner (2024-11-26 01:07:06)
>
> > I suppose I should note that I have made a few modifications to the example
> > file because it wasn’t behaving as
On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 3:17:45 AM MST Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
> Hi Soren,
>
> * Soren Stoutner [2024-11-25 16:57]:
> >I am not able to get the example unshare .sbuildrc to work with piuparts.
> >
> >0m0.0s DEBUG: Unpacking /home/soren/.cache/sbuild/unstable-
On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 12:23:00 PM MST Soren Stoutner wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 3:17:45 AM MST Jochen Sprickerhof wrote:
> > Hi Soren,
> >
> > * Soren Stoutner [2024-11-25 16:57]:
> > >I am not able to get the example unshare .sbuildrc to work wi
On Monday, November 25, 2024 4:57:50 PM MST Soren Stoutner wrote:
> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 2:20:45 PM MST Philipp Kern wrote:
> > Debian buildds are using sbuild with unshare now
> >
> >
> > The wanna-build team
ermitted
tar: ./dev/tty: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted
tar: ./dev/urandom: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted
tar: ./dev/zero: Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted
tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
Does anyone have any pointers as to the root of the problem?
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On Monday, November 25, 2024 4:57:50 PM MST Soren Stoutner wrote:
> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 2:20:45 PM MST Philipp Kern wrote:
> > The news are collected on https://wiki.debian.org/DeveloperNews
> > Please contribute short news about your work/plans/subproject.
> &g
this correctly,
> but I'm not so experienced so any hint is welcome.
>
> Is it fine for the Debian project to add the epoch to these 2 apps'
> version number?
I would agree that this is an appropriate use of an epoch, and I can’t think
of any other way to handle the situation.
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ontributor’s experiences with Debian are
closer to what I experienced with Guix than what I experienced with Debian.
If we can change that, I think we would see an influx of contributions to the
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On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 10:30:34 AM MST Andreas Tille wrote:
> Am Mon, Dec 02, 2024 at 06:15:22PM -0700 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
> > I think one of the best things we could do to attract new contributors,
and
> > to encourage those who are currently Sponsored Maintainers to
yond all the
things we have previously tried. And as far as I can tell, having a really
good onboarding process that doesn’t depend on having real-life contact with a
Debian Developer is something that has never been tried.
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On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 2:30:05 PM MST Richard Lewis wrote:
> Soren Stoutner writes:
> > On Monday, December 2, 2024 9:32:27 AM MST Andreas Tille wrote:
> >> Attracting newcomers
> >>
> >>
> >> In my own talk[mt3], I reg
adduser in
> the Red Hat World uses --badname to allow such names as well.
>
> I would love to hear your opinion. Silence is agreement ;-)
>
> Greetings
> Marc
>
>
> ¹ RFC 8264, RFC 8265, and Unicode TR 15 linked in this thread were
> educating for me
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other packages easily.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Learn
That’s a really nice resource. I am surprised I haven’t seen it before.
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at the minimum the
ones I am familiar with would include:
qtwebengine-opensource-src
qt6-webengine
chromium
I would recommend that if we want to enable Salsa CI by default we need to
increase the timeouts to be able to handle large packages.
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DPL would
> delegate their authority if there wasa clear conflict of interest, of
> course. And if a DPL abuses their authority, then they can be voted
> out at the next election. But saying that the DPL "must not
> participate in a decision", per the ChatGPT authored statement, I
> would argue does't work given what trust and power we vest in the DPL.
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Ted
I agree wholeheartedly with this reasoning.
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yond "hardly anywhere" yet not spammy.
My personal feeling is that -devel is the correct place to raise this
discussion (and a Salsa MR is the correct place to vote on it). Everyone who
wanted to participate had the chance to do so. I don’t see any reason to wait
before moving forward.
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easy) I will drop them a line once the package has entered Debian
with a link to the tracker.debian.org page.
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ver get the number of Debian
workflows down to 1, but I would like to see it somewhere lower than 1,000
(that is only a slight exaggeration) in my lifetime.
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On Thursday, January 9, 2025 2:36:21 PM MST Serafeim (Serafi) Zanikolas wrote:
> if you care about adequate, *please* tone down the negativity and file actual
> bugs with specifics
+1
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ote with
MR
options (similar to the one you did for DEP-0 naming). Once there is a strong
consensus
on what the name should be, I would recommend that gbp be reprogrammed to
default
to that name (I know it is a lot of work), and after that it will probably be
fairly easy to to
get DEP-14
n try:
apt full-upgrade (or atp dist-upgrade)
aptitude
Also, the wiki might be helpful to you:
https://wiki.debian.org/Plasma%206
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adapt the override
> with wildcards to match both old and new output and hopefully not too much
> else..
qt6-webengine uses the two-override solution. See lines 2 and 14 of:
https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt6/qt6-webengine/-/blob/master/debian/
source/lintian-overrides?ref_type=heads
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On Monday, January 27, 2025 1:13:51 PM MST John Homer wrote:
> Please unsubscribe hom...@vt.edu from you list
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On Wednesday, January 1, 2025 11:27:38 AM MST Aurélien COUDERC wrote:
> Le mardi 31 décembre 2024, 18:32:09 UTC+1 Soren Stoutner a écrit :
> > On Tuesday, December 31, 2024 10:16:32 AM MST Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 05:31:36PM +0100, Sven Mueller wrot
On Wednesday, January 1, 2025 5:00:10 PM MST Aurélien COUDERC wrote:
> Le mercredi 1 janvier 2025, 19:33:34 UTC+1 Soren Stoutner a écrit :
> > That is an interesting data point. Could you also run with
> > --force-unsafe-io
> > instead of eatmydata? I don’t know if the
On Tuesday, December 31, 2024 10:44:58 AM MST Marc Haber wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 10:32:09AM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > On my system, which has a Western Digital Black SN850X NVMe (PCIe 4)
> > formatted ext4, dpkg runs really fast (and feels like it runs faster than
&
I don’t experience anything I could describe as a performance problem
on any of my systems, I think the burden of proof is on those who are
experiencing those problems to demonstrate them concretely before we need to
spend effort trying to figure out what changes should be made to address them.
Santiago,
On Thursday, January 16, 2025 1:50:15 PM MST Santiago Vila wrote:
> El 16/1/25 a las 21:01, Soren Stoutner escribió:
> > Is there a canonical way for a package to set an environment variable?
>
> You should try to find another way, because Debian Policy 9.9 says thi
, even when no graphical environment is running.
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owever it
> doesn't support duck nor lrc, I don't even know what lrc is...).
lrc is the binary executable for licenserecon.
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/licenserecon
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other packages). Once everything is settled, you can upload a
version of
these experimental packages that only changes the target to unstable and they
will all
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I have composed this email without an arbitrary column wrap, so that those
receiving it can see how it is handled by their various clients and devices.
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Thunderbird
Which has instructions for disabling format=flowed, saying it caused problems.
I’m not
sure how much OpenStack represents general consensus for what works best on
mailing
lists, but it is at least one data point.
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ssion have been
wrapped at
80 characters inline with the current mailing list code of conduct.
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
I feel that it is important I follow the current code of conduct as I advocate
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On Monday, March 3, 2025 12:48:24 PM MST Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2025-03-03 10:35:32 -0700 (-0700), Soren Stoutner wrote:
> [...]
>
> > I am not an expert on format=flowed, so I can’t vouch for the
> > following myself, but I thought it was interesting that the
> >
On Monday, March 3, 2025 2:28:38 PM MST Stephan Verbücheln wrote:
> Am Montag, dem 03.03.2025 um 13:38 -0700 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
> > Also, as I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, this is not a
> > discussion about the merits of HTML vs plain text. As long as emails
> >
On Monday, March 3, 2025 3:26:36 PM MST Russ Allbery wrote:
> Soren Stoutner writes:
> > I agree. Having the sending MUA wrap text creates problems, even with
> > efforts like format=flowed that try to hint to the receiving MUA how to
> > unwrap the text.
>
> I am g
tense about it. I find this type of humor
to be pleasant
and helpful.
I felt Marc’s comment was the second. YMMV. :)
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ublic domain
worldwide). Also, as you pointed out in your analysis, to exercise the public
domain option
the package maintainer would need to verify that “all references to Project
Gutenberg are
removed”, which you have stated is not currently the case with this package and
doesn’t
On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
> Soren Stoutner writes:
> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a decision.
> >
> > One way to do so would be a GR. On one hand, using a GR to modify one line
> > of the code
r at the time and so did not vote, but I did follow the
discussion).
As mentioned above, I don’t think most people’s feelings have changed enough to
warrant
reopening this discussion, but I can imagine the day in the future where Debian
moves
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feel strongly
enough about this that a GR might be the only mechanism where people will
feel like the outcome is fair.
My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be
preferable to a GR to decide this issue?
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On Friday, February 28, 2025 1:28:01 AM MST Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu Feb 27, 2025 at 4:48 PM GMT, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > “There is no expectation that emails sent to the mailing lists are
> > wrapped by the sender at a particular column, but those sending emails
>
On Friday, February 28, 2025 1:35:07 AM MST Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed Feb 26, 2025 at 6:21 PM GMT, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > I have composed this email without an arbitrary column wrap, so that
> > those receiving it can see how it is handled by their various clients
> >
On Friday, February 28, 2025 10:37:51 AM MST Andrea Pappacoda wrote:
> [off-list]
>
> On Fri Feb 28, 2025 at 5:39 PM CET, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > I agree with that. I think the above statement includes that for people who
> > already know what format=flowed is (and have
On Wednesday, February 26, 2025 11:21:42 AM MST Soren Stoutner wrote:
> The purpose of this email is to propose that the expectation that emails
> should be wrapped at 80 characters when they are sent should be dropped.
This email has sparked an interesting discussion, which is what I was
m looking at you, RISC-V, although I understand that the
most likely
short-term outcome is that companies will produce non-free firmware for their
RISC-V
processors), then it might be worth reopening the issue for consideration.
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On Tuesday, March 4, 2025 5:08:43 AM MST Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon Mar 3, 2025 at 9:42 PM GMT, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > Hence, I propose that we change the expectation so that the sending
> > MUA is not expected to wrap text.
>
> In which case, how can the receiving
urely you mean troff/groff?
> .Pp
> .Bd It's \fIthe best\fP!
>
> ;)
Thank you. I needed that smile today.
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On Monday, March 3, 2025 11:38:29 AM MST Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2025-03-03 18:39, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > On Friday, February 28, 2025 7:30:53 PM MST Mason Loring Bliss
> >
> > wrote:
> >> Looks pretty awful to me. Screenshot attached.
> >
> > Yes,
reak remote access than any automated
check Debian can produce.
Now, if any of the breakages being discussed were not sufficiently documented
in
the release notes or NEWS entries, that is a different issue and one which
should probably be addressed directly to the package that made the breaking
chan
On Saturday, March 15, 2025 7:41:02 AM Mountain Standard Time Antonio Terceiro
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> On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 02:49:26PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> >On Wednesday, March 12, 2025 5:38:40 PM Mountain Standard Time Mario
> >Limonciello>
> >wrote:
> >>
> &g
he free
firmware currently shipping in Debian. But my personal opinion is that the
free firmware
movement won’t take off without the open hardware movement.
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uot; vote to determine which way the
> "silent majority" of developers actually lean?
I am planning on proposing a GR, but I want to take the time to make sure I
word it well. I
expect to be able to do so in the next few days.
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On Saturday, March 15, 2025 3:08:01 AM Mountain Standard Time Stephan
Verbücheln
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> Am Montag, dem 03.03.2025 um 14:42 -0700 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
> > Interesting. I guess that text could be interpreted as “Do not send
> > an HTML part, even if you also send a plain text
On Saturday, March 15, 2025 2:53:28 AM Mountain Standard Time Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Fri Mar 14, 2025 at 9:49 PM GMT, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > I am planning on proposing a GR, but I want to take the time to make
> > sure I word it well. I expect to be able to do so
On Saturday, March 15, 2025 11:19:25 AM Mountain Standard Time Andrea Pappacoda
wrote:
> Hi Soren,
>
> On Sat Mar 15, 2025 at 3:47 PM CET, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 15, 2025 7:41:02 AM Mountain Standard Time Antonio
> >
> > Terceiro wrote:
> &
On Friday, March 14, 2025 2:49:26 PM Mountain Standard Time Soren Stoutner
wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 12, 2025 5:38:40 PM Mountain Standard Time Mario
> Limonciello
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Mario Limonciello (hints of format=flowed support)
> >
> >
be compatible, like switching from a date
release of 2025-01-27 to 1.0.1.
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