Re: Endianness of data files in MultiArch (was: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support)

2012-02-09 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:58:28AM +0800, Aron Xu wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 01:35, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On 08/02/12 17:22, Aron Xu wrote: > >> Some packages come with data files that endianness matters, and many > >> of them are large enough to split into a separate arch:all package if

history transparency

2012-02-09 Thread Philip Ashmore
Hi there. Looking at advances in storage that are on the horizon coupled with advances with processing power, it would appear that "something wonderful" is on the horizon. It will be possible to build an entire Debian distribution in a matter of minutes. This capability requires no changes

Re: history transparency

2012-02-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Philip Ashmore wrote: > I think Debian needs a way to be able to pick a point in history and obtain > at least the versions + patches of all the source packages that would have > been installed / available to reproduce the Debian system running on the > users machin

Re: history transparency

2012-02-09 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 09.02.2012 08:45, Philip Ashmore wrote: Right now it's difficult/impossible to recreate a snapshot of Debian as it was (updates included) when the bug was reported. I think Debian needs a way to be able to pick a point in history and obtain at least the versions + patches of all the source pa

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 03:45:50AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > While this could benefit the multiarch installations (for which they > can easily use --path-exclude), it would use lots more space on single > arch installations. Does it really? A quick test tells me that uncompressing every file

Re: history transparency

2012-02-09 Thread Philip Ashmore
On 09/02/12 09:00, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On 09.02.2012 08:45, Philip Ashmore wrote: Right now it's difficult/impossible to recreate a snapshot of Debian as it was (updates included) when the bug was reported. I think Debian needs a way to be able to pick a point in history and obtain at least

MIA check for Robert Jordens and Mark A. Hershberger (anyone in contact with them?)

2012-02-09 Thread Ondřej Surý
Mark A. Hershberger (all his packages are co-maintained; Vincent, are you in contact with him?): : host mail2.intrahealth.org[207.254.211.2] said: 550 No such user (mhershber...@intrahealth.org) (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nic.cz X-Postfix-Queue-ID: BD6A22A3086 X-P

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jan 30, Holger Levsen wrote: > >> > http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 >> would you mind filing a bug about this?! Refering to your blog post is nice, > Yes, since the upstream maintainers do not consider this to be a bug. > > -- > ciao, > Marco There a

Re: Bug#605090: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Yves-Alexis Perez writes: > On mer., 2012-02-01 at 10:34 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 10:24:40AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: >> > On mar., 2012-01-31 at 11:01 -0500, micah anderson wrote: >> > > What is stopping you from creating another package, that provides the

Re: MIA check for Robert Jordens and Mark A. Hershberger (anyone in contact with them?)

2012-02-09 Thread Vincent Bernat
Le 09.02.2012 10:15, Ondřej Surý a écrit : Mark A. Hershberger (all his packages are co-maintained; Vincent, are you in contact with him?): I have done the latest uploads for php-mdb2 packages. I suppose you want me to drop php-mdb2-driver-sqlite package? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-

Re: essential and transitivly-essential

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > My proposal is still: > > - Add a new priority "essential" for the "must always be available" > (so this is what in a bootstrap is unpackaged manually). > Require that Priority essential packages only depend on Priority > essential, so this is the new transitive

Re: DEP-5 and files with white spaces

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Benjamin Drung writes: > Am Mittwoch, den 01.02.2012, 14:20 -0800 schrieb Russ Allbery: >> Benjamin Drung writes: >> >> > DEP-5 is nice, but how can I specify a license for a file with white >> > spaces? For example you want to specify that the file "foo/file one.bar" >> > is licensed under ISC

Re: Versionned dependencies

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tanguy Ortolo writes: > Packages can currenctly declared dependencies on specific versions of > other packages, with simple relations: <<, <=, =, >= and >>. For > instance: > Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus > Depends: iceweasel (>= 3.6.13) | iceape (>= 2.1) | … > > While this is sufficien

Re: Taking over conffiles from other packages while cleaning up properly [Re: Problems detected: package initscripts left obsolete init.d script behind]

2012-02-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012, Michael Biebl wrote: > As mentioned, a simple Replaces in the newly split-off package is > not sufficient, as you will have obsolete conffiles, in case the new > split-off package is not installed. > I've seen this problem a couple of times and I thought it would be > worthwile

Re: Versionned dependencies

2012-02-09 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Goswin von Brederlow, 2012-02-09 11:14+0100: > Tanguy Ortolo writes: >> While this is sufficient for most cases, it does not cover one >> interesting case: a dependencies on a range of versions. For instance: >> Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus >> Depends: iceweasel (>= 3.6.13, << 12.0~a1+) |

Re: Description-less Packages indices

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Eberhard Schauer writes: > The changes have ill side-effects: > - DDTP/DDTSS is partially broken (1). The Database has $(nr_of_packages) >new entrys since 01-22 containing just the short description. > - These (untranslated) one-liners is what one gets visiting (2), e.g. (3). > - Th

Re: history transparency

2012-02-09 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 02/09/2012 10:23 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote: > I guess the next thing to roll out in the future will be virtual > machines representing Debians target architectures running acceptance > tests on the snapshots before publication. images can be built by pointing to specific urls of snapshot.d.o use

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josh Triplett writes: > The only downside that I can see: packages couldn't refer to a > particular file under /usr/share/doc/$package/ by path, because those > packages wouldn't know how the administrator might choose to compress > their files. Given the policy of not depending on files under >

Re: MIA check for Robert Jordens and Mark A. Hershberger (anyone in contact with them?)

2012-02-09 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Vincent Bernat (09/02/2012): > I have done the latest uploads for php-mdb2 packages. I suppose you > want me to drop php-mdb2-driver-sqlite package? From #debian-release's backlog, it seems likely. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Comments on introducing a new Essential package: base-init?

2012-02-09 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 08:03:27PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > sysvinit is currently Essential. Why do we need an init as essential anyway? It is used in all real systems, but not chroots or other special systems. This makes it similar to the kernel, which does not even have a high priority. >

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski writes: > On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 02:14:22PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: >> For those not subscribed to that bug, how to reproduce[1] and possible >> fix[2] are available now. There might be other places where buffers are >> reused, I only spent a few minutes on this during my lun

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:33:58AM +, Wookey wrote: > Some of the issues are already clear I think (moving arch-dependent > headers into arch-qualified dirs, but leaving the others where they > are) And what is considered the best way to share the architecture–independent headers between M-A:

Re: Comments on introducing a new Essential package: base-init?

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Biebl
On 09.02.2012 11:50, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 08:03:27PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: >> sysvinit is currently Essential. > > Why do we need an init as essential anyway? It is used in all real > systems, but not chroots or other special systems. This makes it similar > to the ke

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Guillem Jover writes: > On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 22:01:23 +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> In practice, the only compressor we need to care is gzip, which is >> not actively maintained upstream[0]. Chances that a new version of >> it will break large number of packages are minute. > > That assumes that w

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson writes: > Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with > multiarch support"): >> Another possible solution is to just give any package an implicit Replaces >> (possibly constrained to /usr/share/doc) on any other package with the >> same name and version and

Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Ian Jackson
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For example: > - If you approve, I will edit /etc/X11/app-default/XTerm for you, and > - save

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > - For many of these files, it would be actively harmful to use >architecture-qualified filenames. Manpages included in -dev packages >should not change names based on the architecture; having >/usr/share/pam-config contain multiple files for the same profile

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote: > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. > > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something > wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For > example: > >> [...] I suspect devref 6

Re: Endianness of data files in MultiArch

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aron Xu writes: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 01:35, Simon McVittie wrote: >> On 08/02/12 17:22, Aron Xu wrote: >>> Some packages come with data files that endianness matters, and many >>> of them are large enough to split into a separate arch:all package if >>> endianness were not something to care

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Goswin von Brederlow writes ("Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > One thing which no-one yet seems to have suggested is to have > > multiarch:same packages put the changelog in a filename which is > > distinct for each architecture. (It

Re: Endianness of data files in MultiArch

2012-02-09 Thread Guillem Jover
On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 13:52:34 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Aron Xu writes: > > This looks not very nice, because we need to maintain a list of > > architectures in debian/control, and when new architectures are added > > the package is potentially broken. > > If endian dependend data is

Re: Comments on introducing a new Essential package: base-init?

2012-02-09 Thread Arno Töll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 09.02.2012 13:09, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 09.02.2012 11:50, Bastian Blank wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 08:03:27PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: >>> sysvinit is currently Essential. >> >> Why do we need an init as essential anyway? It is use

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:40:42PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote: > On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. > > > > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something > > wrong with the computer speaking to the

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Justin B Rye
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 12:20:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. Well, by Christian Perrier; nobody else has had a chance to reply yet. If people with opinions on this topic want to join the d-l-e team, which mostly seems to consist

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst writes: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 03:45:50AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: >> While this could benefit the multiarch installations (for which they >> can easily use --path-exclude), it would use lots more space on single >> arch installations. > > Does it really? > > A quick test te

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:29:08PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > The computer is not a person. There there, havelock.liw.fi, don't listen to the *mean* man who says you're not a person. You are too a person! Tell you what, it's a magical Internet, ol' buddy... Let's go exploring! signature.asc Des

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson writes: > Goswin von Brederlow writes ("Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with > multiarch support"): >> Ian Jackson writes: >> > One thing which no-one yet seems to have suggested is to have >> > multiarch:same packages put the changelog in a filename which is >> > distinc

Re: Comments on introducing a new Essential package: base-init?

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Biebl
On 09.02.2012 14:19, Arno Töll wrote: > Hi, > > On 09.02.2012 13:09, Michael Biebl wrote: >> On 09.02.2012 11:50, Bastian Blank wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 08:03:27PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: sysvinit is currently Essential. >>> >>> Why do we need an init as essential anyway? It is us

Re: Versionned dependencies

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tanguy Ortolo writes: > Goswin von Brederlow, 2012-02-09 11:14+0100: >> Why does it remove it? Or rather in which situations? A simple "upgrade" >> or "dist-upgrade" should keep back the package rather than remove >> iceape. Obviously if you force the issue it will remove iceape but that >> then

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread MJ Ray
Ian Jackson > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. > > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something > wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. I'm not active within the l10n-english reviews for some time (see below)

Re: Versionned dependencies

2012-02-09 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Goswin von Brederlow, 2012-02-09 15:02+0100: > Again I don't see how the situation would be different with depends > instead of breaks. In both cases it is impossible to install a > mismatching set of versions. Well, with Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus Depends: iceweasel (>= 3.6.13, << 12.0

How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. !!!HURAY!!! The problem now is the transition: 1) multiarch and ia32-libs are incompatible Having multiarch packages and ia32-libs installed will lead to some confusion

Re: Endianness of data files in MultiArch

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Guillem Jover writes: > On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 13:52:34 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Aron Xu writes: >> > This looks not very nice, because we need to maintain a list of >> > architectures in debian/control, and when new architectures are added >> > the package is potentially broken. >>

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Josh Triplett
Ian Jackson wrote: > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. > > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something > wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For > example: > > > - If you approve, I will edit /etc/X11/app-de

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Goswin von Brederlow, le Thu 09 Feb 2012 15:53:35 +0100, a écrit : > 3) What about stable users? > > I don't see a way to transition stable users slowly. As said above I > intent to request removal of ia32-libs for wheezy. So there will be no > transition period where both ia32-libs and multiarch

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:29:08PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > The computer is not a person. > > There there, havelock.liw.fi, don't listen to the *mean* man who > says you're not a person. You are too a person! Tell you what, > it's a magical Intern

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Goswin von Brederlow (09/02/2012): > now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks > like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. > > !!!HURAY!!! > > The problem now is the transition: 0) make sure all packages are multiarchified. To check that, I debcheckout'd i

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Joey Hess
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > * after a bugfix (including security ones) > > Yes, but not a problem (other than a small race condition) since all > buildds should have the same version. And then if I have a multiarch system, and want to locally download the source of some library, build it and

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > Hi, > > now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks > like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. > > !!!HURAY!!! > > The problem now is the transition: > > 1) multiarch and ia32-libs are incompatible >[...] >

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread brian m. carlson
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:06:46PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > gzip's output is likely to change: > * on a different architecture > * with different optimizations If either of these are the case (assuming a valid, deterministic, non-arch-specific implementation) then this violates C's as-if rule

Re: Versionned dependencies

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tanguy Ortolo writes: > Goswin von Brederlow, 2012-02-09 15:02+0100: >> Again I don't see how the situation would be different with depends >> instead of breaks. In both cases it is impossible to install a >> mismatching set of versions. > > Well, with > Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus > De

Re: Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Josh Triplett wrote: In general I don't see anything wrong with "you" in most circumstances, though I think phrases like "this system" seem clearer and less ambiguous than "your system". I agree. This is often seen in package descriptions, for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.c

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Josh Triplett [2012.02.09.1554 +0100]: > Choosing this option will modify /etc/X11/app-default/XTerm, preserving > the old file as XTerm.backup.not-trad. Because "choosing this option" does not modify anything but the debconf cache, and only the postinst script modifies… no wait, "cho

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Samuel Thibault writes: > Goswin von Brederlow, le Thu 09 Feb 2012 15:53:35 +0100, a écrit : >> 3) What about stable users? >> >> I don't see a way to transition stable users slowly. As said above I >> intent to request removal of ia32-libs for wheezy. So there will be no >> transition period wh

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 11:45:52AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > And then if I have a multiarch system, and want to locally download the > source of some library, build it and install it, dpkg will complain if I > didn't use the same gzip that was used to build other arch versions I > have installed.

Re: severity for bugs in ignoring TMP/TMPDIR?

2012-02-09 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
In data Tuesday 07 February 2012 17:39:46, bastien ROUCARIES ha scritto: > And swap as hell and kill interactivity i am afraid many people on this list have no direct experience of what happens when linux is out of memory and starts to swap. i have an embedded system with 32MiB of RAM where no m

Re: DEP-5 and files with white spaces

2012-02-09 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:01:00 +0100 Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Idea 2: Allow quotation marks. > Not a solution on its own. What about a file named foo" bar' baz? > For a worst case what about files with newlines? You can double the delimiter to embed it into a string, like this: "f

Re: severity for bugs in ignoring TMP/TMPDIR?

2012-02-09 Thread Neil Williams
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:22:58 +0100 Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > In data Tuesday 07 February 2012 17:39:46, bastien ROUCARIES ha scritto: > > And swap as hell and kill interactivity > > i am afraid many people on this list have no direct experience of what > happens > when linux is out of memory and

Re: DEP-5 and files with white spaces

2012-02-09 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 07:38:29PM +0300, Andrew Shadura wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:01:00 +0100 > Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > Idea 2: Allow quotation marks. > > > Not a solution on its own. What about a file named foo" bar' baz? > > > For a worst case what about files w

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Gunnar Wolf
martin f krafft dijo [Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 05:07:39PM +0100]: > Because "choosing this option" does not modify anything but the > debconf cache, and only the postinst script modifies… no wait, > "choosing this option" only changes the in-memory state of some UI > widget and hitting enter then infor

Bug#659269: ITP: starconf -- Starlink autoconf support

2012-02-09 Thread Ole Streicher
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ole Streicher X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: starconf Version : 1.3 Upstream Author : Norman Gray * URL : http://starlink.jach.hawaii.edu/starlink * License : TBD Programming Lang: Shell

Re: MIA check for Robert Jordens and Mark A. Hershberger (anyone in contact with them?)

2012-02-09 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette fin de matinée radieuse du jeudi 09 février 2012, vers 11:43, Cyril Brulebois disait : >> I have done the latest uploads for php-mdb2 packages. I suppose you >> want me to drop php-mdb2-driver-sqlite package? > From #debian-release's backlog, it seems likely. OK, I have reques

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 04:43:04PM +0100, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > > now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks > > like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. > > !!!HURAY!!! > > The problem now is the transi

Bug#659282: ITP: eeglab -- electrophysiological data analysis

2012-02-09 Thread Michael Hanke
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michael Hanke * Package name: eeglab Version : 11.0.0.0 Upstream Author : Scott Makeig, Arnaud Delorme and others * URL : http://sccn.ucsd.edu/eeglab * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: Matlab (Octave) Description

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:52:55AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 04:43:04PM +0100, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > > Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > > > > now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks > > > like we can finaly get rid of

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Riku Voipio
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 03:34:28AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > Riku mentioned as an argument that this increases the data to download > due to slightly bigger Packages files, but pdiffs were introduced > exactly to fix that problem. And, as long as the packages do not get > updated one should not

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Goswin von Brederlow writes: > Changing the name in the package would break tools that rely on the name > (like packages.debian.org extracting the Changelog). Also ugly. We control the tools; we can change the tools. Multiarch is a big deal. We weren't going to get through this without changing

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Guillem Jover
On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 21:50:17 +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 03:34:28AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > > Riku mentioned as an argument that this increases the data to download > > due to slightly bigger Packages files, but pdiffs were introduced > > exactly to fix that problem.

Re: mass bug filing of 'ucf: command not found' errors detected by piuparts

2012-02-09 Thread Andreas Beckmann
Roger Leigh wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:52:42AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 08:10:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > > > > Interesting timing. initscripts started depending on ucf just a > > > > few > > > > days ago, which makes ucf quasi-essential. [...] > > Well,

No release/transition to libpoppler 0.18 ?

2012-02-09 Thread shirish शिरीष
Hi all, A few weeks/months back libpoppler 0.18 got released. The version we have in Debian (running sid) is 0.16.7 which was released in Jun 2011. Please see http://poppler.freedesktop.org/releases.html . Subsequently a wishlist bug was filed. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=6444

Re: No release/transition to libpoppler 0.18 ?

2012-02-09 Thread shirish शिरीष
addition at bottom :- 2012/2/10 shirish शिरीष : > Hi all, > A few weeks/months back libpoppler 0.18 got released. The version we > have in Debian (running sid) is 0.16.7 which was released in Jun 2011. > Please see  http://poppler.freedesktop.org/releases.html . > Subsequently a wishlist bug was f

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:29:53PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > > But the more interesting slowdown is that the amount of packages is general > > slows down apt operations in a rate that is around O(dependencies^2) (pure > > guess, > > perhaps someone has better knowledge?). We do remember apt-ge

Work-needing packages report for Feb 10, 2012

2012-02-09 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 403 (new: 13) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 143 (new: 0) Total number of packages reques

Re: Endianness of data files in MultiArch

2012-02-09 Thread Aron Xu
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 20:52, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > It should be possible to build a converter or generator that can output > either endianess. So you could have a single arch:all package with both > /usr/share/$package/data/{be,le} in it or to generate the right > endianness on install.

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 22:29, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 21:50:17 +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 03:34:28AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: >> > Riku mentioned as an argument that this increases the data to download >> > due to slightly bigger Packages files, bu

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Riku Voipio
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:06:46PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > gzip's output is likely to change: > * on a new version > * after a bugfix (including security ones) > * on a different architecture > * with different optimizations > * with a different implementation (like those parallel ones) > * p

Re: severity for bugs in ignoring TMP/TMPDIR?

2012-02-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > If I notice that software in Debian is ignoring TMP/TMPDIR (since I use > libpam-tmpdir), what severity should I file the resulting bugs at? I'll file them at wishlist as suggested by the second mail in this thread. This thread has gotten out o

Re: Endianness of data files in MultiArch (was: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support)

2012-02-09 Thread Aron Xu
Sorry, the thread was broken and I saw your reply just now. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 16:23, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:58:28AM +0800, Aron Xu wrote: >> >> This is valid for most-used applications/formats like gettext, images >> that are designed to behave in this way, but on

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Miles Bader
Ian Jackson writes: > Finally, the reviewer revealed in the review that they're not a native > speaker of English. Is it normal for l10n reviews to be conducted by > non-native speakers of the target language ? Are we really so short > of native English speaking l10n reviewers ? If so I would b

Re: Please test gzip -9n - related to dpkg with multiarch support

2012-02-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 02:54:43PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes: > > > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 03:45:50AM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > >> While this could benefit the multiarch installations (for which they > >> can easily use --path-exclude), it would use lots mor

Re: DEP-5 and files with white spaces

2012-02-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 11:01:00AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Idea 2: Allow quotation marks. > > Not a solution on its own. Actually, I think it's a perfectly workable solution. > What about a file named foo" bar' baz? > > For a worst case what about files with newlines? Unless the

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Niels Thykier (ni...@thykier.net): > On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. > > > > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something > > wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first pe

Re: DEP-5 and files with white spaces

2012-02-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Wouter Verhelst writes: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 11:01:00AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Not a solution on its own. > Actually, I think it's a perfectly workable solution. >> What about a file named foo" bar' baz? >> >> For a worst case what about files with newlines? > Unless these

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 12:20:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. > > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something > wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For > example: > > > - I

Re: Use of the first person in messages from the computer

2012-02-09 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk): > Finally, the reviewer revealed in the review that they're not a native > speaker of English. Is it normal for l10n reviews to be conducted by > non-native speakers of the target language ? Are we really so short > of native English speakin