> Well, "some places" includes basically all home users, at least in
> Sweden where I live. This is not about ISPs blocking "some traffic",
> they only block outgoing smtp traffic on default ports. The reasons are
> obvious.
>
> That is, it's often a pain to set up outgoing SMTP. As a user you do
Hello,
On Thu 12 Dec 2024 at 08:05pm -08, Don Armstrong wrote:
> That said, the critique is received, and I've been very, very slowly
> working on rewriting the entire system to address some of these issues.
> [Being a parent has made my Debian time very precious, however, so
> keeping things run
Hello,
On Thu 12 Dec 2024 at 10:30pm +09, Charles Plessy wrote:
> - at work, not using LLMs to write code is like refusing to wear shoes
>at the Olympics because Greeks did not and saying that shoes pollute
>and the run is no less fun when everybody agreed to be bare feet.
>True, but
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:06:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> reportbug can send emails through sendmail (if you have that
> configured), or it can be set up so it can bypass that entirely and send
> email directly to an SMTP server.
If you use something like thunderbird, you can always do so
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 05:50:55PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
>
>
> On 12/11/24 5:20 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:04:52 +0530, Pirate Praveen
> > wrote:
> > > I think a reportbug web based front end that authenticates with salsa
> > > via oauth and sends emails without any
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz writes:
> Btw, for triage I used to suggest https://fabre.debian.net to
> newcomers. I had some hope that it could be a start for something
> bigger, so I tried to have access to the code to improve a few things
> but never had an answer from the maintainer :\
This looks lik
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 06:05:51PM GMT, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > > While I personally think e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the
> > > BTS' asynchronous nature did cause me a lot of extra pointless work
> > > when I was an outsider attempting to learn the ropes. Being not 100%
>
On Tue, 10 Dec 2024, Gard Spreemann wrote:
> Being not 100% confident with the system,
> I way too often found myself waiting minutes – as much as 10 or 15 – for
> replies to simple operations.
The BTS processes messages every 3 minutes. There's nothing really
stopping an inotify-based daemon alwa
Hi
On 11-12-2024 12:34, Pirate Praveen wrote:
If reportbug can open your already configure email client (like
thunderbird) that already helps a lot.
I do that all the time:
paul@toba ~ $ grep thunderbird ~/.reportbugrc
mua thunderbird
Paul
OpenPGP_signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 09:29:08PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Last time I had to write a removal request I asked ChatGPT and it worked
> > well!
Le Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 02:29:08PM +, Holger Levsen a écrit :
>
> is this debian-devel@ or -curiosa@? (&scnr)
Hi Holger and everybody,
it
On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:00:58 +, Richard Lewis
wrote:
>Gard Spreemann writes:
>> While I personally think e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the
>> BTS' asynchronous nature did cause me a lot of extra pointless work
>> when I was an outsider attempting to learn the ropes. Being not 100%
Hello,
On Wed 11 Dec 2024 at 11:00pm GMT, Richard Lewis wrote:
> Gard Spreemann writes:
>
>> While I personally think e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the
>> BTS' asynchronous nature did cause me a lot of extra pointless work
>> when I was an outsider attempting to learn the ropes. Bein
Hi,
> > While I personally think e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the
> > BTS' asynchronous nature did cause me a lot of extra pointless work
> > when I was an outsider attempting to learn the ropes. Being not 100%
> > confident with the system, I way too often found myself waiting
> > mi
Gard Spreemann writes:
> While I personally think e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the
> BTS' asynchronous nature did cause me a lot of extra pointless work
> when I was an outsider attempting to learn the ropes. Being not 100%
> confident with the system, I way too often found myself wa
On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 15:00:45 +0100, Alec Leamas
wrote:
>> On 12/11/24 6:35 PM, sre4e...@free.fr wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-11 13:52, Pirate Praveen a écrit :
> reportbug can talk SMTP directly, is that not enough for you?
without configuring an smtp server? If I run reportbug and clicks
On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:50:55 +0530, Pirate Praveen
wrote:
>On 12/11/24 5:20 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:04:52 +0530, Pirate Praveen
>> wrote:
>>> I think a reportbug web based front end that authenticates with salsa
>>> via oauth and sends emails without any email client needi
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 09:27:11AM -0500, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> I would like to add that while self-sustained SMTP facilities is useful, the
> reportbug tool has a strong assumption: it assumes that the bug reporter
> must be using Debian (or one of the Debian derivative, though we know it
> won't w
Quoting Holger Levsen (2024-12-11 15:29:08)
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 09:29:08PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Last time I had to write a removal request I asked ChatGPT and it worked
> > well!
>
> is this debian-devel@ or -curiosa@? (&scnr)
>
> that said, I do realize that the verb "to google
On 2024-12-11 15:27, Boyuan Yang wrote:
I would like to add that while self-sustained SMTP facilities is
useful, the reportbug tool has a strong assumption: it assumes that the
bug reporter must be using Debian (or one of the Debian derivative,
though we know it won't work well) when reporting
Le 2024-12-11 15:04, Pirate Praveen a écrit :
Many firewalls (for example in offices) also block almost every port
other than 80 or 443. So it'd still be valuable to have a web based
reportbug interface.
Well, usually they just block everything including ports 80 and 443,
often one has to u
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 09:29:08PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Last time I had to write a removal request I asked ChatGPT and it worked
> well!
is this debian-devel@ or -curiosa@? (&scnr)
that said, I do realize that the verb "to google" slowly is becoming "to
ask $chatgpt" or rather, that als
Hi,
在 12/11/2024 9:04 AM, Pirate Praveen 写道:
On 12/11/24 7:30 PM, Alec Leamas wrote:
On 12/11/24 6:35 PM, sre4e...@free.fr wrote:
Le 2024-12-11 13:52, Pirate Praveen a écrit :
reportbug can talk SMTP directly, is that not enough for you?
without configuring an smtp server? If I run rep
Le 2024-12-11 15:00, Alec Leamas a écrit :
Well, "some places" includes basically all home users, at least in
Sweden where I live. This is not about ISPs blocking "some traffic",
they only block outgoing smtp traffic on default ports. The reasons are
obvious.
Did you try to connect using TC
On 12/11/24 7:30 PM, Alec Leamas wrote:
On 12/11/24 6:35 PM, sre4e...@free.fr wrote:
Le 2024-12-11 13:52, Pirate Praveen a écrit :
reportbug can talk SMTP directly, is that not enough for you?
without configuring an smtp server? If I run reportbug and clicks
submit, does it send mail w
On 12/11/24 6:35 PM, sre4e...@free.fr wrote:
Le 2024-12-11 13:52, Pirate Praveen a écrit :
reportbug can talk SMTP directly, is that not enough for you?
without configuring an smtp server? If I run reportbug and clicks
submit, does it send mail without any extra configurations?
It does,
On 2024-12-11, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> Thanks, in that case, it is my mistake. I was always thinking it needs
> an mta configured, may be this was a recent addition. Not sure if it was
> there from the beginning.
It has been by default using the submission port for default for ages,
though not
On 12/11/24 6:35 PM, sre4e...@free.fr wrote:
Le 2024-12-11 13:52, Pirate Praveen a écrit :
reportbug can talk SMTP directly, is that not enough for you?
without configuring an smtp server? If I run reportbug and clicks
submit, does it send mail without any extra configurations?
It does,
Le 2024-12-11 13:52, Pirate Praveen a écrit :
reportbug can talk SMTP directly, is that not enough for you?
without configuring an smtp server? If I run reportbug and clicks
submit, does it send mail without any extra configurations?
It does, and that works for me (though maybe not from some
On 12/11/24 6:10 PM, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 05:50:55PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
I think a reportbug web based front end that authenticates with salsa
via oauth and sends emails without any email client needing to be
configured will already help.
Is it not alr
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 05:50:55PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> > > I think a reportbug web based front end that authenticates with salsa
> > > via oauth and sends emails without any email client needing to be
> > > configured will already help.
> >
> > Is it not already the case that you can us
Le Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 05:50:55PM +0530, Pirate Praveen a écrit :
>
> As I said, it is not impossible, but a painful process. I use reportbug only
> when I have to generate a template for rm requests, otherwise I always write
> an email. We should avoid asking new people to run through hoops when
On 12/11/24 5:20 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:04:52 +0530, Pirate Praveen
wrote:
I think a reportbug web based front end that authenticates with salsa
via oauth and sends emails without any email client needing to be
configured will already help.
Is it not already the case
On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:04:52 +0530, Pirate Praveen
wrote:
>I think a reportbug web based front end that authenticates with salsa
>via oauth and sends emails without any email client needing to be
>configured will already help.
Is it not already the case that you can use reportbug without
e-mail
On 12/11/24 8:47 AM, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 09:18:06AM +0100, Gard Spreemann a écrit :
The BTS is core to Debian. It is e-mail based. While I personally think
e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the BTS' asynchronous nature
did cause me a lot of extra pointless w
Le Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 09:18:06AM +0100, Gard Spreemann a écrit :
>
> The BTS is core to Debian. It is e-mail based. While I personally think
> e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the BTS' asynchronous nature
> did cause me a lot of extra pointless work when I was an outsider
> attempting t
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 08:59:23AM -0500, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> > Here's the default crontabs for debbugs.
> > There do exists an handfull of other instances of debbugs, some might
> > deviate from default settings.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > /usr/lib/debbugs/processall >/dev/null
> > 7,22,37,52
Hi,
在 2024-12-10二的 10:49 +0100，Alexandre Detiste写道：
> Hi,
>
> Here's the default crontabs for debbugs.
> There do exists an handfull of other instances of debbugs, some might deviate
> from default settings.
>
> Greetings
>
> /usr/lib/debbugs/processall >/dev/null
> 7,22,37,52 * * * *
>
> h
Marc Haber writes:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:18:06 +0100, Gard Spreemann
> wrote:
>>The BTS is core to Debian.
>
> And it is one of the best Bugtrackers I have ever encountered.
I agree.
> It could be faster, yes, but its features trump the waiting time by
> far.
Without knowing anything abou
On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:18:06 +0100, Gard Spreemann
wrote:
>The BTS is core to Debian.
And it is one of the best Bugtrackers I have ever encountered. It
could be faster, yes, but its features trump the waiting time by far.
Greetings
Marc
--
---
Hello,
On Tue 10 Dec 2024 at 01:58pm +05, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 09:18:06AM +0100, Gard Spreemann wrote:
>> Since several people seem to be sharing their experiences with
>> (undesirable) challenges in becoming a DD, I thought I'd add a point
>> that seemingly hasn't
Hi,
Here's the default crontabs for debbugs.
There do exists an handfull of other instances of debbugs, some might
deviate from default settings.
Greetings
/usr/lib/debbugs/processall >/dev/null
7,22,37,52 * * * *
https://bugs.debian.org/debbugs-source/debian/debian/crontab
Le mar. 10 déc. 202
Andrey Rakhmatullin writes:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 09:18:06AM +0100, Gard Spreemann wrote:
>> Since several people seem to be sharing their experiences with
>> (undesirable) challenges in becoming a DD, I thought I'd add a point
>> that seemingly hasn't been covered yet:
>>
>> The BTS is cor
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 09:18:06AM +0100, Gard Spreemann wrote:
> Since several people seem to be sharing their experiences with
> (undesirable) challenges in becoming a DD, I thought I'd add a point
> that seemingly hasn't been covered yet:
>
> The BTS is core to Debian. It is e-mail based. While
Since several people seem to be sharing their experiences with
(undesirable) challenges in becoming a DD, I thought I'd add a point
that seemingly hasn't been covered yet:
The BTS is core to Debian. It is e-mail based. While I personally think
e-mail-based workflows can be quite nice, the BTS' asy
Hi,
Am Wed, Dec 04, 2024 at 11:18:23AM -0700 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
> Robert,
Thanks a lot to Robert to ask here on the list and sorry for my delayed
answer. I had to catch up with real life but since the question was
originally to me in person I feel the need to finally get involved into
the t
On Fri, Dec 06, 2024 at 05:01:10PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> 2024, ഡിസം 5 2:05:19 AM Lucas Kanashiro :
> > https://debconf24.debconf.org/talks/74-attracting-and-retaining-new-contributors-insights-from-brazil/
> >
> > There was some follow-up discussion in Hacker News after a LWN post about
>
2024, ഡിസം 5 2:05:19 AM Lucas Kanashiro :
> https://debconf24.debconf.org/talks/74-attracting-and-retaining-new-contributors-insights-from-brazil/
>
> There was some follow-up discussion in Hacker News after a LWN post about
> this talk was published:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/987548/
> https:/
On Thursday, December 5, 2024 1:30:15 AM MST Pirate Praveen wrote:
> 2024, ഡിസം 4 9:33:25 PM Robert Chéramy :
> > 2) What should I read first if I want to make a new package?
>
> I usually suggest a step by step guide to people who are new, in this I
> suggest building existing packages from sourc
2024, ഡിസം 4 9:33:25 PM Robert Chéramy :
> 2) What should I read first if I want to make a new package?
>
I usually suggest a step by step guide to people who are new, in this I suggest
building existing packages from source and updating existing packages before
creating a new package from scratc
Hi,
On 04/12/2024 15:18, Soren Stoutner wrote:
Robert,
I appreciate your addition to the discussion.
On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 8:53:07 AM MST Robert Chéramy wrote:
1) Documentation
There was a lot of reading involved (no problem here - it is great to
have a detailed documentation) but it
Hello Soren,
Am 04.12.24 um 19:18 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
Robert,
I appreciate your addition to the discussion.
On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 8:53:07 AM MST Robert Chéramy wrote:
1) Documentation
2. A vast amount of the step-by-step documentation written for beginners
regarding how to
Robert,
I appreciate your addition to the discussion.
On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 8:53:07 AM MST Robert Chéramy wrote:
> 1) Documentation
> There was a lot of reading involved (no problem here - it is great to
> have a detailed documentation) but it was very confusing that there were
> differe
On Wed, Dec 04, 2024 at 04:53:07PM +0100, Robert Chéramy wrote:
> 1) Documentation
> There was a lot of reading involved (no problem here - it is great to have a
> detailed documentation) but it was very confusing that there were different
> guides addressing the same things:
>
> Debian Developper
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