Agreed. We also had a Triton with about 50 years of local experience. He kicked
us badly - if he was in sight at the end, we lost. I think some of the older
boats which were rated years ago (252 here) have an advantage with new
technology which wasn't available when they were rated (think inboar
After I forwarded the pics over I got a return call within minutes and, was
assured they have never taken a return on these items and that, with the
exception of the scratches on the mounting rod, what I was seeing is "normal."
He went on the sat that the damaged packaging inside the box was al
So I'm "negotiating" with the broker of the C&C 30 I've been looking at.
(He was away on vacation).
I brought up a few issues with the boat and his response was "older
boats have these issues, maybe you should look for a newer boat" --
Rather friendly chap it seems!
I'm still looking at ho
Hi Danny,
Sorry for the ordeal. You are on the right path. You got a story but a response
nonetheless. Give Defender a chance to fix their problem. I've had better
results from them and think you will too, over time. I wouldn't except
scratched merchandise unless it was advertised that way. I d
If it makes you feel better, a the modern electronics, especially for marine
use, are pretty tough. The shipping bashing they take is minor compared to the
life they are about to take up.
If all the bits are there, I suggest moving on and installing them.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On
Just make your offer, get the survey done and negotiate the repairs after. If
you want to sit down over a coffee to discuss it, we can do that too. Sender a
phone number off list if you like. It's Sunday and I have some time.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2013-04-07, at 14:06, "Dr. Mark
Typically you make your offer contingent on survey. That can be as detailed as
you like; hull survey, engine survey, and you can add sea trials to test
systems. You are making the offer. If the owner accepts your offer, the full
price would be expected unless the survey finds things wrong. Once
In the states, everybody uses the YBAA form for offers. The selling
broker can provide the form.
Putting a survey as a condition is bog standard. I've had it included
on boats where I didn't even end up doing a survey.
I wouldn't expect a ton of movement on price as a result of a survey.
With
The boat is worth what you are willing to pay for it...if you get it at your
offer price great, if not look for something else
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin
Kil
I need some help in answering an inquiry from the handicapper of NCPHRF,
based on the data I submitted in my recent PHRF application.
Imzadi is a 38, HIN 047, with a build date of 01/76. I presume she is what
we'd call a Mk1. Someone on the list has a boat with a HIN in the high 80's,
and descr
Hi, Rick -- I had heard that the LF38 hull was basically the same as the 38,
with the exception of the longer, shallower keel on the Landfall; and my LF38
is 12'3" at the beam. Hull #9, manufactured 1979.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something
big comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on.
Any one know a good surveyor on Long Island? What about cost for a
survey for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine?
Boat is currently in the water, so I'll lik
Rick - I think LF38s are different.
To answer your question: My HIN is CCY38090M81E. My documentation
shows my beam as 12.2 feet.
I have heard conflicting stories as to whether the LF38 hull was
modified from a 38 hull mold or a 40 hull mold. It was definitely made
from an existing mold,
Surveys I have had done are usually priced by the foot, my experience for my
35 has been from $10-$15 per foot, the highest price was for the purchase
survey in 2004 which was done by an accredited surveyor in the USA (Maine).
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
--
Rick,
My boat is from 1976 and is hull number #100. I guess they built and sold a lot
of 38 back then! The original owners manual lists the beam as 12' 0", LOA is
37' 7" and the LWL is 29' 7". I have been under the impression the the
prototype was (were?) the only mk1 and the production boats we
Mark,
In response to your original question, here is a copy of the wording that
appeared in my offer for Imzadi regarding the survey. This was part of a
preprinted offer form used by the broker in Norfolk, but I don't know if it
is the standard AYBA form that Colin referred to.
In a paragraph lab
Wal, I can sympathize. I've had similar experiences.
Holiday weekend. Late arrival. Last available slip. Nearest alternative
probably 40 NM away on the other side of the sound.
I was busy concentrating on backing the IOR stern into the slip when this
scraping squeak notified me that the boat woul
Mark,
I +1 what Chuck said.
be prepared to walk away, if the survey comes not so good.
I can simply put “subject to successful (you can say “positive”) survey”. When
i was buying my last boat, the one i eventually bought was the third i looked
at. The first was the price issue, the second was
When I bought my C&C, and sold my old boat the surveyor hired by the buyer
was very good.
I believe he was based in Port Washington.
I think I have his contact info at my office.
If the boat is closer to the east end of LI, Andrew Kinsey, is very good. I
grew up racing Lasers and Sunfish against
Lots of good advice.
Insurance now requires a full survey that is expensive. If you decide not to
buy this boat, the full survey cost is on you and you will pay the fee again on
the next boat. Instead I would advise you make your offer, get a signed
contract, but do a personal assessment of th
I've also used Andrew Kinsey before and would add another vote for
him. Good guy and very thorough. He's out at the eastern end of LI.
(He did the purchase survey and sea trial on Bojangles back in 2006).
I have his contact info if you want it.
Cheers
Colin
On 4/7/13, kirk sneddon wrote:
>
One more thing I liked about Andrew. Even 7 years ago (in the dark
ages), he was really good about emailing me photos of areas of concern
so that I, sitting in Toronto, knew exactly what the issues were. He
also made follow up visits to the boat for me to check on things that
came up as a result
Another tip:
Once you own the boat some yards start charging you storage until you move it.
You should ask about that up front. A brokerage may not be able to answer for
the marina or boat yard.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
- Original Message -
From: "Colin Kilgo
HI Rick:
Impromptu has a hull number of 125, and according to my papers, she is a
MKII.to make matters worse, #125 was built in the Bruckman Custom shop
for an owner in Chicago to race in the Mac races. The designation on the
listing when I bought the boat called her a MKIIC...there's one
Rick: Impromptu's beam is 12'2". Ron
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 5:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Does anyone know the HIN break between the 38 mk1 and
38mk2?
I need some help in a
Hi Mark,
The two most important subjects in most boat offers are: adequate
survey result & sea trials. These are important because they are
almost entirely subjective, you can back out easily.
Note that the common term is subjects, not contingent.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet, 35 mk-1
Thanks for all the info everyone.
The boat is at the North eastern end of Long Island - Greenport. So yes, I'd
like the contact info for Andrew Kinsey.
Rick - great info. Thanks for the detail. Interesting to hear the brokers
comments on boat values. Locally similar boats are selling for a lot
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