Agreed. We also had a Triton with about 50 years of local experience. He kicked us badly - if he was in sight at the end, we lost. I think some of the older boats which were rated years ago (252 here) have an advantage with new technology which wasn't available when they were rated (think inboard genoa tracks, new sail cloth, etc.) - and around here, the Tritons didn't get much exposure to the PHRF fleet - they raced one design, so were not re-rated.
And, know your local conditions - the Triton in light air (170 or so genoa - one design rating) and flat water isn't hurt by waves with its short water line.... plus the owner dove on it weekly (until his '90's) and had very good sails and just a little experience... out in the big Bay, it may have been a different story. Gary St. Michaels ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck S To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: Stus-List With great speed comes great responsibility Agree Dwight, I like the C&C racer/cruiser line of boats because of the dual purpose idea and they are well built and respected. My boat has taught me a great deal about sailing because it is so responsive. For the guy in BVI, I would add that you can win with a higher PHRF number if you prepare it properly with clean bottom and sleek racing sails, and sail a flawless race. There is a Triton 28 that races us with a rating of 258. He finished an 8 mile race 30 minutes after us and corrected out to first, this way. Credit goes to the skipper who has a lifetime of racing experience, and knows his boat, and keeps his boat very clean. A PHRF rating is based upon a boat having a clean bottom, an experienced crew, and recent (within two years) racing sails. But racing sails for a Hunter 30 would cost more than the boat is worth. That's why winning can get so damn expensive. If you want "line honors" or just stay with the leaders, you need to check your competition and buy a comparable boat with same or lower PHRF rating. It's a simple matter to check the local racing results and find out the ratings of the competition. With great speed comes great responsibility: Our boat's rating of "99" has me leading where I race because our rating is the lowest. I didn't plan that. I fell in love with the design and bought it without knowing anything about racing. We lead because the majority of other boats rate 140 to 174. One thing I hadn't planned on when I started racing, was the extra work for us, finding the marks when they are a mile away and hard to see, judging the laylines correctly, adjusting for wind shifts. The fleet can relax more and sail for speed, and watch the leaders for shifts laylines and never miss a mark. We probably wouldn't be competitive against fleets in Annapolis or Newport where owners spend more on sails and gear, crews are more experienced and racing is in the blood. BTW, PHRF ratings list for Chesepeake Bay: a customized C&C 110 rating 75, while the new J-111 has a PHRF of 45. Moral: Know your competition. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "dwight veinot" <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:09:56 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI Chuck You make some very good points about a fast boat leading the fleet around the marks and winning races. Also worth mentioning that within a given PHRF range it is the boats that do best for their ratings that mostly win all other things as you describe being equal boat for boat. And then after you prove your boat is faster than her rating predicts by winning on a regular basis the handicap committee will adjust the rating number…so if you’re really keen and want to win and be at the front of the fleet you need what I think you call a fast boat but also a boat that has a favourable rating…sometimes even a favourable provisional rating for boats new to say the New England PHRF system and some of those designs are built for speed and equipped accordingly…our older C&C’s and I mean your 34R too just aren’t fast enough to lead the newer designs around the course but we hope the rating system allows for fair competition. Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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