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I traced the wire yesterday, and it does not look like there is a solenoid for
the glow
I traced the wire yesterday, and it does not look like there is a solenoid for
the glow plugs. I will have to think about adding one (perhaps when I remove
the connector this winter). Dave
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Thanks for letting us know what you found. I'm still curious to know if
you have a glo-plug solenoid.
If you don't have,
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Thanks for letting us know what you foun
Yes, if you have a glo-plug solenoid then it should be where the glo-plugs
are getting power from. I would look on the engine but its no guarantee.
The concern is that without one you may continue to burn the the
connector, contacts, or worse the wires.
Josh
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> Thanks for letting us know what you found. I'm still curious to know if you
> have a glo-plug solenoid.
>
>
There is certainly none indicated in the wiring diagram from Universal, but to
be fair, the starter solenoid is also n
Thanks for letting us know what you found. I'm still curious to know if
you have a glo-plug solenoid.
If you don't have, can't fine, can't wait for tefgel then silicone
dielectric grease (spark plug boot grease) can be found at any auto parts
store and is a good alternative.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea
TefGel!
Dennis C.
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> I wanted to report back on the latest on my engine panel. I was able to get
> the connector in the engine compartment apart today. Two of the pins were
> particularly black and all
I wanted to report back on the latest on my engine panel. I was able to get
the connector in the engine compartment apart today. Two of the pins were
particularly black and all looked corroded. I cleaned them all and put it back
together and remarkably, the engine started with both buttons he
ause of numbers.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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As a note, the wiring diagram shows the preheat solenoid on the engine side
of the harness connector. That leads me to believe it is attached to the
engine and is not at the panel. Further, the hot lead to the solenoid is a
#10 red wire from the hot connection on the starter solenoid. Follow tha
Yes, but he didn't mention the existence of one. It sounds like it was
removed or bypassed and the start push button power moved up stream of the
glo-plug button.
Josh
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> You didn't mention a solenoid for the glo-plugs. Did i miss that?
> Without a solenoid for the glo-plugs (and fuel pump) then just as the
> second article stated (which is supported by your description o
You didn't mention a solenoid for the glo-plugs. Did i miss that? Without
a solenoid for the glo-plugs (and fuel pump) then just as the second
article stated (which is supported by your description of the connector)
the panel is providing all 24amps of current which is the choke point for
the pul
We did some more testing yesterday. Batteries fully charged by solar panel
would not start the engine with both buttons held down after 20 seconds of glow
plugs. Started fine with start button alone. Batteries read about 12.7v and
rapidly went down to 12.5 after 15 seconds of glow plugs. The v
100, Reserve Capacity: 186, MCA / Cranking Amps: 715
>
> Rick
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This has been a great learning experience and I think I understand most of
what has been said. One thing
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Your math is correct, and the high current through the glow plugs (and the fuel
lift pump) accounts fo
ery to the glow plugs and fuel pump, the starter solenoid, and the
>> instruments comes through the key switch. Of course the panel and wiring is
>> designed for the current flow expected. And, of course, the panel on a
>> Yanmar is also the choke point for current to the idio
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> I checked the specs of the universal glo-plugs and they aver
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I checked the specs of the universal glo-plugs and they average 2 ohms. This
equates
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To run 10 amps through the glow plugs they can not be more than 1.2 ohms,
from a 12V battery. A couple thousand ohms would allow only 6 mA, barely
enough to lite a LED... ;-)
Leslie.
(one of my degrees is
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I checked the specs of the universal glo-plugs and they average 2
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> I checked the specs of the universal glo-plugs and they average 2 ohms.
> This equates to ~6amps times 4 cylinders equals ~24amps. That's a pretty
> good amount of current draw. Th
Sure glad I have an Atomic 4!
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I checked the specs of the universal glo-plu
4 glo-plugs ~2ohms each wired in parallel equals ~0.5ohms total. ~12v ÷
~0.5ohms = ~24amps.
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> To run 10 amps through the glow plugs they can not be more than 1.2 ohms,
> from a 12V battery. A couple thousand ohms would allow only 6 mA,
To run 10 amps through the glow plugs they can not be more than 1.2 ohms, from
a 12V battery. A couple thousand ohms would allow only 6 mA, barely enough to
lite a LED... ;-)
Leslie.
(one of my degrees is EE.)
down the starting voltage. When you
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> ground and you let the smoke out of the whole boat.
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> David;
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> Previous owners, shade tree mechanics, and inexperienced/inexpensive
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> David;
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> Previous owners, shade tree mechanics, and inexperienced/inexpensive
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and you let
the smoke out of the whole boat.
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
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Subject: Stus-List Universal Engine panel wiring
Since I got my boat, I have been bothered by the fact that the engine will
not start in the way it is described in the manual unless plugged into shore
power. The manual says to hold the glow plug button for about 30 seconds
Interesting discussion. Sounds at this point like there are two different
Universal wiring setups with some having hot to the start button and some hot
through the glow plug button.
> On Aug 11, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List
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> David,
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> Sounds like your ignition cir
David,
Sounds like your ignition circuit has been modified. As another lister said,
the glow plug button activates the fuel pump and glow plugs and silences the
oil pressure alarm. Pushing the start button without pushing the glow plug
button should not activate the starter. I just tried it on
I don't have a universal or any experience with one but it sounds to me
like the glow plugs are drawing down the starting voltage. I would suggest
installing a solenoid for the glow plugs in addition to a solenoid for the
starter. The 2 articles below talk about poorly wired universal panels and
The power to the starter button is supposed to come off the switched
terminal of the glow plug button. You are supposed to to have to push
the glow plug switch and the starter switch every time you start, as the
glow plug switch also powers both the electric fuel pump until the oil
pressure bu
David,
My old Universal M-35 was the same way - could not start if I pressed the
starter while still holding the glow plug. I'd have to let go of the glow plug
and then press start.
I hooked up a multimeter and found that the glow plugs use up a lot of juice.
At the ignition stage, I read 12.
my M4-30 will only start if the glow plug button and start button are
pressed simutaneously so after about 20-30 seconds on the glow plug I then
press the starter but while holding the glow plug button pressed and bingo,
away she goes...the engine starts hard if I don't depress the glow plug
button
A reading of only 12 volts on the battery cable when not under the load
of turning the starter indicates a fairly dead battery.
Bill Bina
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Measuring voltage can be misleading unless the voltage is measured when the
circuit being measured is under load. Digital voltmeters require very little
power to read voltage and, even with lots of resistance in an unloaded circuit
under test can indicate full expected voltage. Once the normal l
The engine should turn over whether the glow plug button is depressed or not.
Twelve volts should go to the ignition switch. The other side of the ignition
switch should go to the starter button and to the glow plug button. Depressing
the glow plug button will energize the glow plug. Then depres
; Subject: Stus-List Universal Engine panel wiring
> Since I got my boat, I have been bothered by the fact that the engine will
> not start in the way it is described in the manual unless plugged into
> shore power. The manual says to hold the glow plug button for about 30
> seconds and th
Since I got my boat, I have been bothered by the fact that the engine will not
start in the way it is described in the manual unless plugged into shore power.
The manual says to hold the glow plug button for about 30 seconds and then
while continuing to hold that button in, push the start butto
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