Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now daysailors

2013-11-08 Thread Chuck S
an-16/oysterman-16.htm Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: "Steve Thomas" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 7:33:40 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality A guy in who liv

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2013-11-08 Thread Steve Thomas
:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality A 42 footer would be OK with me but they may not get too popular because of beam.at the dock From: Cn

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2013-11-08 Thread Chuck S
You're right, but they are very popular at moorings, particularly in the Carribean. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: "dwight" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 7:06:55 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List

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2013-11-08 Thread dwight
A 42 footer would be OK with me but they may not get too popular because of beam.at the dock _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S Sent: November 8, 2013 7:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dos

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2013-11-08 Thread Chuck S
below decks space, low draft and double speed potential…I have never sailed one but I would like to give one a try… From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo Sent: November 8, 2013 2:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C

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2013-11-08 Thread dwight
never sailed one but I would like to give one a try. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo Sent: November 8, 2013 2:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality Must be horribly tough

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2013-11-08 Thread Della Barba, Joe
getting a 2 or 4 ton crane to get bigger boats in and out. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 1:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose

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2013-11-08 Thread Indigo
he budget for people > now. > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome > Tauber > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 11:17 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Do

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2013-11-08 Thread Della Barba, Joe
getting a 2 or 4 ton crane to get bigger boats in and out. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 1:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality ... and launching

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2013-11-08 Thread Hoyt, Mike
other larger sport boats that are also standard with retractng keels From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 1:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C His

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2013-11-08 Thread Della Barba, Joe
boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome Tauber Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 11:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality It was the SR21 which was the SR Max designed by Glen Henderson. It is

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2013-11-08 Thread Jerome Tauber
recreate the old SR22. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:25 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality !!!

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2013-11-08 Thread Della Barba, Joe
List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:25 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality I hope the folks who commented on my earlier rant, particula

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2013-11-08 Thread Gary Nylander
t home. nowadays similar folks are using monster pickups with fifth wheel rigs or renting semis everything changes. Thats it. Gary Nylander - Original Message - From: Joe Della Barba To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List

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2013-11-08 Thread Hoyt, Mike
c-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History Hi Mike, Your Dad's wagon probably had the 351 (not the 350... a Chevy engine). With any luck it was a 351 Windsor and not the 351 Cleavland. Maybe even had a four barrel carb? Cheers, Russ Sweet 351 (35', m

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2013-11-08 Thread Della Barba, Joe
I guess one thing that bugs me is the 2nd generation of C&C designs REALLY stood out. The old Corvette style boats were (and are) nice boats, but they did look fairly similar to some other designs. The 30, 35, and 39 that followed around 1970 or so stood out like a Ferrari in a parking lot full

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2013-11-07 Thread Russ & Melody
Hi Mike, Your Dad's wagon probably had the 351 (not the 350... a Chevy engine). With any luck it was a 351 Windsor and not the 351 Cleavland. Maybe even had a four barrel carb? Cheers, Russ Sweet 351 (35', mk-1 :) At 08:57 AM 07/11/2013, you wrote: Content-class: urn:conten

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2013-11-07 Thread Russ & Melody
Hi Sam, ' looks like ya got yur "yours" backwards. Otherwise I agree, they're starting to sound like crotchety ol' men. :) Cheers, Russ At 06:03 PM 07/11/2013, you wrote: I've got a C&C because I was in love with them as a teenager. I'd lay in bed at night looking at C&C 's in my sa

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2013-11-07 Thread sam . c . salter
27;re fathers!sam :-)C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta  From: j...@svpaws.netSent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:17 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose

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2013-11-07 Thread Joe Della Barba
a From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 8:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality Hey guys, Reality check? We are probably not the best council for the n

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2013-11-07 Thread j...@svpaws.net
;C guys...and we'd > be off and running; new logo and all. > > Best, > > Ron > > > > -Original Message- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > j...@svpaws.net > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:44 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list

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2013-11-07 Thread Chuck S
ted out w sails and equipment. Just sayin'. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: "Ron Casciato" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:02:17 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of

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2013-11-07 Thread Ron Casciato
.net Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality Well, I agree with the sentiment if not the content. > Sabre...priced one of them lately. Actually... Yes (although they are no longer mak

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2013-11-07 Thread Ron Casciato
r 07, 2013 7:33 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality I agree with a lot of what you say, but you should check your arithmetic. Your boat is younger than you think. Steve. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:c

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2013-11-07 Thread j...@svpaws.net
Well, I agree with the sentiment if not the content. > Sabre...priced one of them lately. Actually... Yes (although they are no longer making sailboats). In fact I sold a 386 to return to C&C, albeit of the Tartan vintage. I don't regret the decision for a minute. I believe there are

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2013-11-07 Thread Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History; now a Dose of reality To the group... Just some thoughts to bring the conversation down to today's reality check.. I would advance that most of the listers in this group who own C&C boats actually own boats older than 1990.

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2013-11-07 Thread Ron Casciato
#x27;m one of the old C&C'ers..and I understand that I'm not in your new target market. My very best Wishes.. Ron Casciato IMPROMPTU C&C 38MKIIC, #125, '77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Will Harris Se

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2013-11-07 Thread Graham Collins
Best of luck Will. cheers, Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2013-11-07 4:11 PM, Will Harris wrote: Hi Group, I thought maybe I'd chime in on this C&C history thread. Dunes and I both go way, way back with C&C. We grew up in and around Youngstown which is right across the river

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2013-11-07 Thread Tim Goodyear
Will, I'm interested in hearing quite how much of a "cruiser" the 41 will be. I spent last Sunday delivering a Swan 42 (that is theoretically a cruiser / racer) down Buzzards Bay to Portsmouth, RI in 20-25 knots and I'm glad it wasn't only me and my wife out there... How do you think the planned

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2013-11-07 Thread Della Barba, Joe
essage- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Will Harris Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:12 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History Hi Group, I thought maybe I'd chime in on this C&C history thread. Dunes and I

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2013-11-07 Thread Rich Knowles
Nicely said, Will. As usual, doing anything new will be met with resistance and compromise is the dreaded thorn in the side of design. I wish you the best, even though I'm not sold on the logo:) Cheers Rich Knowles INDIGO 1981 LF38 Halifax, NS. On Nov 7, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Will Harris wrote:

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2013-11-07 Thread John irvin
A great read. Thanks Stu. -Original Message- From: Stu Sent: 06/11/2013 16:54 To: C&C Email List Subject: Stus-List Current C&C History Here is a good read – it’s on the new C&C Website: http://c-cyachts.com/new/about-cc/history/ Stu

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2013-11-07 Thread Will Harris
Hi Group, I thought maybe I'd chime in on this C&C history thread. Dunes and I both go way, way back with C&C. We grew up in and around Youngstown which is right across the river from Niagara-on-the-Lake. Our clubs are almost like one club, divided by a border. We grew up racing and sailin

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2013-11-07 Thread Hoyt, Mike
Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 1:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History My 35 draws 5 foot 4 inches or so. I am aground in my slip at low tide with a strong north wind. I can *barely* get through Kent Narrows at high tide and

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2013-11-07 Thread Frederick G Street
And while there’s plenty of water in Lake Superior, I’m happy for the 4’11” draft of the LF38; and I’ve never felt the boat was tender. The Kellenbaugh stability diagram supports that. So it IS possible to design for shallow draft, particularly if you don’t mind a long fin keel, as opposed to

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2013-11-07 Thread Della Barba, Joe
t@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History Gary 1980 was a great time. I was driving around in my Dad's Ford LTD wagon with a 350 CID V8 (correct me if that is not the exact model of engine), also drove a VW Rabbit with the 1.7 litre engine. Blue Horizon No.1 was to be deliv

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2013-11-07 Thread Hoyt, Mike
lf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History Like Joe said, I don't expect to see many of the new 30's and 41's on the Miles River. 7.5 to 8 foot draft! My slip is 5 feet at low tide (once

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2013-11-07 Thread Gary Nylander
Like Joe said, I don't expect to see many of the new 30's and 41's on the Miles River. 7.5 to 8 foot draft! My slip is 5 feet at low tide (once in a while, have to move the boat out to be ready for Wednesday night, as it may be stuck!). The saying around here (Chesapeake) is "if you haven't run

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2013-11-06 Thread Dennis C.
The way I look at it is this: While the label may say Nautica, Polo, Ralph Lauren, etc., most garments are made by VF Industries, Kellwood or a few other manufacturers.  Essentially, many of the clothes we wear today are distributed by companies that are primarily marketers. Looks like much the

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2013-11-06 Thread Jerome Tauber
The Redline 41 is essentially a newer King 40 from Summit Yachts and was probably designed as a Summit prior to the purchase of the C&C name. If you look at the Summit website you will see it is the same group that now owns the C&C brand. http://www.summit-yachts.com/.The Redline 41drawing

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2013-11-06 Thread Rich Knowles
Both the 30 and the 41appear to me to be the work of people obsessed with winning races. From my narrow point of view, that reduces the potential interested audience to a somewhat limited group of people in their 30's and 40's who happen to have enough cash and racing buddies to buy and crew a l

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2013-11-06 Thread Joe Della Barba
ella Barba Coquina j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 7:58 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History The logo is a mistake, having Barry Carroll (Barely Careful as he is know

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2013-11-06 Thread Jim Watts
#x27;m reading all this on my BlackBerry Z10. > I'm getting real depressed! > Sam :-) > > *From: *Bill Bina > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 6, 2013 5:38 PM > *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Reply To: *billb...@sbcglobal.net > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Current C&C His

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2013-11-06 Thread Hoyt, Mike
-Original Message- From: CnC-List on behalf of sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent: Wed 06/11/2013 20:49 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History I'm reading all this on my BlackBerry Z10. I'm getting real depressed! Sam :-) From: Bill Bina Sent: Wednesday,

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2013-11-06 Thread D Harben
real depressed! > Sam :-) > > From: Bill Bina > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 5:38 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Reply To: billb...@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History > > The new logo is a big mistake. > > Bill Bina > >

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2013-11-06 Thread sam . c . salter
I'm reading all this on my BlackBerry Z10.I'm getting real depressed! Sam :-)

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2013-11-06 Thread Bill Bina
The new logo is a big mistake. Bill Bina On 11/6/2013 7:12 PM, Leslie Paal wrote: i read the story, felt very hopeful. Then looked the 30' and I thought, that is NOT the spirit of C&C. I think a capable racer/cruiser would have better market than an other race only design. Time will tell;

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2013-11-06 Thread Leslie Paal
ix, C&C32 On Wed, 11/6/13, j...@svpaws.net wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Date: Wednesday, November 6, 2013, 3:27 PM I really hope I'm wrong, but I fear they are on the wrong path.  IMHO, the "magic" of C&

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2013-11-06 Thread j...@svpaws.net
I really hope I'm wrong, but I fear they are on the wrong path. IMHO, the "magic" of C&C was a true dual purpose well built boat. I don't see that in either of the current designs. There, now they'll go on to sell thousands of boats! John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 6, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Mo

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2013-11-06 Thread Monty Schumpert
Great article, Stu! Thanks, Monty Schumpert Scandia C&C 34+ Annapolis, MD Sent from my iPad > On Nov 6, 2013, at 4:53 PM, "Stu" wrote: > > Here is a good read – it’s on the new C&C Website: > > http://c-cyachts.com/new/about-cc/history/ > > Stu > __