Will, I'm interested in hearing quite how much of a "cruiser" the 41 will be. I spent last Sunday delivering a Swan 42 (that is theoretically a cruiser / racer) down Buzzards Bay to Portsmouth, RI in 20-25 knots and I'm glad it wasn't only me and my wife out there... How do you think the planned power / stability / controllability of the Redline compare to the similar sized Swan (other than the furling spin)?
Thanks, Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Will Harris <w...@waterlinesystems.com>wrote: > Hi Group, > > I thought maybe I'd chime in on this C&C history thread. > > Dunes and I both go way, way back with C&C. We grew up in and around > Youngstown which is right across the river from Niagara-on-the-Lake. Our > clubs are almost like one club, divided by a border. We grew up racing and > sailing with and against the Hinterhollers, Brimsmeads and all the C&C guys. > > My personal history actually pre-dates C&C by a fair bit. When we bought > our Shark, George didn't have an office per se, you went and had dinner > with the Hinterhoellers. Our families used to meet up for a few days most > summers cruising our Sharks in the Thousand Islands. Richard and I were > about the same age and Barbara and my sister were about the same age. > Gabrielle was practically a grown-up.. she was probably 12 when I was 9... > > Long story short, I knew George and his family and I'm pretty sure he > would approve of the 30! Two main reasons: First, it is really easy to > forget just how radical the Shark was in the day. Now, we're pretty used > to 24 foot boats planing.... in 1962 that just did not happen...except for > Sharks! > > Second- George is also pretty famous for telling a client who wanted > standing headroom in a 30 footer, "It is better to cut off your legs". > He was a no BS kinda guy. > > I follow this list and it's pretty fun. Sometimes I think that ya'll > forget that the C&Cs that are now serving as great cruising boats we NOT > cruising boats when they were new. C&C's bread and butter was performance > boats. They would go and win the SORC, They would build the Canadian > Admiral's Cup team and the string of Canada's Cup boats they did were > freaking amazing. People would buy the production boats and go race them > IOR, or in Ton classes. They were hot boats! > > Our Redline 41 is very true to the spirit of her ancestor. I grew up > racing on the mighty Pivot III, one of the original Redlines. I still see > her every week when I go Mumm30 sailing. They Awlgripped her ( still red ) > and removed the pulpits and lifelines. She looks awesome, kinda metre > boatish, very, very classic. That was a boat that won the SORC over-all. > ( Not Pivot, Condor). Also, she was the first boat to really carry the > C&C flag. (the boat company, not the design office) > > At this point in her life, she's a cruiser, but when she was new, she was > as crazy racy as a HPR boat is now. > > As far as our Redline looking like a MIlls boat.... she IS a Mills boat! > I would think that the C&C list more than anyone would understand that > designers develop a look! Go to Andy's office and if you can't pick out > the C&C models hanging on his wall, you need to turn in your C&C guy card! > > The Redline is going to be great for people who still want what C&C used > to offer, a world-class race boat with a yacht quality interior. You can > race her, cruise her and entertain your friends aboard her. There are a > few different interiors to choose from and some of the boats will be racier > and others cruisier. There is a shallower draft option, but it will still > draw a couple inches more than Andy's C&C 40. But just a couple. If i > know Andy, a 6 inch difference in draft would not change his thinking on > where he could go and where he couldn't go! > > Modern is not all bad. The new Redline is going to be MUCH easier for a > husband and wife team to actually sail than ANY previous C&C biggish boat. > Non overlapping jib, main halyard to a powered winch and a top down furler > on a sprit-flown genniker will make this a boat you will sail more and > motor less. > > On to the 30.. > > Back in the day, the 30 probably would have come from the Custom Shop. > They did a bunch of pretty 'out there' boats. They had the advantage of > having ton classes to race in. Say what you like about IOR, but it DID > make it pretty easy to build race boats have some boats to race against. > Today, the goal pretty much has to be one-design. We don't have a > Half-Ton Cup to go win. ( although, this boat will be about as fast as 2 > tonners used to be!) The pure C&C race boats of the past; Magistri, > Evergreen, Spirit ( C&C 38 one-tonner) or the half tonners, didn't pretend > to be cruisers either! > > The 30 is NOT a sportsboat. It is conceived as an entry-level grand prix > boat. You can race the short and medium distance races on her, smoke your > Wednesday night fleet and just have a blast. Someone compared it to the > MummFarr 30 and you nailed it. We are the builder for the Farr30 and in my > opinion, it is the best sailboat ever. She was the entry level grand-prix > boat of 1996. It's almost 2014 and time for a new best boat ever. > > I really do think that George H would heartily approve of the 30! He and > my Dad are probably up on Fiddler's Green boasting about how they'd cruise > that thing.... ( they would too, but they were slightly nuts) > > Someone else thought that the C&C30 was too racy for their needs and was > considering an Alerion 28. Excellent choice! We build those too. > > There are sooooo many C&Cs and soooo many different owners that it is > going to be hard to match up with what C&C means to all of you! Our plan > is to take the essence of what made C&C great and carry it forward. We > grew up with the brand and the people who created the brand were some of > our childhood heroes. We could have named our new line of performance > racers and racer cruisers anything we wanted. It was a ton of extra work > and money to be able to carry on the C&C name and tradition, but we felt it > was worth it. > > Why? Because that history means a lot to us. > > Will > > PS - Somebody doesn't like the new logo?!?!? Really. Come on....the flag > is flying again! > > PSS - I don't care how depressed you get, we are NOT bringing back the > aluminum toerails. Hiking on them for my entire childhood stunted my > growth! > > > > > > > > > -- > Will Harris > Waterline Systems > > 716-531-6088 > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com >
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