Joe I know all about shallow. Our bay is 13 ft deep in most areas and 30 feet in its deepest part. The channel we must navigate to get in and out of our marina is only 2 ft deep at moon low tide. I draw 5 feet (actually 4.9 ft) and must time my arrivals and departures around the tides. So OK - the Bay is not a suitable place for Ron Joyce to sail his former boat Detination Fox Harbr which drew 13 feet but it does work for most of us. Just because we are tide challenged does not mean we have to sail crappy boats though. One boat that sailed in our area was a wing keel Oday 27. That boat had the least issues with the tide of all the boats in our marina. OTOH the 5ft 4 in C&C 30s also sail out of there and have to be a lot more careful about the tide. I would pick the C&C 30 that is limited somewhat in its usage over that ODay that sailed like crap any day of the week. The 30 owners are very happy and there are half a dozen of them in our small marina - despite the bottom being too close to the surface. However - that does not prevent me from enjoying the idea of boats with proper dimensions. Across the Strait from us is Charlottetown with many 7 foot draft boats. Locally here in Halifax that is also not an issue. A OD race boat really does not go cruising so is not as restricted by shallow water as is a cruisng boat that goes many places and loves to find different anchorages all the time. Take a look at sales of J108 vs J109, J95 vs other Js. It seems that with modern "race" boats draft is not a huge factor in limiting sales as much as loss of performance by compromising the design can be. I will love to get a chance to see the new C&C30 sailing and especially to see how it competes agains the Farr 30s around here.Similarly a new C&C41 compared to the Soto 40 etc that are here. It will be interesting and in all likelihood there will be a whole lot more of these C&C30s sold than the C&C101 which has the creature comforts I crave but is likely too slow for the new boat racing market .... .. and then maybe - just maybe these boats will establish a reputation for the new company and they will start producing fast cruisers or cruisers that can be raced again like in the old days (2007, 1981, 1972, etc ....)
________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 1:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History My 35 draws 5 foot 4 inches or so. I am aground in my slip at low tide with a strong north wind. I can *barely* get through Kent Narrows at high tide and likewise Knapp's Narrows. Getting into Queenstown involves a few bumps to get in. Places I anchor in Rock Hall and St. Michaels leave us with a few inches under the keel at low tide. A boat that draws over 6 feet would be useless to me and 8 feet would be a bad joke. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History Gary 1980 was a great time. I was driving around in my Dad's Ford LTD wagon with a 350 CID V8 (correct me if that is not the exact model of engine), also drove a VW Rabbit with the 1.7 litre engine. Blue Horizon No.1 was to be delivered the next year (1981 C&C 36) . A couple of interesting points about draft and boats. Shallow realities have ruined some very nice designs (or compromised them to be less than they could be). Our 1979 George Hinterhoeller built Niagara 26 (which I always considered a C&C by the way ...) drew 4.0 ft. It was very tender. The design draft was 4ft 4 inches I believe but because the first dealer had to deal with a canal that was dredged to 4 ft the draft was changed by the time the boat went to production (and the next year the canal was dredged to 6 ft so it would not have made a differenece anyway). That was a great design for a 26 footer but imagine how much better had it had the extra ballast and draft? The Kirby 30 also suffered from a reduced draft in reality after the initial design for similar reasons. Finally the C&C 99 came out as a very nice boat with very good sailing characteristics. It had a Shoal keel option as well. Pressure from owners groups racing the boats in shallow areas such as Chesapeake had the standard keel dropped from production and replaced with the shoal keel as the only keel. Even worse was that a lot of existing owners switched to the shallower keel for OD racing ... and then the class died because the boat was compromised. I have sailed a lot on a SD C&C 99 and it sails very well. I have also seen one of the few with the opriginal keels and the carbon rig sailing. There is a huge difference in the performance! So I guess it is nice to see someone actually build a boat with the proper design draft even though that limits a lot pof places where it could be sailed. So yeah - I would love to have driven Dad's 1980 dolled out LTD wagon to the dock to jump on one of these new Farr 30 ish C&C30s to go for a sail. Would have been an absolute blast! Of course in 1980 I was 17 so I did not require the creature comforts I now desire on a boat. Guess I like the older C&Cs better now for that reason - because I am as old as those boats are! Mike ________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Current C&C History Like Joe said, I don't expect to see many of the new 30's and 41's on the Miles River. 7.5 to 8 foot draft! My slip is 5 feet at low tide (once in a while, have to move the boat out to be ready for Wednesday night, as it may be stuck!). The saying around here (Chesapeake) is "if you haven't run aground, you haven't been sailing on the Chesapeake". These will just make it easier to get stuck. I guess one goes with the times, and I guess I am stuck in the early '80's, just because I like the look of those boats - the new ones are pretty in a different sort of way, but the 41 looks like a hundred other 'cruiser/racers' with the emphasis on 'racer'. The 30 looks like a Farr 30, and I'm sure I could get one of those for a fraction of the price. Even after adding the bowsprit. Oh well. Gary Stuck in 1980 ----- Original Message ----- From: Stu <mailto:s...@cncphotoalbum.com> To: C&C Email List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Stus-List Current C&C History Here is a good read - it's on the new C&C Website: http://c-cyachts.com/new/about-cc/history/ Stu ________________________________ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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