Maybe I could try a reverse loop with my 30; but going uphill in early summer
during a flood might be sketchy.RonWild CheriSTL
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From: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Tuesday, June 4
III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:01 -0300
From: Knowles Rich
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Mark: With re
Off on a trip today, then have to play with my boat!
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
On Jun 4, 2013, at 12:24, Frederick G Street wrote:
> Andrew Burton, are you busy the next couple of months? :
Andrew Burton, are you busy the next couple of months? :^)
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
>
> Gee. I'm not sure, do you have someone specific in mind?
>
> If you know someone offering to deli
lle, Kentucky 40202
502-584-7255
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From: Dr. Mark Bodnar
To: cnc-list
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 11:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
Rich,
Nice try… :^)
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:09 AM, rick bushie wrote:
> I have a 30 I'll trade for a LF38 even up! Anyone?
>
> Rick Bushie
> Anchovy
> MD
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I have a 30 I'll trade for a LF38 even up! Anyone?
Rick Bushie
Anchovy
MD
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Well ya have had the 33 all of 2 years !;)
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Richard N. Bush
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 11:22 AM
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OK Mark, here's another tack you
Stevan,
Thanks for the feedback. I'm looking at similar decisions so good
to hear how it has worked for you.
I've got to get out at see a couple of 30's, 32's, 33's and 34's
that are available within a relatively short drive from here. I
like the qu
11:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
ich,
air comments. I'm trying to balance both sides of the equation.
omehow getting the boat that lets me move more into the "boating"
ifestyle, without making an all in jump.
aybe that partially explains the 2ftitis - peop
Rich,
Fair comments. I'm trying to balance both sides of the equation.
Somehow getting the boat that lets me move more into the "boating"
lifestyle, without making an all in jump.
Maybe that partially explains the 2ftitis - people taking small steps
in, finding they like it, and wanting to mo
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Mike
Sent: June 4, 2013 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question - CTC Moiture meter
Mark
When I had my boat surveyed last week the surveyor compared my Canadian Tire
Mastercraft moisture meter against the one he u
my opinion. Just google
boat share and see what comes up.
Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA
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From: Knowles Rich
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:01 -0300
Mark: With
Mark: With respect, I think you have a conundrum to deal with. You want a
bigger boat for all the right reasons, but appear to be unwilling or unable to
make the required investment in time, passion and money to make your dream a
reality. All the commentary you have received to date is from peo
f St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Also, I'm going to go against some of the recommendations .. the creature
Also, I'm going to go against some of the recommendations .. the creature
comforts, hot water, head, etc .. on an old boat these systems will be old
and likely need updating (some of them can be downright gross!). Unless
they have been updated recently I wouldn't put a lot of value on old
equipment
I just went through this .. I had a Mirage 24.
I think I'm younger than a lot of the listers here .. I'm not married, and
I don't have kids. I do however, have a girlfriend, we live together and we
sail together. I got her into sailing and she loves it, we call it "our
boat".
My requirements might
and a bone dry area reads 25%. On
the surveyor's moisture meter a dry area reads 15%
Mike
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Bodnar
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus
Mark,
I've never owned an A4, but I grew up on gas powered boats. Almost every
time we had engine problems they were related to the points/distributor.
I'd strongly recommend the digital ignition. Its a cheap upgrade.
Joel
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
>
> Dennis and
Dennis and Danny, Thanks for the additional comments on the A4's
From all my reading I've seen that diesels can cause major
headaches as well - so I guess it's more about getting an engine
that is running well.
As for the "Toy" comment - Rich, I well
o add some
of your own extras!
Danny
From my Android phone
Original message
From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar"
Date: 06/01/2013 4:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
Well that would be nice, but I'm not prepared to s
That's why they have loans. Use the bank's money.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar"
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 4:50:13 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
Mark,
Having had two AT4's, I can say I like the engine. I put electronic ignition on
my 1st one but stayed with the standard points and condenser on my second.
They were both dependable.
The issue I had with AT4's was not flammability. This issue is way overblown.
The real issue with AT4'
I'd go for the best value that you can get now.My biggest regret about sailing
is that I waited too long to buy my first boat.When I jumped in, I bought a
Venture 21 from a friend, three years later a San Juan 24 which was a nice boat
with full standing headroom, if you're 5ft 4in, and finally a
Understood. However, "Toy" may be the wrong word. For many of us it's a
consuming lifetime passion, a hobby with few equals, a wonderful replacement
for a summer cottage, and a terrific antidote for work.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2013-06-01, at 17:50, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote:
Wel
Well that would be nice, but I'm not prepared to sink that much
money into a "toy"
I know that I'll spend lots of money as time passes, but if I drop
$35G on the boat PLUS upkeep etc, well I'd need to save money for
a couple more years to afford that, right
Next bit of advice if you want to be comfortable: suggest increasing your
budget to at least 35k.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2013-06-01, at 13:05, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback. Some of the messages were lost to the list, but I
think I saw them in other re
Thanks for all the feedback. Some of the messages were lost to
the list, but I think I saw them in other responses.
Clearly the first thing I need to do is get on a bunch of boats,
figure out the space. I've tried to guess at how we are going to
us
Whatever the size, more important than that if anything within a certain
size range is a contender is condition, condition and condition.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
>
> I'm still looking at boats, reading emails from this list and learning
> lots. Right now I'm sit
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
>
> We needed a boat with more headroom and storage than our Rhodes 22 because we
> enjoyed that boat so much we knew we wanted to overnight/take trips more. (So
> bigger than 22)
>
> We needed to b
Rhode Runner?
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Lias
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
We needed a boat with more headroom
Lisa,
I'll be moving my 35/3 to South River from Annapolis in August if all goes
as planned. Hope to see you on the Bay.
Joel
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On May 30, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Lisa Lias wrote:
We needed a boat with more headroom and storage than our Rhodes 22 because
we enjoyed that boat so muc
We needed a boat with more headroom and storage than our Rhodes 22 because we
enjoyed that boat so much we knew we wanted to overnight/take trips more. (So
bigger than 22)
We needed to be able to handle it with 2 of us. (Don't know the realistic upper
limit but we didn't look over 39 or so)
We
Hmm. Good list, but... If one is prone to indecision and second guessing, this
simply adds to the huge pile of considerations to ponder before you can go
sailing. Perhaps better to decide on a popular make like C&C that will be
resellable, get a couple of knowledgeable friends you believe in, an
Nice list!
I might add PHRF, electronics, sail inventory, holding tank, pressure
water, hot water heater.
Joel
Sent from my iPad
On May 30, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Dennis C." wrote:
One of my crew is looking for a boat, his first. I sent him a list of
things to consider. Here's most of them.
Bri
One of my crew is looking for a boat, his first. I sent him a list of things
to consider. Here's most of them.
Bridge clearance- friend of mine has a nice big boat that can't get under
several critical bridges leading to some prime sailing. Touche' is even too
tall to get under some bridges
A gentleman who had sailed an Endeavor 37 repeatedly to South America,
cautioned my wife and I to stay below 35 feet. He explained that in his
opinion over that and the systems and maintenance become unwieldy. He
further explained that many of the "boat show" boats jam 3 berths and two
heads into
Hi Mark,
My wife (the Admiral) suggested that I add one more point. This is somewhat
closely based on our experience with moving to a larger boat.
- when you buy a new boat, be prepared for an experience quite similar to
buying a large piece of furniture at IKEA, bringing it home and trying to
Good questions. You'll do fine finding a good boat.
I never had "two foot itis". I started with a 13' Sunfish, to a Cape Dory 22',
sold that and windsurfed for 15 yrs, and then fell in love with our present 36
footer, the 34R. So much depends on what you want to do with the boat and how
many ne
f the
annoyances that you will find with any boat you are on.
James
"Delaney"
1976 C&C 38
Oriental, NC
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From: "Martin DeYoung"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
... At what point is it more wo
... At what point is it more work and you wish for a smaller/cheaper boat?
I figure most want the smaller boat when in the yard doing maintenance and the
bigger boat when underway and Poseidon is getting his knickers in a bunch.
Both my wife and Calypso's co-owner have mentioned how they preferr
Our first larger boat was a C&C 34. Cruising with my wife and 3 younger
daughters was great. We would cruise for up to 5 weeks a year. With a nice
galley and head with shower everyone was happy. She was large and stabile
enough to sail off the coast of Washington from Portland to Puget Sound a
On May 29, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:
> … and remember when docking that "slow is pro."
Andrew: you might want to add, "except in a blow." If you've got a crosswind,
you're going to want to keep steerageway, otherwise your bow is gonna blow
down. A couple of years ago, I watched
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Risch
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:49 PM
To: CNC CNC
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
For me it was simple...
There are what I call "boat sectors". Size bands that incorporates
additional amenities (some call th
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> > From: barro...@mac.com
> > Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:38:38 -0400
>
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
> >
> > Last July 3rd, I finished a
d she makes me look
good.
David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
> From: barro...@mac.com
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 13:38:38 -0400
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
>
> Last July 3rd, I finished a year or two search of soul and b
Last July 3rd, I finished a year or two search of soul and boats and became an
ecstatic if not wary owner of late seventies C&C 33. I wanted a cruiser with
club racing credentials.
First allow me to add to the boat adages. Boat is not a word but an
abbreviation for Break Out Another Thousand.
"And remember, there's more to life than sailing, "
Huh?
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> And remember, there's more to life than sailing,
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Hi Mark,
Obviously your mileage would vary.
But... I just went through that process last year. As
someone mentioned, the most important is to decide what kind of sailing you are
going to do
Mark -- when the sailing bug bit me, I wanted a boat that could handle my
family (wife and two fairly young girls) for weekends and the occasional longer
vacation. Being on Lake Superior, I also wanted a boat that was sturdy enough
to handle "big water"; and I knew it would have to be used, as
Hi Mark,
Obviously your mileage would vary.
But... I just went through that process last year. As someone mentioned, the
most important is to decide what kind of sailing you are going to do (or should
I say, "what you are going to use your bout for" (you might want to use it for
not sailing)).
My first boat was a 26 footer. I knew nothing about buying a boat, but bought
it based on emotions. I was single, so the decision was all mine. I raced and
cruised on it for ten years, and while it wasn't the ideal boat, it gave me
pleasure for those ten years. Two years after I got married, we
We went with a 30. Criteria: enough room in the V-berth to sleep two (one at
6 feet and one at 5'8). Stove, water (pressure), shower., cocktails 8, feeds
5-6, sleeps 2. Diesel, stout, six feet of headroom to mast, lower forward of
that.
Downsides, two in a V berth is still crowded, it rocks a
I had to weigh in, for the fun if for no other reason. My family started
with a Catalina 22, but 5 of us (son being 6'3"), it barely lasted a season.
Havre de Grace has 2 marinas that put on sale events in the fall and we fell
for our current (more on what that means later) boat.a C&C-32. I'l
ail folder but none there. What's my
next step?RonWild CheriC&C 30STL
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question-Warning, a little long winded!
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 7:49 AM
Hi Mark,
Or, think of the happiness you get when you sell the old boat and buy the
new...it is a double your happiness event!!!
-- Original Message --
From: Andrew Burton
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:13:22
ll updated and well maintained, pay the market
value and have the yard do all the work. Oh to dream... Anyway, I hope this
helped a little! It was kind of therapeutic for me!!! LOL DannyLolita1973
Viking 33Westport Point, MA
-- Original Message --
From: Russ & Melody
To:
I went from a Pearson 28 to my 35/3. The Pearson was great for day sails,
had a diesel and wheel. It lacked a stove and a comfortable bunk for 2.
It sailed much better than its rating but lacked a furler and chute.
The 35 is more work, has more thru-hulls, electronics, pumps etc, but it is
wort
Mark,
When I was contemplating buying my boat (I ended up with a 35mk III) the broker
I was working with really grilled me as to what my intended uses would be for
the boat. That 30 minute discussion really crystallized my thinking and
resulted in my getting what has proved to be the ideal boat
I can't really help with your decision, but I would like to correct the
"happiest day" nonsense. I've rarely been more heartbroken than when I watched
someone else leave with my much-loved boat. In addition to Peregrine, I still
have a 30-foot daysailer I can't bear to part with because she's su
Hi Mark,
As you already know there is no simple answer.
But here are the dimension for the perfect boat:
Cocktails for 6
Dinner for 4
Sleeps 2
Seriously, 30' is ideal for light sailing with a weekend & a bit
away. Bigger gets more toys tolerated and comfort underway
(especially if you actually
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