That sounds like the last call at the Manhattan Ballroom, 15 miles out of
Saskatoon. That's where I saw Burton Cummings and the Guess Who in their
early days.
All those people, hurling in the bushes, cars in the ditch all the way back
to the highway. Man, I miss that. : )
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
Nothing complicated, more of a heads up. Basically the Raymarine documentation
appears to indicate pretty clearly that the SPX-5 can be connected directly to
ST60
instruments using the Seatalk ( 1 ) cabling and protocol. A comment on the page
states:
SeaTalk cable, carries:
- 12V power from Cour
Wow.
And here I thought it was one of my original ideas. I've been doing
this since 1979 (on various boats) in order to eliminate a
through-hull opening. The minimized stink was an unintended benefit.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
At 11:12 AM 17/01/2014, you wrote:
This works re
With the talk of GPS etc storage in ovens, it got me thinking about lightning
strikes in general. My 27 Mk5 has some fat welding cables bonding the shroud
chain plates on each side to the largest of my keel bolts. I hope this is
adequate protection but of course all lightning protection is purel
BTW, you may want to place a slice of bread in your faraday cage/oven with your
VHF. That way you can prove to the insurance company, it got struck by
lightning when you show them the toast?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Burton"
Gives new meaning to "One for the ditch!"
Rich
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 22:11, Jim Watts wrote:
>
> Small ditch bag. We barely have room for the potato chips and nachos even
> without the electronics.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
>
>> On 17 January 2014 17:4
Sounds like the foundation of an compelling argument for a larger
boat..."that way we can get a larger oven...so we can store a larger ditch
bag." ;-)
On Jan 17, 2014 9:11 PM, "Jim Watts" wrote:
> Small ditch bag. We barely have room for the potato chips and nachos even
> without the electronics
Small ditch bag. We barely have room for the potato chips and nachos even
without the electronics.
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
On 17 January 2014 17:49, Josh Muckley wrote:
> I ran into a couple that would store their whole ditch bag in the oven.
> VHF radio, gps...the
I ran into a couple that would store their whole ditch bag in the oven.
VHF radio, gps...the whole works. Said it was a great out of the way place
to store stuff and they could get it in a hurry.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
On Jan 17, 2014 1:38 PM, "Don Newman" wrote:
> This should significantly
Graham -- yes, I do. $1025 for the a75 WiFi with Navionics Gold charts. I
should double-check to make sure there's no difference in price for the
Canadian charts .
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:44 PM,
I tried the A75 wifi version at the boat show - I had downloaded the
RayControl app on my tablet ahead of time. I walked up, reset the
wi-fi, and was connected to it before the rep could get over to see what
I was doing. Works a treat, easy to set up, and on my shopping list.
Fred - do you s
I had a near-hit a while back that appeared to send a charge through the prop
and shaft. Everything is grounded to the diesel and nothing else on the boat.
Fried an old battery monitor and the 110-volt battery charger; Everything else
was fine.
I was anchoring the boat at the time as the storm
I was once standing in a doorway less than 50 feet from a huge oak tree
that got struck as I watched. The power involved is unimaginable. The
idea that you can do anything at all to steer, or deter such a large
force is wishful thinking at best. No amount of #2 gauge ground wires is
going to me
The big mystery about lightning is just that - you never know what it is going
to do. I've had a half dozen friends whose boats have been struck. On my
buddy's Thunderbird (plastic one), he couldn't understand why the boat was
taking on water. Nothing was bothered except the depth sounder, which
Yes, I have two thru-hulls there - one for the speed wheel and the other for
the depth. Plus the hubs for the mast wiring (one for the Nexus system and the
other for the lights). The speed is pretty far forward and as close to the
centerline as possible and the depth is back a ways and a little
I installed an E7 on Alera to interface with my ST60 stuff and a
converter cable was needed to link the older seatalk to the newer
seatalk. It was irritating but not too complicated, mostly just a
little head scratching and an additional spend. That said, I rarely
use the E7, except for backu
I don’t want to get into a scientific discussion, but the main point about
lighting strikes and faraday cages is that the amount of energy in the lighting
strike is huge and the faraday cages that we use (ovens, antistatic bags,
aluminum foil wrap and even many of the commercially available cage
I have a friend who is very proud of using a road atlas to bring his Tartan
30 from New York to Boston a few years back (way before GPS). There is
much less to worry about with all that plain blue in Long Island Sound
rather than seeing the tiresome rocks and shoals...
Tim
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014
Doesn't look like they are going to sell hull# 2 on this boat! At least not
without going back to the drawring board.
Pretty much everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Shows again that
rudders are the wrong place to try to save weight. Also, if you really think
things are so bad you need to
The Brits have been dealing with these kinds of novice sailors for years; this
one from 2000:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/sailor-using-road-map-to-navigate-is-rescued-710914.html
And another from 2012:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2167297/Lost-yachtsman-Andy-Bro
This works really well on Cat's Paw. I learned about it on this list a year or
so ago and I implemented it last winter. Someone said the idea originated with
the lady who has published extensively about marine toilets (name eludes me) -
Danny - you talked to her by telephone a few months ago -
Agreed — no way to know for sure if it’s working, or just back-siphoning.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Jan 17, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:
> I would never want an underwater bilge pump discharge. I know this
>- is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?<
> Better for sun and rain considerations.>
>... you can only see it when you are behind the wheel.<
Calypso has an 14 yr old Raytheon RL70 radar/chartplotter system with displays
at both the nav station and the helm.
The h
This should significantly improve the odds of survival of electronics stored in
the oven.
But it isn't impossible that a GPS sitting loose on the chart table would
survive while one on the oven is fried by rf generated from current induced in
the body of the oven.
We experienced every combina
Wow! O.K than I must find a way to get both forward. I have no intention
of backing up thats for sure.
Thanks.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Bill Bina wrote:
> Your SONAR projects a pretty narrow beam, Curtis. It is like looking
> through a telescope. At close range, you have a very narrow
John, nice website!
I too had to upgrade the SeaTalk to a SeaTalk NG backbone. It was actually
easy.
I had tried hard to get the E7 communicating with other instruments via NMEA
but could not make it all work.
Am presently thinking an A65 or A75 is an expensive solution to this
problem.
Will hopef
Sounds as if an emergency rudder would have been useless in this
particular case. The one of two rudders that was still intact, was bent,
and permanently steering pretty hard in one direction only.
Bill Bina
On 1/17/2014 1:05 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:
I guess that's why you need an alternate mea
In this instance, the rudders were really the problem as they were jammed
askew. from reading Charlie's explanation, their only option would have
been to drop the rudders, something he says they thought about but could do
because they float.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM,
Your SONAR projects a pretty narrow beam, Curtis. It is like looking
through a telescope. At close range, you have a very narrow view. In
shallower water, it may not even cover the width of your boat.
A typical Sonar beam is about 20 degrees. The footprint in 10 feet of
water is a little over
I guess that's why you need an alternate means of steering in the event of
a rudder failure when doing an offshore race. My emergency rudder is 90%
done. Just waiting for some bolts.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:
>
> Wow. I'm a little in shock f
Steve,
I had a similar need with my E-80 and installed a Raymarine A50 at the helm
but had to also install a converter for sea talk to sea talkNG so the units
could talk to each other. You may not have to do this with the E7. See
arpeggio1984.info web site under projects 2013 for further details.
Agreed Joe. It is far better to plumber it through the bilge and out
the back and loose some efficiency than go under.
But if a guy is heading down that path I feel compelled to offer the
best solution I can. (And saving a hundred bucks or more on install
costs is a bonus.)
Cheers,
Wow. I'm a little in shock from that.
I had watched the construction of the Alpha 42 from when they first
announced the boat - all the info on the boat looked good but maybe
the systems and final results where not everything they had hoped for.
Terrible all around. For the couple to los
Its a manual Whale Gusher. There is no way I can see to run the line so it
is above the water line unless I run it up from under the dinette to
somewhere in the head.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Della Barba, Joe
wrote:
> I would never want an underwater bilge pump discharge. I know this f
The forward dinette seat? I have a drain there fro the head and t
electrical buses for the mast wiring? Think it would work?>
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Gary Nylander wrote:
> Curtis, your 30 is not cored - at least below the water line. I've
> mounted a transducer in mine - under the d
Curtis, your 30 is not cored - at least below the water line. I've mounted a
transducer in mine - under the dinette seat - all solid glass.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Curtis
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Setting
I would never want an underwater bilge pump discharge. I know this from waking
up to knee-deep water in Rock Hall one night. Just Say No and run it out a
normal above-the-waterline fitting!
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK 1
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rus
Hi Joel,
That's not a bad idea if you can fit a float type cockpit drain in
the heads basin drain. This is from a UK supply but you get the idea.
http://www.force4.co.uk/4585/Force-4-Cockpit-Non-Return-Drain.html
Two details of importance:
- the bilge pump goes to the large port of the Groco m
This is an informative site about Faraday Cages:
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Faraday_cage.html
We had them at maintenance shops located at TV and radio transmitter sites to
enable interference-free equipment testing in high RF environments. Direct
lightning strikes on t
I was thinking that I would need to separate them so as not to interfere
with each other? I was thinking my C&C30 MK1 was a solid Glass bottom "Not
Cored)? if the new transducers can see 300 feet deep can it not see
forward the 25' of separation from one end to the other of the boat?
Thanks
On
Thanks, Marek. Understood. I misinterpreted the email.
Rich
On Jan 17, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Marek Dziedzic wrote:
You need the radio. It just happen that in the iPads, Apple implemented GPS
radio together with their cellular data radio. So you only need the radio (GPS
receiver) in the iPa
Steve — you might consider one of the new Raymarine “a” series displays;
cheaper than the e7, and they play well together on the Seatalk HS/Raynet
network. Even the smallest a65 has the network connection, and can share all
the data and control the system. Advantages over the iPad solution are
Steve,
My E7 is at the helm. The problem is that you can only see it when you are
behind the wheel. I have not tried the Ray app on the IPad, but for the
Bermuda race I intend to use a RamMount and a waterproof case so I can
mirror the E7 and swivel the IPad from side to side. I installed a pow
I've checked my mother's lasagna recipe again, and sure enough, she
recommends mixing in a handheld VHF.
I know if I kept anything in my oven, it'd get baked eventually. :)
Andy
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:
> And that is why so many cruisers recommend putting a spare V
And that is why so many cruisers recommend putting a spare VHF/GPS or
whatever in the oven.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: "Ben"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 9:38 AM
Subject: Stus-List Electronics GPS
One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you
I would get the in-hull transceiver. P79, if memory serves me right. This is
what I did. I don’t like making holes in the hull, if I don’t have to. There
was a lot of discussion on the installation topic here and in other forums. The
short version of that all is to install it where you want it (
Verry interesting.
I had the pleasure of meeting Hank Schmidt as crew on a boat participating in
one of his NARC rallies from St. Martin to Newport
several years ago.
He is also runs OPO, {Offshore Passagemaking Opportunities) which is kind of
an online match making service between crew and
You need the radio. It just happen that in the iPads, Apple implemented GPS
radio together with their cellular data radio. So you only need the radio (GPS
receiver) in the iPad, not the service. In other words, you need the
capability, not the coverage.
Marek
--
Me
Two years ago I replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur) with a
Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up at the chart
table, same place as the old one.
The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.
However over past 2 summe
If you have transducers working on the same frequency you will get
crosstalk. If you have one instrument @ 50 Hz and one @ 200 Hz there should
be no problem.
You can get around this by mounting the transducers very far apart, but
apart from showing you what you just hit I don't see much point in ha
I agree. It would likely make it worse.
BTW - trivia fact for you all - the most common mode of lightning damage I
worked on was a lightning hit on another boat or power pole that came up the
shore power cord.
Joe Della Barba
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ji
The oven-as-Faraday-cage urban legend has been around a long time. It *might*
work, but having been in the repair biz and having worked on a ton of lightning
damaged boats, I would NOT COUNT ON IT. The damage can be incredibly variable
and random. I had lightning blow my VHF antenna off and not
I think connecting the "cage" to ground would nullify the protection.
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
On 17 January 2014 07:25, dwight wrote:
> I read your post Jim, guess some others did not…or maybe just wanted
> thought what you wrote needed to be restated and embell
I read your post Jim, guess some others did not.or maybe just wanted thought
what you wrote needed to be restated and embellished.
No one mentioned but I believe the Faraday cage may need to be connected to
ground, otherwise where do the electrons go
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It was also courtesy of me, yesterday.
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
On 17 January 2014 06:38, Ben wrote:
> One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get
> hit by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried
> even if it
Andrew,
Good point. The current manifolds mix intake and discharge. I've never
tried using the head with the Y Valve set to discharge, but it could be
ugly!
Joel
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Burton wrote:
> I like the idea of cutting down the number of holes in the bottom, but I
> t
What about watches, Ben? I always used to keep a casio digital watch in my
sextant box. But it occurs to me that it might be toast, too, in the event
of a lightning strike.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Ben wrote:
> One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation in
This story is starting to get general media coverage, but here is a
first person account from Charles Doane, who was aboard, and is also
Executive Editor of Sail Magazine...
http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/558-helicopter-evacuation-abandoning-be-good-too
Bill Bina
_
I like the idea of cutting down the number of holes in the bottom, but I
think through hull manifolds are better used for intakes. You would
certainly need a check valve in each drain line if you had them sharing a
thru-hull.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Joel Aronson wro
One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get hit
by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried even if
it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion alternatives
including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a han
When towing the dink, I attach a heavy floating line to it with a strong
caribiner. The painter's just for docking. The caribiner clips on a
little towing bridle.
Wal
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All,
I am having thru hulls replaced and reconfigured. I'm considering running
two lines (Heads sink drain and emergency manual bilge pump in the cabin)
into a single thru hull and using a Groco manifold such as this:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_11151_10001_475791
I do all my passage / route planning on a laptop (Offshore Navigator) - mostly
in the comfort of my home - so I can closely look at the planned track using
large scale electronic charts to ensure it safely avoids all charted hazards. I
the upload the defined waypoints to my tach GPS - this avoid
I have a new Garmin ECho 50s
I would love to know how to set the wind gauge up to the ST50 Gauge and
the Garmin at the same time. I know it can be done . I want to keep 2
different depth sounders one in the New Garmin transducer and one in the
older st50. One question on that topic? should I put t
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