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Dear all!
We have solved a structure at 2.2 A resolution. We see this interesting density
near a Tyrosine. It is not fully aligned, like pi stacking. Otherwise,
negatively charged or polar residues surround the smaller 'head'
Good Luck!
Best regards,
Maria
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Dear Nick,
I like your idea and your comments on this substance. 1,2-hexandiol
supposed to be chiral but probably it is used as a racemic mixture in
cosmetics. There is even a crystal structure in the PDB (4EUS) and an
associated 3 letter code. I´ll give it a try because it seems to fit
nicel
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Subject: [ccp4bb] unknown density in 1.6 A structure
I'm struggling with the electron density shown in the attachment. The
substance does not seem to come from the crystallization condition nor
Dear Peer,
This reminds me of my colleague Michael Rossmann's discovery of a Pocket
Factor which is a fatty acid-like molecule residing in a hydrophobic pocket
underneath the "canyon" in enteroviruses. See
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13238-014-0092-6. You likely
have an endogenous
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I'm struggling with the electron density shown in the attachment. The
substance does not seem to come from the crystallization condition nor
from the mounting buffer. The 1.6 A maps are rather clear, becaus
Hi Peer,
If I understand you correctly you are saying that you do not know what
substance may be in the density; then perhaps you only need to extend by
an extra atom to create a new kind of symmetrical molecule that will fit
the density?
BW,
D
On 03/06/2021 11:55, SHEPARD William wrote:
Hi Peer,
Have you tried to model the hydroxyl O1 disordered at the carbonyl
position? Check the H-bonding pattern to the end groups, this might give
some clues.
Cheers,
Bill
Le 03/06/21 12:50, « Peer Mittl » a écrit :
>I'm struggling with the electron density shown in the attachment. The
>
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>> Cooper <488a26d62010-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk>
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>>
>> Definitely water pentamer, no doubt at all ;-0
>
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> Cooper <488a26d62010-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk>
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>
> Definitely water pentamer, no doubt at all ;-0
> Cheers, J
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Definitely water pe
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Hi
Please look at the pic attached. found similar pentagon water network.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 12:40 PM Jon Cooper
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Definitely water pentamer, no doubt at all ;-0
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On 22 Mar 2021, 14:16, Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
> The ring looks too big to be imidazole or a nucleotide or a carbohydrate, so
> it’s probably mainly water molecules.
> P
The ring looks too big to be imidazole or a nucleotide or a carbohydrate, so
it’s probably mainly water molecules.
Perhaps partially replaced by PEG to explain the density between them (i.e.
water molecules in most copies of the protein and PEG in some other copies).
I’ve seen horse-shoe shaped
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Hello fellow colleagues
Hope you are all well while the pandemics persists. I just wonder if anyone
may have an idea what this density (looking like a pentagon) might be. The
data was collected to 1.8 A and crystal was grown in Bis-tris + PEG3350.
Imidazole residual? Nucleotide (the protein itself
Hi Nick,
It sometimes helps tweaking the solvent mask settings. In Refmac the command
for the option is 'solvent optimise'. PDB-REDO uses this function as well.
Cheers,
Robbie
On 31 May 2019 10:53, Nicholas Keep wrote:
There is no blue (2fo-fc) density at least at the current contour level
in
There is no blue (2fo-fc) density at least at the current contour level
in your difference density. That probably indicates what you are seeing
is noise rather than a real feature.
I am also seeing more intense (above 7 sigma in some cases) positive
difference density without actual density i
Oops. I meant to say that Ca2+ usually has seven coordinating atoms.
Mg2+ usually has six. Sorry for the error.
-Daniel
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. <
danielmhim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rajesh,
>
> Ca2+ usually is coordinated by five atoms, whereas Mg2+ usually is
>
I would not rely only on coordination numbers, since Ca2+ can be also
hepta-coordinated. You can look at the high resolution structures of
parvalbumin and nucleoside hydrolases. And, although not up to date, this site
is also useful http://mespeus.bch.ed.ac.uk/tanna/ . The anomalous map
sugges
Rajesh,
Ca2+ usually is coordinated by five atoms, whereas Mg2+ usually is
coordinated by six. I've seen that a lot in structures that I've
determined.
-Daniel
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Eleanor Dodson <
176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote:
> You just calculate a anom ma
You just calculate a anom map - it doesnt need you to dselect Ca or Mg or
anything else..
Judge the peak heights by the signal you get over any S sites in the model.
The relative signal you expect depends on your wavelength of course.
Eleanor
On 7 March 2018 at 19:09, Rajesh Kumar wrote:
> Hi I
Hi Ivan,
https://csgid.org/csgid/metal_sites/
suggest that Mg++ is the correct metal. Ca++ is not acceptable.
I am going to validate it by calculating anomalous peak for Ca++ too.
Thank you
Rajesh
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Ivan Shabalin <
iva...@iwonka.med.virginia.edu> wrote:
> Hi, Raj
Hi, Rajesh,
It does look like Ca to me. It has around 2.4 A distances to waters and
quite many electrons (18), which correspond to rather wide and high
density peak in the middle.
Mg has distances at 2.07, and 10 electrons (should be a smaller peak).
Na has 2.41 distances to waters, 10 elect
Hi Rajesh,
It might be water molecules present at the symmetry axis, one more water
molecule at the centre (exactly at the axis, with occupancy of 0.5). If you
put three water molecule you probably may find the other three
symmetry-mates water molecules in opposite sides. OR One water molecule at
Hi Rajesh,
You may find this database is also useful while refining your model
http://mespeus.bch.ed.ac.uk/MESPEUS_10/
and for calcium
http://mespeus.bch.ed.ac.uk/MESPEUS_10/_5.jsp
Abhik
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 10:59 PM, Patrick Loll wrote:
> Calcium likes to form octahedral complexes with w
Calcium likes to form octahedral complexes with water (or other
oxygen-containing) ligands. This looks like a classic example.
After you model and refine this, you’ll want to check water-metal distances, to
make sure they are appropriate for calcium. There is a nice literature on such
things,
You could try to put CA (as you have CA in your crystallisation condition) and
waters for coordinating atoms. If after refinement distances are around 2.3-2.4
(if I remember correctly) and B values of atoms (CA and waters) are consistent,
i.e. similar to each other then CA is good interpretation
Hi Rajesh,
Can you please let everyone know the buffer/reagents involved throughout the
process.
Also, how strong is the density? In other words, until what contour level you
see it in the Fo-Fc map?
Anyways, looking at the shape, it looks well coordinated - could be cacodylate?
Or water, am
Hi Hussain,
Crystallization condition is 200 mM CaCl2 and 20% PEG 3350.
I some what realized that it could be Ca++ with coordinated waters. But I
really wanted to have
second opinion from our group.
Thank you every one.
-Rajesh
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Hussain Gps wrote:
> Hi Raje
Mg2+(H20)6 ?
> On 6 Mar 2018, at 22:19, Rajesh Kumar wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Have you had experience with this kind of density? I am wandering what this
> could be?
>
> Thank you very much for the help.
>
> -Rajesh
>
>
>
>
It looks like 6 coordinated metal atom with coordinated (possibly) with waters.
The simplest case could be NA. You could use anomalous difference map to see if
there is any anomalous signal there.
Regards
Garib
On 6 Mar 2018, at 22:19, Rajesh Kumar wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Have you had experi
Dear all,
Thank you very much for help!
The problem was solved very easy (thanks Dominik A. Herbs). I just used another
program for refinement (Refmac5 instead Phenix.refine) and this "noisy" density
almost disappeared.
http://www.4sync.com/photo/--e2gHrG/Density-Refmac5.html
Thanks a lot for
Dear Pavel,
you should also always consider your cryoprotectant molecules, so let's say
if you used PEG for cryoprotection, there's a very high probability you may
see it in your structure. It's very hard to say from the snapshots, but
for the patch of density depicted in fig.2 I would try PEG (of
Dear Pavel,
Is this density located on a symmetry axis?
There is quite often a lot of "noise" around these regions - and it may not, in
fact, be possible to model this satisfactorily.
Tony.
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Genome Damage and Stabili
> Juergen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 May 2011 14:06
> *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density
>
>
>
> I take the lysine back, just realized wrong color coding it's an oxygen and
> not a nitrogen closer to the extra density :-)
>
> Jürge
Bosch,
Juergen
Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 14:06
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density
I take the lysine back, just realized wrong color coding it's an oxygen and not
a nitrogen closer to the extra density :-)
Jürgen
On May 18, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Bosch, Juergen wrote:
I take the lysine back, just realized wrong color coding it's an oxygen and not
a nitrogen closer to the extra density :-)
Jürgen
On May 18, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Bosch, Juergen wrote:
But that's a lysine, so maybe a PTM ? Acetylated perhaps ?
Jürgen
On May 18, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Shiva Bhowmik wrot
But that's a lysine, so maybe a PTM ? Acetylated perhaps ?
Jürgen
On May 18, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Shiva Bhowmik wrote:
Hi Cedric,
I presume you collected the datset at a synchrtron source. It could be free
radical generated due to X-ray radiation has modified the glutamate residues. I
have seen
Hi Cedric,
I presume you collected the datset at a synchrtron source. It could be free
radical generated due to X-ray radiation has modified the glutamate
residues. I have seen this happening for Ser residues.
Cheers,
Shiva
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:08 AM, cedric bauvois wrote:
> Hi, everyone
Oct 2010 17:21:31 +0200
> From: herman.schreu...@sanofi-aventis.com
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>
> Hi Priscalla and Flip,
>
> I did not bother to find out what format the maps had, I just loaded
> them in coot with no problems. I fi
and not PEG.
Good luck!
Herman
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Priscila Oliveira de Giuseppe
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Hi Flip,
Following your suggestion
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To: Priscila Oliveira de Giuseppe
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density
Hi Priscilla,
I don't think a lot of people will take the trouble to find out for
themselves which format your map files have... Its better to send screen
shots, better still t
Hi,
I did a little bit of "modeling" in your density (starting from a
nicotinamide ring, the positioned nicotinamide is enclosed). The middle
part looks suspiciously like a 6 membered ring. Could it be a molecule
in a half-chair conformation? There is only the blob that is
perpendicular to th
8:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density
I think there is at least one more option here (relevant at least in some rare
cases):
Identifying what that something is likely to be can be significant and may
advance your career
Of course it is important to present sup
ing¹ potentially wrong and misleading in:
> could be detrimental to your career
>
> BR
>
>
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> Schleider
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:18 AM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Su
Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
> as it appears to bear near the guanidine group of an arginine, I would
> suggest it is a partially occupied and disordered sulphate and/or
> phosphate.
> whether this is practically modellable is another matter, a sulphate at
> occ. 0.5 is an option, or putting a water wi
I agree with many others: this is quite possibly sulfate or phosphate.
If collected at 1.54A the anomalous map should help identify the
presence of sulfur. Sulfate or phosphate may be present at lower than
full occupancy. I would refine everything else you reasonably know in
the model (includin
: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:18 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] unknown density
Dear all,
I found some fairly substantial density in the active site of my protein
structure. But I don´t know what it should be. My crystallisation condition
consists of lithium sulfate, citrate
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:26 +0100, Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
> as it appears to bear near the guanidine group of an arginine, I would
> suggest it is a partially occupied and disordered sulphate and/or
> phosphate.
If it's a sulphate, a look at the anomalous map should show something.
--
Hi Katja,
What I personally do in such a situation is to start to fill the density
by water oxygen atoms, refine a bit (the position plus the isotropic
temperature factors) and then compute a new map. Usually it has cleared
up somewhat, thus allowing you to find out what it really is. This is
as it appears to bear near the guanidine group of an arginine, I would
suggest it is a partially occupied and disordered sulphate and/or
phosphate.
whether this is practically modellable is another matter, a sulphate
at occ. 0.5 is an option, or putting a water with a remark in the pdb
that
How about a 3-fold disordered metal ion?
Mark
On 19 Aug 2009, at 17:07, Sampath Natarajan wrote:
Dear All,
Currently I'm modeling one structure with 2.6A data. I could find an
unknown density which I located in the interface between the three
similar subunits. This density shows very st
The density looks an awful lot like a polyatomic anion (sulfate,
phosphate, etc.). It's hard to tell from the fixed images, but it
appears to be tetrahedral. Is there any chance a polyatomic anion could
be in the crystallization solution? Perhaps from the protein stock solution?
Sampath Natar
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Den Berg, Bert
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:14 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] unknown density
Dear all,
I have attached a jpeg of some (2fo-fc) density in the active site of a
protein I'm refining (1.9 A data, Rfree 24%, still need to pick waters etc;
o
Hi,
Did you check for the 2N,2O coordination. Does your protein has copper
ion as cofactor, whats the pH of the buffer.
And if pH below 6 we can partially eliminate the speculation of copper ion.
S.Jayashankar
Research Student
Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
Hannover Medical School
Germ
Theoretically, citric acid can decompose into beta-ketoglutaric acid, and
the latter may decarboxylate into malonic acid...
Not sure if this happens in aqueous solutions, but if your citrate had
malonate contamination and your enzyme prefers malonate to anything else -
that's where it may have com
Dear all,
i am working on a structure of M.tb, solved at 2.18 A. In my structure there
is a density near to the active site and we modelled it as a malonate (C3 O4
H2) molecule acorrding to the density, which was not used in any of our
buffer except we used 10 mM DTT, 1.6 M Ammonium sulphate, 100 m
It could be purine or pyrimidine ring stacked between the Phe an Tyr. check pdb
3etr or 3eub of xanthine oxidase binding purine substrates between two Phe at
the active site.
Hongnan Cao
UCR
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:23:54 -0500From: lvmengx...@gmail.comsubject:
[ccp4bb] unknown density
a difference greater than 50%.
You could try also Na in stead of NH4
George
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Hi,
If you could send in stereo mode of the density you want to get suggestion,
it will be convenient for the well trained eyes.
S.Jayashankar
Research Student
Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
Hannover Medical School
Germany.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:16 PM, wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It could be a
Hi,
It could be all sorts of things, but the one that for some reason is stuck
in my mind is isopentenyl phosphate (phosphate, not pyrophosphate!). Of
course w/o seeing the density in 3D this is just a guess.
Artem
> Dear All,
>
> When I was refining my structure, I found some unmodeled blobs, s
lf Of mengxiao lv
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:24 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] unknown density for a small molecule
Dear All,
When I was refining my structure, I found some unmodeled blobs,
shown as attached i
: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] unknown density for a small molecule
Dear All,
When I was refining my structure, I found some unmodeled blobs, shown as
attached images (contoured at 3 sigma for Fo-Fc, Rfree 0.21 and Rfactor
0.18, refined to 1.9 angstrom ).
The protein was expressed in
Remember that since it is on a special position (2-fold?), you may not
be looking at a single object, but an overlay from two or more
positions.
The anomalous map is very useful; the mystery molecule must have an
anomalous scatterer. It would be even more helpful if you had mentioned
the wavelengt
As Edward MITCHELL suggested, I made a phased anomalous difference map
and could clearly see the S atom of my sulfide bridges and 1 Ca atom as
I espected. Concerning the unknown density, the shape is the same as in
the fo-fc map Updated images at :
http://unknowndensity.blog4ever.com/blog/phot
Dear all,
in my maps (green is fo-fc at 4sigma) I have density that I cannot (I
think) attribute to anything from the crystallization conditions (MPD,
Na-acetate, CaCl2) or the protein storage buffer (Hepes, NaCl, NaN3). 2
images (90 degres) can be seen at :
http://unknowndensity.blog4ever.com/blog
ide (CH3)2-N-C(=O)-CH3
And so forth.
Artem
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Mousheng
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:35 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density in structure
There are four molecu
There are four molecules in the asymmetric unit. And this density is
present in every molecules.
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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:24 PM
To: Wu, Mousheng
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density in structure
Hi Mousheng
Hi, everyone,
I am recently solving a structure at 1.8A. After I fitted all residues
into the model, I found that there was an extra density in a pocket
consisted of E, N, R and other hydrophobic residues. The density is
strong and connected like a butterfly. I checked the crystallization
cond
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