[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-04-05 Thread John Rose
I have done further investigation and have since found out that the problem is not with Firefox. I have solved the issue by stopping systemd-oom service and purging its package. Further it is alleged that there is no point in having that service in that the Linux kernel performs its function.

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-04-05 Thread John Rose
I suggest that you look at my message of 25/02/2025. Also, when I stop the systemd-oomd service and purge its package, there is no longer any memory leak. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-03-31 Thread John Rose
I suggest that you look at my message of 25/02/2025. Also, when I stop the systemd-oomd service and purge its package, there is no longer any memory leak. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to systemd in Ubuntu. htt

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-03-31 Thread John Rose
Nick, I'm not impressed by your attitude. I have provided logs etc. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to systemd in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2097016 Title: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant inc

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-03-31 Thread John Rose
Nick, I'm not impressed by your attitude. I have provided logs etc. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2097016 Title: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage To ma

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-03-31 Thread John Rose
I have done further investigation and have since found out that the problem is not with Firefox. I have solved the issue by stopping systemd-oom service and purging its package. Further it is alleged that there is no point in having that service in that the Linux kernel performs its function.

Re: RFR: 8351565: Implement JEP 502: Stable Values (Preview) [v6]

2025-03-15 Thread John Rose
A @Stable field does not need to be volatile. Avoiding volatile is one of the uses for @Stable. That said, @Stable is not as foolproof as volatile. It’s more dangerous, and cheaper. You have to do a release store to a stable variable. That’s what the VM does for you automatically for a final, an

Re: RFR: 8351565: Implement JEP 502: Stable Values (Preview) [v6]

2025-03-15 Thread John Rose
A @Stable field does not need to be volatile. Avoiding volatile is one of the uses for @Stable. That said, @Stable is not as foolproof as volatile. It’s more dangerous, and cheaper. You have to do a release store to a stable variable. That’s what the VM does for you automatically for a final, an

Re: RFR: 8351565: Implement JEP 502: Stable Values (Preview)

2025-03-15 Thread John Rose
On 13 Mar 2025, at 4:20, Per Minborg wrote: > … >> Reentrancy into here seems really buggy, I would endorse disallowing it >> >> instead. In that case, a `ReentrantLock` seems better than the native >> monitor as we can cheaply check `lock.isHeldByCurrentThread()` > > StableValueImpl was careful

Re: RFR: 8351565: Implement JEP 502: Stable Values (Preview)

2025-03-15 Thread John Rose
On 13 Mar 2025, at 4:20, Per Minborg wrote: > … >> Reentrancy into here seems really buggy, I would endorse disallowing it >> >> instead. In that case, a `ReentrantLock` seems better than the native >> monitor as we can cheaply check `lock.isHeldByCurrentThread()` > > StableValueImpl was careful

Re: RFR: 8351565: Implement JEP 502: Stable Values (Preview)

2025-03-15 Thread John Rose
> Are deeper cycles of concern? I was thinking of this: There are a couple of ways existing java.util code handles self-cycles. The deepToString method handles them at all levels, so it is robust. But it is tricky and expensive. (Look at the variable named “dejaVu”.) If you grep for /"(this / i

Re: RFR: 8351565: Implement JEP 502: Stable Values (Preview)

2025-03-15 Thread John Rose
> Are deeper cycles of concern? I was thinking of this: There are a couple of ways existing java.util code handles self-cycles. The deepToString method handles them at all levels, so it is robust. But it is tricky and expensive. (Look at the variable named “dejaVu”.) If you grep for /"(this / i

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-03-06 Thread John Rose
On Monday, March 03, 2025, at 1:13 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > A quantum computation has 3 steps. 1. Set n qubits to a superposition of 2^n states, each represented by a vector of n complex components, such that the sum of the squares of the magnitudes of the components add up to 1. This means you ha

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-03-03 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, February 25, 2025, at 2:11 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > printf("I am conscious."); // Is this a lie? printf("I am conscious.") alone is p-zombie code. You need perhaps a qcprintf("I am conscious.") where qcprintf does a printf transition from quantum to classical. Then what would the as

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-25 Thread John Rose
On Monday, February 24, 2025, at 7:42 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > A zombie is exactly like a human by every possible test, and only differs in > that it lacks qualia and phenomenal consciousness The qualia are in the beables of the de Broglie-Bohm interpretation or basically particle configuration

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-24 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, February 22, 2025, at 5:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > We have LLMs that pass the Turing test. That means you can't tell whether you > are talking to a person or a machine. There is no definition or test of > consciousness you can give me that doesn't either make both of them conscious

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-23 Thread John Rose
On Sunday, February 23, 2025, at 10:11 AM, James Bowery wrote: > If, for example, quantum solvers can break the bitcoin blockchain, it can > only mean that an update of some kind has taken place that depends on the > quantum solver.  Nor does the human mind have to be either classical or > quant

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-23 Thread John Rose
SECQAI is launching a QLLM though it may still be in simulation phase but there are more in the works: https://quantumzeitgeist.com/quantum-ai-model-launched-by-secqai-puts-quantum-llms-on-the-map/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: ht

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-23 Thread John Rose
On Sunday, February 23, 2025, at 1:14 AM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > Useful training data, the kind that gives rise to intelligent behavior, is > still confined to the physical world, unless we develop tech to harvest it > from within computers. Quantum computing is interesting for that reason.

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-22 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, February 22, 2025, at 5:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Anyone who has made actual progress toward AGI knows the question is > meaningless. Why bother with consciousness when all you need is text > prediction? This is simply not true. There are a growing number of contributing AGI res

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-21 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, February 19, 2025, at 11:26 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > How do you study what you can't even define? Exactly what test are you using > to distinguish a conscious human from a zombie LLM passing the Turing test by > using nothing more than text prediction? Doesn't this prove there is n

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-19 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, February 19, 2025, at 1:42 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Space, time, and matter are not fundamental. Physics tells us what we > observe, not what is. The key property of an observer is not consciousness, > but simply memory. Writing to memory is not time symmetric because the prior >

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-07 Thread John Rose
I have a feeling that this memory problem is caused by Firefox because when I close Firefox , wait a minute and start Firefox again, the memory reduces to normal. Under what package should I report this using ubuntu-bug as reporting it as the firefox package says that the firefox package is not

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-07 Thread John Rose
So what do I do? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to systemd in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2097016 Title: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage Status in systemd package in

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-07 Thread John Rose
john@Desktop:~$ journalctl -u systemd-oomd.service -b -- No entries -- ops command output: john@Desktop:~$ ps aux --sort -%mem | head -n 10 USER PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND john7698 0.3 4.8 12766736 770840 ? Sl Jan31 16:25 /snap/firefox/5

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-07 Thread John Rose
Here is log after task managaer showed it as RAM usage of 11GB. It increased in a few minutes from resinstalling systemd-oomd. I've alraedy given you the same for before the reinstall. What else do you need? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded p

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-03 Thread John Rose
I have a feeling that this memory problem is caused by Firefox because when I close Firefox , wait a minute and start Firefox again, the memory reduces to normal. Under what package should I report this using ubuntu-bug as reporting it as the firefox package says that the firefox package is not

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-03 Thread John Rose
So what do I do? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2097016 Title: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bu

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-03 Thread John Rose
john@Desktop:~$ journalctl -u systemd-oomd.service -b -- No entries -- ops command output: john@Desktop:~$ ps aux --sort -%mem | head -n 10 USER PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND john7698 0.3 4.8 12766736 770840 ? Sl Jan31 16:25 /snap/firefox/5

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-03 Thread John Rose
Here is log after task managaer showed it as RAM usage of 11GB. It increased in a few minutes from resinstalling systemd-oomd. I've alraedy given you the same for before the reinstall. What else do you need? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-01 Thread John Rose
john@Desktop:~$ journalctl -u systemd-oomd.service -b -- No entries -- As I said before after I uninstall systemd-oomd, there is no memory problem. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to systemd in Ubuntu. https://bu

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-01 Thread John Rose
Please tell me which log (s) you require. Memory Usage (after systemd-oomd removed_ shown in attached Task manager screenshot. Memory usage (before systemd-oomd removed) I don't have and I don't really want to reinstall systemd-oomd just to show the memory usage increasing. Also, memory usage bef

[Touch-packages] [Bug 2097016] [NEW] systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-02-01 Thread John Rose
Public bug reported: The memory usage was constantly increasing (starting at approx 6GB and rising to at least 15GB and eventually the OS hung, my guess it being that it ran out of RAM even though I was doing nothing except refreshing Firefox tabs. I'm running Noble (upgraded from 2022 LTS) on

Re: New JEP: Warnings for Identity-Sensitive Libraries

2025-01-30 Thread John Rose
That’s very nicely framed. Not too much at first, with room to grow if we like what we get at first. On 30 Jan 2025, at 12:39, Dan Smith wrote: > I've created a small JEP as a follow-up to JEP 390 (Warnings for Value-Based > Classes, delivered in 16). > > https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-834

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-01-30 Thread John Rose
john@Desktop:~$ journalctl -u systemd-oomd.service -b -- No entries -- As I said before after I uninstall systemd-oomd, there is no memory problem. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/209701

[Bug 2097016] Re: systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-01-30 Thread John Rose
Please tell me which log (s) you require. Memory Usage (after systemd-oomd removed_ shown in attached Task manager screenshot. Memory usage (before systemd-oomd removed) I don't have and I don't really want to reinstall systemd-oomd just to show the memory usage increasing. Also, memory usage bef

[Bug 2097016] [NEW] systemd-oomd package causes iconstant increase in memory usage

2025-01-30 Thread John Rose
Public bug reported: The memory usage was constantly increasing (starting at approx 6GB and rising to at least 15GB and eventually the OS hung, my guess it being that it ran out of RAM even though I was doing nothing except refreshing Firefox tabs. I'm running Noble (upgraded from 2022 LTS) on

Re: [agi] ClosedAI Secrets

2025-01-29 Thread John Rose
There's a flurry of fake-news articles released where ClosedAI claims DeepSeek stole it's data and people should be concerned. Investigations are going to proceed. Since when does "All your data now belong to us"? This is very entertaining, things are moving rapidly. A society of democratized A

Re: [agi] ClosedAI Secrets

2025-01-28 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, January 28, 2025, at 1:35 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > NVIDIA is down 15% since DeepSeek was released, but still double from a year > ago. It should be more concerning that the US will be on the losing side of > the trade war with China once they start developing their own chips to bypas

Re: [agi] ClosedAI Secrets

2025-01-28 Thread John Rose
On Monday, January 27, 2025, at 8:58 AM, Shashank Yadav wrote: > "if history offers any advice to technologists, it is that core technologies > become free commodities and because of internet distribution and de facto > market standardization... that happens sooner with every turn of the crank."

Re: [agi] ClosedAI Secrets

2025-01-27 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, January 18, 2025, at 4:40 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > A clamouring silence... DeepSeek is open source... better compression with multi-token prediction. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T

[agi] ClosedAI Secrets

2025-01-17 Thread John Rose
What was he going to expose, poor guy, too many questions: https://x.com/i/status/1879656459929063592 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Ta207ec4eca2d7dfb-M33f435afc14476e94c3765df Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: Safety Via Wolpert-Constrained ML

2025-01-17 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, January 16, 2025, at 2:08 PM, twenkid wrote: > Neither you can *really* control "AI" (the Universe, "AI" are some displays > of some processes), but you may only convince yourself that you do control > it, some simplified and narrowly defined phenomena, at some selected > resolution

Re: [agi] Re: Safety Via Wolpert-Constrained ML

2025-01-14 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, January 14, 2025, at 6:12 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Wolpert's theorem is fundamental to the alignment problem. Either you can > predict what AI will do, or it can predict you, but not both. We use > prediction accuracy to measure intelligence. If you want to build an AI that > is sma

Re: [agi] Re: Safety Via Wolpert-Constrained ML

2025-01-13 Thread John Rose
On Monday, December 23, 2024, at 11:17 AM, James Bowery wrote: > **We may be talking at cross purposes here. I am referring to the theorem > that no intelligence can model itsel** I keep thinking there is a way around Wolpert's theorem, agents fully modelling, if you go cross-Planck hologram or

Re: [agi] Re: Safety Via Wolpert-Constrained ML

2025-01-11 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, January 09, 2025, at 1:27 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Self replicating nanotechnology is a distant risk. If global computing > capacity doubles every 3 years from the current 10^24 bits of storage then it > will take 130 years to surpass the 10^37 bits stored in the biosphere as DNA.

Re: High cost of failed Math.*Exact calls

2025-01-10 Thread John Rose
On 13 Dec 2024, at 5:22, Raffaello Giulietti wrote: > For your specific multiplication use case you might try with > > long high = Math.multiplyHigh(a, b); > long low = a * b; > if (high == 0) return low; > return "the big integer consisting of high and low"; > > It might be possible that the mult

Re: [agi] Microsoft defined when AGI will be achieved!!!

2024-12-30 Thread John Rose
On Monday, December 30, 2024, at 12:59 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Fiat currency isn't going away until humans go away. People buy crypto either > to buy something illegal or because they think the price will rise forever > like tulips in 1637. Governments will ban crypto or require public addresse

Re: [agi] Microsoft defined when AGI will be achieved!!!

2024-12-29 Thread John Rose
Global debt-based fiat monetary extremum aligning with the ascension of AGI is more than coincidental. The timing between the decline of fiats and AI/AGI advances, viewed from a global macro perspective, modeling that, with the mathematical relationships, is not just symbiosis. -

Re: [agi] Marc Andreessen on Bari Weiss - nationalize AI?

2024-12-14 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, December 10, 2024, at 8:02 PM, Bill Hibbard wrote: > Marc Andreessen claims the Biden admin wanted to nationalize AI, including classifying the math underlying AI. Does anyone know of any corroboration for this? Wait wasn’t Kamela also the AI Czar? before it got scrubbed from the inte

[agi] We Might Got One

2024-12-04 Thread John Rose
Brain microbiome which would make one wonder about bacteriological emergent and complex systems since recent bacteria modeling shows them merely as molecular machine automata with various multiagent decentralized swarm behaviors: https://www.quantamagazine.org/fish-have-a-brain-microbiome-could-

[agi] Distributed Simulprocessing Quantum Multiproc

2024-11-20 Thread John Rose
Look at this thing: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08178-2 Imagine where it's going to. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tb48c2f1b566860ac-M257ff6fa5d016bbe6ce82579 Delivery options: h

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-11-10 Thread John Rose
We can get an idea of the complexity of the potentially grey goo triggering architecture installed by looking at the frequency of chemical elements distributed across sample vials. Interestingly there is a common band across all manufacturers with concentration variations influenced by time. The

Re: Forward references in initializers

2024-11-09 Thread John Rose
On 8 Nov 2024, at 13:49, Dan Smith wrote: > On Nov 8, 2024, at 11:59 AM, Dan Smith wrote: > > Conclusion: I think I'm happy with a DA/DU analysis that treats initializers > as if they run in left-to-right order, before the start of the constructor. > It's not really true, but it detects the err

Re: Strict field verification

2024-11-07 Thread John Rose
On 4 Nov 2024, at 10:47, Brian Goetz wrote: > This line: > >> *Each method of a value class that has its|ACC_SYNCHRONIZED|flag set must >> also have its|ACC_STATIC|flag set.* > > makes me think we might want to take this further.  The ACC_SYNCHRONIZED bit > was a design mistake; it makes for two

Re: Forward references in initializers

2024-11-07 Thread John Rose
Thank you; I prefer going to simplest possible ordering rules, if I understand this question. (It’s possible I’m missing a point.) I think the simplest rule is the direct conjunction of two independent rules: (a) do not make backwards textual references among initializers, and (b) enforce the ne

[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2085552] Re: Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box

2024-10-31 Thread John Rose
BTW I'm using Remmina to connect. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to remmina in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2085552 Title: Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box Status in remmina package

[Bug 2085552] Re: Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box

2024-10-31 Thread John Rose
BTW I'm using Remmina to connect. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2085552 Title: Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box To manage notifications about this bug go

[Bug 2085697] Re: Flutter snap gives problem in 'flutter doctor'

2024-10-27 Thread John Rose
** Changed in: snap (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2085697 Title: Flutter snap gives problem in 'flutter doctor' To manage notifications about

[Bug 2085697] [NEW] Flutter snap gives problem in 'flutter doctor'

2024-10-27 Thread John Rose
Public bug reported: Not sure if I'm reporting this against the correct package' After install of Android Studio and Flutter snaps, 'flutter doctor --android-licenses' gives "Can't find Android Studio installation". $ flutter doctor --android-licenses Initializing Flutter % Total % Received % Xf

[Bug 2085552] Re: Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box

2024-10-25 Thread John Rose
BTW ping to the RDP Server box fails. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2085552 Title: Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box To manage notifications about this bu

[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2085552] [NEW] Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box

2024-10-24 Thread John Rose
Public bug reported: I'm running Ubuntu 24.04 on both computers with both on same network. RDP Server on the host is configured using standard Ubuntu Settings app: both Remote Desktop Sharing & Remote Control set. Hostname is Laptop with Port 3389. Port 3389 has Port Forwarding for 3389 on Router

[Desktop-packages] [Bug 2085552] Re: Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box

2024-10-24 Thread John Rose
BTW ping to the RDP Server box fails. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to remmina in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2085552 Title: Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box Status in remmina pac

[Bug 2085552] [NEW] Remmina loses connection to rdp server on another Ubuntu box

2024-10-24 Thread John Rose
Public bug reported: I'm running Ubuntu 24.04 on both computers with both on same network. RDP Server on the host is configured using standard Ubuntu Settings app: both Remote Desktop Sharing & Remote Control set. Hostname is Laptop with Port 3389. Port 3389 has Port Forwarding for 3389 on Router

Re: RFR: 8293336: AOT-linking of invokedynamic for lambda expression and string concat [v5]

2024-10-21 Thread John Rose
On 15 Oct 2024, at 12:35, Ioi Lam wrote: > On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 19:08:20 GMT, Dan Heidinga wrote: > >>> 597: >>> 598: /** Number of CPUS, to place bounds on some sizings */ >>> 599: static @Stable int NCPU; >> >> I would prefer to not mark this `@Stable` at this time as it would have >> d

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-10-14 Thread John Rose
In particular this wonderful article looks like it may be possible to build LLM's using GUV's, DNA and MT's. https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2024/lc/d3lc00860f  Well we don't know if someone is already doing it in some skunklab somewhere. A problem is how long would it hold toget

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-10-12 Thread John Rose
One might muse how small and low power intelligent systems can be autonomously built by transducing mathematical and computational models into molecular representation with electromagnetic operators.. Some excellent microfluidics background: https://pubs.rsc.org/en/journals/articlecollectionlan

Re: RFR: 8293336: AOT-linking of invokedynamic for lambda expression and string concat

2024-10-08 Thread John Rose
On 8 Oct 2024, at 14:47, Ioi Lam wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 17:14:54 GMT, Chen Liang wrote: > >>> 402: MethodType primordialMT = new MethodType(rtype, ptypes); >>> 403: if (AOTHolder.archivedMethodTypes != null) { >>> 404: MethodType mt = >>> AOTHolder.archivedMetho

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-10-07 Thread John Rose
I was theorizing about possible magnetoreactive electrochemotransducing/mechanotransducing hydrogel decryption mechanisms against hydrogel assisted signal encryption but not sure if that's how these nanobots specifically communicate... do they all get IPV6 addresses? I knew TikTok was reading m

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-09-19 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, September 19, 2024, at 7:51 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > How do you think microtubules affect the neural network models that have been > used so effectively in LLMs and vision models? Are neurons doing more than > just a clamped sum of products and adjusting the weights and thresholds t

Re: RFR: 8329706: Implement -XX:+AOTClassLinking [v9]

2024-09-18 Thread John Rose
On 18 Sep 2024, at 21:11, Ioi Lam wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 05:07:33 GMT, David Holmes wrote: > … >> src/hotspot/share/cds/aotLinkedClassBulkLoader.cpp line 170: >> >>> 168: log_error(cds)("Unable to resolve %s class from CDS archive: >>> %s", category_name, ik->external_name()); >>

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-09-18 Thread John Rose
Aaaand we got transistors: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-36801-1 Where are the capacitors now let's see... -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tff6648b032b59748-M72fd9297e7855b6dc576be2c

Re: [agi] o1!!!!! *yawn*

2024-09-13 Thread John Rose
They have to ration the GPU juice because someone is going to ask it what is the Kolmogorov Complexity of Ulysses. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T116fcbb6db6c3042-M1655011fcb5ad3e4a355e2a0 Delive

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-09-12 Thread John Rose
On-chip MT diodes, shows some interesting characteristics for building in vivo circuitry: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2315992121 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tff6648b032b59748-M4b0b7

[agi] "AGI" Grant?

2024-09-12 Thread John Rose
Someone may find thus useful, submission deadline in a month: https://new.nsf.gov/funding/opportunities/mfai-mathematical-foundations-artificial-intelligence -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Ta91b8d

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-28 Thread John Rose
A civilization’s general intelligence has a threat surface, which may include its own government BTW. What attack surface component would be an obvious potential target? Memory. Attack vector? Microtubule circuit exploits. "MTs can form bioelectric circuits through their natural connections to M

Re: RFR: 8338023: Support two vector selectFrom API [v5]

2024-08-27 Thread John Rose
On 23 Aug 2024, at 15:33, Paul Sandoz wrote: > The float/double conversion bothers me, not suggesting we do something about > it here, noting down for any future conversation on shuffles. Yes, it’s a pain which is noticeable in the vector/shuffle conversions. In the worst case it adds dynamic re

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-25 Thread John Rose
BUT, with these microcoils and nano devices recorded in other studies and since there is little indication of the degree of advancement of the nano autoassemblies we cannot rule out potential interfaces into the human brain’s quantum communication channels. We can only theorize and glean from pu

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-25 Thread John Rose
Those coils, the original IJVTPR article moved here, page 1202: https://mail.ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/102/291 are similar in size and resemble these microsolenoids that were tested on activating neural tissue: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41378-021-00320-8 At first I thought

Re: RFR: 8338023: Support two vector selectFrom API [v3]

2024-08-21 Thread John Rose
On 21 Aug 2024, at 11:30, Paul Sandoz wrote: > Is it possible for the intrinsic to be responsible for wrapping, if needed? > If was looking at > [`vpermi2b`](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/intrinsics-guide/index.html#text=vpermi2b&ig_expand=4917,4982,5004,5010,5014&techs=AVX_512) >

Re: RFR: 8338023: Support two vector selectFrom API [v3]

2024-08-21 Thread John Rose
On 21 Aug 2024, at 10:51, Sandhya Viswanathan wrote: > @jatin-bhateja Thanks, the PR ((https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/pull/20634) is > still work in progress and can be simplified much further. The changes I am > currently working on are do wrap by default for rearrange and selectFrom as > sugg

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-20 Thread John Rose
Here we go, an in vivo bio-optical transceiver using Aequorin and Markov Chains. No oxygen required with Aequorin and it binds to Ca2+ ions which are integral in neurotransmission: https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/24/8/2584 -- Artificial General Intelligence

Re: [agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-18 Thread John Rose
On Sunday, August 18, 2024, at 3:00 PM, Dorian Aur wrote: > First, one needs to attach nanomagnetic particles to Piezo1 ion channels or > nearby cellular structures of interest (not so easy) and then to apply  an > external magnetic field🙂 Details details... There are known ingredients, like li

[agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-18 Thread John Rose
Magnetogenetics for wiring into specific cells and neurons: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/377694198_In_vivo_magnetogenetics_for_cell-type_specific_targeting_and_modulation_of_brain_circuits So how does the output signal route from the body? There would have to be nanotransmitters perh

Re: RFR: 8338023: Support two vector selectFrom API

2024-08-16 Thread John Rose
(Better late than never, although I wish I’d been more explicit about this on panama-dev.) I think we should be moving away from throwing exceptions on all reorder/shuffle/permute vector ops, and moving toward wrapping. These ops all operate on vectors (small arrays) of vector lane indexes (small

[agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-14 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, August 14, 2024, at 3:33 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Absolutely clueless. What does all this mean? > > Just going to take a wild guess: It means anything is possible ?? It means Radio Ga Ga https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMYCOYjIKrE --

[agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-13 Thread John Rose
The body is mostly water but if you sweat out the nanoantennas to the skin as EMF receivers they could still communicate molecularly. One may expect then to find protocol translating nano-tranceivers. So if you apply a signal then you would see chemical emissions. Maybe that's what those filamen

Re: [agi] my AGI-2024 presentation PPT

2024-08-13 Thread John Rose
On Monday, August 12, 2024, at 6:58 PM, YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) wrote: > Attached is my presentation PPT with some new materials not in the submitted > paper. Interesting that you utilize the hypercube. Recently I was thinking of how a human or AGI can observe all AI by using a math model of 4-d

[agi] Re: Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-13 Thread John Rose
A limiting parameter of this study may be that if there is IoBNT THz-band nano-communication it is absorbed by water molecules... if some of these structures are graphene‑based nanoantennas. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://a

[agi] Internet of Bodies, the IoB, "a kind of synthetic global central nervous system"

2024-08-12 Thread John Rose
5G bio-antennas for WBAN's :) https://mail.ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/102/282 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tff6648b032b59748-M6e95915139dc9c5ad8f3b583 Delivery options: https://agi

[agi] Text Wetware

2024-07-21 Thread John Rose
At the single cell level: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07643-2 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Te9977d4a4d2aaa14-M7864a4ab4643a106bf3e0df5 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/g

Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-07-21 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, July 16, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, 7:51 PM John Rose wrote: >> Is your program conscious simply as a string without ever being run? And if >> it is, describe a calculation of its consciousness. > > If we define consciousn

Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-07-12 Thread John Rose
On Monday, June 24, 2024, at 1:16 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > By this test, reinforcement learning algorithms are conscious. Consider a > simple program that outputs a sequence of alternating bits 010101... until it > receives a signal at time t. After that it outputs all zero bits. In code: > > f

Re: [agi] AI seasons. DON'T PANIC. (yet).

2024-07-12 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, July 10, 2024, at 11:24 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Quantum isn't magic. It does not speed up neural networks because they > perform time irreversible operations like writing to memory. The brain is not > quantum. It's intelligent because it has 600T parameters and 10 petaflops > thr

Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-06-23 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, June 20, 2024, at 10:36 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Consciousness can be seen as goal creation/ learning/ changing. Or what you > might be asking is to have them do long horizon tasks, and solve very tricky > puzzles. I think all that will happen and needs to happen. This type

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-20 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, June 20, 2024, at 12:19 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > Can machines really think? Let's redefine thinking as low-level, spoon fed > reasoning in an unconscious state, then perhaps they could be said to be able > to. We know a machine can view its own code and modify i

Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

2024-06-20 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, June 20, 2024, at 12:32 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > I have a test puzzle that shows GPT-4 to be not human. It is simple enough > any human would know the answer. But it makes GPT-4 rattle on nonsense ex. > use spoon to tickle the key to come off the walleven though i said t

Re: [agi] The Implications

2024-06-20 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, June 19, 2024, at 11:36 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > I give up. What are the implications? Confidence really and a firm footing for further speculations in graphs, networks, search spaces, topologies, algebraic structures, etc. related to cognitive modelling. Potentially all kinds of

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-18 Thread John Rose
On Monday, June 17, 2024, at 5:07 PM, Mike Archbold wrote: > It seems like a reasonable start  as a basis. I don't see how it relates to > consciousness really, except that I think they emphasize a real time aspect > and a flow of time which is good.  If you read the appendix a few times you wil

[agi] The Implications

2024-06-18 Thread John Rose
It helps to know this: https://www.quantamagazine.org/in-highly-connected-networks-theres-always-a-loop-20240607/ Proof: https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.06603 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T482783e118

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