On Monday, February 24, 2025, at 7:42 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > A zombie is exactly like a human by every possible test, and only differs in > that it lacks qualia and phenomenal consciousness
The qualia are in the beables of the de Broglie-Bohm interpretation or basically particle configurations with deterministic dynamics, forward-only, and the “feelings” information appears random but has a final state. He’s arguing that there's no possible p-zombie since it fails a test. A zombie requires fine-tuning but it’s not reversible. When you reverse the fine-tuned deterministic dynamics you get different initial particle configurations since the information has to go somewhere and subsequently the test subject reports different qualia descriptions. If you adjust the fine tuning and the test subject still reports the same qualia experience then you know it’s a zombie. You can’t hide the p-zombie behind the Turing test curtain they are two different things. Unless you declare the p-zombie magically already exists fine-tuned, only testable via a text interface to win some hypothetical argument that relies on the assumption of its existence. What if you wire the test subject to a lie detector machine and wire that into some blasting caps with dynamite so if it lies a current gets created. Then ask the subject directly if it has qualia. Will the zombie blow up? ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T72460285b911fa58-Mcbcf1678b9dde9fcce7a9ff5 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
