I retract “State of the Union."
I create this AI-1.5 proposal “State of the Union v2” by Gaelan, PSS and Aris: <
Create the power-1.5 rule “Internal State” with this text: {
An Agency or Organization’s Internal State is state that is defined by the
Agency or Organization’s text (Power or Charter)
I retract “Judicial Reform.”
I create the AI-2 proposal “Judicial Reform v2” by Gaelan, Aris and Quazie with
the following text: <
Amend R991 “Calls for Judgement” by replacing the last paragraph with {
“Judge Status” is a player switch tracked by the Arbitor in eir monthly report,
with valid va
On 05/29/2017 04:08 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
We have a serious deregistration problem. Two of our experienced
players, and one of our new players have deregistered. I'd like to
open this up as a central thread about what we've done wrong. I'd
appreciate if the former players would consider join
Agencies are amazing, you can pretty much create switches inside of it and
make your own minigames inside of it via threading conditions.
If you need a tester for a mechanic for your protosal/proposal, and you'd
like to use an Agency for that testing, I'm up for it. I have a few shinies
too (you c
The Academia Proposal Contest is there so perhaps have two levels of
Judges? Casual and High/Pro/Superior? Make a Judge-Degree? (Can just be a
CFJ test)
I definitely think newcomers can handle the more mundane CFJs like
CFJ: "can I do this?"
*Judge points to a rule, sometimes even two.*
"Yes yo
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 6:49 PM Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Tue, 30 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
>
> >> Gah. Oh well. How would you put it?
> > I'm digging a hole for myself, nvm, sorry
>
> So was I. Sorry.
>
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.
As was I in all probability. I'm sorry too. I'd suggest that we al
On Tue, 30 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
Gah. Oh well. How would you put it?
I'm digging a hole for myself, nvm, sorry
So was I. Sorry.
Greetings,
Ørjan.
>Gah. Oh well. How would you put it?
I'm digging a hole for myself, nvm, sorry
>Just in case you're not aware, that message _still_ makes you sound like a huge
dick.
Gah. Oh well. How would you put it?
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Tue, 30 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
>
>> man saying that so stale makes me sound like a huge dick.
>>
>> ok so BASICALLY:
>>
>> -Dude it sucks that you have to leave
>> -I'm not sorry about doing what I'm doing though
>> -I want us both t
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 6:17 PM Gaelan Steele wrote:
> On May 29, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Missing a close parenthesis. Why do we need None? Surely any player
> could occasionally want to judge a case, so the distinction seems
> unnecessar
On Tue, 30 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
man saying that so stale makes me sound like a huge dick.
ok so BASICALLY:
-Dude it sucks that you have to leave
-I'm not sorry about doing what I'm doing though
-I want us both to play *together* in our *own way* and be HAPPY. Hopefully
in the future tha
> On May 29, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Aris Merchant
> wrote:
>
> Missing a close parenthesis. Why do we need None? Surely any player
> could occasionally want to judge a case, so the distinction seems
> unnecessary.
Fair.
> I'd also make Wide the default, although that is open to
> debate. The judicia
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> I create the AI-2 proposal “Judicial Reform” by Gaelan with the following
> text: <
>
> Amend R991 “Calls for Judgement” by replacing the last paragraph with {
>
> “Judge Status” is a player switch tracked by the Arbitor in eir monthly
> repo
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
>
> I'm finding keeping up with the game very difficult at the moment, and
> may end up having to resign offices or even deregister if the activity
> continues.
Please don't leave. We're having enough problems with empty offices
already. If neces
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 5:05 PM, CuddleBeam wrote:
> In order to break this "critical mass" of activity, I suggest dividing the
> game into three (simplified) sub-nomics, and have them each develop as their
> own Province.
>
> There has been precedence of Agora having a similar "divide" (the Blots
I think this could be a good idea and I was thinking about messing around with
agencies to test this out.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On May 29, 2017, at 8:05 PM, CuddleBeam wrote:
>
> In order to break this "critical mass" of activity, I suggest
In order to break this "critical mass" of activity, I suggest dividing the
game into three (simplified) sub-nomics, and have them each develop as
their own Province.
There has been precedence of Agora having a similar "divide" (the Blots and
such), although this would be making the slices in a dif
Precisely because its gameplay-related is what makes it interesting (to me,
personally).
It's like finding a lego block and finding that it somehow relates to the
beginning of the universe.
Also, there seems to be a "Critical Mass" of activity that the Ruleset/game
design can handle at any time.
Aris, I think CFJ 3493 is trivially FALSE given your judgement on 3494, but
I think you still need to judge it :). (sorry if you did and I missed it).
https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3493
On Sat, 27 May 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:25 AM Owen Jacobs
Please don't leave before you fix up the ruleset - though I guess you don't
lose your nickname even if you deregister
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 16:24 Alex Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 16:17 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 29 May 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2017-05-28 at
On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 16:17 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On Mon, 29 May 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> > On Sun, 2017-05-28 at 12:53 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > I request this be linked to Cuddlebeam's most recent CFJ.
> > I can't honour this request because the CFJ in question was
> withdrawn.
>
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2017-05-28 at 12:53 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > I request this be linked to Cuddlebeam's most recent CFJ.
> I can't honour this request because the CFJ in question was withdrawn.
Actually, I think CuddleBeam withdrew it in discussion forum, but
Cool, I'll gain a better understanding of all of this as I become hopefully
temp assessor.
I've got some scripts to write today it seems.
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 15:45 Alex Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 20:12 +, Quazie wrote:
> > If voting strength increases or decreases during the vo
On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 16:25 -0500, grok (caleb vines) wrote:
> I'm fairly certain my deregistration statement clearly outlines that the
> fruitless philosophical CFJ attempts in spite of obvious rules that answers
> them are my biggest gripe. I don't mind some philosophical discussion of
> the rule
man saying that so stale makes me sound like a huge dick.
ok so BASICALLY:
-Dude it sucks that you have to leave
-I'm not sorry about doing what I'm doing though
-I want us both to play *together* in our *own way* and be HAPPY. Hopefully
in the future that happens.
OK THATS ALL I FEEL AWKWARD lo
I would like to unofficially request that the proposal pool not be drained
until people get paid so that people can afford to pay the fees.
天火狐
On 28 May 2017 at 20:11, Aris Merchant
wrote:
> The following is a draft report. Note that it's not quite the same as
> a regular report, as it has som
On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 20:12 +, Quazie wrote:
> If voting strength increases or decreases during the voting period, what
> happens? Nichdel voted and then deregistered, thus dropping eir strength
> to 0 - do eir votes still count?
Actually, nonregistered persons have voting strength 1. They ju
I find it massively unfortunate that you've felt the need to leave, and I
do feel that I'm definitely part of this new music that is sounding across
Agora which you dislike.
But I enjoy what I enjoy, and I'll pursue my own happiness in Agora, but
I'll also try to help everyone else achieve theirs
On Mon, 29 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote:
> Believe me, you were never part of the problem. I didn't mind opining
> over philosophy in Agora as long as it's backed with an understanding
> of the rules and CFJ precedent--something you always made sure to include
> in your more abstract posts
I'm fairly certain my deregistration statement clearly outlines that the
fruitless philosophical CFJ attempts in spite of obvious rules that answers
them are my biggest gripe. I don't mind some philosophical discussion of
the rules, but when the ruleset or prior CFJs obviously answer the question
I
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Quazie wrote:
> Cool cool. It was a double whammy of precedence I was trying to set.
>
> 1 - you can CFJ on questions (non-controvertial)
> 2 - some future conditionals are legit outside of voting (but I tried
> to ensure that it was limited in scope)
Yeah, the full impact
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> Given the recent problems regarding philosophical discussion:
>
> How would people feel about making a new mailing list for these discussions
> to take place and maybe the Herald could post weekly summaries to official?
> This would a
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Quazie wrote:
> Proto proposal: Grudge.
> There exists an asset called a Grudge.
Karma systems +1 like the idea; when we've had them, they both lead
to good feelings and let us know when we're stepping on each others'
toes.
Are there any key behaviours you can identify that were problematic?
Are there any solutions you would like to see Agora implement?
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On May 29, 2017, at 5:17 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote:
>
> If you have any questions a
If you have any questions about my deregistration that aren't answered in
my deregistration statement, I'd be happy to answer them.
On May 29, 2017 4:08 PM, "Aris Merchant"
wrote:
> We have a serious deregistration problem. Two of our experienced players,
> and one of our new players have deregi
I don't think this situation required permanent record.
On May 29, 2017 3:53 PM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I would have recommended that you submitted a Writ of FAGE.
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@
I already proposed in a separate thread a new mailing list. As for other
solutions, maybe a state of emergency where if we are plummeting down hill like
this, we can hit the breaks stop and have a meta-conversation.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On
As long as the discussions of philosophy have implications on the game
state, this will never be a functional solution.
Also, if my deregistration statement didn't make it clear, the problem is
not philosophy on face.
On May 29, 2017 4:03 PM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" <
p.scribonius.schol
We have a serious deregistration problem. Two of our experienced players,
and one of our new players have deregistered. I'd like to open this up as a
central thread about what we've done wrong. I'd appreciate if the former
players would consider joining in the discussion, so that we might work
toge
Given the recent problems regarding philosophical discussion:
How would people feel about making a new mailing list for these discussions to
take place and maybe the Herald could post weekly summaries to official? This
would allow people to avoid the discussion without being completely out of th
I think the Anger Management or even carding could be a helpful addition.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On May 29, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Josh T wrote:
>
> Maybe also have something like "If a player X owns three grudges and for each
> of those grudges
I don’t feel able to serve as assessor. I would be willing to serve as
Reportor, but you should take it up, if you wish.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On May 29, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Martin Rönsch wrote:
>
> Am 29.05.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Quazie:
>> O
I concur with this general sentiment, philosophy is interesting, but the rules
and legislative process are the core of the game.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On May 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Nic Evans wrote:
>
> On 05/26/2017 04:39 PM, Nic Evans wrot
I would have recommended that you submitted a Writ of FAGE.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On May 29, 2017, at 12:58 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote:
>
> I was really excited to play legislative-based, classic nomic style Agora.
> That's not what I'm g
Cool cool. It was a double whammy of precedence I was trying to set.
1 - you can CFJ on questions (non-controvertial)
2 - some future conditionals are legit outside of voting (but I tried to
ensure that it was limited in scope)
Also - that judgement also implies that the case is still open, as I
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Quazie wrote:
> I am always willing to listen to your criticism G. - please let me know what
> you thought I said, and how I can word things better in the future to reduce
> confusion.
Actually, thinking about it, the honest truth is that in cutting/pasting
everything, I los
If voting strength increases or decreases during the voting period, what
happens? Nichdel voted and then deregistered, thus dropping eir strength
to 0 - do eir votes still count?
I am always willing to listen to your criticism G. - please let me know
what you thought I said, and how I can word things better in the future to
reduce confusion.
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 13:08 Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> I humbly and un-regulated-ly withdraw any objection I had to Quazie's
> judge
I humbly and un-regulated-ly withdraw any objection I had to Quazie's
judgement here. In rapidly cutting and pasting lots of judgements
into the database yesterday, I completely misread/misinterpreted the
way e rephrased the CFJ statement. Looking at it for more than 2 minutes
now, it's a fine
Perhaps make a central "Karma" system, linked to both cards and grudges?
And holding Office with a "clean-streak" of not doing any offenses and no
Tardiness would earn you Karma, for example, because you've done good
service.
I think it would be good for both anti-negative and pro-positive moveme
Maybe also have something like "If a player X owns three grudges and for
each of those grudges the targets thereof also owns a grudge against the
player X, the {keeper of grudges} may place player X on Anger Management",
which would be a state that punishes a player a little.
Oh yeah, Grudges shou
It's a rough draft - I feel like holding grudges should be advantageous -
but holding too many makes you vulnerable is the premise I was going for.
Voting strength is pretty low right now (there were prior situations where
voting strength defaulted to a much larger number) and maybe increasing it
b
To be fair, I think that having an important philosophical argument and
background on these recent issues is important, although I haven't
personally had the chance to read and go over them with a fine comb because
of real life, much less come up with a worthy response. However, with the
responses
I don't like the voting strength bit—I don't think there is any harm in
creating a temporary grudge whenever you vote AGAINST.
Gaelan
> On May 29, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Quazie wrote:
>
> Proto proposal: Grudge.
>
> There exists an asset called a Grudge.
>
> Each Grudge has a person associated
Here's the vote tallies for the most recent proposals:
|| 7853 | 7854 | 7855 | 7856 | 7857 |
|+--+--+--+--+--+
|ais523 | F| F| F| F| F|
|Gaelan | F| F| A| F| F|
|grok| P| P| P| F| F|
|nichdel | P
Am 29.05.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Quazie:
Okay - I will cover ADoP.
Reporter is vacant as is assessor.
PSS showed interest in reporter at one point, but does anyone have
interest in Assessor?
I don't want it - but i am now back at Agora, and I'm willing to step
up if no one else is interested.
Sad to see you go grok - hope I wasn't overly problematic - your insight so
far has led me to some interesting archive spelunking on my part - and I
really have enjoyed your play so far.
Interestingly - does grok's agency get dissolved? I think it doesn't - so
i'll work on fixing that.
(Though TB
Okay - I will cover ADoP.
Reporter is vacant as is assessor.
PSS showed interest in reporter at one point, but does anyone have interest
in Assessor?
I don't want it - but i am now back at Agora, and I'm willing to step up if
no one else is interested.
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:00 Nicholas Ev
Proto proposal: Grudge.
There exists an asset called a Grudge.
Each Grudge has a person associated with it.
Once a month, A player may indicate a person, and a reason, and then gain
one Grudge associated with said person.
If a player is holding a Grudge against every current player they may be
Did you resign from all your positions?
Did you deregister?
Don't leave us nichdel (but I understand if you need to leave)
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 09:55 Nic Evans wrote:
> On 05/26/2017 04:39 PM, Nic Evans wrote:
> > I initiate an election for Associate Director of Personnel, as there has
> >
Believe me, you were never part of the problem. I didn't mind opining over
philosophy in Agora as long as it's backed with an understanding of the
rules and CFJ precedent--something you always made sure to include in your
more abstract posts. I'm more frustrated with the blase "I say I did so I
did
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Nicholas Evans wrote:
> To clarify i mean i completely deregister, not resign ADoP
Ugh. I really am going to shut up about philosophy now. Really
sorry for my part in this.
Sorry if I was over-historicating myself.
On one hand, long digressions on philosophy have always been a part
of Agora, that's not going away. The recent talk about academics,
essays and theses, and new players asking lots of questions, kicked it
up a notch so maybe I started doing that too muc
>Please tone down the language a wee bit, we like to pretend to be
>genteel. (I'm not saying nichdel wasn't overly snarky emself; this is a
>de-escalation request all around).
Yeah I re-read my thing and found it to be more intense than it should be
lol.
Sorry about that.
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote:
> But yeah. Don't fucking toss me an ad hominem. I'll gladly re-process
> the ideas and re-present it again.
Please tone down the language a wee bit, we like to pretend to be genteel.
(I'm not saying nichdel wasn't overly snarky emself; this is a de-escal
>This response makes me think you didn't read or comprehend my response.
This is a really intense claim, but I'll restate my response again, but
breaking down your exact reply instead of making certain assumptions which
I thought were obvious from dialogue. I believe this is the "practical"
versus
Ok, here's the longer deal on unregulated actions.
The rules neither take from, nor add to, your ability to perform
unregulated actions.
For this, CFJs 2149 and 2150 are instructive. From those two cases:
"Celebrating" is unregulated. Can you celebrate something by
announcement? Sure! By
This response makes me think you didn't read or comprehend my response. And
your recent behavior makes me think you don't attempt to comprehend the
rules before acting.
On May 29, 2017 10:35, "CuddleBeam" wrote:
> >The rules allow withdrawing ballots and proposals explicitly, and explicitly
> me
>The rules allow withdrawing ballots and proposals explicitly, and explicitly
mention what happens, so under those conditions it's clearly regulated.
I disagree.
An action is regulated if:
* (1) the Rules limit, allow, enable, or permit its performance
- There is no limitation, permission or enab
I am happy to reconsider of you lemme know where I over stepped.
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 21:17 Josh T wrote:
> I am willing to support reconsidering this CFJ on behalf of G. if there is
> interest among the players for reconsideration.
>
> 天火狐
>
> On 28 May 2017 at 21:18, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>>
On 05/29/2017 07:04 AM, CuddleBeam wrote:
> No one seems to understand what unregulated means. All it means is
> that the rules can't say that an action is impossible or prohibited.
> It doesn't magically make it possible, or convince the rules to care
> about it. All the unregulated/regulated
>Although I do think grok's "If I am still an objector, but my objection
>has been withdrawn [by someone else], can I withdraw my objection?" is
>a valid question.
We don't even have a mechanic to *withdraw* in the first place. If you
can pull out of the ether that you can "withdraw", I believe
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