Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Sean Hunt
On 01/11/2010 05:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Quorum has, in all my play, never once been used for actual vote manipulation. Well I did late month for the court case... I remember a period of play (back in the hazy 2002-2004 period) where the speaker had this power and used it lots (part of bringi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Sean Hunt
On 01/11/2010 05:34 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Also, I think I'll tackle judicial reform this week. That section of the rules is a mess. What do you have in mind? I may as well get a head start pondering possible code revisions. No clue. I've even been playing with the idea of throwing out the ide

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, comex wrote: > But not announce what the fee is? Full confession: "Fees" is stolen directly from R1941/1-3 (it's all right, I wrote part of it :) ). Collective wisdom was, like maxivote, it was better/ convenient to let people just say "I pay the fee to do X" and have it

DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread comex
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >      To perform a fee-based action, a Player (the Actor) who is >      otherwise permitted to perform the action must announce that e >      is performing the action and announce that there is a fee for >      that action. But not announce wha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: > coppro wrote: > >> Also, I think I'll tackle judicial reform this week. That section of >> the rules is a mess. > > What do you have in mind? I may as well get a head start pondering > possible code revisions. If you reset rests so I don't have to catch up

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: >> The Power Station Manager (PSM) is a high-priority office and the > > We don't have high-priority offices any more. If memory serves, we > told you this last time you proposed a major change. In my defense I actually knew that here: >> P f

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: >> Create the following Rule, Fee-based actions, power-2: >> >> - A player CAN increase eir voting limit on a specified >>decision to adopt a proposal in its voting period by 2Q, by >>paying a fee of Q, provided this does not increase eir >>voting limit a

DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Proto: new system > [Keeps major arcana, puts in basic fee-based system] > > Create the following rule, Energy, power-2: > >      Ergs are a class of fixed assets and a measure of each Player's >      energy; to increase or decrease an entity

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Ergs are a class of fixed assets and a measure of each Player's >> energy; to increase or decrease an entity's energy is to change >> the number of ergs in eir possession. Ownership of Ergs is >> restricted to players. > > Let's get

DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
> Ergs are a class of fixed assets and a measure of each Player's > energy; to increase or decrease an entity's energy is to change > the number of ergs in eir possession. Ownership of Ergs is > restricted to players. Let's get the basic framework into place first, but

Re: DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, ais523 wrote: >> Wasn't there a proto a while back to call them persimmons? It was meant >> as an anti-scam feature, but it might be more interesting as a basis for >> an economy. Probably we should start off with just one type of them, but >> if it's a success pro

DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >      Title: Minister without Portfolio. >      Position: The Minister without Portfolio CAN become holder of a >      specified vacant elected office by announcement, unless e is >      prevented from holding that office on an ongoing basis. W

DIS: Re: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Create the following Rule, Fee-based actions, power-2: First comment: forgot to put in expunging Rests at a fee of 2 per rest. Will fix in next one. -G.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
c. wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Whups, ignore that! Wrong proposal. So my other question: the CFJs didn't >> explicitly CoE on prop 6583, which is required to stop self-ratification, so >> did it self-ratify or was there a CoE? In case: CoE: the voting resul

Re: DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread Craig Daniel
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, ais523 wrote: >> Wasn't there a proto a while back to call them persimmons? It was meant >> as an anti-scam feature, but it might be more interesting as a basis for >> an economy. Probably we should start off with just on

Re: DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > One thing I've been pondering for a while is if we should reinstate > the Speaker as being a real leader in Agora? Any time someone says that I'll vote for it. -G.

Re: DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, ais523 wrote: > Wasn't there a proto a while back to call them persimmons? It was meant > as an anti-scam feature, but it might be more interesting as a basis for > an economy. Probably we should start off with just one type of them, but > if it's a success probably we'll end

Re: DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I would wholeheartedly support a full repeal of cards.  Once cards > come to a halt due to uncertainty/lack of reports its hell to get them > started again. > > I suggest going to simple action points model to start. > Every player has N non

Re: DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 11:56 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I would wholeheartedly support a full repeal of cards. Once cards > come to a halt due to uncertainty/lack of reports its hell to get them > started again. > > I suggest going to simple action points model to start. > Every player has N non-

Re: DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 14:41 -0500, comex wrote: >> Whether or not Crumbling Fountain passed, the Dealor's report hasn't >> been published, nor any card plays or IBA transactions performed, in >> nearly a month, and even if someone volunteered to be Dealor, the

Re: DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 14:41 -0500, comex wrote: > Whether or not Crumbling Fountain passed, the Dealor's report hasn't > been published, nor any card plays or IBA transactions performed, in > nearly a month, and even if someone volunteered to be Dealor, the game > really isn't active enough now to

DIS: but

2010-01-11 Thread comex
Whether or not Crumbling Fountain passed, the Dealor's report hasn't been published, nor any card plays or IBA transactions performed, in nearly a month, and even if someone volunteered to be Dealor, the game really isn't active enough now to sustain Cards. I don't know if there's any advantage to

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread comex
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Whups, ignore that!  Wrong proposal.  So my other question:  the CFJs didn't > explicitly CoE on prop 6583, which is required to stop self-ratification, so > did it self-ratify or was there a CoE?  In case: CoE: the voting results > for proposa

Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread comex
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Don't c.'s judgements of 2755-56 imply that Crumbling Fountain > passed after all? Do they? (For what it's worth, I didn't remember that those cases had anything to do with my proposal when I judged them.) -- -c.

Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Sgeo wrote: >> How possibly would it be for even a smallish invasion force to invade? >> Are most players still at least reading the emails, despite not >> contributing? If not, then a much smaller invasion force is a much >> greater threat than usual. > > Even du

Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Elliott Hird > wrote: >> Do you realise that Agora had never been invaded? > > False. I invaded from B years ago. Unfortunately, the rest of B's > players didn't join in the planned invasion. The UNDEAD could arguab

Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > Do you realise that Agora had never been invaded? False. I invaded from B years ago. Unfortunately, the rest of B's players didn't join in the planned invasion.

Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > On Monday, January 11, 2010, Sgeo wrote: >> How possibly would it be for even a smallish invasion force to invade? >> Are most players still at least reading the emails, despite not >> contributing? If not, then a much smaller invasion force

Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Elliott Hird
On Monday, January 11, 2010, Sgeo wrote: > How possibly would it be for even a smallish invasion force to invade? > Are most players still at least reading the emails, despite not > contributing? If not, then a much smaller invasion force is a much > greater threat than usual. Do you realise that

Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Sgeo wrote: > How possibly would it be for even a smallish invasion force to invade? > Are most players still at least reading the emails, despite not > contributing? If not, then a much smaller invasion force is a much > greater threat than usual. Even during the lull we cou

Re: DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Sgeo wrote: > How possibly would it be for even a smallish invasion force to invade? > Are most players still at least reading the emails, despite not > contributing? If not, then a much smaller invasion force is a much > greater threat than usual. Very easy. We

DIS: Threat of invasion during the lull

2010-01-11 Thread Sgeo
How possibly would it be for even a smallish invasion force to invade? Are most players still at least reading the emails, despite not contributing? If not, then a much smaller invasion force is a much greater threat than usual.