DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 13:26, The PerlNomic Partnership > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE >> 5794 O 1 1.0 Murphy Return of the Repeal-o-Matic >> 5795 O 1 1.0 Murphy Stop letting the Mad Scientist double-dip >> 5796 O 1

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 19:38, Jamie Dallaire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I wish to register. > > Billy Pilgrim > A familiar face. Welcome! BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Jamie Dallaire wrote: > I wish to register. Plan C! Plan C!

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread 0x44
Pavitra wrote: Agreed. Between the Illuminati, UNDEAD, and the People's Bank of Agora, we clearly don't have time for partisanship. There is no Illuminati, and anyone who suggests otherwise has five pounds of flax to sell you. -- -- 0x44;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Good morning, Dave

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, comex wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2. Terminating the pledge is no different than terminating a >>partnership. Are you arguing that partnerships can't be >>terminated due to their losing R101 rights? > > The argu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ? I just did ? nevermind.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Good morning, Dave

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. Terminating the pledge is no different than terminating a >partnership. Are you arguing that partnerships can't be >terminated due to their losing R101 rights? The argument's been brought up before...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And anyway, don't these noobs due research? CFJ 1520. In fact CFJ 1520 > makes the second sentence of the rule in question entirely superfluous. > -Goethe Heh. I had forgotten about that. -root

DIS: Re: BUS: (Possibly ex-)registrar's notes on proposal 5770

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > I'll delete the bouncing-email watchers from the Registrar Report that I > next publish. I'll continue publishing Registrar's Reports until it's > determined who the Registrar is, and suggest that the Monster republish > them. And these Watchers (the *comp

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Nomic Wars

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 17:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> I agree to the Nomic Wars contract, and object to its joining the PRS. >> >> -Goethe >> > The joining fails, as it had no parties at that point and cannot survive > with one party. Did you mean to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, comex wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ais523 brought up another possibility so let me add: I am unaware of >> the existence any pledge with the above identifier (merely backs up the >> accepted COE on behalf of Murphy). -Goe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Good morning, Dave

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > This pledge is obviously self-contradictory. If Goethe could terminate > HAL by announcement, e could remove eir right to call CFJs. By rule 101, > this is obviously impossible. > > Also, HAL is not party to that pledge, so you can't Mousetrap em like > tha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I submit the following evidence on CFJ 2196: >> >> There now exists a nomic called "One True Agora", which can also be >> called "Agora". (Wooble created it a few minutes ago in ##nomi

DIS: Re: BUS: Good morning, Dave

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 14:25 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I agree to the following pledge, called HAL: > > 1. By pledge of Goethe, HAL is a biological organism that can communicate > in English. Goethe may act on behalf of HAL by announcement. Goethe > may terminate HAL by announcement.

DIS: Re: BUS: Application for citizenship

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 02:43 -0500, Gavin Dow wrote: > I hereby announce that I wish to register for citizenship in Agora. Welcome! Which name do you wish to be known by on reports? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 16:10, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 21 Oct 2008, at 23:03, Roger Hicks wrote: > >> Please disregard this last message. It is utterly incorrect. I will repost >> it. > > Yay! So are you up to date on RBoA matters? If so, once a [proto-]report is > posted I c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Nomic Wars

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 16:11, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 17:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> I agree to the Nomic Wars contract, and object to its joining the PRS. >> >> -Goethe >> > The joining fails, as it had no parties at that point and cannot survive > wit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anyway, if you want someone more capable in the office, don't vote for >> Bayes. You could vote for me, although I wouldn't be nearly as fast. >> Although if

DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
Let's try this again - CORRECTED-: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 13:33, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the PBA has exactly six X crops, I withdraw two X crops from the PBA. Fails. The PBA has no X crops. > I deposit all my Coins in the RBoA, for an appropriate number of Chits. 236 coins (55

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Nomic Wars

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 17:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I agree to the Nomic Wars contract, and object to its joining the PRS. > > -Goethe > The joining fails, as it had no parties at that point and cannot survive with one party. Did you mean to join Nomic Wars II? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 23:03, Roger Hicks wrote: Please disregard this last message. It is utterly incorrect. I will repost it. Yay! So are you up to date on RBoA matters? If so, once a [proto-] report is posted I can resolve the last few PBA transactions, we can ratify the reports, etc. -- e

DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 19:56 -0400, comex wrote: > I join Nomic Wars I. > > I add the following section to Nomic Wars I: > { > Sections with lower Ratings take precedence over sections with higher > Ratings; Sections of this contract whose Rating is a positive integer > are void and do not apply. >

DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
Please disregard this last message. It is utterly incorrect. I will repost it. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:59, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 13:33, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If the PBA has exactly six X crops, I withdraw two X crops from the PBA. >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ais523 brought up another possibility so let me add: I am unaware of > the existence any pledge with the above identifier (merely backs up the > accepted COE on behalf of Murphy). -Goethe You did not address the claim that

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:57, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:53 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: >> On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Roger Hicks wrote: >> >> 2008-10-20 19:33 - ais523 withdraws two X crops for ^37 >> >> conditional on the >> >> deposit succeeding. (it didn't -

DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 13:33, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the PBA has exactly six X crops, I withdraw two X crops from the PBA. Fails. According to the AAA the PBA has no X crops. > > I deposit all my Coins in the RBoA, for an appropriate number of Chits. > Per ehird's calculation

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:57, Alex Smith wrote: So I deposited ^551 into the RBoA altogether. Working out how much I deposited when is both much more difficult and irrelevant. -- ais523 Oh, I see. I will include a note in my report. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:53 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Roger Hicks wrote: > >> 2008-10-20 19:33 - ais523 withdraws two X crops for ^37 > >> conditional on the > >> deposit succeeding. (it didn't - ed, 2008-10-21) ais523 transfers > >> all eir coins > >> to the RBoA (

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008-10-20 19:33 - ais523 withdraws two X crops for ^37 conditional on the deposit succeeding. (it didn't - ed, 2008-10-21) ais523 transfers all eir coins to the RBoA (^551 - ed, 2008-10-21). So, 551 coins are deposited into the RBOA? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:46 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:15, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which contains a > > note of the > > coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. > > > > I now request an R

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:44 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:40, Alex Smith wrote: > > The relevant part seems to be that I deposited a total of 551 Coins > > into > > the RBoA, during the scam and shortly afterward. That should let > > BobTHJ > > be able to calculate how many

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:15, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which contains a > note of the > coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. > > I now request an RBoA report which I can base calculations for the following > actions

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:40, Alex Smith wrote: The relevant part seems to be that I deposited a total of 551 Coins into the RBoA, during the scam and shortly afterward. That should let BobTHJ be able to calculate how many Chits I had altogether when I started buying assets. I think most of them

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:15 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which > contains a note of the > coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. > > I now request an RBoA report which I can base calculations for the > following actions > for. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:12, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By the way, I'm also intending to (eventually) track credits and > markers. H. Accountor, what would be your preference here? I could: > > * set you up to enter the data and publish the generated reports; > * enter the data mys

DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which contains a note of the coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. I now request an RBoA report which I can base calculations for the following actions for. Then we can ratify both bank's reports and this will all be over. Th

DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I submit the following evidence on CFJ 2196: > > There now exists a nomic called "One True Agora", which can also be > called "Agora". (Wooble created it a few minutes ago in ##nomic.) While that could complicate matters in g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > Although if root starts publishing a web report updated more > frequently than the email version, I for one will vote for em. Incidentally, I haven't updated my old Conductor database since around the time root took over, so please don't rely on it. I'll take it offline once root'

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anyway, if you want someone more capable in the office, don't vote for >> Bayes. You could vote for me, although I wouldn't be nearly as fast. >> Although if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, if you want someone more capable in the office, don't vote for > Bayes. You could vote for me, although I wouldn't be nearly as fast. > Although if root starts publishing a web report updated more > frequently than the ema

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 16:01 -0400, comex wrote: > (The reason I'm responding to one of these mass nominations seriously > is that the idea of having Bayes as the recordkeepor for something > intrigues me. It'd be a novelty having such a fast recordkeepor, and > would certainly make scams like the

DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I nominate the Monster, Bayes, the AFO, and the PBA for Conductor. What the > hey, I also nominate B Nomic for Conductor. I am willing to have Bayes take on the responsibilities of the office, with the caveat that note

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > It was "One True Agora", the phrase, I searched for. I was trying to see > if there were any references to it anywhere. I don't believe there is an > Agoran custom that that name means something; if there had been, more > references unrelated to this CFJ wo

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread warrigal
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Pavitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:00 am Ian Kelly wrote: >> I especially don't want to start a >> political discussion within these hallowed fora, so this will be my >> only post on the subject. > > Agreed. Between the Illuminati

DIS: Unofficial RBOA report

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
Here is an unofficial RBOA report covering the bank run scam and all messages up until ais523's message "Converging the Gamestates". In order to calculate that message I will need to know from ehird the number of coins that ais523 presently possesses (read: I need to see a PBA report that is curren

Re: DIS: Unofficial RBOA report

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:59, Roger Hicks wrote: Here is an unofficial RBOA report covering the bank run scam and all messages up until ais523's message "Converging the Gamestates". In order to calculate that message I will need to know from ehird the number of coins that ais523 presently possesses

DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:06 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > > The appeals board have requested me to determine what the referent of > > "One True Agora" is. A Google search determines that the phrase does not > > occur anywhere anywhere, except in Rule 2200, and

DIS: Re: BUS: For matters of deregistration...

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Pavitra wrote: > I submit the following proposal, AI=2, II=1, entitled "How did the > CotC get into it?": By the registrar not existing as an office for a while, leading to a Cantus Cygnus that resulted in a win-by-paradox. -G.

DIS: Re: BUS: For matters of deregistration...

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > I submit the following proposal, AI=2, II=1, entitled "How did the > CotC get into it?": Recommend you update R1922(f) to match.

DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 13:30, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I RBoA-withdraw seven 1 crops. > The RBoA only has one 1 crop to withdraw. BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I withdraw five 7 crops from the RBoA. I deposit them in the PBA. I > deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins. Five 7 crops (4 from the RBOA, 1 from ais523's personal store) are deposited in the PBA. chit deposit fails. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: douple dipping?

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 11:30 -0700, Taral wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal CFJ alleging that > > ais523 violated Rule 2143 by failing to publish a Mad Scientist's > > report for the week of 6 Oct.

DIS: Re: BUS: douple dipping?

2008-10-21 Thread Taral
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal CFJ alleging that > ais523 violated Rule 2143 by failing to publish a Mad Scientist's > report for the week of 6 Oct. 2008. Hm... no. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Taral
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * FRIVOLOUS, appropriate if the initiator of the CFJ didn't >reasonably believe that the defendant was GUILTY at the >time e initiated the CFJ. Initiating a criminal CFJ that >c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope, it hasn't registered yet. Also, it isn't a public contract yet > because the B Nomic rules haven't been posted to the Agoran PF, and also > I'm not sure if the proposal to add the Agoran public contract > partnership boi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > In this case I'm using the courts in an attempt to glean > information about the contract in question. The criminal case is not > intended to be an attack on you (sorry if you took it that way), and was > not meant to be a punishment or anything; Way back

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM, The PerlNomic Partnership > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 5801 O 1 1.5 Murphy Left in a Huff > > The distribution of this proposal may have failed; Murphy retracted it > before it was distributed. I re-submitted a revised version (nam

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I proto the following AI=2 proposal, entitled "Indictment Reform". >> >> In Rule 1504, "Criminal Cases": >> >> remove ", with 2 Support," from the first paragraph. >> >> at the end of the list of v

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > I proto the following AI=2 proposal, entitled "Indictment Reform". > > In Rule 1504, "Criminal Cases": > > remove ", with 2 Support," from the first paragraph. > > at the end of the list of valid judgements for the question on > culpability, add: > > *

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:01 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What the > > hey, I also nominate B Nomic for Conductor. > > Fails. At least, I *hope* I didn't miss B Nomic becoming a player. Nope, it hasn't registered y

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:58, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) IIRC that one was explicitly presented as a revision of the rule in question, to tighten up meter or something. No, that was Pavitra's version, which I copied wholesale. -- ehird

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I leave for the day to go hear Governor Palin speak > > I transfer one prop from BobTHJ to Barack Obama. NttPF. And no reason given. And Obama is not a first-class player (as defined by Agora).

DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What the > hey, I also nominate B Nomic for Conductor. Fails. At least, I *hope* I didn't miss B Nomic becoming a player.

DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) IIRC that one was explicitly presented as a revision of the rule in question, to tighten up meter or something.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:37, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:33, Roger Hicks wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:28, Elliott Hird >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Wait, you can't deposit chits for coins. Yep, fails. >>> >> Soagain the real question: Did

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:33, Roger Hicks wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:28, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wait, you can't deposit chits for coins. Yep, fails. Soagain the real question: Did ais523 succeed in depositing zero, four, or five 7 crops in the PBA? BobTHJ as i said

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:28, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wait, you can't deposit chits for coins. Yep, fails. > Soagain the real question: Did ais523 succeed in depositing zero, four, or five 7 crops in the PBA? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:25, Elliott Hird wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:23, Roger Hicks wrote: I know the "I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins" fails as ais523 got the currencies backward. He specified that incorrect PBA rates should still work. So e deposited 65 chits for some co

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:25 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:23, Roger Hicks wrote: > > > I know the "I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins" fails as > > ais523 got the currencies backward. > > > He specified that incorrect PBA rates should still work. So e > deposit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:23, Roger Hicks wrote: I know the "I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins" fails as ais523 got the currencies backward. He specified that incorrect PBA rates should still work. So e deposited 65 chits for some coins. Ugh. -- ehird

Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
ttdf Begin forwarded message: From: Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 21 October 2008 18:18:01 BDT To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7 crops wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:18, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uggh. I need the RBoA report to sort this all out. Anyway, chits are > fungible, so "resulting 65 chits" is just "65 chits", so I consider it a > deposit > of 65 chits. > > I'll work out everything else post-RBoA-report.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7 crops will cost you 360 chits and you only have 334. I'm considering this a withdraw of four 7 crops, and will wait on ehird to determine what occurs on the PBA side before continuing. You have (334 - 288 =) 46 chits.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:09, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) In defense of ehird, some context was lost. E submitted that before the contest as a possible rewrite to the Rule (correcting some meter IIRC) and when the contest started as

DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) In defense of ehird, some context was lost. E submitted that before the contest as a possible rewrite to the Rule (correcting some meter IIRC) and when the contest started asked me if I was willing to include it. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 21:35 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > ais523 wrote: > > > [Actions in this message are meant to take place in order. If an action > > fails, I intend to continue with the others regardless. Also, I intend > > PBA actions to happen even if I have the number of Coins wrong.] > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM, The PerlNomic Partnership > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 5801 O 1 1.5 Murphy Left in a Huff > > The distribution of this proposal may have failed; Murphy retracted it > before

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I proto the following AI=2 proposal, entitled "Indictment Reform". > > In Rule 1504, "Criminal Cases": > > remove ", with 2 Support," from the first paragraph. > > at the end of the list of valid judgements for th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7 crops will cost you 360 chits and you only have 334. I'm considering this a withdraw of four 7 crops, and will wait on ehird to determine what occurs on the PBA side before continuing. You have (334 - 288 =) 46 chits.

DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
I proto the following AI=2 proposal, entitled "Indictment Reform". In Rule 1504, "Criminal Cases": remove ", with 2 Support," from the first paragraph. at the end of the list of valid judgements for the question on culpability, add: * FRIVOLOUS, appropriate if the initi

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:33, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> C'mon nowanyone who can play in Agora is capable of independent >> reasoning. Liberalism springs from a failure of rational >> thinkingyou don't h

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:13 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is >> switching to coins. > > ...until people start depositing more assets in the RBoA,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Pavitra
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:00 am Ian Kelly wrote: > I especially don't want to start a > political discussion within these hallowed fora, so this will be my > only post on the subject. Agreed. Between the Illuminati, UNDEAD, and the People's Bank of Agora, we clearly don't have time for par

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > C'mon nowanyone who can play in Agora is capable of independent > reasoning. Liberalism springs from a failure of rational > thinkingyou don't have to believe it just because they told you it > was true. Funny, I wou

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I withdraw five 1 crops from the RBoA. > I deposit five 1 crops in the PBA. OK, -330 chits. You have 460 chits remaining. > This gives me 45 Coins, which I deposit in the RBoA for 450 Chits. 45 coins deposited for 450 chits. Yo

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 09:51, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From the perspective of the RBOA / AAA / Vote Market (using the info > already gathered from the PBA): > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I withdraw two 0 crops from the PBA. I deposit t

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
>From the perspective of the RBOA / AAA / Vote Market (using the info already gathered from the PBA): On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I withdraw two 0 crops from the PBA. I deposit two 0 crops in the RBoA. OK, +50 chits > I deposit all my 37 Coins in the RBo

DIS: Re: BUS: Note exchange and PBA stuff

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:02, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join the Note Exchange. I fill the open Buy Ticket to create Note > Markers. (How many do I have to create?). > Fails as already discussed. > I create a Note Marker/Note Credit pair of each of the following > pitches: > > C#,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 16:13, comex wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is switching to coins. ...until people start depositing more assets in the RBoA, and there's no reason they should

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is > switching to coins. ...until people start depositing more assets in the RBoA, and there's no reason they shouldn't.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:46, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:42, Roger Hicks wrote: >> >> Oops...and finally, through your PBA deposit net you 68 coins (instead >> of 60) I am only considering 60 coins to be deposited in the RBOA. >> >> BobTHJ > > > Actually, the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:37, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:27, Roger Hicks wrote: > >> Liberalism springs from a failure of rational thinking > > > So does assuming, and so do generalizations. > Fair enoughtouche. BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:34, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I RBOA-withdraw 10 0 crops. [-385 chits, I believe.] this only costs 280 chits. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:42, Roger Hicks wrote: Oops...and finally, through your PBA deposit net you 68 coins (instead of 60) I am only considering 60 coins to be deposited in the RBOA. BobTHJ Actually, the whole thing was ineffective, due to incorrectly specified rates. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:39, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:37, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:10, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Did you guys get this? I got neither a "sorry, you're not subscribed" >>> nor an echo.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:37, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:10, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Did you guys get this? I got neither a "sorry, you're not subscribed" >> nor an echo. >> >> If the below message was not sent successfully, I send it now. I'll

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:10, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you guys get this? I got neither a "sorry, you're not subscribed" > nor an echo. > > If the below message was not sent successfully, I send it now. I'll > see about subscribing that address to the lists. > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:27, Roger Hicks wrote: Liberalism springs from a failure of rational thinking So does assuming, and so do generalizations. -- ehird

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:55, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 21 Oct 2008, at 05:39, Roger Hicks wrote: >> >> I leave for the day to go hear Governor Palin speak > > My condolences. C'mon nowanyone who can play in Agora is capable of independent reasoning. Liberalism springs fr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:51, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 13:26, The PerlNomic Partnership >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE >>> 5794 O 1 1.0 Murphy

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