Re: [9fans] Arduino programming on plan 9

2025-01-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2025/01/04 01:46, Charles Forsyth wrote: I noticed a few directories were still GPL; they are now MIT. Just because it was a bit obscured (and I tend to be a little slow): https://github.com/forsyth/avr.git Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: htt

Re: [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.]

2024-05-18 Thread Lucio De Re
PM Charles Forsyth wrote: > Fossil will run without venti, but the moment you connect it to a venti, > it cannot be standalone again, as it stands. > > On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 14:50, Lucio De Re wrote: > >> Please include me as well. I have an unambitious plan I would like to &

Re: [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.]

2024-05-18 Thread Lucio De Re
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Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-18 Thread Lucio De Re
data when they happen and they're > rare enough I haven't bothered investigating most of them yet. > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9f

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-17 Thread Lucio De Re
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Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-17 Thread Lucio De Re
b/profile. > > I have a branch of 9front with fossil restored. I have discussed what > would be needed to add fossil upstream again, and there was acceptance > to the possibility if the issues get worked out _first_. > > The hostility on this list is pervasive and comes from all si

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-15 Thread Lucio De Re
ou said fossil is > not exactly > easy to deal with, it needs a lot of special consideration. So why then > are you complaining > that 9front made the decision to remove that option for the uninformed > user? Does it not > make more sense to direct users towards a filesystem that is

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-15 Thread Lucio De Re
doned 9fans > in the past for reasons not dissimilar from these; I can read the > undercurrent ("because you are asking for other people to maintain your > software for you for free"), I am not impolite enough to respond in kind. > > Are your intentions not to persuade someon

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-15 Thread Lucio De Re
ntain your software for you for free"), I am not impolite enough to respond in kind. Lucio. On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 8:05 AM Jacob Moody wrote: > On 5/14/24 23:46, Lucio De Re wrote: > > If this comes across as a troll, keep in mind that it is your > interpretation that mak

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

2024-05-14 Thread Lucio De Re
ey are not ones where where new voices weren’t heard or old ones > were ignored. > > The flurries of traffic on this list often seem to have a negative tone to > me. It means a lot to me when the conversations are supportive. > > I hope this recent activity continues on as more co

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
ose such issues are best solved by a fist fight, therefore > acknowledging the legacy of dispute resolution methods of our ancestors and > fostering a more resilient and vibrant community that thrives on both > change > and tradition. -- Lucio De Re

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
gressive way to insult him? > > — thedæmon > > On Friday, May 10th, 2024 at 6:53 AM, Lucio De Re > wrote: > > I am not allowed to ignore some advice when Vic raises a much more > interesting subject matter and does it in a perfectly justified and well > formulated fashion

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
t the last ANTS release will probably work on your hardware. iirc > noam had also tried to update it based on latest 9front some time > ago, but I'm not sure where that lives. > > You have everything you need, courtesy of your "enemies", the > "defenders of the

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
't you just let 9legacy > >>> die? is there a single 9legacy-only improvement that's worth having in > >>> the first place? why does this discussion here even exist? if you want > >>> interoperability between things just upgrade everyt

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
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Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-10 Thread Lucio De Re
>> > > >> Recognition Program > > >> Recognizing the hard work and achievements of community members is > important. Plans to introduce a recognition program that highlights > significant contributions and successes are being explored. > > >> >

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-09 Thread Lucio De Re
ons > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tde2ca2adda383a3a-M7ea4a

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-09 Thread Lucio De Re
utions and successes are being explored. > >> > >> Addressing Historical Concerns > >> Dedicating time to openly discuss historical concerns is crucial for > moving forward. This could help reconcile and strengthen community ties. > >> > >> Feedb

[9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

2024-05-08 Thread Lucio De Re
t;native" platforms. I must admit I got to know nits in these two distributions that I would rather I didn't have to, but I've just about had enough. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] dd(1) takes very long

2024-03-01 Thread Lucio De Re
> All of my e-mails are cryptographically signed. Verify them. > -- > You don't need an AI for a robot uprising. > Humans will do just fine. > -- > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] Re: Hello, RPi fixes and bind -b trouble

2024-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
that may well become the foundation. Occasionally Esperanto is mentioned, but my experience suggests that is as hopeless as the adoption of Swahili in Africa. PS: thanks for documenting your efforts, they will save others a lot of brain-ache. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State)

Re: [9fans] Formation of a Plan 9 Core Team

2024-01-26 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/26/24, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> People use 9front, which is not plan 9. Many good things >> started as forks, and that's ok. > > mostly i agreed. but to me plan9 is just an old 9front version without > the bootloader. > It's a neat summary, but it reflects a particular perspective and

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-25 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/26/24, Don A. Bailey wrote: > I literally don’t care. > Then I don't think you belong here. If you believe you can excommunicate the majority of Plan 9 contributors (have you counted the members of the "Pure 9" vs "9front" clans, at all?) by dictum ex cathedra, I think you belong in the Midd

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/25/24, Noam Preil wrote: > I wasn't talking to you :P > > That was a response to the post that looked AI-generated. I sincerely > apologize if I accidentally responded to your post instead, but I don't > think I did > If you find it difficult to quote at least the sender of the message you ar

Re: [9fans] odd rwakeup qunlock behaviour in 9vx

2023-11-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/10/23, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > [ ... ] > > The reasoning behind this thread is only informing others about possible > problems I encountered. I don't need a solution I already have a working > workaround using simple locks. My code would be of no benefit for other > plan9

Re: [9fans] odd rwakeup qunlock behaviour in 9vx

2023-11-08 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/9/23, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > > If there is interest for reproducing the exact circumstances I can write a > small example app which involves different processes accessing the same > shared memory segments which are inherited by the rfork methods. > I assume that such an

Re: [9fans] Remind me how to make the fs writable for `mk install'

2023-08-30 Thread Lucio De Re
o /bin/9fs or it's already there: "9fs fossil". Lucio. On 8/30/23, Don Bailey wrote: > Hi All, > > I am trying to `mk install' all cmds/libs. Can someone please remind me how > to tell fossil that an active fs can be written? > > Thank you, > D --

Re: [9fans] [PATCH] fossil: fix a deadlock in the caching logic

2023-04-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/6/23, n...@pixelhero.dev wrote: > Quoth Charles Forsyth : >> fussing about certain things for hard drives that probably don't matter >> for >> SSD let alone nvme > > I am once again asking you to be more specific, please :) > > I have Plans for improving venti for myself, it'd be great to act

Re: [9fans] iwp9: papers announced

2023-03-13 Thread Lucio De Re
omains > Jacob Moody > - Ghostbusters > Noam Preil and Sigrid > - An O(1) Method for Storage Snapshots > Brian L Stuart > - Plan 9 and Inferno Go to School > Brian L Stuart > -A 9P Server for Application Management in Single Level Stores: A Sta

[9fans] Signature algorithms for P9P ssh-agent

2023-02-10 Thread Lucio De Re
Briefly: I hacked P9P's ssh-agent to handle my 4096-bit RSA key, but it still interacts poorly with conventional Linux/Debian installations of OpenSSH. The error message: agent key RSA SHA256:XXX...XXX returned incorrect signature type is explained as follows on stackoverflow: This message means

Re: [9fans] Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote: > I have made some progress. I have managed to retrieve email in Acme, but as > yet I cannot send. If I try to send a mail nothing happens. > You now need to change the system settings for upas in the /mail/lib directory. Pick an example that suits you and - u

Re: [9fans] Re: Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote: > [ ... ]. Yes, I am trying to set up Mail on plan9 but it is > for me like a blind man groping in the dark. I did manage to do it once, but > have no idea how I did it! The manual pages take some getting used to, but, believe me, everything you need is held i

Re: [9fans] Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/: open: error

2023-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/17/23, revr...@mweb.co.za wrote: > In trying to access Mail via Acme, I get this error: > > Mail 447: /mail/fs/mbox/:open '/mail/fs/mbox/' does not exist > > Is this a bug? Anyone know how to resolve this issue? > I haven't tried it yet myself, but I presume you need to configure and deploy U

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-15 Thread Lucio De Re
Are you perhaps using an unusual hyphen (m-dash, perhaps)? -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-15 Thread Lucio De Re
It's the "-F" that the invoked "acme" complains about, then the font filename. That just doesn't compute. mnt/font is interpreted by the font management library as a Unix socket to the font server. 9 man fontsrv will help some, it shows how to check which font

Re: [9fans] Setting acme to a GoMono or DejavuSansMono font

2023-01-14 Thread Lucio De Re
You probably have a shell alias or a shell function called acme. The p9p acme does accept the -f and -F options, I use them all the time. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] the practicality of plan 9

2022-11-08 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/9/22, fig wrote: > sirjofri, thank you for the reply. don’t be sorry for the long response, i > greatly appreciate it. when i was told plan 9 is built on only a few > principles and basic abstractions, that was spot on. > If you read the early Plan 9 documentation, you'll discover that origi

Re: [9fans] Creating alternative network directories

2022-10-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/7/22, Lucio De Re wrote: > #l and #l0 are identical, the latter is the software (for want of a > better term) instance of the latter, #1 is the second and #2 is the > third. > > If you read the man page carefully - and I'm answering this not out of > experience, bu

Re: [9fans] Creating alternative network directories

2022-10-06 Thread Lucio De Re
; 1: what are the important steps that go into creating a network stacks > directory? > 2: is the way Im doing so the correct course, or is there a best practice i > should be following instead? > > Thank you :) This is my first time on the mailing list so please be kind! -- Lu

Re: [9fans] 9front hackathon report

2022-09-26 Thread Lucio De Re
27;all create a Git development branch for this? Lucio. On 9/27/22, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > the gsoc thread reminded me that I should also probably post the > hackathon writeup that I put together here, for the curious: > > https://orib.dev/9hack1.html > -- Lucio De Re 2 P

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/2/22, Clout Tolstoy wrote: > Years ago I worked at a non-profit called FreeGeek (in Portland, Oregon > USA) . We used to do grants for computers and sent some over to Uganda, > amongst other places. I'm not sure of their current status on their grant, > but it could be worth a shot. You migh

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
, Aug 02, 2022 at 05:38:39AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: >> It's a shame that the SDF wiki >> (https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=vps_-_plan_9_9front) returns a >> missing page. > > Looks like it just got moved: > https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=plan_9_9front >

Re: [9fans] USB3 1Gb ethernet card working on 9legacy (rpi 4)

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/1/22, adr wrote: > > Oh, and thanks for trying with your pi, I know it takes time and > I appreaciate it. > Well, let me say thanks to you for instigating some interesting and seemingly fruitful discussion - a rare gem and a precious one. Lucio. -- 9f

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

2022-08-01 Thread Lucio De Re
wound up with running an amd64 kernel with an >> > incomplete >> > amd64 install. For building libc again: >> > >> > cd /sys/src/libc/ && mk install && mk clean >> > >> > However, you may be missing more then just libc, in that cas

Re: [9fans] Re: ctrans - Chinese language input for Plan9

2022-07-21 Thread Lucio De Re
rently to - caused the Chinese to make great strides in computing. Lucio. > -- > 9fans: 9fans > Permalink: > https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tba6835d445e07919-Mfd7cc77a83bcefbc998c371e > Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/

Re: [9fans] ctrans - Chinese language input for Plan9

2022-07-19 Thread Lucio De Re
I have only one word for all the above: amazing! As a dumb occidental, I have no idea where one starts with ideograms, but I realise how different the concept is and how its complexity can stimulate technical creativity. Well done, all! Lucio. On 7/20/22, s...@9p.sdf.org wrote: > With the rece

Re: [9fans] void*

2022-05-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/16/22, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i still don't understand it. if you want a pointer of size 1 what > keeps you from using a generic char or uint8 pointer? > I think what he's asking is "what's keeping everyone else from using...". I guess we're all evangelists at heart. Lucio. --

Re: [9fans] How to create a different size of Courier font in plan9

2022-03-11 Thread Lucio De Re
texts looks very small on the > screen. Is there any way to make a courier font of a bigger size like 16px > or 15px. > > Thank you > > _resun > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] plan9port acme imageinit: can't open font

2022-03-03 Thread Lucio De Re
You nay have to delete the namespace in /tmp that may have been created under root's permissions. I'm guessing, but it seems the most likely culprit. That, or fontsrv, which may also have left something that only root can access. Of course, /mnt/font is a dreadful red herring. Lucio. ---

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 applying to GSoC

2022-02-19 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/18/22, Anthony Sorace wrote: > Plan 9 is applying to GSoC again! > > [ ... ] I've done a bit of work on P9P's fontsrv as well as a version - somewhat mysteriously different - "ported" to Plan 9. If we can debate the pros and cons of effectively replacing the static availability of fonts in P

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-28 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/28/22, Bakul Shah wrote: > > Think of really simple, low power, low cost devices. > USB can also provide power. USB+ATtiny85 devel boards > cost ~$3 even at Amazon. And FPGA boards can be > pretty inexpensive too. If you can find them. > I've recommended olimex.com in the past. They specialis

Re: [9fans] building blocks speaking 9p

2022-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/28/22, Bakul Shah wrote: > The idea: > - make it very easy to create hardware gadgets by > providing a firmware/hardware building block that > talks 9p on the host interface side & interfaces > with device specific hardware. > > [ ... ] > Sounds very appealing. There's a UEFI-based dev

Re: [9fans] licence question

2022-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/28/22, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > I noticed that I can't distribute fonts and ghostscript as part of a plan9 > (9legacy, 9front) system due to their licensing terms. > Any font you realy, really can't live without? > Does anybody know about code, libraries, binaries, documen

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundationy

2022-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
9, im obviously also gonna be hyping my >>> stuff along with trying to fight against right wing ideas. >>> The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all >>> humans requires good information resources and support. >>> The

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/24/22, adr wrote: > > You are aware that you are talking to the most stupidly writen bot > in the history of the _I've_no_life_some_one_pay_me_attention_please_ > retards? > > There is an episode of South Park when some poor kid get > all exited because one person makes him a friend on facebo

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/23/22, Conor Williams wrote: > hello mein names ist __insert name here___ > > this is not a 9front mailing list It isn't, but unless *all* 9front users and fans (need not be one homogenous group) choose to stop using this list, I have no objection to assisting them or learn from them. I don't

Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

2022-01-20 Thread Lucio De Re
> Here it seems to only recognise the internal hard drive (sdC0). I've > encountered the same problem when installing vanilla Plan 9 from Bell Labs, > but none of the suggestions in the Plan 9 troubleshooting guide work. > > Has anyone encountered similar problems before or any ide

Re: [9fans] 9legacy under OpenBSD's vmm

2022-01-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/16/22, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote: > It gets a bit further -- now it actually panics :-P > > [ ... ] > > cpu0: 5200MHz GenuineIntel Core i7 (cpuid: AX 0x206A1 DX 0x79BA97F) > ELCR: 02E8 > 497M memory: 497M kernel data, 0M user, 18M swap > panic: no disks (in #S) > panic: no disks

Re: [9fans] Boot CD chokes

2021-12-31 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/31/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > so instead i learned to be a little bit picky about the hardware > avoiding having to write drivers for everything that doesn't work. > The Lenovo Thinkpad T68 I managed to lay my hands on wasn't that cheap and came with an Atheros based wi-fi card. S

Re: [9fans] devtls memory leak bug

2021-09-26 Thread Lucio De Re
t/plan9front/1cff923af4dbcaaab515cc04ea40c559eab7830f/commit.html > > -- > cinap -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9f

[9fans] 9hybrid on T61 - work in progress (small beginnings?)

2021-09-03 Thread Lucio De Re
The combination of (IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad) T60 chassis and T61 mother board is known as FrankenPad, I learnt since I bought a none too well refurbished Lenovo T61 7659-CTO laptop for a moderate price. I had long wished I could get a T61, so that was some impulsive buying. Maybe I should have spent t

Re: [9fans] porting projects...

2021-09-03 Thread Lucio De Re
> i'm not too shoddy at the auld porting etc...cw -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9f

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/19/21, sirjofri wrote: > Hello dear community, > > I've read through many things in this thread and just want to add some > two cents in a list format: > > 1) p9f (to my knowledge) never said anything about The One Plan 9. This > was afaik the idea of some other community member, and I never

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/19/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I never said it was *the* development branch. > > lol > > but it is. > Correct. On two fronts, to coin a phrase. It is active and it is well supported. It is the pragmatic end of the Plan 9 spectrum, courtesy of Cinap who clearly would be a Torvalds if

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
Plan 9 is Plan 9. 9front is 9front. 9front is an >> open-source fork or derivation of Plan 9. >> >> Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm >> not sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need >> official reco

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm not > sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need > official recognition. Let 9front be what it is. It can exist independent of > the Plan 9 name. > The exa

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go > on. > Let me put it this way: German and Italian motorcycle manufacturers eventually figured that the gear shift should be on the same side as Japanese manufacturers preferred. What I

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > is that my cue, are you calling in my services?! > If you have any actual understanding of factotum, *I* could easily gain from consulting such knowledge to scratch some of my immediate itches, as I'm no expert and factotum is only slowly revealing its s

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/18/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> Does it work? > > Have you tried it? What bugs do you > have to report? > No. I have neither the 9front platform, nor the Oauth2 requirements that would motivate an outsider to try something like that out. Had

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/17/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> PS: This does rather sound like we ought to have a lobbying group > > You realize that this *is* the lobbying, right? > Does it work? > Someone did the work, posted a patch, and is > asking for review a

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs wrote: > One Plan Nine? > > Sure, we have the historical version of the Bell Labs/Lucient codebase, > preserved as 9legacy, but yeah we have one currently developed branch of > Plan 9 called 9front. Are you proposing that to be called “Plan 9 from Bell > Labs 5th edition”?

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-16 Thread Lucio De Re
oke-browser-and-get-token-helper > >> Refresh tokens are not saved to persistent storage when factotum >> exits. The user must provide consent every time factotum is restarted. > > For this, the tokens should probably be persisted into > secstore -- but there are some security

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/16/21, Demetrius Iatrakis wrote: > This is a preview of OAuth2 support in factotum, as part of this year's > GSoC: > https://github.com/Mitsos101/plan9front/pull/1 > Sounds amazing, on many levels. So, thank you. Having just been through an only partially successful hack of P9P factotum and

Re: Posix implementation of Plan 9 cpu(1) (Was: [9fans] Command to set samterm label)

2021-07-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/19/21, Steve Simon wrote: > > my cpu for windows was always incomplete, but good enough that i never > finished it properly. > It's on contrib, is it not? I'll take a peek, if my haphazard priority list allows it :-) > for posix i just use sftpfs or now cinap’s sshftp to import the filesyste

Re: [9fans] sam label and rio snarf buffer

2021-07-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/21/21, adr via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: >> You'll need to reinvent (or change, at least) plumbing if you want >> multiple editors, be it one >> per file or one per project. > > I'll make sam create allways the named pipe with the pid in the > name so I can identify wich one I want to tal

Posix implementation of Plan 9 cpu(1) (Was: [9fans] Command to set samterm label)

2021-07-18 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/19/21, adr via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > [ ...]. Running samterm locally is way more efficient than > using X forwarding. > I have adopted on my Linux (Mint) workstations - plural - the paradigm: ssh -fX remote acme -l lib/task.acme # for different tasks and it works even remotel

Re: [9fans] plan9 and touch screens

2021-06-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > Inferno can work quite comfortably with a touchscreen and a virtual > "bitsy" keyboard. It's a different user interface from rio, but not > horribly worse. Likely Plan 9 could be adapted to do the same. > And handwriting may have been discard

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/24/21, un...@cpan.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> On 6/24/21, Romano wrote: >> > [...] But I'm a nobody, so I'm probably not going to persuade >> > anyone. >> > >> [ ... ] >> >> The sentiment implied in the sentence above

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-23 Thread Lucio De Re
Eish! I really can't resist, can I? On 6/24/21, Romano wrote: > [...] But I'm a nobody, so I'm probably not going to persuade > anyone. > Let me try and keep this short, but it won't be easy. Firstly, this is not intended as an offence, particularly against Romano, it is merely an alert against

Re: [9fans] Installation problem - partdisk loop - sdC0 QEMU QEMU DVD ...

2021-04-04 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/4/21, josecllopessoa...@gmail.com wrote: > > Somebody, pacient, have some idea how can I solve this.? If I remember right, under VMware ESX, the CDROM needed to be disconnected during installation. But the exact details are no longer clear in my recollections. I don't really know that such

Re: [9fans] Foundation new releases question

2021-04-01 Thread Lucio De Re
I need time to assimilate mindset changing concepts, I should not respond as quickly as I am doing here, so please understand that nothing below is intended to offend anyone, it is more a totally subjective and poorly formulated knee-jerk reaction to what is clearly a critical event in Plan 9's exi

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-28 Thread Lucio De Re
On 3/26/21, Charles Forsyth wrote: > That reminds me that this > https://retrage.github.io/2020/08/01/9pfspkg-en.html looked quite > interesting but I haven't had a chance to try it yet. > I have followed the instructions and with a little help (I filed an issue and I got a prompt, helpful respons

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-26 Thread Lucio De Re
On 3/26/21, saif.re...@outlook.com wrote: > I've uncompressed .bz2 but the problem is burning the .ISO file. And I also > have some problem. I don't use any GNU or Linux related stuffs. Most of the > ISO burner are from GUN. I used the one that comes with Windows and also > tried Rufus(though I do

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

2021-03-26 Thread Lucio De Re
The trouble here isn't so much Windows as failure to realise that a compressed image isn't what one needs to write to the CD. I don't know what tools are available on Windows to uncompress .bz2 files. Once that hurdle is overcome, I have little doubt that wrting to CD (or to a USB drive) will be st

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I have no doubt that they will find what they seek, or cope with something near enough. Let me ponder this, see what further suggestions may come from our not-quite-OSS community. Lucio. On 2/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> You could recommend the Plan 9 RISC-V assembler, C

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> So far I have been shy to recommend Plan 9 to them > > You could recommend the Plan 9 RISC-V assembler, C compiler and linker > as a stand-alone toolset without the need to run Plan 9 - because they > are also available as part of inferno, w

Re: [9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/24/21, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > > FWIW, I bought Olimex-lime2 (ARM) (severals) and I'm more satisfied with > these than with > Raspberries (I installed NetBSD on this, plan9 was not tried). > > So if the RISC-V is on the same level of quality, it should be certainly > worth. Exactly my

[9fans] Olimex: these guys are keen electronic engineers.

2021-02-23 Thread Lucio De Re
They say: > This is the first Espressif product with RISC-V core, the datasheet is on > their web. > > This is also the first SOC with RISC-V core we have access to, so we are > excited to learn > more the ISA on low level. > > Any resources to recommend? So far I have been shy to recommend Pla

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-13 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/13/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > what is the dark side? for me the borders between plan9 and non-plan9 > has been getting less tight, bec. with more experience i understand > how to translate mindsets, or even code, from one system to the other > without anybody in my real life ever a

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-12 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/12/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > The mix of derailing the thread, and the lack of > answer for echoline, who *was* offering to do the > work, but got no answer on whether there's interest, > just rubbed me the wrong way. > It wasn't meant to derail the thread, it was meant to lay down so

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-11 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/11/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I like >> to think that there is "One plan 9" struggling to be born from these >> variations. > > it there's any "One plan 9" it's clearly called golang. cause all > added syscalls to any of the distributions came from there... > Well, I'd love to catch

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-10 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/11/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>: >> 9legacy patches are available as "unified diff" format and >> are generated with "ape/diff -Nru". > > Alright, noted for the future. > Here's what I' ve been thinking about that may be worth sharing: I'd like

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > > I'm not even sure where or how to start. dp9ik seems important if > 9legacy doesn't already have something similar. that's probably both a > bug fix and feature... and quite a task! but I would be interested in > porting patches back to learn more > I guess you pic

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy are not well-maintained. I'm > trying to figure out if this would be an appreciated exercise from someone > (me) who doesn't know all that much and would learn from doing it, and if > so, what are priorities for things to

Re: [9fans] authoritative source for u9fs?

2021-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
No the source code differences are pretty vast as well, although right now I couldn't tell you what the main theme of the changes might be. Lucio. On 1/27/21, Ethan Gardener wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, at 5:10 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: >> >> PS: The new executable seems no

Re: [9fans] authoritative source for u9fs?

2021-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/25/21, Charles Forsyth wrote: > I've just accepted an important pull request to it that I missed, until I > looked at it in response to this, so you should do another pull to get > that. > Generally, though it has been reasonably stable for some time. Changes are > often just to cope with thi

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

2021-01-18 Thread Lucio De Re
You'll be amazed how quickly you get used to not having the Caps Lock key causing you grief, as it then starts doing on every other platform. Except that Ctrl-A (well, Caps-Lock-A) then becomes a bit of a nightmare. And the Insert key as Expand is not my favourite, either. Erik Quanstrom long ago

Re: [9fans] netsurf or opossum

2021-01-07 Thread Lucio De Re
t box. > > Both have almost same functionality and speed etc. > A page with JS (https://eonet.ne.jp) is almost same as that by JS enabled > netsurf. > > How do you think? > > Kenji > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-09 Thread Lucio De Re
> The exact error is "Invalid address length 4 - must be 6 bytes". I tried a > few others including 0.0.0.0 but none of them worked. Not specifying this > argument however doesn't trigger any complaints. > > Perhaps it's time to peruse the man pages for ip! But I ha

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/9/20, remyw...@cs.washington.edu wrote: > > [ ... ] You're brave! > And several details: > 1. I had to hard-code the tap device name "tap5" because `ip tuntap ...` > doesn't return the interface name. > 2. I have no idea what 0.0.0.0 is, or where to pass it in. (tried `ip link > set tap5 up

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