[DISCUSS] Why OpenMeetings needs a Style Guide

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi,

I would like to establish a Style Guide for OpenMeetings.

*Why is it important to have a Style Guide*
A Style guide helps to make consistent design decisions. A reference to
agree on before doing try-and-error discussions that can be costly and
frustrating. In the end it may not really matter if the colour of the alert
modal is red or orange. And it may not matter if the OK and Cancel button
is left and right. Or the opposite.

But what matters is that once you decide for one of those patterns you do
it consistently! Not come up with alternating patterns or have various
different versions of a UI/UX of similar functionality.

Further material and examples on what a typical Style Guide (and
StoryBooks) would contain and solve:

   - https://www.toptal.com/designers/ui/ui-styleguide-better-ux
   - http://styleguides.io/examples.html

*So I made a start here:*
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide

*And I started with 2 topics:*

   - *Hiding vs Disabling of elements*:
   
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide#OpenMeetingsUIandUXStyleGuide-HidingvsDisablingelements
   - *Primary vs Secondary call to actions buttons: *
   
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide#OpenMeetingsUIandUXStyleGuide-PrimaryvsSecondarycalltoactionsbuttons
   
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide#OpenMeetingsUIandUXStyleGuide-PrimaryvsSecondarycalltoactionsbuttons>


*Needs your Support*
If you could please add some feedback on those topics.
And also if you could help adding more topics where you feel like there is
some inconsistency that would be worth agreeing on.

I appreciate this could be a long process and seems tedious to discuss this
in such detail. But it will be much faster to discuss this in theory and
agree (or disagree) on a style guide than refactor things later.
As well as it will help to discover inconsistencies that make the
application hard to use.

Thanks,
Seb
-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: [DISCUSS] Why OpenMeetings needs a Style Guide

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

@Ed I think this will be an ongoing effort. Shouldn't block releasing. But
maybe we agree on sth. And then get some part done in each release.

For example: Right now "Request right ***" icons/menu items are hidden in
case user already have particular right
=> Request permission buttons are always special. Cause you see them if you
do _not_ have permissions. So those hidden/visible are inverted. You will
NOT see the buttons if you HAVE the permissions.

p.s. I found no inline comments in confluence :(((
=> You should be able to select text and hover should present comment
bubble:
[image: image.png]

Cheers!
Seb


On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:12, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Hello Sebastian,
>
> I believe above rules should be tweaked
> For example: Right now "Request right ***" icons/menu items are hidden
> in case user already have particular right
> It seems to me this behavior doesn't fit the rules you are proposing
>
> >> all whiteboard tools including the document navigation should be
> disabled if there is currently nothing to select
>
> So you are proposing to show page navigation even if there is no document
> on WB?
>
>
> p.s. I found no inline comments in confluence :(((
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 13:59, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> >
> > The VOTE for M4 has been started:
> https://markmail.org/message/zuduhgvci7lm2owy
> >
> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 13:56,  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Let's NOT let this style guide idea block the forthcoming 5.0.0
> release - which we have been waiting for for so long, please. If people
> want to have a style guide - let's do it for the 5.0.1 or 5.1 release,
> please. This will take too long to do before the 5.0.0 release.
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting seba.wag...@gmail.com:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I would like to establish a Style Guide for OpenMeetings.
> > >
> > > Why is it important to have a Style Guide
> > > A Style guide helps to make consistent design decisions. A reference
> to agree on before doing try-and-error discussions that can be costly and
> frustrating. In the end it may not really matter if the colour of the alert
> modal is red or orange. And it may not matter if the OK and Cancel button
> is left and right. Or the opposite.
> > >
> > > But what matters is that once you decide for one of those patterns you
> do it consistently! Not come up with alternating patterns or have various
> different versions of a UI/UX of similar functionality.
> > >
> > > Further material and examples on what a typical Style Guide (and
> StoryBooks) would contain and solve:
> > >
> > > https://www.toptal.com/designers/ui/ui-styleguide-better-ux
> > > http://styleguides.io/examples.html
> > >
> > > So I made a start here:
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide
> > >
> > > And I started with 2 topics:
> > >
> > > Hiding vs Disabling of elements:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide#OpenMeetingsUIandUXStyleGuide-HidingvsDisablingelements
> > > Primary vs Secondary call to actions buttons:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide#OpenMeetingsUIandUXStyleGuide-PrimaryvsSecondarycalltoactionsbuttons
> > >
> > > Needs your Support
> > > If you could please add some feedback on those topics.
> > > And also if you could help adding more topics where you feel like
> there is some inconsistency that would be worth agreeing on.
> > >
> > > I appreciate this could be a long process and seems tedious to discuss
> this in such detail. But it will be much faster to discuss this in theory
> and agree (or disagree) on a style guide than refactor things later.
> > > As well as it will help to discover inconsistencies that make the
> application hard to use.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Seb
> > > --
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>


-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: [DISCUSS] Why OpenMeetings needs a Style Guide

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

@Denis Noctor: I think you are right that we don't want to stop Maxim. I'm
also not proposing to create Jiras for Maxim to fix. I propose to create
Jiras to fix them myself.
And already did submit a few PRs based on some of my suggestions:
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/pull/63#issue-405378990
and
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/pull/59/files/89a006c507371c658bf5cc938a4bdef69b609513#r407924797
=> But the consensus based on discussing with Maxim+Denis was that we
should discuss those on the mailing list first. Because some of the UI
elements have been changed back n forth even since I can remember 5+ years
ago. And he is prob right that getting more feedback is better then less.
=> So I'm asking for more feedback on proposals - So we can agree on UI/UX
changes - I can do the code fixes - on top of what Maxim does. And also the
PR doesn't need 100 comments cause we agree on the design before doing the
change.

@Peter yeah some mobile design would be nice. I have not had time to mock
anything up yet

Cheers
Seb


On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:11, Peter Dähn  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think this is a good time to have a look at mobile view of OM. Maxim
> changed everthing (?) to bootstrap so we have the precondition to have a
> look at it.
>
> Greetings Peter
>
> Am 19.04.20 um 09:12 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> > Hello Sebastian,
> >
> > I believe above rules should be tweaked
> > For example: Right now "Request right ***" icons/menu items are hidden
> > in case user already have particular right
> > It seems to me this behavior doesn't fit the rules you are proposing
> >
> >>> all whiteboard tools including the document navigation should be
> disabled if there is currently nothing to select
> > So you are proposing to show page navigation even if there is no
> document on WB?
> >
> >
> > p.s. I found no inline comments in confluence :(((
> >
> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 13:59, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> >> The VOTE for M4 has been started:
> https://markmail.org/message/zuduhgvci7lm2owy
> >>
> >> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 13:56,  wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> Let's NOT let this style guide idea block the forthcoming 5.0.0
> release - which we have been waiting for for so long, please. If people
> want to have a style guide - let's do it for the 5.0.1 or 5.1 release,
> please. This will take too long to do before the 5.0.0 release.
> >>>
> >>> best,
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Quoting seba.wag...@gmail.com:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to establish a Style Guide for OpenMeetings.
> >>>
> >>> Why is it important to have a Style Guide
> >>> A Style guide helps to make consistent design decisions. A reference
> to agree on before doing try-and-error discussions that can be costly and
> frustrating. In the end it may not really matter if the colour of the alert
> modal is red or orange. And it may not matter if the OK and Cancel button
> is left and right. Or the opposite.
> >>>
> >>> But what matters is that once you decide for one of those patterns you
> do it consistently! Not come up with alternating patterns or have various
> different versions of a UI/UX of similar functionality.
> >>>
> >>> Further material and examples on what a typical Style Guide (and
> StoryBooks) would contain and solve:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.toptal.com/designers/ui/ui-styleguide-better-ux
> >>> http://styleguides.io/examples.html
> >>>
> >>> So I made a start here:
> >>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide
> >>>
> >>> And I started with 2 topics:
> >>>
> >>> Hiding vs Disabling of elements:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide#OpenMeetingsUIandUXStyleGuide-HidingvsDisablingelements
> >>> Primary vs Secondary call to actions buttons:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide#OpenMeetingsUIandUXStyleGuide-PrimaryvsSecondarycalltoactionsbuttons
> >>>
> >>> Needs your Support
> >>> If you could please add some feedback on those topics.
> >>> And also if you could help adding more topics where you feel like
> there is some inconsistency that would be worth agreeing on.
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate this could be a long process and seems tedious to discuss
> this in such detail. But it will be much faster to discuss this in theory
> and agree (or disagree) on a style guide than refactor things later.
> >>> As well as it will help to discover inconsistencies that make the
> application hard to use.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Seb
> >>> --
> >>> Sebastian Wagner
> >>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Maxim
> >
> >
>
>

-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Apple Mac doesn't play any audio coming from OM

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I did have a quick check on audio, and it seemed fine in latest nightly
build.
I also quickly recorded it:
https://youtu.be/_PvlrtV3niQ

The voice on the video is the same I heard.

Thanks
Seb

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 01:26, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> don't forget to add user@ list
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:25, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> >
> > please also chech comments in this issue
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2189
> >
> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:14, Marcus Wellnitz 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebastian,
> > >
> > > Do you have some time for a remote-connection (AnyDesk) to find the
> issue on tis mac?
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Marcus
> > >
> > > Am 19.04.20 um 14:42 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> > >
> > > Got JIRA notification in sunny Siberia :)))
> > >
> > > Unfortunately I have no Mac to test :(
> > >
> > > @Sebastian have tested on Mac :)
> > >
> > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:32, Marcus Wellnitz <
> mar...@wellnitzfamily.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > jira: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2277
> > >
> > > I've played a lot around this issue during AnyDesk-Session. I have no
> clue :-(
> > >
> > > Maybe someone has MAC-OS-X with OM up and running?
> > >
> > > Greetings from the sunny Germany to the crazy corona-world outside
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Marcus Wellnitz
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Marcus Wellnitz
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>


-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Reset whiteboard does not reset anything

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I don't know that menu item, but is it supposed to be the same like the
whiteboard panel on the right hand side ?
Do we really need it also in the menu ?

Cheers
Seb

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 04:21, Daniel Baker 
wrote:

> Tested on  https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/
>
> Not seeing it do anything.
>
>
> Expect it to return WB to original state ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>


-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: user count could be moved

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Could you add a section in the "Component" list at:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/OpenMeetings+UI+and+UX+Style+Guide

And if you can - add a screenshot that illustrates a position or place -
where you think there is space to display the user count.

Cheers
Seb

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 04:42, Daniel Baker 
wrote:

> Looks  like this  could be  moved  somewhat  to avoid the overlap and
> covering text:
>
>
>

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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Openmeetings 5.0.0-M3 doesn't record

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I've seen some zero bytes webm files. But it seemed sometime maybe also a
combination of issues:
 - Conference Room type works better then others
 - When entering a room for the first time, after loading the
web-application into the browser, recording works fine, subsequent not so
much

I've created a ticket in 5.0.0-M5 for me to trace this a bit better and
figure out how many different use-cases there are.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2278
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2279

Unfortunate I think the upcoming M4 release will still have a few use-cases
that may need looking at. Although in Conference room types and on the
first try, it usually works nicely.

Thanks,
Sebastian

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 23:58, Ricardo Neves  wrote:

> Hi Maxim,
>
> Thanks for answering. I performed tests on Chrome and Firefox. And
> recording works if the firewall is disabled. As you said that the recording
> is internal to the server, then it is possible that the firewall is
> blocking something on the localhost. I'll check, because that must be it.
>
> I perform a quick test by going to "Check the Configuration". When it does
> not work (firewall active), when clicking on "Start Recording" the second
> counter is not activated, and a webm file with zero bytes is generated.
> Once again, disabling the firewall, even without restarting the
> application, Openmeetings performs the recording normally.
>
> Thanks again.
> Ricardo.
>
> Em 18 de abr de 2020, à(s) 22:11, Maxim Solodovnik 
> escreveu:
>
> Hello Ricardo,
>
> such behavior is really weird
> Recording is made on server so the main test should be: start your camera
> or screen-sharing
> Check using different browser or browser tab if your sharing\camera is
> visible
>
> Is it works as expected?
>
> What browser are you using?
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 02:22, Ricardo Neves 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello, I'm using Openmeetings 5.0.0-M3 with Centos 7. Everything works
>> fine, but it doesn't record with the firewall active (it generates zero
>> size webm files). I've already released all the doors and more:
>> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3478 -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3479 -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5443 -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport  -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -p udp --match multiport --dports 49152: 65535 -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 3478 -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 3479 -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp --match multiport --dports 49152: 65535 -j
>> ACCEPT
>>
>> If I disable the firewall, recording occurs normally.
>> Is there a rule missing from my firewall?
>> Thanks a lot for the help.
>> Ricardo.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>

-- 
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: [DISCUSSION] Plans for the next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I logged some Jira tickets against recording I am keen to look into over
the next 1-2 weeks.

With support for Mobile (Android/iOS) I am not sure how ready it is in
terms of testing.
Or if Mobile browser support is even the goal of version 5.0.0
 => Do we have some sort of supported browser and OS versions ? And then if
a platform is not 100% supported you can mark it as beta for 5.0.0.

@Ratatouille:
*Yesterday a friend of mine created a new account. When she sent an*

*invitation from within OM all users with an account in OM wheresuggested
to her with their email addresses as recipient.*
=> Can you create a ticket for this. That seems a privacy issue and not
very hard to fix.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 07:59, ratatouille  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> What does the "M" mean in the releases?
>
> Yesterday a friend of mine created a new account. When she sent an
> invitation from within OM all users with an account in OM where
> suggested to her with their email addresses as recipient.
>
> Is it possible (maybe via ACL or userrights) to hide those suggestions
> for some users? I don't like the idea that a new user can see all
> existing accounts via email-address in OM.
>
>   Andreas
>
> Maxim Solodovnik  schrieb am 21.04.20 um 00:22:26
> Uhr:
>
> > Well,
> >
> > Currently being VOTEd release is 5.0.0-M4
> > So this discussion is about next one
> > Should it be "5.0.0-M5" or "5.0.0"
> >
> > And what is currently missing :)
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 00:11,  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wonderful! I think we are ready. If there is a problem with recording
> - it looks to be a firewall issue - that is something different than the
> release. We already have all the features that are absolutely necessary and
> we really need a stable release. I suggest that any additional features,
> and cosmetic (appearance) isses be moved to a 5.1 future release.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > Quoting Maxim Solodovnik :
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I would like to discuss the plans for next release
> > > Can it be long waited "5.0.0 without M"?
> > > What features are absolutely necessary?
> > >
> > > p.s. be realistic please :)))
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,Maxim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSSION] Plans for the next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Yeah please create it here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/OPENMEETINGS/

And if you could reply with the ticket number and I am happy to look into
it.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 08:33, ratatouille  wrote:

> "seba.wag...@gmail.com"  schrieb am 21.04.20 um
> 08:24:41 Uhr:
>
> > I logged some Jira tickets against recording I am keen to look into over
> > the next 1-2 weeks.
> >
> > With support for Mobile (Android/iOS) I am not sure how ready it is in
> > terms of testing.
> > Or if Mobile browser support is even the goal of version 5.0.0
> >  => Do we have some sort of supported browser and OS versions ? And then
> if
> > a platform is not 100% supported you can mark it as beta for 5.0.0.
> >
> > @Ratatouille:
> > *Yesterday a friend of mine created a new account. When she sent an*
> >
> > *invitation from within OM all users with an account in OM wheresuggested
> > to her with their email addresses as recipient.*
> > => Can you create a ticket for this. That seems a privacy issue and not
> > very hard to fix.
>
> A ticket is created at JIRA?
>
>   Andreas
>

Re: No screen sharing in moodle plugin

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Tzetzias,

what browser and operating system have you been using ?

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 07:55, Τζέτζιας Χρήστος  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i've installed openmeetings 5.0.3 and moodle 3.7. I've also installed the
> openmeetings moodle plugin. My problem is that rooms created by the plugin,
> do not have the screen sharing option enabled. Is it normal? Is there
> something i could do to enable it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>

Re: [DISCUSSION] Plans for the next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

thx I assigned it to myself.

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 08:58, ratatouille  wrote:

> Just did that.
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2286
>
>   Andreas
>
> "seba.wag...@gmail.com"  schrieb am 21.04.20 um
> 08:45:51 Uhr:
>
> > Yeah please create it here:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/OPENMEETINGS/
> >
> > And if you could reply with the ticket number and I am happy to look into
> > it.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Seb
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 08:33, ratatouille 
> wrote:
> >
> > > "seba.wag...@gmail.com"  schrieb am 21.04.20 um
> > > 08:24:41 Uhr:
> > >
> > > > I logged some Jira tickets against recording I am keen to look into
> over
> > > > the next 1-2 weeks.
> > > >
> > > > With support for Mobile (Android/iOS) I am not sure how ready it is
> in
> > > > terms of testing.
> > > > Or if Mobile browser support is even the goal of version 5.0.0
> > > >  => Do we have some sort of supported browser and OS versions ? And
> then
> > > if
> > > > a platform is not 100% supported you can mark it as beta for 5.0.0.
> > > >
> > > > @Ratatouille:
> > > > *Yesterday a friend of mine created a new account. When she sent an*
> > > >
> > > > *invitation from within OM all users with an account in OM
> wheresuggested
> > > > to her with their email addresses as recipient.*
> > > > => Can you create a ticket for this. That seems a privacy issue and
> not
> > > > very hard to fix.
> > >
> > > A ticket is created at JIRA?
> > >
> > >   Andreas
> > >
>
>

Re: Apple Mac doesn't play any audio coming from OM

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I think he was referring to audio/video from webcam
The jira describes how to access Camera and Microphone
So must be something around the audio/video stream playback. Not generally
audio.

@Marcus What is the browser that you are using? Have you tried with Chrome ?

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 16:51, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Can you upload video fragment (maybe movie trailer) with sound to WB
> And try to play
> Would it play with sound?
>
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 03:44, seba.wag...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
> >
> > I did have a quick check on audio, and it seemed fine in latest nightly
> build.
> > I also quickly recorded it:
> > https://youtu.be/_PvlrtV3niQ
> >
> > The voice on the video is the same I heard.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Seb
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 01:26, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> don't forget to add user@ list
> >>
> >> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:25, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > please also chech comments in this issue
> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2189
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:14, Marcus Wellnitz <
> mar...@wellnitzfamily.de> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Sebastian,
> >> > >
> >> > > Do you have some time for a remote-connection (AnyDesk) to find the
> issue on tis mac?
> >> > >
> >> > > Greetings
> >> > >
> >> > > Marcus
> >> > >
> >> > > Am 19.04.20 um 14:42 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >> > >
> >> > > Got JIRA notification in sunny Siberia :)))
> >> > >
> >> > > Unfortunately I have no Mac to test :(
> >> > >
> >> > > @Sebastian have tested on Mac :)
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:32, Marcus Wellnitz <
> mar...@wellnitzfamily.de> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > jira: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2277
> >> > >
> >> > > I've played a lot around this issue during AnyDesk-Session. I have
> no clue :-(
> >> > >
> >> > > Maybe someone has MAC-OS-X with OM up and running?
> >> > >
> >> > > Greetings from the sunny Germany to the crazy corona-world outside
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > Marcus Wellnitz
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > Marcus Wellnitz
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Maxim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Maxim
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > seba.wag...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Apple Mac doesn't play any audio coming from OM

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

@Marcus there is the audio/video testing modal in OpenMeetings. Where you
can record a few seconds and playback to verify. Have you tried that one
from the machine that has issues ?


Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 09:25, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I think he was referring to audio/video from webcam
> The jira describes how to access Camera and Microphone
> So must be something around the audio/video stream playback. Not generally
> audio.
>
> @Marcus What is the browser that you are using? Have you tried with Chrome
> ?
>
> Cheers
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 16:51, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you upload video fragment (maybe movie trailer) with sound to WB
>> And try to play
>> Would it play with sound?
>>
>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 03:44, seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > I did have a quick check on audio, and it seemed fine in latest nightly
>> build.
>> > I also quickly recorded it:
>> > https://youtu.be/_PvlrtV3niQ
>> >
>> > The voice on the video is the same I heard.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Seb
>> >
>> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 01:26, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> don't forget to add user@ list
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:25, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > please also chech comments in this issue
>> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2189
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:14, Marcus Wellnitz <
>> mar...@wellnitzfamily.de> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi Sebastian,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Do you have some time for a remote-connection (AnyDesk) to find
>> the issue on tis mac?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Greetings
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Marcus
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Am 19.04.20 um 14:42 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Got JIRA notification in sunny Siberia :)))
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Unfortunately I have no Mac to test :(
>> >> > >
>> >> > > @Sebastian have tested on Mac :)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:32, Marcus Wellnitz <
>> mar...@wellnitzfamily.de> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > jira: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2277
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I've played a lot around this issue during AnyDesk-Session. I have
>> no clue :-(
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Maybe someone has MAC-OS-X with OM up and running?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Greetings from the sunny Germany to the crazy corona-world outside
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Marcus Wellnitz
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Marcus Wellnitz
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Best regards,
>> >> > Maxim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Maxim
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>

Re: Apple Mac doesn't play any audio coming from OM

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Well I couldn't reproduce it either. But I wonder maybe I'm testing with
the wrong browser.

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 14:30, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> I would like to get confirmation sound from video fragment will be able to
> play
> I see no reason why video can be OK and there will be no audio ...
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:25, seba.wag...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
> >
> > I think he was referring to audio/video from webcam
> > The jira describes how to access Camera and Microphone
> > So must be something around the audio/video stream playback. Not
> generally audio.
> >
> > @Marcus What is the browser that you are using? Have you tried with
> Chrome ?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Seb
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 16:51, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Can you upload video fragment (maybe movie trailer) with sound to WB
> >> And try to play
> >> Would it play with sound?
> >>
> >> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 03:44, seba.wag...@gmail.com
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I did have a quick check on audio, and it seemed fine in latest
> nightly build.
> >> > I also quickly recorded it:
> >> > https://youtu.be/_PvlrtV3niQ
> >> >
> >> > The voice on the video is the same I heard.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Seb
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 01:26, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> don't forget to add user@ list
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:25, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > please also chech comments in this issue
> >> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2189
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 20:14, Marcus Wellnitz <
> mar...@wellnitzfamily.de> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hi Sebastian,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Do you have some time for a remote-connection (AnyDesk) to find
> the issue on tis mac?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Greetings
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Marcus
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Am 19.04.20 um 14:42 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Got JIRA notification in sunny Siberia :)))
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Unfortunately I have no Mac to test :(
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > @Sebastian have tested on Mac :)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:32, Marcus Wellnitz <
> mar...@wellnitzfamily.de> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > jira: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2277
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I've played a lot around this issue during AnyDesk-Session. I
> have no clue :-(
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Maybe someone has MAC-OS-X with OM up and running?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Greetings from the sunny Germany to the crazy corona-world
> outside
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Marcus Wellnitz
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Marcus Wellnitz
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Best regards,
> >> >> > Maxim
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >> Maxim
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > seba.wag...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Maxim
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

GSoC 2020 - Adding to ideas page

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hey,

we are late but its still possible, only 14 days left

Maybe add at least 1-2 proposals ?

I have added a proposal here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2290

but how to get it into the list:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/GSoC+2020+Ideas+list

@Maxim Solodovnik   seems like you admin the page, do
you know how? You can put me down as possible mentor

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/

Re: GSoC 2020 - Adding to ideas page

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Oh, looking at the timeline I think we missed it :(
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/#timeline

Anyway, next year maybe

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 08:06, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> we are late but its still possible, only 14 days left
>
> Maybe add at least 1-2 proposals ?
>
> I have added a proposal here:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2290
>
> but how to get it into the list:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/GSoC+2020+Ideas+list
>
> @Maxim Solodovnik   seems like you admin the page,
> do you know how? You can put me down as possible mentor
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>

Re: OM stability

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I'm quite keen to figure out what kind of events can be monitored in the
log that could help to:
 - Add some more information to the user when bandwidth or connection
issues come up. Like a "reconnecting" modal or sth
 - How we can reconstruct this scenario without doing a 2h live test

@Maxim Solodovnik  You mention some reconnection
logic, can you point to the stream-reconnect logic ? Whats the event that
triggers it ? Is it a Kurento event or ?
Would it trigger on any kind of connection (Audio/Video and Screen) ?
Would it trigger differently depending on if the issue is on the sender vs
the receiver side of the stream ? There must be different logic depending
on which side the issue is.


Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 06:47, R. Scholz 
wrote:

> Hello Maxim,
>
> thank you, I will give it a try.
>
> My "htop" said that I only use 2GB /8GB.
> So I thought all is fine.
>
> How can I increase the setting of OM to 8GB?
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 23.04.2020 um 19:44 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> > Hello Rene,
> >
> > I don't remember if version from 04-14 performs steam reconnects ...
> > If not I would suggest to upgrade to M4 release (you can use your DB
> > without import/export)
> > i3+8GB RAM might need upgrade
> > I would set memory for OM to be 8GB, so you need system with 16+GB
> > not sure how powerful is your i3 ... this need to be monitored
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 00:12, R. Scholz
> >  wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> after my unpleasant webinar in the morning I restarted my OM-Server.
> >> In the evening I had a conference with three members.
> >>
> >> All are invited with invitations and have no further rights - only cam
> + mic. No presentation.
> >>
> >> One of them are in Netherlands, the others in Germany.
> >>
> >> This one in Netherlands had in 2 hours three video/audio terminations.
> >> (I asked my colleagues (the two one in Germany) to have a look when it
> seems that a porblem appear.)
> >>
> >> They told me that at first the voice "clank", then audio go away
> completely and the video is "freezing".
> >> No way back, no correction.
> >> After he makes a new login into the room all is OK. No new connection
> appears, in the "admin/connections" I only saw that
> >> the "connectedSince-value" is changed.
> >>
> >> (After that the Netherland-CEO (what a crazy fool) said that he had
> with Zoom never such aborts.
> >> OK, Zoom have a lot of servers worldwide.)
> >>
> >> Is there a possibility to make our OM more tolerant? Or more stable?
> >> Where is the problem? My first idea is Kurento. But is it? When I have
> a look with "htop" I see sometimes Coturn with a little CPU-load.
> >>
> >> My system:
> >> Internet: 1GBit sym.
> >>
> >> OM 5.0.0-M4-SNAPSHOT
> >> Revision 96d9435
> >> Builddate 2020-04-14T16:48:43Z
> >>
> >> Kurento: 6.13.0
> >>
> >> Coturn: 4.5.0.7
> >>
> >> CPU: i3, 8GB RAM, SSD 1TB
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Media server connection failed

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Whats your setup in terms of infrastructure ?

You are running Kurento and OpenMeetings on the same physical server
instance I assume ?
This physical instance is running over the internet or local/local network ?
You access the application via a IP address or DNS name ?
And your browser you are testing on another physical machine ?

Thx
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 10:19, ratatouille  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Set up OM5 M4. I get "Media server connection for user xy failed, will try
> to re-connect".
> I stopped OM and KMS. Then I started KMS and then OM. Get the same message.
>
> Cannot test Video and Audio in the settings. When I choose "Start
> recording" nothing
> happens.
>
> What could be the problem?
>
>   Andreas
>

Re: Media server connection failed

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Did it work before or do you need to install STUN or TURN ?

https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/stable/glossary.html#term-stun

Thx
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 11:14, ratatouille  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> "seba.wag...@gmail.com"  schrieb am 24.04.20 um
> 10:50:56 Uhr:
>
> > Whats your setup in terms of infrastructure ?
> >
> > You are running Kurento and OpenMeetings on the same physical server
> > instance I assume ?
>
> Yes
>
> > This physical instance is running over the internet or local/local
> network ?
>
> Over the internet
>
> > You access the application via a IP address or DNS name ?
>
> via DNS name
>
> > And your browser you are testing on another physical machine ?
>
> Yes, I sit at home behind a router and connect to the server via DSL
>
>   Andreas
>
>
> > > Set up OM5 M4. I get "Media server connection for user xy failed, will
> try
> > > to re-connect".
> > > I stopped OM and KMS. Then I started KMS and then OM. Get the same
> message.
> > >
> > > Cannot test Video and Audio in the settings. When I choose "Start
> > > recording" nothing
> > > happens.
> > >
> > > What could be the problem?
>
>

Re: Media server connection failed

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Can you open Firefox dev tools and copy any console errors ?

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 19:25, ratatouille  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> "seba.wag...@gmail.com"  schrieb am 24.04.20 um
> 13:49:44 Uhr:
>
> > Did it work before or do you need to install STUN or TURN ?
> >
> > https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/stable/glossary.html#term-stun
>
> I think there is no need to install STUN because the server is not behind
> a NAT.
>
>   Andreas
>
> > > > Whats your setup in terms of infrastructure ?
> > > >
> > > > You are running Kurento and OpenMeetings on the same physical server
> > > > instance I assume ?
> > >
> > > Yes
> > >
> > > > This physical instance is running over the internet or local/local
> > > network ?
> > >
> > > Over the internet
> > >
> > > > You access the application via a IP address or DNS name ?
> > >
> > > via DNS name
> > >
> > > > And your browser you are testing on another physical machine ?
> > >
> > > Yes, I sit at home behind a router and connect to the server via DSL
>
>

Re: Screen sharing not working (but recording does)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I just fixed (or have a draft fix proposal) and have an open PR on fixing
some recording vs screenshare issue.
Its here: https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/pull/51

There is some issue when you start recording that sharing of the screen may
only work on the first try. But once you stop it you can not restart it.

On the first try however it should always work.

I have seen however when re-entering a room, it somehow magically seems to
remember some share/record settings and you can't restart. But I haven't
investigated that one.

Can you be carefully reload your bowser and exactly remember your use-case
keeping in mind above ?

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 19:29, Oliver Mangold  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have the problem that I can't get screen sharing working. Apparently the
> screen is sent to the server. Browser asks for permission, Kurento shows
> incoming traffic. Screen recording shows no problems. The recording is
> stored on the server and can be played back. Somehow when sharing the video
> (of the screen) it is not shown in the browser (nothing visible, no window
> or something). THe problem is the same with Chromium and Firefox.
>
> What could be the problem here?
>
> Regards,
>
> Oliver
>

Re: Media server connection failed

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

0.0.0.0:*
>13693/turnserver
> udp0  0 127.0.0.1:3478  0.0.0.0:*
>13693/turnserver
> udp0  0 172.17.0.1:3479 0.0.0.0:*
>13693/turnserver
> udp0  0 172.17.0.1:3479 0.0.0.0:*
>13693/turnserver
> udp0  0 92.60.38.182:3479   0.0.0.0:*
>13693/turnserver
> udp0  0 92.60.38.182:3479   0.0.0.0:*
>13693/turnserver
> udp0  0 127.0.0.1:3479  0.0.0.0:*
>13693/turnserver
> udp0  0 127.0.0.1:3479  0.0.0.0:*
>13693/turnserver
> udp6   0  0 ::1:3478:::*
>   13693/turnserver
> udp6   0  0 ::1:3478:::*
>   13693/turnserver
> udp6   0  0 2a03:4000:33:430:d:3478 :::*
>   13693/turnserver
> udp6   0  0 2a03:4000:33:430:d:3478 :::*
>   13693/turnserver
> udp6   0  0 ::1:3479:::*
>   13693/turnserver
> udp6   0  0 ::1:3479:::*
>   13693/turnserver
> udp6   0  0 2a03:4000:33:430:d:3479 :::*
>   13693/turnserver
> udp6   0  0 2a03:4000:33:430:d:3479 :::*
>   13693/turnserver
>
> I opened port 3478 tcp and udp INPUT in the firewall.
> KMS is running.
>
> As long as I try to configure the camera within chrome, the turnserver.log
> is busy
> and fine.
> As soon as I try that within FF, nothing happens in the turnserver.log and
> I get
> the same messages in the webconsole.
>
> ICE failed, add a TURN server and see about:webrtc for more details
>
> Don't know how to proceed. It's not clear to me how KMS, TURN and OM
> interact.
>
>   Andreas
>
> Maxim Solodovnik  schrieb am 24.04.20 um 15:46:50
> Uhr:
>
> > "ICE failed, add a TURN server and see about:webrtc for more details"
> >
> > i.e. you need TURN
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 15:11, ratatouille 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Sebastian!
> > >
> > > The log says
> > >
> > > 09:54:48.996 !!RTCPeerConnection state changed: connecting, user:
> Andreas Meyer, uid: 9db2f31d-befa-44c7-a757-c8997b861ca7
> room-ver-1EF5F62C10C15DF8BF8D59DE114EB424.js:8:334
> > > 09:54:57.733 Strict-Transport-Security: Die Verbindung zur Website ist
> nicht vertrauenswürdig, daher wurde die angegebene Kopfzeile ignoriert.
> openmeetings
> > > 09:55:01.848 !!RTCPeerConnection state changed: failed, user: Andreas
> Meyer, uid: 9db2f31d-befa-44c7-a757-c8997b861ca7
> room-ver-1EF5F62C10C15DF8BF8D59DE114EB424.js:8:334
> > > 09:55:01.854 Disposing WebRtcPeer
> settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:232:454
> > > 09:55:01.848 ICE failed, add a TURN server and see about:webrtc for
> more details
> > > 09:55:28.026 Strict-Transport-Security: Die Verbindung zur Website ist
> nicht vertrauenswürdig, daher wurde die angegebene Kopfzeile ignoriert.
> openmeetings
> > > 09:55:28.720 onaddstream is deprecated! Use peerConnection.ontrack
> instead. settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:222
> > > 09:55:28.826 Created SDP offer
> settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:224:341
> > > 09:55:28.840 Local description set
> > > .
> > > 09:55:29.321 Remote ICE candidate received
> > > Object { candidate: "candidate:4 2 UDP 2015363582 fe80::42:acff:fe11:2
> 4870 typ host", sdpMid: "1", sdpMLineIndex: 1 }
> > > settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:222:460
> > > 09:55:29.325 Remote ICE candidate received
> > > Object { candidate: "candidate:5 2 TCP 1015022078 fe80::42:acff:fe11:2
> 9 typ host tcptype active", sdpMid: "0", sdpMLineIndex: 0 }
> > > settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:222:460
> > > 09:55:29.334 Remote ICE candidate received
> > > Object { candidate: "candidate:5 2 TCP 1015022078 fe80::42:acff:fe11:2
> 9 typ host tcptype active", sdpMid: "1", sdpMLineIndex: 1 }
> > > settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:222:460
> > > 09:55:29.339 Remote ICE candidate received
> > > Object { candidate: "candidate:6 2 TCP 1010827774 fe80::42:acff:fe11:2
> 12911 typ host tcptype passive", sdpMid: "0", sdpMLineIndex: 0 }
> > > settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:222:460
> > > 09:55:29.341 Remote ICE candidate received
> > > Object { candidate: "candidate:6 2 TCP 1010827774 fe80::42:acff:fe11:2
> 12911 typ host tcptype passive", sdpMid: "1", sdpMLineIndex: 1 }
> > > settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:222:460
> > > 09:55:29.345 SDP answer received, setting remote description
> settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:226:160
> > > 09:55:29.368 Remote ICE candidate received
> > > Object { candidate: "candidate:4 2 UDP 2015363582 fe80::42:acff:fe11:2
> 4870 typ host", sdpMid: "0", sdpMLineIndex: 0 }
> > > settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:222:460
> > > 09:55:29.478 !!RTCPeerConnection state changed: connecting, user:
> Andreas Meyer, uid: 9db2f31d-befa-44c7-a757-c8997b861ca7
> room-ver-1EF5F62C10C15DF8BF8D59DE114EB424.js:8:334
> > > 09:55:42.375 !!RTCPeerConnection state changed: failed, user: Andreas
> Meyer, uid: 9db2f31d-befa-44c7-a757-c8997b861ca7
> room-ver-1EF5F62C10C15DF8BF8D59DE114EB424.js:8:334
> > > 09:55:42.388 Disposing WebRtcPeer
> settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:232:454
> > > 09:55:42.375 ICE failed, add a TURN server and see about:webrtc for
> more details
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about what is says.
> > >
> > >   Andreas
> > >
> > > "seba.wag...@gmail.com"  schrieb am 24.04.20
> um 19:37:40 Uhr:
> > >
> > > > Can you open Firefox dev tools and copy any console errors ?
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Tomcat Native library missing

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I think this has been answered by Maxim in another thread.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 05:18, Partha Datta  wrote:

> Hello,
> when I run the configcheck I get the message Tomcat Native library
> missing, tailing is the log. Could you please help.
>
> bin]# ./catalina.sh configtest
> Using CATALINA_BASE:   /opt/open503
> Using CATALINA_HOME:   /opt/open503
> Using CATALINA_TMPDIR: /opt/open503/temp
> Using JRE_HOME:/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-11.0.1.13-4.fc27.x86_64
> Using CLASSPATH:
> /opt/open503/bin/bootstrap.jar:/opt/open503/bin/tomcat-juli.jar
> NOTE: Picked up JDK_JAVA_OPTIONS:
>  --add-opens=java.base/java.lang=ALL-UNNAMED 
> --add-opens=java.base/java.io=ALL-UNNAMED
> --add-opens=java.rmi/sun.rmi.transport=ALL-UNNAMED
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Server version name:   Apache Tomcat/9.0.29
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Server built:  Nov 16 2019 17:29:07 UTC
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Server version number: 9.0.29.0
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: OS Name:   Linux
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: OS Version:4.18.19-100.fc27.x86_64
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Architecture:  amd64
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Java Home:
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-11.0.1.13-4.fc27.x86_64
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: JVM Version:   11.0.1+13
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: JVM Vendor:Oracle Corporation
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: CATALINA_BASE: /opt/open503
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: CATALINA_HOME: /opt/open503
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: --add-opens=java.base/java.lang=ALL-UNNAMED
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: --add-opens=java.base/java.io=ALL-UNNAMED
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument:
> --add-opens=java.rmi/sun.rmi.transport=ALL-UNNAMED
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument:
> -Djava.util.logging.manager=org.apache.juli.ClassLoaderLogManager
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: -Djava.net.preferIPv4Addresses=true
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: -Djdk.tls.ephemeralDHKeySize=2048
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument:
> -Djava.protocol.handler.pkgs=org.apache.catalina.webresources
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument:
> -Dorg.apache.catalina.security.SecurityListener.UMASK=0027
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: -Dignore.endorsed.dirs=
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: -Dcatalina.base=/opt/open503
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: -Dcatalina.home=/opt/open503
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener
> log
> INFO: Command line argument: -Djava.io.tmpdir=/opt/open503/temp
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:56 PM org.apache.catalina.core.AprLifecycleListener
> lifecycleEvent
> I*NFO: The APR based Apache Tomcat Native library which allows optimal
> performance in production environments was not found on the
> java.library.path: [/usr/java/packages/lib:/usr/lib64:/lib64:/lib:/usr/lib]*
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:57 PM org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol init
> INFO: Initializing ProtocolHandler ["http-nio-5080"]
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:57 PM org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol init
> INFO: Initializing ProtocolHandler ["https-jsse-nio-5443"]
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:57 PM org.apache.coyote.AbstractProtocol init
> INFO: Initializing ProtocolHandler ["ajp-nio-8009"]
> Apr 24, 2020 10:39:57 PM org

Re: Media server connection failed

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Can you install and debug using the Firefox webRTC debugger ?

https://blog.mozilla.org/webrtc/new-tool-debugging-webrtc/

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 08:33, ratatouille  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> 22:21:44.774 Remote ICE candidate received
> Object { candidate: "candidate:1 2 UDP 2015363326 172.17.0.2 41469 typ
> host", sdpMid: "0", sdpMLineIndex: 0 }
> settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:222:460
> 22:21:44.876 !!RTCPeerConnection state changed: connecting, user: Andreas
> Meyer, uid: 7b6532fb-fc3c-4f65-826b-f3b470a16006
> room-ver-1EF5F62C10C15DF8BF8D59DE114EB424.js:8:334
> 22:21:57.755 !!RTCPeerConnection state changed: failed, user: Andreas
> Meyer, uid: 7b6532fb-fc3c-4f65-826b-f3b470a16006
> room-ver-1EF5F62C10C15DF8BF8D59DE114EB424.js:8:334
> 22:21:57.761 Disposing WebRtcPeer
> settings-ver-FE568E6FE1565DF540F7560174724B60.js:232:454
> 22:21:57.754 ICE failed, add a STUN server and see about:webrtc for more
> details
>
> I would be glad I could track this down to what is wrong. Right now I do
> not
> know how to do this.
> I created an account at https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443 and will watch
> the webconsole.
>
>   Andreas
>
> "seba.wag...@gmail.com"  schrieb am 25.04.20 um
> 08:01:34 Uhr:
>
> > I just tried Firefox (Firefox 75.0 (64-bit), OSX.) against OpenMeetings
> > 5.0.0-Mx at https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next
> >
> > This server is also in the internet. As well as myself behind a router
> in a
> > local network.
> >
> > And it worked fine. My log shows connected at end:
> > Content Security Policy: Ignoring “https://www.google-analytics.com”
> within
> > script-src: ‘strict-dynamic’ specified
> > Content Security Policy: Ignoring “https://ssl.google-analytics.com”
> within
> > script-src: ‘strict-dynamic’ specified
> > This page uses the non standard property “zoom”. Consider using calc() in
> > the relevant property values, or using “transform” along with
> > “transform-origin: 0 0”. next <https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/>
> > Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a
> > resource at
> > https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/wicket/resource/de.ag
> …bootstrap.sandstone-ver-B164B91379C7277B723B262D93226799.css
> > <
> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/wicket/resource/de.agilecoders.wicket.themes.markup.html.bootswatch.BootswatchCssReference/css/bootstrap.sandstone-ver-B164B91379C7277B723B262D93226799.css
> >
> > (“style-src”). NetUtil.jsm:148:14
> > Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a
> > resource at
> > https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/wicket/resource/de.ag
> …bootstrap.sandstone-ver-B164B91379C7277B723B262D93226799.css
> > <
> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/wicket/resource/de.agilecoders.wicket.themes.markup.html.bootswatch.BootswatchCssReference/css/bootstrap.sandstone-ver-B164B91379C7277B723B262D93226799.css
> >
> > (“style-src”). NetUtil.jsm:148:14
> > Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a
> > resource at
> > https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/wicket/resource/de.ag
> …bootstrap.sandstone-ver-B164B91379C7277B723B262D93226799.css
> > <
> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/wicket/resource/de.agilecoders.wicket.themes.markup.html.bootswatch.BootswatchCssReference/css/bootstrap.sandstone-ver-B164B91379C7277B723B262D93226799.css
> >
> > (“style-src”). NetUtil.jsm:148:14
> > Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a
> > resource at https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/css/theme.css
> > (“style-src”). NetUtil.jsm:148:14
> > Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a
> > resource at https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/css/theme.css
> > (“style-src”). 2 NetUtil.jsm:148:14
> > Content Security Policy: Ignoring “https://www.google-analytics.com”
> within
> > script-src: ‘strict-dynamic’ specified
> > Content Security Policy: Ignoring “https://ssl.google-analytics.com”
> within
> > script-src: ‘strict-dynamic’ specified
> > Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a
> > resource at inline (“style-src”). 4
> > jquery-3.4.1-ver-D19AFC7779BBA20E96683BE58B330F62.js:2:50565
> > <
> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/wicket/resource/org.apache.wicket.resource.JQueryResourceReference/jquery/jquery-3.4.1-ver-D19AFC7779BBA20E96683BE58B330F62.js
> >
> > Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a
> > resource at inline (“style-src”)

Re: Install OM in Cpanel?

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I think you would need to create a customer module in cPanel:
https://forums.cpanel.net/resources/how-to-create-a-plugin-whm-cpanel.415/
and/or register it as an application similar to:
https://docs.cpanel.net/knowledge-base/web-services/how-to-install-a-redmine-web-application/
if you want to manage OpenMeetings via cPanel.

I'm not sure, but looking at all the dependencies of OpenMeetings even a
simple install script that cPanel can trigger would be quite involved.

Cheers,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 00:20, Alvaro  wrote:

>
> ...is this:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPanel
>
> ... :)
>
>
>
> ...
>
> El sáb, 25-04-2020 a las 05:01 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>
> Hello Alvaro,
>
> Unfortunately I don't know what CPanel is :(
> Is it OS?
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 17:18, Alvaro  wrote:
>
>
> Hello Maxim,
>
> An user in a spanish list asked if is possible install
> OM in Cpanel.
>
> Is it possible?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Arrange Videos

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Glad you like it!

"If we have many videos – let’s say 20 guests in a presentation – could
there be something like a „table“ with all Videos arranged in?"
=> We discussed this topic many times. And I think there is some fix to
arrange them more grid like in latest Snapshot. But its not a 100% fix. And
its also very difficult to make people happy on this. Cause some people
prefer whiteboard sessions, some video, some have 10 videos on, some just
1. Thats why there are room types. It really depends on the type of
meeting. Are you going to present in front of 100 people in classroom
style, or is it a collaboration with 4-5 people.
There is one fix here Maxim done:
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/commit/98a32d61dc681ad719c4f32382f098acae5a478c
Not sure how much this will change though the default behaviour.

As for the other questions others may answer or I have to first read it
more carefully.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 04:42, Peter-Otto Weber  wrote:

> O.K. so far i think that this product really is a very good alternative to
> commercial products.
>
>
>
> There’s still many details that might be optimized but over all – i like
> OM !!!
>
>
>
> And i want to thank all those people making this possible!!!
>
>
>
> One thing could be discussed:
>
>
>
> If we have many videos – let’s say 20 guests in a presentation – could
> there be something like a „table“ with all Videos arranged in?
>
>
>
> So that there’s more „order“ in the videos and they do not arrange over
> the presentation / whiteboard?
>
>
>
> Maybe programmed like an overlay / div that can be switched on or of? So
> that i can decide if i want to see the videos?
>
>
>
> Thinking so far – what about having a feature only showing the
> „moderator’s“ video and the video of the person talking?
>
>
>
> Yepp – this will be hard if many people want to talk but what if the
> moderator has a little „area table“ where he can see if one is requesting
> the word and he just click on the one he wants to allow?
>
>
>
> So in the case the moderator allows a question the sound and the video of
> this person is shown below the moderator?
>
>
>
> Like a „Name with one column table“ with a speaker icon for „i want to
> talk“, a green check mark for „allowed to talk“ and an empty field for „no
> action“?
>
>
>
> And if moderator clicks the next „speaker“ automatically the current
> speaker is disabled?
>
>
>
> I’d really like OM tob e able to use video with large groups as the chat
> function is not the best for asking questions in a classical „stundent /
> teacher“ situation.
>
>
>
> What do you think about this ideas?
>
>
>
> POW
>

Re: [DISCUSSION] 3.1.2 release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

cc @dev

2016-07-13 18:52 GMT+12:00 seba.wag...@gmail.com :

> Had no chance to do a signature test yet but RTMPs status is no blocker
> for me. It's an issue with the Red5 libraries, so not a lot what you can do.
>
> I think also more smaller releases are better then less bigger ones.
>
> Seb
>
> 2016-07-13 18:49 GMT+12:00 Peter Dähn :
>
>> Hi Maxim,
>>
>> from my point of view, we wouldn't change the current situation with the
>> signing issue.
>>
>> I don't know, how often RTMPS is used...
>>
>> If it will be released both things need to be communicated in a way, that
>> is hard to overlook it.
>>
>> From me +1
>>
>> Greetings Peter
>>
>>
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I would like to release 3.1.2
>>
>> pros:
>> 1) more than 40 issues were resolved
>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12312720&version=12335347>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12312720&version=12335347
>> 2) this release will have signed Screen Sharing Application
>> 3) lot's of time passed since last release
>>
>> cons:
>> 1) no stable RTMPS support yet :(
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: [DISCUSSION] 3.1.2 release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Had no chance to do a signature test yet but RTMPs status is no blocker for
me. It's an issue with the Red5 libraries, so not a lot what you can do.

I think also more smaller releases are better then less bigger ones.

Seb

2016-07-13 18:49 GMT+12:00 Peter Dähn :

> Hi Maxim,
>
> from my point of view, we wouldn't change the current situation with the
> signing issue.
>
> I don't know, how often RTMPS is used...
>
> If it will be released both things need to be communicated in a way, that
> is hard to overlook it.
>
> From me +1
>
> Greetings Peter
>
>
> Am 13.07.2016 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I would like to release 3.1.2
>
> pros:
> 1) more than 40 issues were resolved
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12312720&version=12335347>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12312720&version=12335347
> 2) this release will have signed Screen Sharing Application
> 3) lot's of time passed since last release
>
> cons:
> 1) no stable RTMPS support yet :(
>
> WDYT?
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>


-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: OpenMeetings & ApacheCon EU 2016 in Sevile, Spain

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Pierre,

sounds good, I just don't know if I can make it to Europe in November.

Thanks,
Sebastian

2016-07-13 23:47 GMT+12:00 Pierre Smits :

> Dear OpenMeetings enthusiast,
>
> As you are no doubt already aware, we will be holding ApacheCon in
> Seville, Spain, the week of November 14th, 2016. The call for papers
> (CFP) for this event is now open, and will remain open until
> September 9th.
>
> The event is divided into two parts, each with its own CFP. The first
> part of the event, called Apache Big Data, focuses on Big Data
> projects and related technologies.
>
> Website: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apache-big-data-europe
> CFP:
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apache-big-data-europe/program/cfp
>
> The second part, called ApacheCon Europe, focuses on the Apache
> Software Foundation as a whole, covering all projects, community
> issues, governance, and so on.
>
> Website: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe
> CFP: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/cfp
>
> ApacheCon is the official conference of the Apache Software
> Foundation, and is the best place to meet members of your project and
> other ASF projects, and strengthen your project's community.
>
> If your organization is interested in sponsoring ApacheCon, contact me
> at e...@apache.org  ApacheCon is a great place to find the brightest
> developers in the world, and experts on a huge range of technologies.
>
> I hope to see you in Seville!
>
> Best regards,
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
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> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>



-- 
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Private Recordings accesible to all Users!

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Yeah to really test it you should use another browser where you are not
logged in. Otherwise you might use your Cookie session id implicitly.

Thanks
Seb

2016-07-25 14:43 GMT+12:00 Maxim Solodovnik :

> Hello Andre,
>
> actually permissions are being checked [1]
> I'll double-check this today (I hope I'll have enough time)
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/3.1.x/openmeetings-web/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/web/util/RecordingResourceReference.java#L86
>
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Andre Wruszczak  wrote:
>
>> Dear Openmeetings-Dev-Team,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have yet another question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to force userid validation for recordings?
>> Maybe because my browser is storing my sessionID, but when I switch
>> users, all of them can see the recordings of other people if they try the
>> url  :
>> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/recordings/mp4/47
>> ->Anyone logged in can get access to all recordings if they are tenacious
>> enough to try all the numbers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I have made a mistake while setting up OM? (Current Version 3.1.1)
>>
>>
>>
>> With lots of regards,
>>
>> Andre
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Private Recordings accesible to all Users!

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Are you really sure the recording is private?

Cause only if it has an owner + is private it will validate it. If it's
public, then you just need a valid login session token.

But seems like you can also access it even without a valid session token ?

Thanks,
Sebastian

2016-07-26 17:25 GMT+12:00 Maxim Solodovnik :

> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-1438
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> Seems to be reproducible :
>> I'm going to investigate/fix it ASAP, additionally 3.1.2 release will be
>> postponed to have this fix
>> Could you please create JIRA issue?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Andre Wruszczak 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah! Thanks for the source-link.
>>>
>>> Maybe the OwnerId or GroupId is always null?
>>>
>>> Hmm..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
>>> *Gesendet:* Monday, July 25, 2016 4:44 AM
>>> *An:* Openmeetings user-list 
>>> *Betreff:* Re: Private Recordings accesible to all Users!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Andre,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> actually permissions are being checked [1]
>>>
>>> I'll double-check this today (I hope I'll have enough time)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/3.1.x/openmeetings-web/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/web/util/RecordingResourceReference.java#L86
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Andre Wruszczak 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Openmeetings-Dev-Team,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have yet another question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it possible to force userid validation for recordings?
>>> Maybe because my browser is storing my sessionID, but when I switch
>>> users, all of them can see the recordings of other people if they try the
>>> url  :
>>> http://localhost:5080/openmeetings/recordings/mp4/47
>>> ->Anyone logged in can get access to all recordings if they are
>>> tenacious enough to try all the numbers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I have made a mistake while setting up OM? (Current Version 3.1.1)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With lots of regards,
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Not able to install with backup (3.02 to 3.12) "Enum missing"

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Andre,

this might be both a bug and a bit an unforeseeable recording status.

I think a recording should never be stuck in the state of
"Recording.Status.PROCESSING", I think that would mean the recording was
not correctly finalised.

So, two things to do:
1) Please fill a bug, there is a need to fix:
https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openmeetings/application/tags/3.1.2/openmeetings-install/src/main/java/org/apache/openmeetings/backup/BackupImport.java?view=markup

to handle old Recording Status format types.
Please open a ticket at: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS

You can assign it to me.

2) Please unzip the backup and look into the file "flvRecordings.xml".

Maybe send me an example or put it somewhere on pastebin.com.
But it should be as easy as replacing all occurrence of "Processing" and
replace with "CONVERTING"

Then zip it up again (keep in mind that I think you got to zip the content
of the folder, not the root folder) and re-do the import.

Thanks,
Sebastian


2016-08-15 8:22 GMT+12:00 Andre Wruszczak :

> Dear openmeetings user group,
>
>
>
> The problem persists, no matter how I try importing the backup.
>
> ./admin.sh -i or -r both do not work.
>  I always get the same error.
>
> The Web-Client itself isn’t really an option, my backup is very big J
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> *Von:* Andre Wruszczak [mailto:wruszc...@web.de]
> *Gesendet:* Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:33 PM
> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> *Betreff:* Not able to install with backup (3.02 to 3.12) "Enum missing"
>
>
>
> Dear openmeetings user group,
>
>
>
> Today I tried upgrading my openmeetings version (from 3.02 to 3.12, made a
> backup of DB and OM from 3.02 and tried importing like presented in this
> guide : http://openmeetings.apache.org/Upgrade.html) and stumbled across
> following error :
>
>
>
> [ERROR] [main] org.apache.openmeetings.cli.Admin - Restore failed
>
> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No enum constant
> org.apache.openmeetings.db.entity.record.Recording.Status.PROCESSING
>
> at java.lang.Enum.valueOf(Enum.java:238)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.transform.EnumTransform.read(
> EnumTransform.java:58)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.transform.EnumTransform.read(
> EnumTransform.java:29)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.transform.Transformer.read(
> Transformer.java:106)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Support.read(Support.java:372)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.PrimitiveFactory.getInstance(
> PrimitiveFactory.java:105)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.readTemplate(
> Primitive.java:231)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.read(Primitive.java:171)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.readElement(
> Primitive.java:207)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.readElement(
> Primitive.java:189)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.read(Primitive.java:124)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readVariable(
> Composite.java:623)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readInstance(
> Composite.java:573)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readUnion(Composite.
> java:549)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readElement(
> Composite.java:532)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readElements(
> Composite.java:445)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.access$400(
> Composite.java:59)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite$Builder.read(
> Composite.java:1383)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.read(Composite.java:201)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.read(Composite.java:148)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Traverser.read(Traverser.java:92)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Persister.read(Persister.java:625)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Persister.read(Persister.java:606)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Persister.read(Persister.java:584)
>
> at org.apache.openmeetings.backup.BackupImport.readRecordingList(
> BackupImport.java:825)
>
> at org.apache.openmeetings.backup.BackupImport.
> performImport(BackupImport.java:502)
>
> at org.apache.openmeetings.cli.Admin.restoreOm(Admin.java:521)
>
> at org.apache.openmeetings.cli.Admin.process(Admin.java:272)
>
> at org.apache.openmeetings.cli.Admin.main(Admin.java:528)
>
> This happened while running : ./admin.sh -i -file backup_yesterday.zip
>
> Everything up to this point went smoothly and was installed properly. But
> Rooms and Recordings have not been imported yet ( as the installer fails)
>
>
>
> Would really appreciate some help. Currently I am trying to install it via
> the Web-Client instead of the CLI – but I do not think that this will help
> at all.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andre
>



-- 
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Not able to install with backup (3.02 to 3.12) "Enum missing"

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Yeah let's see if we can update the API samples. But there is a login
method in the UserService:
http://openmeetings.apache.org/openmeetings-webservice/apidocs/index.html
In general the flow has not changed, just notation and documentation is new.

Thanks,
Sebastian

2016-08-15 12:49 GMT+12:00 Andre Wruszczak :

> Hi Sebastian!
>
> Yes the problem was fixed once I deleted all the recordings.
>
> This helped me greatly, thanks!
>
> I will open the tickets first thing tomorrow.
>
>
>
> I have yet another question :
>
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/RestAPISample.html is very outdated.
>
>
>
> How do I login a normal non-admin user via the webservice in 3.1.2?
> I couldn’t find any documentation on that.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> *Von:* seba.wag...@gmail.com [mailto:seba.wag...@gmail.com]
> *Gesendet:* Monday, August 15, 2016 12:36 AM
> *An:* Openmeetings user-list 
> *Betreff:* Re: Not able to install with backup (3.02 to 3.12) "Enum
> missing"
>
>
>
> Hi Andre,
>
>
>
> this might be both a bug and a bit an unforeseeable recording status.
>
>
>
> I think a recording should never be stuck in the state of
> "Recording.Status.PROCESSING", I think that would mean the recording was
> not correctly finalised.
>
>
>
> So, two things to do:
>
> 1) Please fill a bug, there is a need to fix: https://svn.apache.org/
> viewvc/openmeetings/application/tags/3.1.2/openmeetings-install/src/main/
> java/org/apache/openmeetings/backup/BackupImport.java?view=markup
>
>
>
> to handle old Recording Status format types.
>
> Please open a ticket at: https://issues.apache.org/
> jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS
>
>
>
> You can assign it to me.
>
>
>
> 2) Please unzip the backup and look into the file "flvRecordings.xml".
>
>
>
> Maybe send me an example or put it somewhere on pastebin.com.
>
> But it should be as easy as replacing all occurrence of "Processing" and
> replace with "CONVERTING"
>
>
>
> Then zip it up again (keep in mind that I think you got to zip the content
> of the folder, not the root folder) and re-do the import.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sebastian
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-08-15 8:22 GMT+12:00 Andre Wruszczak :
>
> Dear openmeetings user group,
>
>
>
> The problem persists, no matter how I try importing the backup.
>
> ./admin.sh -i or -r both do not work.
>  I always get the same error.
>
> The Web-Client itself isn’t really an option, my backup is very big J
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> *Von:* Andre Wruszczak [mailto:wruszc...@web.de]
> *Gesendet:* Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:33 PM
> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> *Betreff:* Not able to install with backup (3.02 to 3.12) "Enum missing"
>
>
>
> Dear openmeetings user group,
>
>
>
> Today I tried upgrading my openmeetings version (from 3.02 to 3.12, made a
> backup of DB and OM from 3.02 and tried importing like presented in this
> guide : http://openmeetings.apache.org/Upgrade.html) and stumbled across
> following error :
>
>
>
> [ERROR] [main] org.apache.openmeetings.cli.Admin - Restore failed
>
> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No enum constant
> org.apache.openmeetings.db.entity.record.Recording.Status.PROCESSING
>
> at java.lang.Enum.valueOf(Enum.java:238)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.transform.EnumTransform.read(
> EnumTransform.java:58)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.transform.EnumTransform.read(
> EnumTransform.java:29)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.transform.Transformer.read(
> Transformer.java:106)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Support.read(Support.java:372)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.PrimitiveFactory.getInstance(
> PrimitiveFactory.java:105)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.readTemplate(
> Primitive.java:231)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.read(Primitive.java:171)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.readElement(
> Primitive.java:207)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.readElement(
> Primitive.java:189)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Primitive.read(Primitive.java:124)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readVariable(
> Composite.java:623)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readInstance(
> Composite.java:573)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readUnion(Composite.
> java:549)
>
> at org.simpleframework.xml.core.Composite.readElement(
> Co

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenMeetings 3.1.2 released

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

A brief summary is also on the blog:
https://blogs.apache.org/openmeetings/entry/openmeetings_3_1_2_released

2016-08-12 22:09 GMT+12:00 Alexei Fedotov :

> The team, you are the best. Congratulations!
> --
> Carry a towel
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
> [1] Join Alexei Fedotov @linkedin, http://ru.linkedin.com/in/dataved/
> [2] Join Alexei Fedotov @facebook, http://www.facebook.com/openmeetings
> [3] Start using Apache Openmeetings today, http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> > The Apache Openmeetings project is pleased to announce the release of
> > Apache Openmeetings 3.1.2. The release is available for download from
> > http://openmeetings.apache.org/downloads.html
> >
> > Openmeetings provides video conferencing, instant messaging, white board,
> > collaborative document editing and other groupware tools using API
> > functions of the Red5 Streaming Server for Remoting and Streaming.
> >
> > Service release 2 for 3.1.0, provides security fixes:
> > * CVE-2016-3089 - Apache OpenMeetings XSS in SWF panel
> >
> > * XSS in Chat window leading to DOS
> > * MD5 should not be used for password encryption
> > * OpenMeetings is vulnerable to session fixation
> > * Private recording files were available to all users
> >
> > Additionally signed Screen-Sharing application is available since this
> > release
> >
> > Please update to this release from any previous OpenMeetings release
> >
> > Other fixes in admin, localization, installer, invitations, room etc.
> >
> > 8 issues are fixed please check
> > https://www.apache.org/dist/openmeetings/3.1.2/CHANGELOG
> > and Detailed list:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
> projectId=12312720&version=12335347
> >
> >
> > All users are recommended to upgrade to Apache OpenMeetings 3.1.2
> >
> >
> > For more information on Apache Openmeeting please visit project home
> page:
> > http://openmeetings.apache.org
> >
> >
> > Apache OpenMeetings Team
> >
>



-- 
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: New tutorials Installation OM 3.1.2 on different OS

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Alvaro,

looks very good, some very detailed instruction documents!

Maybe we can re-arrange the list of tutorials so that your latest/current
one is easier to find ?

So maybe put your latest ones on top and then the table with the archive
for the previous versions underneath. Or maybe some other way to highlight
what is the latest available version to look at.

Thanks,
Sebastian


2016-08-15 19:27 GMT+12:00 Alvaro :

> Hello,
>
> As told you two days ago, here is the tutorial for
> OpenMeetings 3.1.2 on PCLinuxOS 2016, called:
>
> Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on PCLinuxOS 2016
>
> You can find it together the other new tutorials, in:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Tutorials+for
> +installing+OpenMeetings+and+Tools
>
> ...block 10.
>
> You're welcome, Maxim :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Alvaro
>
>
> El lun, 15-08-2016 a las 09:47 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
> > Thanks a lot Alvaro! :)
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Alvaro  wrote:
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > As you know, yesterday Maxim launched the new stable version
> > > Apache OpenMeetings 3.1.2.
> > > This version is highly recommended, by its finish
> > > bright, to have solved a large number of issues.
> > >
> > > Likewise, is accompanied by a certificate signing, for
> > > with Oracle Java, desktop sharing, and recording
> > > avoid being blocked.
> > > For these reasons, i congratulate and thank to Maxim, and
> > > recommend installing or upgrade, to this new version 3.1.2.
> > >
> > > I have prepared some tutorials on different operating systems,
> > > based on this version of OpenMeetings.
> > >
> > > They are major changes with respect to the previous tutorials.
> > > Compile of ffmpeg is easier in all of them, with scripts
> > > downloaded directly, and not in the zip.
> > > Likewise, all the scripts to run red5, are downloadable.
> > > No copy and paste text to build them.
> > >
> > > These tutorials are:
> > >
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on Centos 6.8
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on Centos 7
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on Debian 8
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on El Capitan OS X
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on Fedora 24
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on openSUSE 13.2 32bit
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on openSUSE 13.2 64 bit
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on openSUSE Leap 42.1
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on Ubuntu 14.04
> > >
> > > Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can find them here:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETINGS/Tutorials+for
> > > +installing+OpenMeetings+and+Tools
> > >
> > >
> > > In the next few days, will upload for PCLinuxOS 2016.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > >
> > > Alvaro
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: New tutorials Installation OM 3.1.2 on different OS

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Alvaro,

this all sounds great. Just go ahead!

Thanks!
Sebastian

2016-08-18 5:21 GMT+12:00 Alvaro :

> The next monday will upload a new tutorial
> for OpenMeetings 3.1.2 on Arch Linux. It is
> tested and work right.
>
> Sebastian, could you please decide about
> reorganize the distribution in the english
> Wiki tutorials page? The way you like it.
>
> Good, Maxim?
>
> Alvaro
>
> El mar, 16-08-2016 a las 14:54 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
> > OK with me
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Alvaro  wrote:
> > > Hello Sebastian,
> > >
> > > Find ok your suggestion. Would be the
> > > easier way for the users find the latest
> > > tutorials writes.
> > >
> > > So, if nobody disturb, the block 10 can be
> > > in the top, as you say, and the block 9 (it is
> > > only a link) to spanish tutorials page that have
> > > the latest also, in the second place.
> > >
> > > To put more clear the english page tutorials,
> > > would be good that, when any body make a tutorial
> > > in any other language different to english, build
> > > a page in the Apache OpenMeetings wiki in that
> > > language, where put his tutorials, and a link to
> > > english tutorials page.
> > > At this english page, a block exclusive with a link
> > > to that idiom tutorials page.
> > >
> > > So, the english tutorials page will have english tutorials
> > > only, and one link per block to every different wiki
> > > page tutorials, like for example for german, spanish, ruse, etc.
> > >
> > > WDT?
> > >
> > > Alvaro
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > El mar, 16-08-2016 a las 10:43 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
> > >> Hi Alvaro,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> looks very good, some very detailed instruction documents!
> > >>
> > >> Maybe we can re-arrange the list of tutorials so that your
> > >> latest/current one is easier to find ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So maybe put your latest ones on top and then the table with the
> > >> archive for the previous versions underneath. Or maybe some other way
> > >> to highlight what is the latest available version to look at.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Sebastian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2016-08-15 19:27 GMT+12:00 Alvaro :
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> As told you two days ago, here is the tutorial for
> > >> OpenMeetings 3.1.2 on PCLinuxOS 2016, called:
> > >>
> > >> Installation OpenMeetings 3.1.x on PCLinuxOS 2016
> > >>
> > >> You can find it together the other new tutorials, in:
> > >>
> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/
> OPENMEETINGS/Tutorials+for
> > >> +installing+OpenMeetings+and+Tools
> > >>
> > >> ...block 10.
> > >>
> > >> You're welcome, Maxim :)
> > >>
> > >> Best Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Alvaro
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> El lun, 15-08-2016 a las 09:47 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik
> > >> escribió:
> > >> > Thanks a lot Alvaro! :)
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Alvaro  >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > Hello
> > >> > >
> > >> > > As you know, yesterday Maxim launched the new stable
> > >> version
> > >> > > Apache OpenMeetings 3.1.2.
> > >> > > This version is highly recommended, by its finish
> > >> > > bright, to have solved a large number of issues.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Likewise, is accompanied by a certificate signing, for
> > >> > > with Oracle Java, desktop sharing, and recording
> > >> > > avoid being blocked.
> > >> > > For these reasons, i congratulate and thank to Maxim, and
> > >> > > recommend installing or upgrade, to this new version
> > >> 3.1.2.
> > >> > >
> > >> 

Re: Get Openmeetings version via SOAP/REST api

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Bhushan,

I would not be aware that any APIs changed. We never changed actually any
APIs. We sometimes deprecate but we still leave the old API calls to
provide backward compatible versions.

So which API call do you say has changed or does not exist anymore?

Thanks,
Sebastian

2016-08-19 5:45 GMT+10:00 Bhushan Patil :

> Hello everyone, we have integrated older version of Openmeetings with our
> application. At the time of migration to OM 3.1.2, we realized that api are
> changed. We want to  keep old code as well as write new code for newer APIs.
> I am unable to find soap/rest api which let us know version of
> Openmeetings.
> Any suggestions?
>



-- 
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https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Get Openmeetings version via SOAP/REST api

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Has it been reworked to fit into the REST (GET/PUT/POST/DELETE)
specification? Is that the change?

Cause AFAIK I think the methods/flow are the same, right ?

Thanks,
Sebastian

2016-08-19 11:09 GMT+10:00 Maxim Solodovnik :

> Hello,
>
> The API was changed (it was discussed here: http://openmeetings.
> markmail.org/thread/43d5irskmknn3u6u)
> Full API as javadocs available here http://openmeetings.
> apache.org/openmeetings-webservice/apidocs/index.html
> Short example available here: http://openmeetings.
> apache.org/RestAPISample.html
> PHP API is here: https://github.com/openmeetings/openmeetings-api-plugin
>
> unfortunately there no t much documentation :(
> I have filed issue against this: https://issues.apache.
> org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-1451
>
> suggestions/contributions are welcome :)
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:45 AM, Bhushan Patil 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone, we have integrated older version of Openmeetings with our
>> application. At the time of migration to OM 3.1.2, we realized that api are
>> changed. We want to  keep old code as well as write new code for newer APIs.
>> I am unable to find soap/rest api which let us know version of
>> Openmeetings.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
seba.wag...@gmail.com

Re: Get Openmeetings version via SOAP/REST api

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Swagger you mean. Yeah that is a really good idea. Especially to get a
proper API document out. With Swagger you can embed example request and
responses a lot more easy.

"Actually everything was changed"
=>I understand the framework and method signatures have changed. But the
logical flow is the same.

Thanks,
Sebastian


2016-08-19 11:31 GMT+10:00 Maxim Solodovnik :

> JFYI: http://cxf.markmail.org/thread/tmarv3xwewgemiut
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> I need help from community to document this
>> I have no time to write code otherwise :
>>
>> Additionally I was thinking about add Swanger to REST 
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually everything was changed
>>>
>>> 0) Axis was removed in favor of CXF
>>> 1) services were split to multiple groups error, user, group, room
>>> recording etc.
>>> 2) method signatures were cleaned up
>>> 3) REST methods are works with JSON now (and produces both XML and JSON)
>>> 4) REST methods uses GET/POST/DELETE (I haven't added PUT)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:16 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Has it been reworked to fit into the REST (GET/PUT/POST/DELETE)
>>>> specification? Is that the change?
>>>>
>>>> Cause AFAIK I think the methods/flow are the same, right ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sebastian
>>>>
>>>> 2016-08-19 11:09 GMT+10:00 Maxim Solodovnik :
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> The API was changed (it was discussed here: http://openmeetings.mark
>>>>> mail.org/thread/43d5irskmknn3u6u)
>>>>> Full API as javadocs available here http://openmeetings.apach
>>>>> e.org/openmeetings-webservice/apidocs/index.html
>>>>> Short example available here: http://openmeetings.apac
>>>>> he.org/RestAPISample.html
>>>>> PHP API is here: https://github.com/openm
>>>>> eetings/openmeetings-api-plugin
>>>>>
>>>>> unfortunately there no t much documentation :(
>>>>> I have filed issue against this: https://issues.apache.or
>>>>> g/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-1451
>>>>>
>>>>> suggestions/contributions are welcome :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:45 AM, Bhushan Patil <
>>>>> thebhushanpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everyone, we have integrated older version of Openmeetings with
>>>>>> our application. At the time of migration to OM 3.1.2, we realized that 
>>>>>> api
>>>>>> are changed. We want to  keep old code as well as write new code for 
>>>>>> newer
>>>>>> APIs.
>>>>>> I am unable to find soap/rest api which let us know version of
>>>>>> Openmeetings.
>>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> WBR
>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



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Re: Get Openmeetings version via SOAP/REST api

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Was there a new Moodle plugin issued to be compatible with this API ?

2016-08-19 12:32 GMT+10:00 Maxim Solodovnik :

> yep, Swagger :))
>
> The general flow is the same, I just reduced the number of requests
> required (2 against 3) :)
> Also new version is more extendable and more compact :)
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 9:29 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Swagger you mean. Yeah that is a really good idea. Especially to get a
>> proper API document out. With Swagger you can embed example request and
>> responses a lot more easy.
>>
>> "Actually everything was changed"
>> =>I understand the framework and method signatures have changed. But the
>> logical flow is the same.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> 2016-08-19 11:31 GMT+10:00 Maxim Solodovnik :
>>
>>> JFYI: http://cxf.markmail.org/thread/tmarv3xwewgemiut
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Maxim Solodovnik 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need help from community to document this
>>>> I have no time to write code otherwise :
>>>>
>>>> Additionally I was thinking about add Swanger to REST 
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Maxim Solodovnik >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually everything was changed
>>>>>
>>>>> 0) Axis was removed in favor of CXF
>>>>> 1) services were split to multiple groups error, user, group, room
>>>>> recording etc.
>>>>> 2) method signatures were cleaned up
>>>>> 3) REST methods are works with JSON now (and produces both XML and
>>>>> JSON)
>>>>> 4) REST methods uses GET/POST/DELETE (I haven't added PUT)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:16 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Has it been reworked to fit into the REST (GET/PUT/POST/DELETE)
>>>>>> specification? Is that the change?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cause AFAIK I think the methods/flow are the same, right ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2016-08-19 11:09 GMT+10:00 Maxim Solodovnik :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The API was changed (it was discussed here: http://openmeetings.mark
>>>>>>> mail.org/thread/43d5irskmknn3u6u)
>>>>>>> Full API as javadocs available here http://openmeetings.apach
>>>>>>> e.org/openmeetings-webservice/apidocs/index.html
>>>>>>> Short example available here: http://openmeetings.apac
>>>>>>> he.org/RestAPISample.html
>>>>>>> PHP API is here: https://github.com/openm
>>>>>>> eetings/openmeetings-api-plugin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> unfortunately there no t much documentation :(
>>>>>>> I have filed issue against this: https://issues.apache.or
>>>>>>> g/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-1451
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> suggestions/contributions are welcome :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:45 AM, Bhushan Patil <
>>>>>>> thebhushanpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, we have integrated older version of Openmeetings
>>>>>>>> with our application. At the time of migration to OM 3.1.2, we realized
>>>>>>>> that api are changed. We want to  keep old code as well as write new 
>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>> for newer APIs.
>>>>>>>> I am unable to find soap/rest api which let us know version of
>>>>>>>> Openmeetings.
>>>>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> WBR
>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



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Re: [DISCUSSION] 3.2.0 release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

e.org/>http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Configuration -> Customization -> Styling
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think would it be OK?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Peter Dähn < 
>>>>> da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ok... is this Info somewhere? Maybe it is enough to write it down in
>>>>>> the documentation...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 20.01.2017 um 13:27 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To provide custom styling/layout you can modify existing css files
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can create empty "custom.css" and will add it to be included last,
>>>>>> but I see not much sense in it 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and you can do it as follows:
>>>>>> 1) create webapps/openmeetings/css/custom.css file
>>>>>> 2) open 
>>>>>> webapps/openmeetings/WEB-INF/classes/org/apache/openmeetings/web/pages/BasePage.html
>>>>>> add link to your new CSS file
>>>>>>
>>>>>> something like this :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Peter Dähn < 
>>>>>> da...@vcrp.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> one more thing: is it possible to provide a custom.css file to
>>>>>>> provide custom layout somehow?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 19.01.2017 um 06:42 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe 3.2.0 should be released, I'm going to implement
>>>>>>> <https://issues.apach>https://issues.apach
>>>>>>> e.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-1527 and would like to pack RC1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if there are any critical issues.
>>>>>>> (you can use our demo for tests:  <https://om>https://om
>>>>>>> .alteametasoft.com:8443/next)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And IMHO we need to switch main stable development branch to 3.2.x
>>>>>>> 3.1.5 can be released in a week or so with some critical REST/SOAP
>>>>>>> fixes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> WBR
>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> WBR
>>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WBR
>>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Dmitry Bezheckov.
>
>


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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache OpenMeetings 3.3.0 released

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Cheers!

https://blogs.apache.org/openmeetings/entry/openmeetings-3-3-0-released

Thanks,
Sebastian

2017-07-14 4:09 GMT+12:00 Maxim Solodovnik :

> The Apache Openmeetings project is pleased to announce
> the release of Apache Openmeetings 3.3.0.
> The release is available for download from
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/downloads.html
>
> Apache OpenMeetings provides video conferencing, instant messaging, white
> board,
> collaborative document editing and other groupware tools using API
> functions of the
> Red5 Streaming Server for Remoting and Streaming.
>
> Release 3.3.0, provides following improvements:
>
> Security fixes in:
> * Chat
> * All requests via security headers
> * More secure password processing rules and storage
> * More strict rules for uploaded files
> * SQL injection in web services
>
> 11 security vulnerabilities were addressed
>
> Whiteboard:
> * Room is displayed without overlap in IE
> * Multiple display issues
> * Wb room element can now be hidden
>
> Other fixes and improvements,
>
> https://www.apache.org/dist/openmeetings/3.3.0/CHANGELOG
> 21 issues were fixed
>
> and Detailed list:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
> projectId=12312720&version=12339849
>
> For more information on Apache Openmeeting please visit project home
> page: http://openmeetings.apache.org
>
> Apache OpenMeetings Team
>



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Re: Maybe stupid question - updating

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

5.0.0-M5 hasn't been released yet. Its only available as Snapshot.
Releases will be announced via website and mailing list. There will be also
discussions and vote's on the dev mailing list to discuss releases ready.

M4 is not even recommended for Prod usage yet. The "M" in the version
number stands for beta. Although I may understand people want to use it
since it doesn't require Flash.

Re upgrade process: See: https://openmeetings.apache.org/Upgrade.html
There is a backup and re-import feature. If you want to migrate
users/rooms/files from one installation to another.

However if you don't mind loosing some of the user generated data you can
also simply start a new instance.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/


On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 01:25, Peter-Otto Weber  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> is it easy to update to newer releases?
>
>
>
> Lets say to 5.0.0-M5.
>
>
>
> How will new official releases be announced ?
>
>
>
> Does it make sense to update M5 right now?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> POW
>

Re: kurento.MediaPipeline not found

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Elisabeth,

what version of Kurento (and OM) are you running?

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/




On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 08:20, Elisabeth Arnold 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I’ve installed the openmeetings server now a second time – after screwing
> up my first, nicely running installation by trying to be too clever.
>
>
>
> Now it runs again but I am getting the following error „Failed to start
> broadcast: Object
> 'f8ea123c-d0da-40a2-9339-516c027e6b58_kurento.MediaPipeline' not found
> (Code:40101, Type:null, Data: {"type":"MEDIA_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND"})“ whenever
> I try to switch on my microphone.
>
>
>
> Is it a small mistake or shall I start all over?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Elisabeth
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Apache alongside Openmeetings

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

How about we change the default redirect to 5443 ?
Or add some warning in case you are on http ?

Cause essentially you can't use the conference room over http.

Cheers
Seb


Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/




On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 23:26, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

>
>
> (from mobile, sorry for typos)
>
> On Sun, May 3, 2020, 18:19  wrote:
>
>> Hey everybody,
>>
>> many thanks for your help and patience so far. OM seems to be like a new
>> engine. Needs some practise at the beginning to run well.I had a new
>> session with one of my collegues. The first meeting with him caused a
>> lot of problems the second one went very well.
>>
>> Here comes another question:
>>
>> OM offers a redirection to an website if your room is closed.  I would
>> like to build a simple website to send my students  a more personal
>> message,  the room is closed, please check tomorrow or send a message to
>>  your administrator ..  to nico    I allthough would love to set
>> a redirection from for example http://test.metme.org to
>> https://test.metme.org:5443 just to make a bit easier for students if
>> they follow the wrong path.
>>
>
> OM admin can set any URL for closed room
> In case you you would like to redirect all http requests to OM to https
> You need frontend Apache (not sure of it is possible with Tomcat ...)
>
>>
>> Do you know if it is possible to run apache alongside OM on the same
>> machine to make this redirections  is there another solution ?
>>
>> Many thanks again ...
>>
>> Kaffeesurrogat
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: kurento.MediaPipeline not found

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I think it means the MediaPipeline has not been created in the Kurento
MediaServer

OpenMeetings creates a new pipeline when a new stream tries to connect.

Are you seeing any other errors or exceptions in the log file ?

Thanks,
Sebastian

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On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 08:45, Elisabeth Arnold 
wrote:

> Hi Seb,
>
>
>
> I’ve been following alvaro Bustos‘ Tutorial for OM 5.0.0-M4. I guess I
> have the Kurento Media Server 6 running since I used this line:
>
> deb [arch=amd64] http://ubuntu.openvidu.io/6.13.0 bionic kms6
>
>
>
> Thx to you,
>
> Elisabeth
>
>
>
> *Von:* seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 3. Mai 2020 22:23
> *An:* Openmeetings user-list 
> *Betreff:* Re: kurento.MediaPipeline not found
>
>
>
> Hi Elisabeth,
>
>
>
> what version of Kurento (and OM) are you running?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Seb
>
>
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>
> [image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>[image:
> Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 08:20, Elisabeth Arnold <
> elisabeth.arn...@landshut.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I’ve installed the openmeetings server now a second time – after screwing
> up my first, nicely running installation by trying to be too clever.
>
>
>
> Now it runs again but I am getting the following error „Failed to start
> broadcast: Object
> 'f8ea123c-d0da-40a2-9339-516c027e6b58_kurento.MediaPipeline' not found
> (Code:40101, Type:null, Data: {"type":"MEDIA_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND"})“ whenever
> I try to switch on my microphone.
>
>
>
> Is it a small mistake or shall I start all over?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Elisabeth
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Apache alongside Openmeetings

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Well there are probably a 100 different ways to do HTTPS.

Tomcat proxy, native https, other ssl terminations on a router or gateway.

Like literally a 100ways of doing it.

But I guess what I mean is that in the browser, if it detects you do the
application without HTTPS (no matter how) it would be nice to tell the user
that he won't be able to do a conference call. Before he is doing it.

It will just lead to a lot of questions of new users and admins.

At the moment the warning pops up if you are inside the meeting room. And
only if you try to share your audio/video. It could be quite annoying for a
user to do everything, sit in a meeting room, just about to share his
audio/video and then discover "oh this won't work". You know what I mean ?

It is just very late in the process. It is "technically" right. That ONLY
in that moment you need https. But imagine how many people run into this.
And how many of those will take the time to complain. Or simply not use
OpenMeetings ever again?

Thx
Seb

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On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 11:20, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Http should be used with front-end https proxy 
>
> (from mobile, sorry for typos)
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020, 03:38 seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> How about we change the default redirect to 5443 ?
>> Or add some warning in case you are on http ?
>>
>> Cause essentially you can't use the conference room over http.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Seb
>>
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 23:26, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (from mobile, sorry for typos)
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 3, 2020, 18:19  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey everybody,
>>>>
>>>> many thanks for your help and patience so far. OM seems to be like a
>>>> new
>>>> engine. Needs some practise at the beginning to run well.I had a new
>>>> session with one of my collegues. The first meeting with him caused a
>>>> lot of problems the second one went very well.
>>>>
>>>> Here comes another question:
>>>>
>>>> OM offers a redirection to an website if your room is closed.  I would
>>>> like to build a simple website to send my students  a more personal
>>>> message,  the room is closed, please check tomorrow or send a message
>>>> to
>>>>  your administrator ..  to nico    I allthough would love to
>>>> set
>>>> a redirection from for example http://test.metme.org to
>>>> https://test.metme.org:5443 just to make a bit easier for students if
>>>> they follow the wrong path.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OM admin can set any URL for closed room
>>> In case you you would like to redirect all http requests to OM to https
>>> You need frontend Apache (not sure of it is possible with Tomcat ...)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you know if it is possible to run apache alongside OM on the same
>>>> machine to make this redirections  is there another solution ?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks again ...
>>>>
>>>> Kaffeesurrogat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: Apache alongside Openmeetings

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Yeah that is what I think too.

Maybe put some warning message right on the Sign/In and Login screen in
case you are not using https.

Cheers
Seb

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On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 11:43, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> we can move current warning "upper"
> but i'm afraid no-one read those :(
>
> (right now we have hundred reports like: I turn on video get some red
> boxes what is wrong )
>
> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 06:27, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Well there are probably a 100 different ways to do HTTPS.
>>
>> Tomcat proxy, native https, other ssl terminations on a router or gateway.
>>
>> Like literally a 100ways of doing it.
>>
>> But I guess what I mean is that in the browser, if it detects you do the
>> application without HTTPS (no matter how) it would be nice to tell the user
>> that he won't be able to do a conference call. Before he is doing it.
>>
>> It will just lead to a lot of questions of new users and admins.
>>
>> At the moment the warning pops up if you are inside the meeting room. And
>> only if you try to share your audio/video. It could be quite annoying for a
>> user to do everything, sit in a meeting room, just about to share his
>> audio/video and then discover "oh this won't work". You know what I mean ?
>>
>> It is just very late in the process. It is "technically" right. That ONLY
>> in that moment you need https. But imagine how many people run into this.
>> And how many of those will take the time to complain. Or simply not use
>> OpenMeetings ever again?
>>
>> Thx
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 11:20, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Http should be used with front-end https proxy 
>>>
>>> (from mobile, sorry for typos)
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2020, 03:38 seba.wag...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about we change the default redirect to 5443 ?
>>>> Or add some warning in case you are on http ?
>>>>
>>>> Cause essentially you can't use the conference room over http.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Seb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 23:26, Maxim Solodovnik 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (from mobile, sorry for typos)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2020, 18:19  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey everybody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> many thanks for your help and patience so far. OM seems to be like a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> engine. Needs some practise at the beginning to run well.I had a new
>>>>>> session with one of my collegues. The first meeting with him caused a
>>>>>> lot of problems the second one went very well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here comes another question:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OM offers a redirection to an website if your room is closed.  I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> like to build a simple website to send my students  a more personal
>>>>>> message,  the room is closed, please check tomorrow or send a message
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>  your administrator ..  to nico    I allthough would love to
>>>>>> set
>>>>>> a redirection from for example http://test.metme.org to
>>>>>> https://test.metme.org:5443 just to make a bit easier for students
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> they follow the wrong path.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OM admin can set any URL for closed room
>>>>> In case you you would like to redirect all http requests to OM to https
>>>>> You need frontend Apache (not sure of it is possible with Tomcat ...)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know if it is possible to run apache alongside OM on the same
>>>>>> machine to make this redirections  is there another solution ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks again ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kaffeesurrogat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Update M3 -> M4

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I have M3, M4, M5 and I don't see this error.

This is a jodconverter error.

Did you try to complete installation and upload a document to check ?
You can update this path later if required in the Admin>Config section.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/




On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 19:49, K. Kamhamea  wrote:

> When running M4 after update I got this error: "Office process died with
> exit code 77"
>
> With M3 everything was fine. I re-installed LibreOffice but the error
> remained.
>
> Best K.
>
> [image: slide-06'2.JPG]
>
>

Re: Update M3 -> M4

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

t;>
>>>
>>> Best K.
>>>
>>> Am Mo., 4. Mai 2020 um 17:08 Uhr schrieb Maxim Solodovnik <
>>> solomax...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Are you installing to desktop or server?
>>>> What in the logs?
>>>> What OS on your server?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 16:57, K. Kamhamea 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The path is correct, as can be checked by "whereis libreoffice" and
>>>>> obviously it can connect to LO but gets an error executing some command.
>>>>>
>>>>> When uploading an office document I get an error as expected.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: error-file-processing.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> I just completely removed LO from my system
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo apt remove libreoffice
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and re-installed it via repository
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
>>>>> sudo apt update
>>>>> sudo apt install libreoffice
>>>>>
>>>>> same result. Any idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best K.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am Mo., 4. Mai 2020 um 10:42 Uhr schrieb seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have M3, M4, M5 and I don't see this error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a jodconverter error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you try to complete installation and upload a document to check ?
>>>>>> You can update this path later if required in the Admin>Config
>>>>>> section.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Seb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 19:49, K. Kamhamea 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When running M4 after update I got this error: "Office process died
>>>>>>> with exit code 77"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With M3 everything was fine. I re-installed LibreOffice but the
>>>>>>> error remained.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best K.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: slide-06'2.JPG]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>

Re: Apache alongside Openmeetings

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Just put it on top of the login/sign in window.

The problem on mobile is NOT the space. The problem is that the page
doesn't scroll.

Normally on touchscreens/mobile browsers if you scroll: All the menu bar
and the top area disappears. So you basically are in full screen. But only
if you can scroll the page. And then you can scroll down to parts that are
covered by the virtual keyboard overlayed on the screen.
But with our app it doesn't work. Cause it resizes to fit 100% into the
window. So no scrollbar. So you can't scroll down to areas covered but the
virtual keyboard.

There is some design thinking needed to solve that.

Anyway. For the warning window if Non-HTTPS: You can put a warning on top
of the login screen, a header just underneath the top. With absolute
positioning.  So that the window (login or sign up) doesn't move more down.

That should be easily doable.

Thanks,
Seb


Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
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On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 03:06, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> i do remember you have reported there is not enough space for keyboard on
> mobile already ...
> Are you sure we have space for alert? :))
>
> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 09:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah that is what I think too.
>>
>> Maybe put some warning message right on the Sign/In and Login screen in
>> case you are not using https.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 11:43, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> we can move current warning "upper"
>>> but i'm afraid no-one read those :(
>>>
>>> (right now we have hundred reports like: I turn on video get some red
>>> boxes what is wrong )
>>>
>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 06:27, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well there are probably a 100 different ways to do HTTPS.
>>>>
>>>> Tomcat proxy, native https, other ssl terminations on a router or
>>>> gateway.
>>>>
>>>> Like literally a 100ways of doing it.
>>>>
>>>> But I guess what I mean is that in the browser, if it detects you do
>>>> the application without HTTPS (no matter how) it would be nice to tell the
>>>> user that he won't be able to do a conference call. Before he is doing it.
>>>>
>>>> It will just lead to a lot of questions of new users and admins.
>>>>
>>>> At the moment the warning pops up if you are inside the meeting room.
>>>> And only if you try to share your audio/video. It could be quite annoying
>>>> for a user to do everything, sit in a meeting room, just about to share his
>>>> audio/video and then discover "oh this won't work". You know what I mean ?
>>>>
>>>> It is just very late in the process. It is "technically" right. That
>>>> ONLY in that moment you need https. But imagine how many people run into
>>>> this. And how many of those will take the time to complain. Or simply not
>>>> use OpenMeetings ever again?
>>>>
>>>> Thx
>>>> Seb
>>>>
>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 11:20, Maxim Solodovnik 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Http should be used with front-end https proxy 
>>>>>
>>>>> (from mobile, sorry for typos)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2020, 03:38 seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about we change the default redirect to 5443 ?
>>>>>> Or add some warning in case you are on http ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cause essentially you can't use the conference room over http.
>>>>>>
>

Re: Apache alongside Openmeetings

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

There are some articles of why mobile layouts of web-pages need to scroll
and why its acceptable:
https://usabilitygeek.com/how-scrolling-can-make-or-break-your-user-experience/

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
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On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 15:47, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Just put it on top of the login/sign in window.
>
> The problem on mobile is NOT the space. The problem is that the page
> doesn't scroll.
>
> Normally on touchscreens/mobile browsers if you scroll: All the menu bar
> and the top area disappears. So you basically are in full screen. But only
> if you can scroll the page. And then you can scroll down to parts that are
> covered by the virtual keyboard overlayed on the screen.
> But with our app it doesn't work. Cause it resizes to fit 100% into the
> window. So no scrollbar. So you can't scroll down to areas covered but the
> virtual keyboard.
>
> There is some design thinking needed to solve that.
>
> Anyway. For the warning window if Non-HTTPS: You can put a warning on top
> of the login screen, a header just underneath the top. With absolute
> positioning.  So that the window (login or sign up) doesn't move more down.
>
> That should be easily doable.
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 03:06, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> i do remember you have reported there is not enough space for keyboard on
>> mobile already ...
>> Are you sure we have space for alert? :))
>>
>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 09:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah that is what I think too.
>>>
>>> Maybe put some warning message right on the Sign/In and Login screen in
>>> case you are not using https.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 11:43, Maxim Solodovnik 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> we can move current warning "upper"
>>>> but i'm afraid no-one read those :(
>>>>
>>>> (right now we have hundred reports like: I turn on video get some red
>>>> boxes what is wrong )
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 06:27, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well there are probably a 100 different ways to do HTTPS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomcat proxy, native https, other ssl terminations on a router or
>>>>> gateway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like literally a 100ways of doing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I guess what I mean is that in the browser, if it detects you do
>>>>> the application without HTTPS (no matter how) it would be nice to tell the
>>>>> user that he won't be able to do a conference call. Before he is doing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will just lead to a lot of questions of new users and admins.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the moment the warning pops up if you are inside the meeting room.
>>>>> And only if you try to share your audio/video. It could be quite annoying
>>>>> for a user to do everything, sit in a meeting room, just about to share 
>>>>> his
>>>>> audio/video and then discover "oh this won't work". You know what I mean ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is just very late in the process. It is "technically" right. That
>>>>> ONLY in that moment you need https. But imagine how many people run into
>>>>> this. And how many of those will take the time to complain. Or simply not
>>>>> use OpenMeetings ever again?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx
>>>>> Seb
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>>>>
>>>>&g

Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Could you double check the user in the openmeetings database has the
correct time zone ?

During installation the timezone of the user that does the install is not
always what you expect.

Can you check the field "om_user.time_zone_id" in the openmeetings database
for the relevant users that show the wrong timezone ?

It would be surprising if America/Montreal is the only wrong zone.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/




On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 05:27, Chamberland, Martin <
martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:

> [image: cid:banner1.jpg]
>
>
>
> 1) country = Canada
>
> 2) language = French
>
> 3) time zone = America/Montreal
>
>
>
> The time is showing strange  : 20-05-05 20 ‘8’ 00
>
> With country United State, we can see  05/05/2020  13:20
>
>
>
> *De :* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
> *Envoyé :* 5 mai 2020 13:18
> *À :* Openmeetings user-list 
> *Objet :* Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)
>
>
>
> Hello Martin,
>
>
>
> could you check if the issue is reproducible on demo-next?
>
> If so please share
>
> 1) country
>
> 2) language
>
> 3) time zone
>
>
>
> thanks in advance!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 00:14, Chamberland, Martin <
> martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D622E0.7BC9F4E0]
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
>
>
> Sorry to tell you that the fix for the issue about Canadian timezone add
> in M5 is not working here.
>
> We upgrade our version from M4 to M5 and we are still having problem
> creating room/conference.
>
>
>
> Looks like the only country that is not working is ‘Canada’.
>
> We test 5-8 others country like Japan, Germany, Andorra, Tunisia , all
> working good with  date/time.
>
>
>
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2334?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I don't see a reference to moment.js in our source code repo.

Where is the reference to moment.js ?

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
<https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
<https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>


On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 12:02, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> The issue is caused by the limitations of moment.js
> we have to provide it with more locales some-how, or invent workaround
> i'll try to check
>
> JIRA is reopened
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 03:38, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Could you double check the user in the openmeetings database has the
>> correct time zone ?
>>
>> During installation the timezone of the user that does the install is not
>> always what you expect.
>>
>> Can you check the field "om_user.time_zone_id" in the openmeetings
>> database for the relevant users that show the wrong timezone ?
>>
>> It would be surprising if America/Montreal is the only wrong zone.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 05:27, Chamberland, Martin <
>> martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: cid:banner1.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) country = Canada
>>>
>>> 2) language = French
>>>
>>> 3) time zone = America/Montreal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The time is showing strange  : 20-05-05 20 ‘8’ 00
>>>
>>> With country United State, we can see  05/05/2020  13:20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De :* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
>>> *Envoyé :* 5 mai 2020 13:18
>>> *À :* Openmeetings user-list 
>>> *Objet :* Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Martin,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> could you check if the issue is reproducible on demo-next?
>>>
>>> If so please share
>>>
>>> 1) country
>>>
>>> 2) language
>>>
>>> 3) time zone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 00:14, Chamberland, Martin <
>>> martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D622E0.7BC9F4E0]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry to tell you that the fix for the issue about Canadian timezone add
>>> in M5 is not working here.
>>>
>>> We upgrade our version from M4 to M5 and we are still having problem
>>> creating room/conference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like the only country that is not working is ‘Canada’.
>>>
>>> We test 5-8 others country like Japan, Germany, Andorra, Tunisia , all
>>> working good with  date/time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2334?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

When I change my users timezone to America/Montreal it doesn't show any
AM/PM at all

[image: image.png]

I can create the meeting just fine. There is no error.

This is current snapshot (maybe 2-3days since last sync)

Thanks,
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
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On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 00:43, Chamberland, Martin <
martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:

> [image: cid:banner1.jpg]
>
>
>
> Are you sure the problem come from  moment.js ?
>
>
>
> From here, if we choose Canada French down the page
>
>
>
> https://momentjs.com/
>
>
>
> Everything looks good in the format above.
>
> *De :* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
> *Envoyé :* 5 mai 2020 22:33
> *À :* Openmeetings user-list 
> *Objet :* Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)
>
>
>
> we are using this https://tempusdominus.github.io/bootstrap-4/Usage/
>
> datetime picker now
>
> It uses moment.js internally
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 08:57, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I don't see a reference to moment.js in our source code repo.
>
>
>
> Where is the reference to moment.js ?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Seb
>
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>
> [image: Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>[image:
> Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 12:02, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
> The issue is caused by the limitations of moment.js
>
> we have to provide it with more locales some-how, or invent workaround
>
> i'll try to check
>
>
>
> JIRA is reopened
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 03:38, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Could you double check the user in the openmeetings database has the
> correct time zone ?
>
>
>
> During installation the timezone of the user that does the install is not
> always what you expect.
>
>
>
> Can you check the field "om_user.time_zone_id" in the openmeetings
> database for the relevant users that show the wrong timezone ?
>
>
>
> It would be surprising if America/Montreal is the only wrong zone.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Seb
>
>
> Sebastian Wagner
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>
> [image: Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>[image:
> Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 05:27, Chamberland, Martin <
> martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:
>
> [image: cid:banner1.jpg]
>
>
>
> 1) country = Canada
>
> 2) language = French
>
> 3) time zone = America/Montreal
>
>
>
> The time is showing strange  : 20-05-05 20 ‘8’ 00
>
> With country United State, we can see  05/05/2020  13:20
>
>
>
> *De :* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
> *Envoyé :* 5 mai 2020 13:18
> *À :* Openmeetings user-list 
> *Objet :* Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)
>
>
>
> Hello Martin,
>
>
>
> could you check if the issue is reproducible on demo-next?
>
> If so please share
>
> 1) country
>
> 2) language
>
> 3) time zone
>
>
>
> thanks in advance!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 00:14, Chamberland, Martin <
> martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D622E0.7BC9F4E0]
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
>
>
> Sorry to tell you that the fix for the issue about Canadian timezone add
> in M5 is not working here.
>
> We upgrade our version from M4 to M5 and we are still having problem
> creating room/conference.
>
>
>
> Looks like the only country that is not working is ‘Canada’.
>
> We test 5-8 others country like Japan, Germany, Andorra, Tunisia , all
> working good with  date/time.
>
>
>
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2334?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

And I would also like to mention: Allez Montréal!

Cheers
Seb

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On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 08:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> When I change my users timezone to America/Montreal it doesn't show any
> AM/PM at all
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> I can create the meeting just fine. There is no error.
>
> This is current snapshot (maybe 2-3days since last sync)
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>
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>
>
> On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 00:43, Chamberland, Martin <
> martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:
>
>> [image: cid:banner1.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you sure the problem come from  moment.js ?
>>
>>
>>
>> From here, if we choose Canada French down the page
>>
>>
>>
>> https://momentjs.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> Everything looks good in the format above.
>>
>> *De :* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
>> *Envoyé :* 5 mai 2020 22:33
>> *À :* Openmeetings user-list 
>> *Objet :* Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)
>>
>>
>>
>> we are using this https://tempusdominus.github.io/bootstrap-4/Usage/
>>
>> datetime picker now
>>
>> It uses moment.js internally
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 08:57, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't see a reference to moment.js in our source code repo.
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the reference to moment.js ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Seb
>>
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>
>> [image: Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>[image:
>> Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 12:02, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The issue is caused by the limitations of moment.js
>>
>> we have to provide it with more locales some-how, or invent workaround
>>
>> i'll try to check
>>
>>
>>
>> JIRA is reopened
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 03:38, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Could you double check the user in the openmeetings database has the
>> correct time zone ?
>>
>>
>>
>> During installation the timezone of the user that does the install is not
>> always what you expect.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you check the field "om_user.time_zone_id" in the openmeetings
>> database for the relevant users that show the wrong timezone ?
>>
>>
>>
>> It would be surprising if America/Montreal is the only wrong zone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Seb
>>
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianwagner/
>>
>> [image: Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>[image:
>> Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.]
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 05:27, Chamberland, Martin <
>> martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:
>>
>> [image: cid:banner1.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) country = Canada
>>
>> 2) language = French
>>
>> 3) time zone = America/Montreal
>>
>>
>>
>> The time is showing strange  : 20-05-05 20 ‘8’ 00
>>
>> With country United State, we can see  05/05/2020  13:20
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
>> *Envoyé :* 5 mai 2020 13:18
>> *À :* Openmeetings user-list 
>> *Objet :* Re: OpenMeeting 5.0.0 M5 (fix TimeZone Canadian)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Martin,
>>
>>
>>
>> could you check if the issue is reproducible on demo-next?
>>
>> If so please share
>>
>> 1) country
>>
>> 2) language
>>
>> 3) time zone
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 00:14, Chamberland, Martin <
>> martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D622E0.7BC9F4E0]
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to tell you that the fix for the issue about Canadian timezone add
>> in M5 is not working here.
>>
>> We upgrade our version from M4 to M5 and we are still having problem
>> creating room/conference.
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like the only country that is not working is ‘Canada’.
>>
>> We test 5-8 others country like Japan, Germany, Andorra, Tunisia , all
>> working good with  date/time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2334?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>

Re: [DISCUSSION] next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

How are we doing in terms of Load Testing ?

I don't mind so much feature completeness or 100% replicating what was in
4.x.

But I am mindful of the backlash in terms of being production ready if we
have issues in scaling up to 100+ concurrent users.

Do we have any positive results/feedback/scenarios on that ?
Can we do anything to de-risk this and confirm we are ready for production ?

Are there any users on this list that can help us and that can run a low
risk scenario with 100+ users in a presentation conference room ?

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 08:55, K. Kamhamea  wrote:

> Please can someone explain?
> I understand that SIP has something to do with IP telephones, but what
> does that mean to OM functionality?
> Best K.
>
> Am Mi., 13. Mai 2020 um 18:15 Uhr schrieb R. Scholz <
> rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de>:
>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> at this moment two things are important for me:
>> - calling a room directly with room-name
>> - SIP-support
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 13.05.2020 um 17:59 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 22:55, Rohrbach, Gerald 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maxim,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cool, you are coming forward…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SIP Next Release means 6.0.0?
>>>
>>
>> This need to be discussed separately, but I would say 5.1.0 :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
>>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2020 17:47
>>> *An:* Openmeetings user-list 
>>> *Betreff:* [DISCUSSION] next release
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Today I've noticed we already addressed 41 issue for M5
>>>
>>> I would like to perform next release as soon as current `master` will be
>>> even more stable
>>>
>>> And release it as "5.0.0" (NOT 5.0.0-M5)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I plan to include
>>>
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2297
>>>
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2236
>>>
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2217
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> to upcoming release as well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> there is no ETA yet due to
>>>
>>> 1) we still have reports regarding stability
>>>
>>> 2) we are waiting for Apache Wicket release
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> please let me know if you see other blockers :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SIP most probably will go to the next release
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>
>>

Re: [DISCUSSION] next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Yeah that would be great if we have some users that can provide some
testing feedback with larger audiences.

We had some Universities in the past that could run some tests for us.

Thanks,
Seb

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On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 14:59, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Hello Sebastian,
>
> On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 06:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> How are we doing in terms of Load Testing ?
>>
>
> Well I see no way to test heavy load at one machine
> Here are some number for KMS: https://testrtc.com/sessions-kurento-server/
>
> I had plans to re-implement external video functionality
> this might allow as to test room load with multiple streams
> but I believe this is not real-world scenario
>
> my laptop can handle ~20-30 simultaneous tabs, not 100 
>
>
>>
>> I don't mind so much feature completeness or 100% replicating what was in
>> 4.x.
>>
>> But I am mindful of the backlash in terms of being production ready if we
>> have issues in scaling up to 100+ concurrent users.
>>
>> Do we have any positive results/feedback/scenarios on that ?
>> Can we do anything to de-risk this and confirm we are ready for
>> production ?
>>
>> Are there any users on this list that can help us and that can run a low
>> risk scenario with 100+ users in a presentation conference room ?
>>
>
> Peter has published numbers for 4.x
> Maybe he can share numbers for 5.0 if it will be stable enough :)
>
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
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>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 08:55, K. Kamhamea 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please can someone explain?
>>> I understand that SIP has something to do with IP telephones, but what
>>> does that mean to OM functionality?
>>> Best K.
>>>
>>> Am Mi., 13. Mai 2020 um 18:15 Uhr schrieb R. Scholz <
>>> rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de>:
>>>
>>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>>
>>>> at this moment two things are important for me:
>>>> - calling a room directly with room-name
>>>> - SIP-support
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 13.05.2020 um 17:59 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 22:55, Rohrbach, Gerald <
>>>> g.rohrb...@funkegruppe.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maxim,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> cool, you are coming forward…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SIP Next Release means 6.0.0?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This need to be discussed separately, but I would say 5.1.0 :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Von:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2020 17:47
>>>>> *An:* Openmeetings user-list 
>>>>> *Betreff:* [DISCUSSION] next release
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I've noticed we already addressed 41 issue for M5
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to perform next release as soon as current `master` will
>>>>> be even more stable
>>>>>
>>>>> And release it as "5.0.0" (NOT 5.0.0-M5)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I plan to include
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2297
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2236
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2217
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> to upcoming release as well
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> there is no ETA yet due to
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) we still have reports regarding stability
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) we are waiting for Apache Wicket release
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> please let me know if you see other blockers :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SIP most probably will go to the next release
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Maxim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: [DISCUSSION] next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

That sounds like a good initiative Juan. And some classic literature!

I would hope we can find over time some better support in a larger group
with 100+ people.

@Maxim Solodovnik   Is there a document describing
how to update https://demo-openmeetings.apache.org/
<https://demo-openmeetings.apache.org/o> ?
Maybe we can make that instance available and then start approaching
somebody that has a larger group of 100+ people ?
I'm sure if we contact some universities we can find somebody willing to
help.

Thanks,
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 06:33, Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona 
wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I think it's a good idea. I have an openmeetings installation that we
> could use to do those tests. But I have to count on you. I have prepared a
> room with a pdf document and a sound file (an .ogg file). The pdf document
> is the third chapter of Hermann Melville's book 'Moby Dick' and the audio
> file is read in English.
>
> I can send an invitation by email to anyone who confirms that they are
> interested in attending this presentation. The more we are, the more useful
> the test will be.
>
> I propose next Saturday as the appropriate date and could open the room at
> the following times, (all GMT) 8:00, 11:00, 16:00 and 19:00. The audio file
> lasts approximately 35 minutes. I am at GMT + 2 (CET).
>
> What do you think about?
> We can even do a test this afternoon at eight, in about an hour and a
> half, with users who can attend at that time.
>
> Regards.
> El 14/5/20 a las 1:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>
> How are we doing in terms of Load Testing ?
>
> I don't mind so much feature completeness or 100% replicating what was in
> 4.x.
>
> But I am mindful of the backlash in terms of being production ready if we
> have issues in scaling up to 100+ concurrent users.
>
> Do we have any positive results/feedback/scenarios on that ?
> Can we do anything to de-risk this and confirm we are ready for production
> ?
>
> Are there any users on this list that can help us and that can run a low
> risk scenario with 100+ users in a presentation conference room ?
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 08:55, K. Kamhamea  wrote:
>
>> Please can someone explain?
>> I understand that SIP has something to do with IP telephones, but what
>> does that mean to OM functionality?
>> Best K.
>>
>> Am Mi., 13. Mai 2020 um 18:15 Uhr schrieb R. Scholz <
>> rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de>:
>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> at this moment two things are important for me:
>>> - calling a room directly with room-name
>>> - SIP-support
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 13.05.2020 um 17:59 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 22:55, Rohrbach, Gerald <
>>> g.rohrb...@funkegruppe.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maxim,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cool, you are coming forward…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SIP Next Release means 6.0.0?
>>>>
>>>
>>> This need to be discussed separately, but I would say 5.1.0 :)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gerald
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Von:* Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
>>>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2020 17:47
>>>> *An:* Openmeetings user-list 
>>>> *Betreff:* [DISCUSSION] next release
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today I've noticed we already addressed 41 issue for M5
>>>>
>>>> I would like to perform next release as soon as current `master` will
>>>> be even more stable
>>>>
>>>> And release it as "5.0.0" (NOT 5.0.0-M5)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I plan to include
>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2297
>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2236
>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2217
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> to upcoming release as well
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> there is no ETA yet due to
>>>>
>>>> 1) we still have reports regarding stability
>>>>
>>>> 2) we are waiting for Apache Wicket release
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> please let me know if you see other blockers :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SIP most probably will go to the next release
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [DISCUSSION] next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

For instance there might be a way to contact some of the users of the
openmeetings-moodle plugin if they have a large enough audience. And happy
to conduct some test session.

I am mainly looking at the following scenario:
1 presenter x 100 viewers
Issues we had in the past:
1) 50+ people entering the conference room at the exact same time. Some
issues in race conditions. As well as performance on the UI when multiple
new users get initialised.
2) Multiple videos streams starting at the same time on the Media Server
3) General stability over following few minutes and bandwidth usage
4) People dropping on and off during the meeting, potentially reconnecting.
Making sure their stream + UI stays clean. For example no stale/ghost
connections in the background created
5) Teacher changes stream, while having 100+ viewers. Everybody reconnects
to the new stream
6) Clean stop once finishing, no stale/ghost connections left in room after
conference is finished

Those some of the points. No (1) was the biggest issue. (1) is a scaling
and load issue. Similar to (4) + (5). And you can only encounter during
those scenarios.
Some of the others you -may- be able to already see in smaller setups with
10 people. Cause those are more logical issues. But others will depend on
having a large audience actually in the room.

I wonder theses days if you could spin up 100+ AWS containers with Ubuntu
desktop doing the testing :) It would be actually potentially easier to
simulate in an automated way using Android tablets. Cause those could be
probably more easily automated using Mobile Device Testing Farms.
But there would be obviously an infrastructure cost to this.

Nevertheless, this has always been the make or break test when it comes for
larger companies or universities in order to use it.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 07:51, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> That sounds like a good initiative Juan. And some classic literature!
>
> I would hope we can find over time some better support in a larger group
> with 100+ people.
>
> @Maxim Solodovnik   Is there a document describing
> how to update https://demo-openmeetings.apache.org/
> <https://demo-openmeetings.apache.org/o> ?
> Maybe we can make that instance available and then start approaching
> somebody that has a larger group of 100+ people ?
> I'm sure if we contact some universities we can find somebody willing to
> help.
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 06:33, Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona <
> jam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I think it's a good idea. I have an openmeetings installation that we
>> could use to do those tests. But I have to count on you. I have prepared a
>> room with a pdf document and a sound file (an .ogg file). The pdf document
>> is the third chapter of Hermann Melville's book 'Moby Dick' and the audio
>> file is read in English.
>>
>> I can send an invitation by email to anyone who confirms that they are
>> interested in attending this presentation. The more we are, the more useful
>> the test will be.
>>
>> I propose next Saturday as the appropriate date and could open the room
>> at the following times, (all GMT) 8:00, 11:00, 16:00 and 19:00. The audio
>> file lasts approximately 35 minutes. I am at GMT + 2 (CET).
>>
>> What do you think about?
>> We can even do a test this afternoon at eight, in about an hour and a
>> half, with users who can attend at that time.
>>
>> Regards.
>> El 14/5/20 a las 1:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>
>> How are we doing in terms of Load Testing ?
>>
>> I don't mind so much feature completeness or 100% replicating what was in
>> 4.x.
>>
>> But I am mindful of the backlash in terms of being production ready if we
>> have issues in scaling up to 100+ concurrent users.
>>
>> Do we have any positive results/feedback/scenarios on that ?
>> Can we do anything to de-risk this and confirm we are ready for
>> production ?
>>
>> Are there any users on this list that can help us and that can run a low
>> risk scenario with 100+ users in a presentation conference room ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seb
>>

Re: AWS lightsail

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Sry Tom,

but I assume you want to install OpenMeetings into one of the containers
that you provision via AWS Lightsail ?

Thanks,
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 13:15, Tom Luo  wrote:

> Hi, all,
>
> If I use AWS lightsail, after I install openmeeings, do I need to follow
> this instruction?
>
> Installation SSL certificates and Coturn for OpenMeetings 5.0.0-M4 on
> Ubuntu 18.04.pdf
> 
>
> It seems that this instruction is for a server behind a NAT. I think AWS
> lightsail is not behind a NAT, right?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>
>

Re: AWS lightsail

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Might be cheaper or easier to use a low-spec single EC2 instance.
The Free Tier EC2 instance is almost same like the lowest cost Lightsail
instance.

And neither one will be suitable to run an entire OpenMeetings Server
(including Kurento).

It may be also an alternative to use an OpenMeetings Docker image compiled
from:
https://github.com/openmeetings/openmeetings-docker
And then spin that up in AWS.

But again, I'm not sure you are saving much in between all those options.
512MB memory won't be enough.
As well as Laightsail won't provide you with the Linux command line tools
you will need for OpenMeetings.
So you won't be able to use the full functionality of OpenMeetings on such
small spec'ed instances.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 13:55, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Sry Tom,
>
> but I assume you want to install OpenMeetings into one of the containers
> that you provision via AWS Lightsail ?
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
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>
>
> On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 13:15, Tom Luo  wrote:
>
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> If I use AWS lightsail, after I install openmeeings, do I need to follow
>> this instruction?
>>
>> Installation SSL certificates and Coturn for OpenMeetings 5.0.0-M4 on
>> Ubuntu 18.04.pdf
>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27838216/Installation%20SSL%20certificates%20and%20Coturn%20for%20OpenMeetings%205.0.0-M4%20on%20Ubuntu%2018.04.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1587558435000&api=v2>
>>
>> It seems that this instruction is for a server behind a NAT. I think AWS
>> lightsail is not behind a NAT, right?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>

Re: AWS lightsail

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

2GB memory is on the very minimum side of spec.
Even if you just load a big document to the server to convert it and create
a bunch of slides to show on the whiteboard it will exceed limits quickly.
Same with multiple people streaming.

So you won't see this problem yet, but you will soon.

Coturn is a feature required to resolve networking issues. The question is
not related to hardware or not. Its a tool to improve network, and yes,
probably you will need it in order to help certain users to resolve IP and
network addresses. But it depends a bit on if your users are behind
router/firewalls or inside an controlled intranet.

It helps not only on the server side but also on the client side.

Cheers
Seb

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On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 14:10, Tom Luo  wrote:

> Hi, Seb,
>
> Thanks for your reply. I choose a 2GB memory lightsail instance and I
> think it can run openmeetings.
> I am not using any container right now.
> As for the Linux command line tools, I don't know what you mean. I can ssh
> to my lightsail and perform all the commands I want.
> So, I don't feel this is a problem.
> Actually, my question is if I use lightsail, do I need to install Coturn
> mentioned in?
> Installation SSL certificates and Coturn for OpenMeetings 5.0.0-M4 on
> Ubuntu 18.04.pdf
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27838216/Installation%20SSL%20certificates%20and%20Coturn%20for%20OpenMeetings%205.0.0-M4%20on%20Ubuntu%2018.04.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1587558435000&api=v2>
>
> I feel I don't need to install Coturn because I am not running my VPS
> behind a NAT.
> I just want to confirm this point.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:02 PM seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Might be cheaper or easier to use a low-spec single EC2 instance.
>> The Free Tier EC2 instance is almost same like the lowest cost Lightsail
>> instance.
>>
>> And neither one will be suitable to run an entire OpenMeetings Server
>> (including Kurento).
>>
>> It may be also an alternative to use an OpenMeetings Docker image
>> compiled from:
>> https://github.com/openmeetings/openmeetings-docker
>> And then spin that up in AWS.
>>
>> But again, I'm not sure you are saving much in between all those options.
>> 512MB memory won't be enough.
>> As well as Laightsail won't provide you with the Linux command line tools
>> you will need for OpenMeetings.
>> So you won't be able to use the full functionality of OpenMeetings on
>> such small spec'ed instances.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 13:55, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sry Tom,
>>>
>>> but I assume you want to install OpenMeetings into one of the containers
>>> that you provision via AWS Lightsail ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 13:15, Tom Luo  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>
>>>> If I use AWS lightsail, after I install openmeeings, do I need to
>>>> follow this instruction?
>>>>
>>>> Installation SSL certificates and Coturn for OpenMeetings 5.0.0-M4 on
>>>> Ubuntu 18.04.pdf
>>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27838216/Installation%20SSL%20certificates%20and%20Coturn%20for%20OpenMeetings%205.0.0-M4%20on%20Ubuntu%2018.04.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1587558435000&api=v2>
>>>>
>>>> It seems that this instruction is for a server behind a NAT. I think
>>>> AWS lightsail is not behind a NAT, right?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: List of worth-checking log files of OM and related software

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

This one:
2) KMS logs by default at /var/log/kurento-media-server

Thats inside the docker container right?
I think you need to pass in a special variable to make that visible outside
of the docker container.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 04:19, Unix Home Academy 
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 12:57 PM Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Ahmad,
>>
>> On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 16:55, Unix Home Academy <
>> unix.home.acad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was trying to troubleshoot few issues I am having and I had difficulty
>>> identifying what log files to check. I was thinking of having a one-page
>>> guide to list all the log files that might be inspected when
>>> troubleshooting OM/Kurento/Coturn and any other interesting tool that might
>>> be related.
>>>
>>
>> 1) ${OM_HOME}/logs/openmeetings**.log (catalina.out and catalina**.log
>> can be used to check Tomcat level errors as well)
>> 2) KMS logs by default at /var/log/kurento-media-server
>> 3) Coturn logs by default are in /var/log/turn**.log
>>
>
> Thank you. This is very helpful.
>
>
>>
>>> I am now using OM 5.0.0-M4 + Kurento + Coturn + Let's Encrypt SSL
>>> certificates.
>>>
>>> The goal is to deep dive into issues before adding new question to this
>>> list.
>>>
>>> Note: By the way, is there a way to search in the mail list archive
>>> other than manual search?
>>>
>>
>> I'm searching using https://openmeetings.markmail.org/
>> Not sure what do you mean by manual search :(
>>
>
> Sorry, my bad. I was using
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openmeetings-user/ rather than
> https://openmeetings.markmail.org/.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards.
>>> Ahmad | Unix Home Academy
>>> https://www.facebook.com/unix.home/
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>

Users Testing Audio/Video before entering conference room

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi all,

We can see a surge of users reporting: Audio is not working, camera not
working, can't hear or can't talk.

OpenMeetings has a really nice UI to test/record your Mic/Cam, record few
seconds, playback.

But most users don't use it. Cause when they are inside the room, its too
late. They already tried enabling their cam/mic without success. So they
just leave.

In comparable product this check is done *before* you enter the room.

How about we:
 - If the room type is conference or you are a moderator entering the room,
you first will be redirected to "test-screen" - before entering the room
 - the "test-screen" shows the current "Test Audio/Video settings" UI
 - this redirect to the "test-screen" can be disabled via Admin>Config so
current functionality stays as-is for people don't like it
 - users have a checkbox to say "do not ask me again" so they won't see
this, but they can edit those settings
 - this "test-screen" will also be shown if you user the invitationHash,
and the room is of type "conference"
 - there is an option in Admin>Rooms to enable/disable this "test-screen"
so that you can enable/disable it also for other room types. Conference
room is true by default, others are false by default.

What do you think about this?

I think such a "test-screen" or "pre-conference-room" as option has a lot
of potential. Also for other use-cases. So it would be a good option to
add.

This could be a feature for 5.0.1 or later. I could spend some time on this
in another branch.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/

Re: Users Testing Audio/Video before entering conference room

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Honestly nobody sees this gear icon anymore.

Cause for a first time user (which this device check is good for) you have
no idea what to click.

And there is also no hint or anything that this tool will help you diagnose
your device settings issues.

Its first time user screen, so of course other will find it annoying.

"pre-conference-room"? could you elaborate?
=> A splash screen before entering the room. Deliberately outside of the
room, you can't hear/see other users/whiteboard or anything yet.

This is like the most common feature other Video Conf (Skype/Teams
anything) use in order to manage device settings, permissions and also
educate usage of the conference software.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
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On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 14:59, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> BTW
>
> Server checks might be improved as part of this
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2043 JIRA
>
> On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 09:48, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Sebastian,
>>
>> On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 03:23, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We can see a surge of users reporting: Audio is not working, camera not
>>> working, can't hear or can't talk.
>>>
>>> OpenMeetings has a really nice UI to test/record your Mic/Cam, record
>>> few seconds, playback.
>>>
>>> But most users don't use it. Cause when they are inside the room, its
>>> too late. They already tried enabling their cam/mic without success. So
>>> they just leave.
>>>
>>
>> Well, actually it is NOT too late :)
>> there is "gear" icon in the room
>> the same "Audio/Video test/setup" dialog will be displayed
>>
>> But it will solve zero issues due to the most problems are caused by
>> issues with server configuration ...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> In comparable product this check is done *before* you enter the room.
>>>
>>> How about we:
>>>  - If the room type is conference or you are a moderator entering the
>>> room, you first will be redirected to "test-screen" - before entering the
>>> room
>>>
>>
>> I guess you mean "NOT moderator"?
>> Please don't forget our killer feature: "first user in the room is
>> moderator" :)))
>>
>>  - the "test-screen" shows the current "Test Audio/Video settings" UI
>>>
>>
>> please see above :)
>>
>>
>>>  - this redirect to the "test-screen" can be disabled via Admin>Config
>>> so current functionality stays as-is for people don't like it
>>>
>>
>> I guess no one ever see this feature if this one will be turned OFF by
>> default
>>
>>
>>>  - users have a checkbox to say "do not ask me again" so they won't see
>>> this, but they can edit those settings
>>>
>>
>> I do remember OM 2.x (and maybe 3.x) has this checkbox and additional
>> menu item
>>
>>
>>>  - this "test-screen" will also be shown if you user the invitationHash,
>>> and the room is of type "conference"
>>>  - there is an option in Admin>Rooms to enable/disable this
>>> "test-screen" so that you can enable/disable it also for other room types.
>>> Conference room is true by default, others are false by default.
>>>
>>> What do you think about this?
>>>
>>
>> Please see above :)
>> I personally found all these popups too annoying :((
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think such a "test-screen" or "pre-conference-room" as option has a
>>> lot of potential. Also for other use-cases. So it would be a good option to
>>> add.
>>>
>>
>> "pre-conference-room"? could you elaborate?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> This could be a feature for 5.0.1 or later. I could spend some time on
>>> this in another branch.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Users Testing Audio/Video before entering conference room

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

"Take a tour" wizard
=> No I mean interactive. Pretty much exactly like the Test-Setup dialog. I
truely believe this will decrease amount of people asking for help.

With the release of 5.0.0 a large new number of users will be interested:
It will be probably the first time they are using Webcam + Microphone in a
browser.

Does our Stand-Alone Test network application still work for HTML5/webRTC ?
I think there was a Jira for adding some network testing to it.

If I would add Audio/Video testing capabilities to it, that could also
solve this problem.

So if people have problems with audio/video network, we can redirect them
to this tool and they can verify in it.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Seb

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On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 03:58, Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona 
wrote:

> Hello Rohit.
>
> In a presentation room, users have to request permission to use their
> camera and microphone, so the moderator receives a notification in the
> 'Activities and actions' tab and the moderator may or may not grant such
> permission. If the moderator does not grant permission then the user cannot
> activate their camera and microphone. That's by design.
>
>
> El 20/5/20 a las 13:19, Rohit Dhamal escribió:
>
> Even I have same issues. I am not behind any server. I directly login to
> mydomain:5443/openmeetings
> I can talk and people can see me but they cannot activate their camera and
> mic. This causes problems using the presentation room as a class room. I
> have set everything as per the installation guide given on cwiki and I use
> om5m4 snapshot live iso.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 1:53, seba.wag...@gmail.com
>   wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We can see a surge of users reporting: Audio is not working, camera not
> working, can't hear or can't talk.
>
> OpenMeetings has a really nice UI to test/record your Mic/Cam, record few
> seconds, playback.
>
> But most users don't use it. Cause when they are inside the room, its too
> late. They already tried enabling their cam/mic without success. So they
> just leave.
>
> In comparable product this check is done *before* you enter the room.
>
> How about we:
>  - If the room type is conference or you are a moderator entering the
> room, you first will be redirected to "test-screen" - before entering the
> room
>  - the "test-screen" shows the current "Test Audio/Video settings" UI
>  - this redirect to the "test-screen" can be disabled via Admin>Config so
> current functionality stays as-is for people don't like it
>  - users have a checkbox to say "do not ask me again" so they won't see
> this, but they can edit those settings
>  - this "test-screen" will also be shown if you user the invitationHash,
> and the room is of type "conference"
>  - there is an option in Admin>Rooms to enable/disable this "test-screen"
> so that you can enable/disable it also for other room types. Conference
> room is true by default, others are false by default.
>
> What do you think about this?
>
> I think such a "test-screen" or "pre-conference-room" as option has a lot
> of potential. Also for other use-cases. So it would be a good option to
> add.
>
> This could be a feature for 5.0.1 or later. I could spend some time on
> this in another branch.
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
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>
>

Re: Users Testing Audio/Video before entering conference room

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Just historically: The report "I can't see, hear, talk, speak" I don't know
how many times, variations, flavours or circumstances of this email
report/complain I have answered before :)
I'm not intending to do it again :)

Cheers
Seb

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On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 08:23, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> "Take a tour" wizard
> => No I mean interactive. Pretty much exactly like the Test-Setup dialog.
> I truely believe this will decrease amount of people asking for help.
>
> With the release of 5.0.0 a large new number of users will be interested:
> It will be probably the first time they are using Webcam + Microphone in a
> browser.
>
> Does our Stand-Alone Test network application still work for HTML5/webRTC ?
> I think there was a Jira for adding some network testing to it.
>
> If I would add Audio/Video testing capabilities to it, that could also
> solve this problem.
>
> So if people have problems with audio/video network, we can redirect them
> to this tool and they can verify in it.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 03:58, Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona <
> jam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Rohit.
>>
>> In a presentation room, users have to request permission to use their
>> camera and microphone, so the moderator receives a notification in the
>> 'Activities and actions' tab and the moderator may or may not grant such
>> permission. If the moderator does not grant permission then the user cannot
>> activate their camera and microphone. That's by design.
>>
>>
>> El 20/5/20 a las 13:19, Rohit Dhamal escribió:
>>
>> Even I have same issues. I am not behind any server. I directly login to
>> mydomain:5443/openmeetings
>> I can talk and people can see me but they cannot activate their camera
>> and mic. This causes problems using the presentation room as a class room.
>> I have set everything as per the installation guide given on cwiki and I
>> use om5m4 snapshot live iso.
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>> On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 1:53, seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>   wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We can see a surge of users reporting: Audio is not working, camera not
>> working, can't hear or can't talk.
>>
>> OpenMeetings has a really nice UI to test/record your Mic/Cam, record few
>> seconds, playback.
>>
>> But most users don't use it. Cause when they are inside the room, its too
>> late. They already tried enabling their cam/mic without success. So they
>> just leave.
>>
>> In comparable product this check is done *before* you enter the room.
>>
>> How about we:
>>  - If the room type is conference or you are a moderator entering the
>> room, you first will be redirected to "test-screen" - before entering the
>> room
>>  - the "test-screen" shows the current "Test Audio/Video settings" UI
>>  - this redirect to the "test-screen" can be disabled via Admin>Config so
>> current functionality stays as-is for people don't like it
>>  - users have a checkbox to say "do not ask me again" so they won't see
>> this, but they can edit those settings
>>  - this "test-screen" will also be shown if you user the invitationHash,
>> and the room is of type "conference"
>>  - there is an option in Admin>Rooms to enable/disable this "test-screen"
>> so that you can enable/disable it also for other room types. Conference
>> room is true by default, others are false by default.
>>
>> What do you think about this?
>>
>> I think such a "test-screen" or "pre-conference-room" as option has a lot
>> of potential. Also for other use-cases. So it would be a good option to
>> add.
>>
>> This could be a feature for 5.0.1 or later. I could spend some time on
>> this in another branch.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
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>>
>>

Re: resize SCREEN (disconnect and connect)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I don't quite understand what you mean with "resize his screen".

You mean the whiteboard resize or actual screen sharing ?

Can you attach a screenshot ?

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 07:17, Chamberland, Martin <
martin.chamberl...@fadq.qc.ca> wrote:

>
> It’s probably not really a bug, but let me  try to explain.
>
>
>
> When someone enter a room, you have to resize his screen to fit your need
> (do that for everyone).
>
> The problem start, when someone in the meeting have a poor connection,  he
> will be disconnected and reconnected automaticly, but you have to “again”
> and “again”…. Resize his screen.
>
> That is pretty annoying.
>
>
>
> Can we disable something, to get rid of this behavior.
>
>
>
> I hope I’m enough clear in my explanation
>

Re: Error while connecting thru gmail account

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

It looks like your user/password credentials are wrong.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 00:57, Vigyanlabs  wrote:

> Dear Team,
>
>
>
> Please find as below the error message after configuring Gmail account in
> OpenMeetings..
>
>
>
> If you have problems with the link, please copy and paste this to your
> browser:
>
>
> http://203.129.243.201:5080/openmeetings/hash?invitation=c7e8b2f0-7c0f-44d4-b893-5e17fa419182&language=1
>
> Inserted23-May-2020, 5:24:34 PMUpdated23-May-2020, 5:29:42 PMError
> Count5Last Errorjavax.mail.AuthenticationFailedException: 535-5.7.8
> Username and Password not accepted. Learn more at
>
> 535 5.7.8  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BadCredentials
> w19sm8936038pfq.43 - gsmtp
>
>
>
> at
> com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport$Authenticator.authenticate(SMTPTransport.java:965)
>
> at
> com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.authenticate(SMTPTransport.java:876)
>
> at
> com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.protocolConnect(SMTPTransport.java:780)
>
> at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:388)
>
> at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:246)
>
> at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:195)
>
> at javax.mail.Transport.send0(Transport.java:254)
>
> at javax.mail.Transport.send(Transport.java:124)
>
> at
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.mail.MailHandler.lambda$send$0(MailHandler.java:251)
>
> at
> java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1128)
>
> at
> java.base/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:628)
>
> at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:834)
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>

Re: camera and microphone are not working

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I'm using Mac. With Chrome/Firefox/Safari

The only known issue for me is no audio input on Safari.

You can playback videos in Safari fine. But microphone input on Safari
seems broken. It doesn't attach it to the stream. Although the OS and
permissions are fine.

So if you are using Safari, you may want to try Chrome.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 03:00, Peter-Otto Weber  wrote:

> Hello Maxim,
>
>
>
> nice to meet u again…
>
>
>
> i contacted the customer and pleased him to test with a different browser.
>
>
>
> Currently i do not know which one he used. Guess Safari as this should be
> the primary Browser for Mac’s
>
>
>
> Will provide feedback if i have it.
>
>
>
> Best wishes to u
>
>
>
> POW
>
>
>
> *Von:* Maxim Solodovnik 
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 26. Mai 2020 16:41
> *An:* Openmeetings user-list 
> *Betreff:* Re: camera and microphone are not working
>
>
>
> Hello POW,
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 21:36, Peter-Otto Weber 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> i just tested with a customer using a brand new Mac Book 2020.
>
>
>
> Video worked perfect but no audio, allthough he told me, that he gave the
> permissions? (Must believe him …)
>
>
>
> I wonder how to solve this issue?
>
>
>
> sounds like https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2277
>
> I can take a look as soon as I (physically) get to work
>
> We do have couple iMacs (pretty much old and outdated) IF it is
> reproducible on one of them ...
>
>
>
> I doubt I can do anything without being able to reproduce this :(
>
>
>
>
>
> As i do not earn enough money to buy a Mac Book (and if i would i’d not
> buy a Mac Book anyway 😉  ) i can not test this.
>
>
>
> same here :(
>
>
>
>
>
> Any help with this issue? How can i try to fix this problem?
>
>
>
> He tested with FaceTime and zoom and there’s video and audio in both of
> them.
>
>
>
> Thx
>
> POW
>
>
>
> *Von:* Tom Luo 
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 15. Mai 2020 06:37
> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
> *Betreff:* Re: camera and microphone are not working
>
>
>
> microphone seems working now, but camera still doesn't work.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 12:11 AM Tom Luo  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I use Chrome, but when I click the camera icon in the conference room.
> It says "NotAllowedError: Permission denied by system".
>
> It is the same for the microphone icon.
>
> How could I solve this problem?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Downloads files from whiteboard

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi There!

This is a know issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2358

We've been discussing addressing this. But unfortunate didn't get to it yet.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 20:56, kaffeesurrogat 
wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> long time no see ;-) Right now I'm now I'm using openmeetings on a daily
> basis. Always with two participants in a room, so this is still on small
> scale, but I'm really happy about it ;-) Some things fail, a restart is
> necessary, a mac had trouble sharing a screen or turning on the mix ...
> but hey ... ;-) Hard to say more, cause i don't want or can't  bother my
> participants with debugging :-)
>
> One more problem: I've added a pdf to the whiteboard added some notes
> and would love to download it as an pdf including the notes.
> I choose ACTIONS -> DOWNLOAD AS PDF and . the connection is lost.
>
> catalina.out
>
> Exception in thread "Thread-3023" java.lang.IllegalStateException: The
> connection is closed.
> at
> org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> .javax.JavaxWebSocketConnection.checkClosed(JavaxWebSocketConnection.java:100)
> at
> org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> .javax.JavaxWebSocketConnection.sendMessage(JavaxWebSocketConnection.java:79)
> at
>
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.util.WebSocketHelper.doSend(WebSocketHelper.java:216)
> at
>
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.util.WebSocketHelper.lambda$sendAll$8(WebSocketHelper.java:182)
> at
>
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.util.WebSocketHelper.lambda$sendAll$9(WebSocketHelper.java:195)
> at
> org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> .WebSocketSettings$SameThreadExecutor.run(WebSocketSettings.java:393)
> at
>
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.util.WebSocketHelper.lambda$sendAll$10(WebSocketHelper.java:195)
> at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:834)
>
>
> I'm using
>
> Version
> 5.0.0-M5-SNAPSHOT
> Revision
> 5300fde
> Build date
> 2020-04-27T18:48:36Z
>
> on ubuntu 18.04 LTS 
>
> You need more information ?
>
> Many thanks again,
>
> kaffeesurrogat
>
>

Re: OM 5 - Android Tablet

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Shall we disable sharing screen from Android/Mobile browser for the time
being?

Sharing your screen does more make sense in a Desktop Environments too. On
a Mobile/Tablet you are not likely to navigate to other apps. Cause in fact
if you put the browser with OpenMeetings into the background, the browser
will disconnect your conference session.

It even currently turns off your screen if you do nothing for a while.
Which can disconnect your session. Which is a problem on its own to prevent
the tablet/mobile to go into sleep mode:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2365

But sharing screen on mobile: I just see little use of it.

You essentially can't navigate away from the current Tab/Application.
Otherwise the browser will stop your audio/video. And if you navigate away
for 30sec++ it will essentially not be able to recover the session. So you
will have to completely refresh the browser tab that runs OpenMeetings.

So I just don't think Sharing screen from Android/iOS will make much sense
in near future.
And as such, recording neither.

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 15:51, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> According to
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MediaDevices/getDisplayMedia#Browser_compatibility
> Screensharing is unavailable on Mobiles 
>
> On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 10:36, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Gerald,
>>
>> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 21:00, Rohrbach, Gerald 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maxim,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OM 5 version is working fine. Also with new Chrome based browser Egde
>>>  it works fine.
>>>
>>> OM 5 Snapshot 5 OBE4245
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have tested with Android tablets, also works fine in general.
>>>
>>> To resize the video windows is a little bit tricky, you need to find the
>>> right position with the finger to resize.
>>>
>>> Maybe you have an idea how to improve this.
>>>
>>
>> The only way I see: increase video pod and make bottom-right angle with
>> resize icon more visible ...
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Screen sharing is not working, NotAllowed: Invaild status.
>>>
>>> If I remember right there is a different technology in use to transfer
>>> the screen.
>>>
>>> Do you think there is an easy way to fix it?
>>>
>>> If you do not have an tablet, what information I should deliver.
>>>
>>
>> Android tablet is sort of single threaded
>> So while you are in OM room you can share browser tab with OM room only
>> (it sounds useless)
>>
>> I would expect browser sharing API shouldn't be available
>> I'll try to reproduce using my Android phone and will report back
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Any Apache OpenMeetings Wiki page is "Service Unavailable"

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Seems fine now

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 02:56, Alvaro  wrote:

> Hello Maxim,
>
> Any Apache OpenMeetings Wiki page is:
>
> Service Unavailable
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/
>
> Maybe Apache is working on it...
>
>
> ..
>

Re: Downloads files from whiteboard

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Maxim will give you a better explanation, but this limit is the WebSocket
max message size.
If you increase it too high you will quickly exceed max memory on your
server when you start scaling up more users.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 00:43, kaffeesurrogat 
wrote:

> as you said i did increase the value to 204857600.  Is that a way to big
> ? Am I risking my server ? What are the conditions for risking some
> troubles ?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> kaffeesurrogat
>
> On 28/05/2020 12:39, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> > You need to increase this value
> >
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/WEB-INF/web.xml#L30
> >
> > ugly solution
> > Don't set too much, might kill your server
> >
> > On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:12, seba.wag...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:seba.wag...@gmail.com>  > <mailto:seba.wag...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi There!
> >
> > This is a know issue:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2358
> >
> > We've been discussing addressing this. But unfortunate didn't get
> > to it yet.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Seb
> >
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > Director Arrakeen Solutions
> > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> ><
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 20:56, kaffeesurrogat
> > mailto:kaffeesurro...@posteo.de>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > long time no see ;-) Right now I'm now I'm using openmeetings
> > on a daily
> > basis. Always with two participants in a room, so this is
> > still on small
> > scale, but I'm really happy about it ;-) Some things fail, a
> > restart is
> > necessary, a mac had trouble sharing a screen or turning on
> > the mix ...
> > but hey ... ;-) Hard to say more, cause i don't want or can't
> > bother my
> > participants with debugging :-)
> >
> > One more problem: I've added a pdf to the whiteboard added
> > some notes
> > and would love to download it as an pdf including the notes.
> > I choose ACTIONS -> DOWNLOAD AS PDF and . the connection
> > is lost.
> >
> > catalina.out
> >
> > Exception in thread "Thread-3023"
> > java.lang.IllegalStateException: The
> > connection is closed.
> > at
> > org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> > <http://org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> >.javax.JavaxWebSocketConnection.checkClosed(JavaxWebSocketConnection.java:100)
> > at
> > org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> > <http://org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> >.javax.JavaxWebSocketConnection.sendMessage(JavaxWebSocketConnection.java:79)
> > at
> >
>  
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.util.WebSocketHelper.doSend(WebSocketHelper.java:216)
> > at
> >
>  
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.util.WebSocketHelper.lambda$sendAll$8(WebSocketHelper.java:182)
> > at
> >
>  
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.util.WebSocketHelper.lambda$sendAll$9(WebSocketHelper.java:195)
> > at
> > org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> > <http://org.apache.wicket.protocol.ws
> >.WebSocketSettings$SameThreadExecutor.run(WebSocketSettings.java:393)
> > at
> >
>  
> org.apache.openmeetings.core.util.WebSocketHelper.lambda$sendAll$10(WebSocketHelper.java:195)
> > at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:834)
> >
> >
> > I'm using
> >
> > Version
> > 5.0.0-M5-SNAPSHOT
> > Revision
> > 5300fde
> > Build date
> > 2020-04-27T18:48:36Z
> >
> > on ubuntu 18.04 LTS 
> >
> > You need more information ?
> >
> > Many thanks again,
> >
> > kaffeesurrogat
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Maxim
>
>

Re: Time to release :)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Up to you. I'm happy to push tickets to a later version.

I'm more concerned about production readiness. Stability, performance and
security.

Something hard to test and do unit tests on. But important to go to
recommend it for production.

Do we have any metrics, any reports on long term running the server at
scale ?

I don't see much right now, so I tend to think we may have done as much as
we can given the circumstances.

Thanks,
Seb



Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 14:58, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I had plans to fix OPENMEETINGS-2402 before release but it seems to take
> too much time already
> I would like to release, then do some fixes, improvements
> Please let me know if you see any show-stoppers
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Time to release :)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I was hoping updating kurento-utils would help. Unfortunate it doesn't seem
so.

There is a page from kurento project around Safari in particular:
https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/6.14.0/knowledge/safari.html

Our particular issue is that you can't publish audio using Safari/iOS.
Which is a bit different from the above errors.

On the other hand there are examples of working code, including Safari, on
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
For example a simple:

   - Choose camera, microphone and speaker
   


=> That example seems to works fine on Safari/iOS for publishing audio

Thanks
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 02:11, Jason  wrote:

> So far the main things I have seen is safari users and  iPad users can’t
> use audio.  iPad no browsers work to get around the audio issue.  It seems
> they changed how to select audio devices.
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Monday, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:58 PM, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I had plans to fix OPENMEETINGS-2402 before release but it seems to take
> too much time already
> I would like to release, then do some fixes, improvements
> Please let me know if you see any show-stoppers
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>
>

Re: Time to release :)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

The audio/video testing tool actually also doesn't work for Safari.
So maybe fixing up that may help before finding out why the overall
conference room doesn't work.

I've created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2412

Thanks,
Seb


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On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 11:08, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I was hoping updating kurento-utils would help. Unfortunate it doesn't
> seem so.
>
> There is a page from kurento project around Safari in particular:
> https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/6.14.0/knowledge/safari.html
>
> Our particular issue is that you can't publish audio using Safari/iOS.
> Which is a bit different from the above errors.
>
> On the other hand there are examples of working code, including Safari, on
> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
> For example a simple:
>
>- Choose camera, microphone and speaker
><https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/>
>
>
> => That example seems to works fine on Safari/iOS for publishing audio
>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 02:11, Jason  wrote:
>
>> So far the main things I have seen is safari users and  iPad users can’t
>> use audio.  iPad no browsers work to get around the audio issue.  It seems
>> they changed how to select audio devices.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:58 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I had plans to fix OPENMEETINGS-2402 before release but it seems to take
>> too much time already
>> I would like to release, then do some fixes, improvements
>> Please let me know if you see any show-stoppers
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Maxim
>>
>>

Re: Time to release :)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

But yeah something is truly odd with Safari.

The same samples from the webRTC samples section:
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/
=> Works in Chrome/iOS
=> Fails in Safari/iOS

It's pretty much the same symptoms as described here:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8510720

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 12:01, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> The audio/video testing tool actually also doesn't work for Safari.
> So maybe fixing up that may help before finding out why the overall
> conference room doesn't work.
>
> I've created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2412
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 11:08, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I was hoping updating kurento-utils would help. Unfortunate it doesn't
>> seem so.
>>
>> There is a page from kurento project around Safari in particular:
>> https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/6.14.0/knowledge/safari.html
>>
>> Our particular issue is that you can't publish audio using Safari/iOS.
>> Which is a bit different from the above errors.
>>
>> On the other hand there are examples of working code, including Safari,
>> on https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>> For example a simple:
>>
>>- Choose camera, microphone and speaker
>><https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/>
>>
>>
>> => That example seems to works fine on Safari/iOS for publishing audio
>>
>> Thanks
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 02:11, Jason  wrote:
>>
>>> So far the main things I have seen is safari users and  iPad users can’t
>>> use audio.  iPad no browsers work to get around the audio issue.  It seems
>>> they changed how to select audio devices.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:58 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I had plans to fix OPENMEETINGS-2402 before release but it seems to take
>>> too much time already
>>> I would like to release, then do some fixes, improvements
>>> Please let me know if you see any show-stoppers
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>>

Re: Time to release :)

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Lets open a new thread, I think there is some value in having a separated
Safari/iOS chat.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 19:14, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> But yeah something is truly odd with Safari.
>
> The same samples from the webRTC samples section:
> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/
> => Works in Chrome/iOS
> => Fails in Safari/iOS
>
> It's pretty much the same symptoms as described here:
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8510720
>
> Cheers
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
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>
>
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 12:01, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The audio/video testing tool actually also doesn't work for Safari.
>> So maybe fixing up that may help before finding out why the overall
>> conference room doesn't work.
>>
>> I've created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2412
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seb
>>
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
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>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 11:08, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was hoping updating kurento-utils would help. Unfortunate it doesn't
>>> seem so.
>>>
>>> There is a page from kurento project around Safari in particular:
>>> https://doc-kurento.readthedocs.io/en/6.14.0/knowledge/safari.html
>>>
>>> Our particular issue is that you can't publish audio using Safari/iOS.
>>> Which is a bit different from the above errors.
>>>
>>> On the other hand there are examples of working code, including Safari,
>>> on https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>>> For example a simple:
>>>
>>>- Choose camera, microphone and speaker
>>><https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/>
>>>
>>>
>>> => That example seems to works fine on Safari/iOS for publishing audio
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 02:11, Jason  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So far the main things I have seen is safari users and  iPad users
>>>> can’t use audio.  iPad no browsers work to get around the audio issue.  It
>>>> seems they changed how to select audio devices.
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:58 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I had plans to fix OPENMEETINGS-2402 before release but it seems to
>>>> take too much time already
>>>> I would like to release, then do some fixes, improvements
>>>> Please let me know if you see any show-stoppers
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Maxim
>>>>
>>>>

Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

As reported in a few email discussions: Safari on iOS does not capture
audio.

We could establish that playback is fine. But capturing audio does not work.

There are currently two tickets we have:
 - OPENMEETINGS-2277 - Fixing the capture of audio on Safari/iOS in
conference room (some other subject but we established that that's the root
cause)
 - OPENMEETINGS-2412 - Fixing the capture of audio on Safari/iOS in setup
testing tool

There are various discussions where some think some code change on our end
would fix it.
I am not sure about that.

There seems to be even the official webRTC samples broken for Safari/iOS:
See for example webRTC samples section:
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/
=> Works in Chrome/iOS
=> Fails in Safari/iOS

I also started a discussion at discuss-webRTC :
https://groups.google.com/g/discuss-webrtc/c/XBeiy3GpVLg/m/kbsCU25IBgAJ

In my opinion: Fixing this issue inside OpenMeetings is rather complex. As
there is a lot of other code. So I would like to see a simple minimal code
example to start with. If that works fine, I'm convinced we can fix it in
OpenMeetings too!

Are there other opinions or ideas on how to approach this ?

If there is no reply or not an answer on discuss-webRTC I would also like
to interview people at Kurento mailing lists.

Thanks,
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I'm using Safari 13 and it doesn't work.
And I think I'm not alone.

Thanks
Seb

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On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Hello Sebastian, All,
>
> I just was able to get real iMac to test
> It has Safari 11 (and I have no rights to update it)
>
> Everything works as expected
>
> I have tested demo-next as-is
>
> My steps were
> 1) on Safari enter restricted room
> 2) start Audio only broadcasting
> Result: green sound bar is jumping
> 3) enter same room Ubuntu 20.04+Chromium latest
> Result: I can hear the audio in the room
>
> I will have access to the iMac for couple more hours, please let me know
> if I should do any additional tests
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 04:32, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> As reported in a few email discussions: Safari on iOS does not capture
>> audio.
>>
>> We could establish that playback is fine. But capturing audio does not
>> work.
>>
>> There are currently two tickets we have:
>>  - OPENMEETINGS-2277 - Fixing the capture of audio on Safari/iOS in
>> conference room (some other subject but we established that that's the
>> root
>> cause)
>>  - OPENMEETINGS-2412 - Fixing the capture of audio on Safari/iOS in setup
>> testing tool
>>
>> There are various discussions where some think some code change on our end
>> would fix it.
>> I am not sure about that.
>>
>> There seems to be even the official webRTC samples broken for Safari/iOS:
>> See for example webRTC samples section:
>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/
>> => Works in Chrome/iOS
>> => Fails in Safari/iOS
>>
>> I also started a discussion at discuss-webRTC :
>> https://groups.google.com/g/discuss-webrtc/c/XBeiy3GpVLg/m/kbsCU25IBgAJ
>>
>> In my opinion: Fixing this issue inside OpenMeetings is rather complex. As
>> there is a lot of other code. So I would like to see a simple minimal code
>> example to start with. If that works fine, I'm convinced we can fix it in
>> OpenMeetings too!
>>
>> Are there other opinions or ideas on how to approach this ?
>>
>> If there is no reply or not an answer on discuss-webRTC I would also like
>> to interview people at Kurento mailing lists.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sebastian
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>> <
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>> >
>> <
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I think in Safari 11 they introduced support for audio/video:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#Safari_11

   - Includes updated media controls for HTML5 video and audio
   - Adds support for new web technologies such as WebRTC
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC>, Media Capture API, Resource
   Timing API, WebAssembly <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAssembly>,
   variable fonts, CSS strokes and more.[63]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#cite_note-63>


But then in Safari 13 there are quite a lot of changes
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-notes/safari-13-release-notes


Hm in terms of releasing, I am not sure, would be good to get a few more
users to confirm on Safari13.
If the issue is really a generic Safari13 limitation or not.

Cheers
Seb

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On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:38, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Well,
>
> I'll try to find newer iMac, but have no idea where ATM :(((
>
> I will be on vacation 1-15 August without any access to internet (maybe
> occasional access to mobile internet)
> I thought to release before my vacation
> Do you think it is possible?
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:35, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm using Safari 13 and it doesn't work.
>> And I think I'm not alone.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Sebastian, All,
>>>
>>> I just was able to get real iMac to test
>>> It has Safari 11 (and I have no rights to update it)
>>>
>>> Everything works as expected
>>>
>>> I have tested demo-next as-is
>>>
>>> My steps were
>>> 1) on Safari enter restricted room
>>> 2) start Audio only broadcasting
>>> Result: green sound bar is jumping
>>> 3) enter same room Ubuntu 20.04+Chromium latest
>>> Result: I can hear the audio in the room
>>>
>>> I will have access to the iMac for couple more hours, please let me know
>>> if I should do any additional tests
>>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 04:32, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As reported in a few email discussions: Safari on iOS does not capture
>>>> audio.
>>>>
>>>> We could establish that playback is fine. But capturing audio does not
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>> There are currently two tickets we have:
>>>>  - OPENMEETINGS-2277 - Fixing the capture of audio on Safari/iOS in
>>>> conference room (some other subject but we established that that's the
>>>> root
>>>> cause)
>>>>  - OPENMEETINGS-2412 - Fixing the capture of audio on Safari/iOS in
>>>> setup
>>>> testing tool
>>>>
>>>> There are various discussions where some think some code change on our
>>>> end
>>>> would fix it.
>>>> I am not sure about that.
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be even the official webRTC samples broken for
>>>> Safari/iOS:
>>>> See for example webRTC samples section:
>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/
>>>> => Works in Chrome/iOS
>>>> => Fails in Safari/iOS
>>>>
>>>> I also started a discussion at discuss-webRTC :
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/discuss-webrtc/c/XBeiy3GpVLg/m/kbsCU25IBgAJ
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion: Fixing this issue inside OpenMeetings is rather complex.
>>>> As
>>>> there is a lot of other code. So I would like to see a simple minimal
>>>> code
>>>> example to start with. If that works fine, I'm convinced we can fix it
>>>> in
>>>> OpenMeetings too!
>>>>
>>>> Are there other opinions or ideas on how to approach this ?
>>>>
>>>> If there is no reply or not an answer on discuss-webRTC I would also
>>>> like
>>>> to interview people at Kurento mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sebastian
>>>>
>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>> <
>>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>>>> >
>>>> <
>>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

No but the generic test application at
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/
 seems to work better now after restarting my Mac.

However the OpenMeetings application setup application seems to not do much
when recording the stream.
And there is no level-meter when audio/mic is enabled.
And there is no sound output on a 2nd device when using Safari13 and
enabling mic on the Safari device. Chrome however works fine.

Thanks
Seb

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On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:45, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> While testing with Safari 11 I noticed some "WebRTC" submenu in "Develop"
> menu
> Do you have it on Safari 13?
> Can you "play" with options?
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:43, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think in Safari 11 they introduced support for audio/video:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#Safari_11
>>
>>- Includes updated media controls for HTML5 video and audio
>>- Adds support for new web technologies such as WebRTC
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC>, Media Capture API, Resource
>>Timing API, WebAssembly <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAssembly>,
>>variable fonts, CSS strokes and more.[63]
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#cite_note-63>
>>
>>
>> But then in Safari 13 there are quite a lot of changes
>>
>> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-notes/safari-13-release-notes
>>
>>
>> Hm in terms of releasing, I am not sure, would be good to get a few more
>> users to confirm on Safari13.
>> If the issue is really a generic Safari13 limitation or not.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>> <
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>> >
>> <
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
>> >
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:38, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Well,
>> >
>> > I'll try to find newer iMac, but have no idea where ATM :(((
>> >
>> > I will be on vacation 1-15 August without any access to internet (maybe
>> > occasional access to mobile internet)
>> > I thought to release before my vacation
>> > Do you think it is possible?
>> >
>> > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:35, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm using Safari 13 and it doesn't work.
>> >> And I think I'm not alone.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Seb
>> >>
>> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>> >>
>> >> <
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>> >
>> >> <
>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Maxim Solodovnik 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hello Sebastian, All,
>> >>>
>> >>> I just was able to get real iMac to test
>> >>> It has Safari 11 (and I have no rights to update it)
>> >>>
>> >>> Everything works as expected
>> >>>
>> >>> I have tested demo-next as-is
>> >>>
>> >>> My steps were
>> >>> 1) on Safari enter restricted room
>> >>> 2) start Audio only broadcasting
>> >>> Result: green sound bar is jumping
>> >>> 3) enter same room Ubuntu 20.04+Chromium latest
>> >>> Result: I can hear the audio in the room
>> >>>
>> >>> I will have access to the iMac for couple more hours, please let me
>> know
>> >>> if I should do any additional tests
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 04:32, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> As reported in a few email discussions: Safari on iOS does not
>> ca

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

If it's just limited to Safari13 then its prob fine.

Will we issue a warning though somehow?

The experience for a brand new user trying it for the first time usually
means they consider the application not ready and they won't try again.

So having some warning saying "Safari13 is currently only beta support" it
would definitely help a lot to manage those users not getting angry!

We could just add a simple warning info text on the login page for example?

Thanks
Seb

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On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 00:11, Alvaro  wrote:

> Yes, release as-is...
>
>
> .
>
>
> El lun, 27-07-2020 a las 13:14 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>
> I was hoping Develop->WebRTC switches can enable sound at Safari 13
> And this might give as some insight of what can be improved
> (not sure if generic test application is useful anyhow)
>
> @All,
> Shall we release as-is or spent additional month+ trying to investigate
> Safari 11 ?
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 13:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> No but the generic test application at
> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/
>  seems to work better now after restarting my Mac.
>
> However the OpenMeetings application setup application seems to not do
> much when recording the stream.
> And there is no level-meter when audio/mic is enabled.
> And there is no sound output on a 2nd device when using Safari13 and
> enabling mic on the Safari device. Chrome however works fine.
>
> Thanks
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:45, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
> While testing with Safari 11 I noticed some "WebRTC" submenu in "Develop"
> menu
> Do you have it on Safari 13?
> Can you "play" with options?
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:43, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I think in Safari 11 they introduced support for audio/video:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#Safari_11
>
>- Includes updated media controls for HTML5 video and audio
>- Adds support for new web technologies such as WebRTC
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC>, Media Capture API, Resource
>Timing API, WebAssembly <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAssembly>,
>variable fonts, CSS strokes and more.[63]
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#cite_note-63>
>
>
> But then in Safari 13 there are quite a lot of changes
>
> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-notes/safari-13-release-notes
>
>
> Hm in terms of releasing, I am not sure, would be good to get a few more
> users to confirm on Safari13.
> If the issue is really a generic Safari13 limitation or not.
>
> Cheers
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:38, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
> > Well,
> >
> > I'll try to find newer iMac, but have no idea where ATM :(((
> >
> > I will be on vacation 1-15 August without any access to internet (maybe
> > occasional access to mobile internet)
> > I thought to release before my vacation
> > Do you think it is possible?
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:35, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm using Safari 13 and it doesn't work.
> >> And I think I'm not alone.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Seb
> >>
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> >>
> >> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> >
> >> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Maxim Solodovnik 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>&

Re: [ANNOUNCE] new build server

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

nice

Continuous improvement of the continuous improvement

like it :)

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 13:07, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Apache INFRA do continuous improvements of build infrastructure
> As a result we have new build server :)))
>
> Nightly builds are already available here
> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/OpenMeetings/job/openmeetings/
>
> PR build is broken right now please monitor this JIRA
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20544 for progress
>
> Old build server will be shutdown in something like 3 weeks
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Could you try also some of the official examples from:
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/

For example:
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
or
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/

You will notice on Chrome you will get an immediate feedback loop (which is
quite annoying :)) But it actually means that it works! It does playback
the sound directly again, and if you are not using a headset, it will lead
to a audio-feedback loop/noise.

On Safari I have limited success with those. But they still seem to work.

Thanks,
Sebastian

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 02:44, Alvaro  wrote:

> ...'ve reloaded the page many times and no changes resultat.
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 16:11 +0200, Alvaro escribió:
>
> Ok, here is my test in:
>
> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings
>
>
>
> *#* OSX *10.11.6* - Safari *11.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>
> When try recording appear a red message:
>
> OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
>
> *#* OSX *10.12.6* - Safari *12.0.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES*
>
> When try recording appear a red message:
>
> OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
>
> *# *OSX *10.13.6* - Safari *12.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES*
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
>
> *# *OSX *10.14.6 * - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
>
> *#* OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
> Well Maxim, if is needed to test in any other way, please tell me,
> but with words that those have not the tecnical knowting, like
> me, can understand.
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 14:41 +0200, Alvaro escribió:
>
> ...am updatimg the OSes OSX.
>
> Sorry to read only the first parte of the url.
>
>
> 
>
> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 18:54 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>
> Hello Alvaro,
>
> Please re-read my message
>
> =
> Hello Safari owners :)
> Could you please visit
> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell me is
> it works as expected in Safari browser (11+)
> Thanks in advance :))
> =
>
> Could you please test this page with all Safari versions starting with 11?
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 18:03, Alvaro  wrote:
>
> OSX  10.15.6  --  Safari 13.1.2  --  Private room  ==>  No green bar
> mic
> In one hour will test other safari versions.
>
> 
>
>
>
> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 08:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
> > Hello Safari owners :)Could you please visit https://om.alteametasoft
> > .com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell me is it works as expected
> > in Safari browser (11+)
> > Thanks in advance :))
> >
> > @Sebastian,
> > It is great idea to add NOTICE for Safari 13, I'm not sure It should
> > be added to OM UI 
> > Adding to UI means we have to add it to 35 languages and maintain ...
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 06:02, seba.wag...@gmail.com  > l.com> wrote:
> > > If it's just limited to Safari13 then its prob fine.
> > > Will we issue a warning though somehow?
> > >
> > > The experience for a brand new user trying it for the first time
> > > usually means they consider the application not ready and they
> > > won't try again.
> > >
> > > So having some warning saying "Safari13 is currently only beta
> > > support" it would definitely help a lot to manage those users not
> > > getting angry!
> > >
> > > We could just add a simple warning info text on the login page for
> > > example?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Seb
> > >
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions
> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 00:11, Alvaro  wrote:
> > > > Yes, release as-is...
> > > >
> > > > .
> > &g

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Oh sure!

I am just interested in - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*

If you test with those additionally on
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/

and check if you get some feedback loop (that means its working!)

@Maxim Solodovnik   from my tests actually my Safari
works fine with some of those webRTC examples. Still very strange how old
Safari versions would work and later ones don't!
I am still not sure if this issue is related to an API change in Safari, or
if there something wrong with how OpenMeetings is using the API (and
Safari13 exposing that in some way).

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:46, Alvaro  wrote:

> Hello Sebastian,
>
> Could you please be a little more explicite?
>
> Each OSX in my iMac it is installed on a phiyical hard drive
> partition, then i must reboot the machine to go from one to
> other OSX, and that is a little heavy.
>
> So, could you say me in wich OSX you want i make the test,
> with what browser and what examples in concret?
>
> There is around 43 examples. 43X6 = 258 test (6 are my OSXes
> in the iMac, is also Yosemite).
>
> Please tell me, and with pleasure i wil make the testing.
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
> El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 09:16 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>
> Could you try also some of the official examples from:
> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>
> For example:
> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
> or
> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/
>
> You will notice on Chrome you will get an immediate feedback loop (which
> is quite annoying :)) But it actually means that it works! It does playback
> the sound directly again, and if you are not using a headset, it will lead
> to a audio-feedback loop/noise.
>
> On Safari I have limited success with those. But they still seem to work.
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 02:44, Alvaro  wrote:
>
> ...'ve reloaded the page many times and no changes resultat.
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 16:11 +0200, Alvaro escribió:
>
> Ok, here is my test in:
>
> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings
>
>
>
> *#* OSX *10.11.6* - Safari *11.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>
> When try recording appear a red message:
>
> OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
>
> *#* OSX *10.12.6* - Safari *12.0.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES*
>
> When try recording appear a red message:
>
> OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
>
> *# *OSX *10.13.6* - Safari *12.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES*
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
>
> *# *OSX *10.14.6 * - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
>
> *#* OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>
> Can't record (play)
>
> ===
>
> Well Maxim, if is needed to test in any other way, please tell me,
> but with words that those have not the tecnical knowting, like
> me, can understand.
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 14:41 +0200, Alvaro escribió:
>
> ...am updatimg the OSes OSX.
>
> Sorry to read only the first parte of the url.
>
>
> 
>
> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 18:54 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>
> Hello Alvaro,
>
> Please re-read my message
>
> =
> Hello Safari owners :)
> Could you please visit
> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell me is
> it works as expected in Safari browser (11+)
> Thanks in advance :))
> =
>
> Could you please test this page with all Safari versions starting with 11?
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 18:03, Alvaro  wrote:
>
> OSX  10.15.6  --  Safari 13.1.2  --  Private room  ==>  No green bar
> mic
> In one hour will test other safari versions

Re: Storing RECORDINGS Location Change

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Sangeeta,

there is currently no native AWS/S3 Integration for files and recordings in
OpenMeetings.
Would require some plugin or work.

Your best choice right might be to mount a EBS volume.

Alternatively there might be ways to trick it also in mounting S3 as a file
system and https://github.com/s3fs-fuse/s3fs-fuse

Not sure if the advanced recording file operations and integration with
Kurento would work with s3fs as filesystem though.

Thanks,
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 at 07:31, Sangeeta Verma  wrote:

> Hi All,
> How do I change the location of the recordings. I would like to change it
> to another server in the cloud. For example I want to store in AMAZON S3.
> Will storing in S3 work? If so how?
>
> Thank you so much for help and happy weekend.
>
> Stay safe please.
>
> Regards,
> Sangeeta
>

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

There doesn't seem to be much replies on the webRTC forums.

My only ideas are around usage of the MediaStreamConstraints and some
special Safari settings that need to be considered:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MediaStreamConstraints/audio

But there is very little in terms of finding out what
capabilities/MediaStreamConstraints Safari13 would support.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 02:54, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Not sure if I can help :(
> I only have access to iMac which works as expected (can't fix something I
> can't reproduce :(( )
>
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:28, Alvaro  wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok, these are the result
>>
>>
>> In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>>
>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *YES*
>>
>> # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *NO*
>>
>> *===*
>>
>> In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/
>>
>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound super sensitive
>>
>> # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound no sensitive and
>> dry
>>
>> ...something more? ...Avanti!
>>
>>
>> ..
>>
>>
>>
>> El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 18:51 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>
>> Oh sure!
>>
>> I am just interested in - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>>
>> If you test with those additionally on
>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>>
>> and check if you get some feedback loop (that means its working!)
>>
>> @Maxim Solodovnik   from my tests actually my
>> Safari works fine with some of those webRTC examples. Still very strange
>> how old Safari versions would work and later ones don't!
>> I am still not sure if this issue is related to an API change in Safari,
>> or if there something wrong with how OpenMeetings is using the API (and
>> Safari13 exposing that in some way).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:46, Alvaro  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Sebastian,
>>
>> Could you please be a little more explicite?
>>
>> Each OSX in my iMac it is installed on a phiyical hard drive
>> partition, then i must reboot the machine to go from one to
>> other OSX, and that is a little heavy.
>>
>> So, could you say me in wich OSX you want i make the test,
>> with what browser and what examples in concret?
>>
>> There is around 43 examples. 43X6 = 258 test (6 are my OSXes
>> in the iMac, is also Yosemite).
>>
>> Please tell me, and with pleasure i wil make the testing.
>>
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 09:16 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>
>> Could you try also some of the official examples from:
>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>>
>> For example:
>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>> or
>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/
>>
>> You will notice on Chrome you will get an immediate feedback loop (which
>> is quite annoying :)) But it actually means that it works! It does playback
>> the sound directly again, and if you are not using a headset, it will lead
>> to a audio-feedback loop/noise.
>>
>> On Safari I have limited success with those. But they still seem to work.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sebastian
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 02:44, Alvaro  wrote:
>>
>> ...'ve reloaded the page many times and no changes resultat.
>>
>>
>> ...

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

The webRTC issue is also manifesting in the official webRTC reference code
examples at:
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/

I do think other products will have the same issue on Safari13. But I would
be worth validating.

Somebody from Apple got in touch with me, and suggested that I submit a
ticket to bugs.webkit.org and attach sysdiagnose.

So I may try that and see if that gives some results.

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 18:00, Jason  wrote:

> I do see a few other video conferring products that have an app as well as
> web based that are working on the iPad for the mic issue.  They are open
> source so we could look and see what they did to resolve the issue.
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 08, 2020 at 12:11 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There doesn't seem to be much replies on the webRTC forums.
>
> My only ideas are around usage of the MediaStreamConstraints and some
> special Safari settings that need to be considered:
>
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MediaStreamConstraints/audio
>
> But there is very little in terms of finding out what
> capabilities/MediaStreamConstraints Safari13 would support.
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>
>
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 02:54, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure if I can help :(
>> I only have access to iMac which works as expected (can't fix something I
>> can't reproduce :(( )
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:28, Alvaro  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ok, these are the result
>>>
>>>
>>> In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *YES*
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *NO*
>>>
>>> *===*
>>>
>>> In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound super sensitive
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound no sensitive
>>> and dry
>>>
>>> ...something more? ...Avanti!
>>>
>>>
>>> ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 18:51 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>>
>>> Oh sure!
>>>
>>> I am just interested in - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO*
>>>
>>> If you test with those additionally on
>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>>>
>>> and check if you get some feedback loop (that means its working!)
>>>
>>> @Maxim Solodovnik   from my tests actually my
>>> Safari works fine with some of those webRTC examples. Still very strange
>>> how old Safari versions would work and later ones don't!
>>> I am still not sure if this issue is related to an API change in Safari,
>>> or if there something wrong with how OpenMeetings is using the API (and
>>> Safari13 exposing that in some way).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:46, Alvaro  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Sebastian,
>>>
>>> Could you please be a little more explicite?
>>>
>>> Each OSX in my iMac it is installed on a phiyical hard drive
>>> partition, then i must reboot the machine to go from one to
>>> other OSX, and that is a little heavy.
>>>
>>> So, could you say me in wich OSX you want i make the test,
>>> with what browser and what examples in concret?
>>>
>>> There is around 43 examples. 43X6 = 258 test (6 are my OSXes
>>> in the iMac, is also Yosemite).
&g

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

I was supposed to create a bug in the Apple bug at  bugs.webkit.org.

And Apple were also asking me to:
 - Try iOS 14 beta.
 - Attach a sysdiagnose from the Mac to the bug report

Cheers
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 15:47, Jason  wrote:

> Sure I can put music on
>
>
>
> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik 
> wrote:
> Hello Jason,
>
> Thanks, that would be awesome :)
> Does remote control for Mac allows to hear the sound? (overwise I can't
> test it ...)
>
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 22:18, Jason  wrote:
>
>> I can give you remote access to a Mac to test.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:48 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'll try to ask if any of my friends owns Mac with latest Safari
>> maybe I can borrow Mac to debug ...
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 14:04,  wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing todo.
>>> I was just updating on what I found out.
>>>
>>> So far the status is: confirming if issue is with Apple or not.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 12/08/2020, at 6:48 PM, Alvaro  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hello Sebastian, i don't understand the means of your message.
>>>
>>> If i can do something, please tell me clear what...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> El lun, 10-08-2020 a las 15:18 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>>
>>> The webRTC issue is also manifesting in the official webRTC reference
>>> code examples at:
>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>>>
>>> I do think other products will have the same issue on Safari13. But I
>>> would be worth validating.
>>>
>>> Somebody from Apple got in touch with me, and suggested that I submit a
>>> ticket to bugs.webkit.org and attach sysdiagnose.
>>>
>>> So I may try that and see if that gives some results.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 18:00, Jason  wrote:
>>>
>>> I do see a few other video conferring products that have an app as well
>>> as web based that are working on the iPad for the mic issue.  They are open
>>> source so we could look and see what they did to resolve the issue.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, Aug 08, 2020 at 12:11 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There doesn't seem to be much replies on the webRTC forums.
>>>
>>> My only ideas are around usage of the MediaStreamConstraints and some
>>> special Safari settings that need to be considered:
>>>
>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MediaStreamConstraints/audio
>>>
>>> But there is very little in terms of finding out what
>>> capabilities/MediaStreamConstraints Safari13 would support.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Seb
>>>
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 02:54, Maxim Solodovnik 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if I can help :(
>>> I only have access to iMac which works as expected (can't fix something
>>> I can't reproduce :(( )
>>>
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:28, Alvaro  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, these are the result
>>>
>>>
>>> In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/
>>>
>>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *YES*
>>>
>&

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Are you using the official webRTC samples or OpenMeetings ?
Or both ? :)

I think in order to submit a bug to Apple/webkit its best to point towards
the official webRTC reference examples at:
https://webrtc.github.io/samples/

Thanks,
Seb

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
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On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 09:22, Jason  wrote:

> I have the same issue on iOS 14 beta.  I have tried on iPhone and iPad.
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 4:20 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was supposed to create a bug in the Apple bug at  bugs.webkit.org.
>
> And Apple were also asking me to:
>  - Try iOS 14 beta.
>  - Attach a sysdiagnose from the Mac to the bug report
>
> Cheers
> Seb
>
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>
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 15:47, Jason  wrote:
>
>> Sure I can put music on
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Jason,
>>
>> Thanks, that would be awesome :)
>> Does remote control for Mac allows to hear the sound? (overwise I can't
>> test it ...)
>>
>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 22:18, Jason  wrote:
>>
>>> I can give you remote access to a Mac to test.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:48 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'll try to ask if any of my friends owns Mac with latest Safari
>>> maybe I can borrow Mac to debug ...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 14:04,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nothing todo.
>>>> I was just updating on what I found out.
>>>>
>>>> So far the status is: confirming if issue is with Apple or not.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Seb
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 12/08/2020, at 6:48 PM, Alvaro  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Sebastian, i don't understand the means of your message.
>>>>
>>>> If i can do something, please tell me clear what...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El lun, 10-08-2020 a las 15:18 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>>>
>>>> The webRTC issue is also manifesting in the official webRTC reference
>>>> code examples at:
>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>>>>
>>>> I do think other products will have the same issue on Safari13. But I
>>>> would be worth validating.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody from Apple got in touch with me, and suggested that I submit a
>>>> ticket to bugs.webkit.org and attach sysdiagnose.
>>>>
>>>> So I may try that and see if that gives some results.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Seb
>>>>
>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 18:00, Jason  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I do see a few other video conferring products that have an app as well
>>>> as web based that are working on the iPad for the mic issue.  They are open
>>>> source so we could look and see what they did to resolve the issue.
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, Aug 08, 2020 at 12:11 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There doesn't seem to be much replies on the webRTC forums.
>>>>
>>>> My only ideas are around usage of the MediaStreamConstraints and some
>>>> special Safari settings that need to be considered:
>>>>
>>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/e

Re: [DISCUSSION] next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

It seems well established that the Safari issue is a webkit/Apple bug. Not
OpenMeetings code issue.

So I don't see why waiting for our release would fix anything. There is
nothing wrong with the OpenMeetings code.

So I would think, maybe adding a note/link to the webkit bug ticket or
something, but we could release OpenMeetings 5.0.0

Thanks
Seb

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On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 06:09, Alvaro  wrote:

> Right now i've finished to test OM 5.0.0 - 3255.
>
> Please, ahead with the new release. It is really great.
>
>
> ..
>
>
>
> El sáb, 15-08-2020 a las 09:35 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>
> Hello All,
>
> what is the current status?
> shall I start the release process?
>
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 20:10, kaffeesurrogat 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Juan,
>
> did this happen ?  What were the results ? Just curious
>
> Have fun,
>
> kaffeesurrogat
>
> On 14/05/2020 20:33, Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona wrote:
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I think it's a good idea. I have an openmeetings installation that we
> > could use to do those tests. But I have to count on you. I have
> > prepared a room with a pdf document and a sound file (an .ogg file).
> > The pdf document is the third chapter of Hermann Melville's book 'Moby
> > Dick' and the audio file is read in English.
> >
> > I can send an invitation by email to anyone who confirms that they are
> > interested in attending this presentation. The more we are, the more
> > useful the test will be.
> >
> > I propose next Saturday as the appropriate date and could open the
> > room at the following times, (all GMT) 8:00, 11:00, 16:00 and 19:00.
> > The audio file lasts approximately 35 minutes. I am at GMT + 2 (CET).
> >
> > What do you think about?
> > We can even do a test this afternoon at eight, in about an hour and a
> > half, with users who can attend at that time.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > El 14/5/20 a las 1:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
> >> How are we doing in terms of Load Testing ?
> >>
> >> I don't mind so much feature completeness or 100% replicating what
> >> was in 4.x.
> >>
> >> But I am mindful of the backlash in terms of being production ready
> >> if we have issues in scaling up to 100+ concurrent users.
> >>
> >> Do we have any positive results/feedback/scenarios on that ?
> >> Can we do anything to de-risk this and confirm we are ready for
> >> production ?
> >>
> >> Are there any users on this list that can help us and that can run a
> >> low risk scenario with 100+ users in a presentation conference room ?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Seb
> >>
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions
> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> >> <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
> ><
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 08:55, K. Kamhamea  >> <mailto:kamha...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Please can someone explain?
> >> I understand that SIP has something to do with IP telephones, but
> >> what does that mean to OM functionality?
> >> Best K.
> >>
> >> Am Mi., 13. Mai 2020 um 18:15 Uhr schrieb R. Scholz
> >>  >> <mailto:rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de>>:
> >>
> >> Hello Maxim,
> >>
> >> at this moment two things are important for me:
> >> - calling a room directly with room-name
> >> - SIP-support
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 13.05.2020 um 17:59 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 22:55, Rohrbach, Gerald
> >>>  >>> <mailto:g.rohrb...@funkegruppe.de>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Maxim,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> cool, you are coming forward…
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>&

Re: [DISCUSSION] next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Looks good

Cheers
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 at 18:34, Maxim Solodovnik  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I'm ready to start release process
> Could someone check
> https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/README.md#500
> Shall some other fixed be mentioned in README/main page ?
>
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 05:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It seems well established that the Safari issue is a webkit/Apple bug.
>> Not OpenMeetings code issue.
>>
>> So I don't see why waiting for our release would fix anything. There is
>> nothing wrong with the OpenMeetings code.
>>
>> So I would think, maybe adding a note/link to the webkit bug ticket or
>> something, but we could release OpenMeetings 5.0.0
>>
>> Thanks
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 06:09, Alvaro  wrote:
>>
>>> Right now i've finished to test OM 5.0.0 - 3255.
>>>
>>> Please, ahead with the new release. It is really great.
>>>
>>>
>>> ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El sáb, 15-08-2020 a las 09:35 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> what is the current status?
>>> shall I start the release process?
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 20:10, kaffeesurrogat 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Juan,
>>>
>>> did this happen ?  What were the results ? Just curious
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>>
>>> kaffeesurrogat
>>>
>>> On 14/05/2020 20:33, Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi all.
>>> >
>>> > I think it's a good idea. I have an openmeetings installation that we
>>> > could use to do those tests. But I have to count on you. I have
>>> > prepared a room with a pdf document and a sound file (an .ogg file).
>>> > The pdf document is the third chapter of Hermann Melville's book 'Moby
>>> > Dick' and the audio file is read in English.
>>> >
>>> > I can send an invitation by email to anyone who confirms that they are
>>> > interested in attending this presentation. The more we are, the more
>>> > useful the test will be.
>>> >
>>> > I propose next Saturday as the appropriate date and could open the
>>> > room at the following times, (all GMT) 8:00, 11:00, 16:00 and 19:00.
>>> > The audio file lasts approximately 35 minutes. I am at GMT + 2 (CET).
>>> >
>>> > What do you think about?
>>> > We can even do a test this afternoon at eight, in about an hour and a
>>> > half, with users who can attend at that time.
>>> >
>>> > Regards.
>>> >
>>> > El 14/5/20 a las 1:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>> >> How are we doing in terms of Load Testing ?
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't mind so much feature completeness or 100% replicating what
>>> >> was in 4.x.
>>> >>
>>> >> But I am mindful of the backlash in terms of being production ready
>>> >> if we have issues in scaling up to 100+ concurrent users.
>>> >>
>>> >> Do we have any positive results/feedback/scenarios on that ?
>>> >> Can we do anything to de-risk this and confirm we are ready for
>>> >> production ?
>>> >>
>>> >> Are there any users on this list that can help us and that can run a
>>> >> low risk scenario with 100+ users in a presentation conference room ?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Seb
>>> >>
>>> >> Sebastian Wagner
>>> >> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>> >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>> >> <
>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url
>>> ><
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Re: [DISCUSSION] next release

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

There is a vote open right now, Apache Foundation recommends to have the
vote open for some time for community members to respond.

There is some docs on how voting and agreeing works in Apache projects at:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

Cheers
Seb

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 06:51, ratatouille  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> When will it be released?
>
>   Andreas
>
> Maxim Solodovnik  schrieb am 17.08.20 um 13:34:20
> Uhr:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I'm ready to start release process
> > Could someone check
> > https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/README.md#500
> > Shall some other fixed be mentioned in README/main page ?
> >
> > On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 05:22, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It seems well established that the Safari issue is a webkit/Apple bug.
> Not
> > > OpenMeetings code issue.
> > >
> > > So I don't see why waiting for our release would fix anything. There is
> > > nothing wrong with the OpenMeetings code.
> > >
> > > So I would think, maybe adding a note/link to the webkit bug ticket or
> > > something, but we could release OpenMeetings 5.0.0
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Seb
> > >
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions
> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
> > >
> > > <
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> >
> > > <
> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 06:09, Alvaro  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Right now i've finished to test OM 5.0.0 - 3255.
> > >>
> > >> Please, ahead with the new release. It is really great.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> El sáb, 15-08-2020 a las 09:35 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió:
> > >>
> > >> Hello All,
> > >>
> > >> what is the current status?
> > >> shall I start the release process?
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 20:10, kaffeesurrogat  >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Juan,
> > >>
> > >> did this happen ?  What were the results ? Just curious
> > >>
> > >> Have fun,
> > >>
> > >> kaffeesurrogat
> > >>
> > >> On 14/05/2020 20:33, Juan Antonio Moreno Carmona wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi all.
> > >> >
> > >> > I think it's a good idea. I have an openmeetings installation that
> we
> > >> > could use to do those tests. But I have to count on you. I have
> > >> > prepared a room with a pdf document and a sound file (an .ogg file).
> > >> > The pdf document is the third chapter of Hermann Melville's book
> 'Moby
> > >> > Dick' and the audio file is read in English.
> > >> >
> > >> > I can send an invitation by email to anyone who confirms that they
> are
> > >> > interested in attending this presentation. The more we are, the more
> > >> > useful the test will be.
> > >> >
> > >> > I propose next Saturday as the appropriate date and could open the
> > >> > room at the following times, (all GMT) 8:00, 11:00, 16:00 and 19:00.
> > >> > The audio file lasts approximately 35 minutes. I am at GMT + 2
> (CET).
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you think about?
> > >> > We can even do a test this afternoon at eight, in about an hour and
> a
> > >> > half, with users who can attend at that time.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards.
> > >> >
> > >> > El 14/5/20 a las 1:03, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
> > >> >> How are we doing in terms of Load Testing ?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I don't mind so much feature completeness or 100% replicating what
> > >> >> was in 4.x.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> But I am mindful of the backlash in terms of being 

Re: V5.0: Recording convert error

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Andy,

Your error:
/opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/2/rec_5_710a90ec-cc64-41ed-976c-11cd83830019.webm:
No such file or directory

=> Most likely your Kurento Server has not been started with the relevant
data directory to store the files in the right location when recording the
stream.

Thanks
Seb

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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 20:53, Xiaxuan  wrote:

> *The new release 5.0 recording convert error:*
>
> process: generate MP4
> command: ffmpeg -y -itsoffset 00:00:01.000 -i
> /opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/2/rec_5_710a90ec-cc64-41ed-976c-11cd83830019.webm
> -i
> /opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/2/rec_5_710a90ec-cc64-41ed-976c-11cd83830019_FINAL_WAVE.wav
> -c:v h264 -crf 24 -vsync 0 -pix_fmt yuv420p -vf
> pad=ceil(iw/2)*2:ceil(ih/2)*2 -preset medium -profile:v baseline -level 3.0
> -movflags faststart -c:a aac -ar 22050 -b:a 32k
> /opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/hibernate/c46eb685-03b5-4090-8614-4004ac3248cb.mp4
> exception: null error: ffmpeg version 4.3.1 Copyright (c) 2000-2020 the
> FFmpeg developers built with gcc 4.8.5 (GCC) 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)
> configuration: --prefix=/root/ffmpeg_build --pkg-config-flags=--static
> --extra-cflags=-I/root/ffmpeg_build/include
> --extra-ldflags=-L/root/ffmpeg_build/lib --extra-libs=-lpthread
> --extra-libs=-lm --bindir=/root/bin --enable-gpl --enable-libfdk_aac
> --enable-libfreetype --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopus
> --enable-libvorbis --enable-libtheora --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264
> --enable-libx265 --enable-nonfree libavutil 56. 51.100 / 56. 51.100
> libavcodec 58. 91.100 / 58. 91.100 libavformat 58. 45.100 / 58. 45.100
> libavdevice 58. 10.100 / 58. 10.100 libavfilter 7. 85.100 / 7. 85.100
> libswscale 5. 7.100 / 5. 7.100 libswresample 3. 7.100 / 3. 7.100
> libpostproc 55. 7.100 / 55. 7.100
> /opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/2/rec_5_710a90ec-cc64-41ed-976c-11cd83830019.webm:
> No such file or directory exitValue: 1 optional: false
> out:
> --
>
> Linux command line:
> [root@tqcom hibernate]# ffmpeg -y -itsoffset 00:00:01.000 -i
> /opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/2/rec_5_710a90ec-cc64-41ed-976c-11cd83830019.webm
> -i
> /opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/2/rec_5_710a90ec-cc64-41ed-976c-11cd83830019_FINAL_WAVE.wav
> -c:v h264 -crf 24 -vsync 0 -pix_fmt yuv420p -vf
> pad=ceil(iw/2)*2:ceil(ih/2)*2 -preset medium -profile:v baseline -level 3.0
> -movflags faststart -c:a aac -ar 22050 -b:a 32k
> /opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/hibernate/c46eb685-03b5-4090-8614-4004ac3248cb.mp4
> -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
> [root@tqcom hibernate]#
>
> [root@tqcom 2]# ls
> rec_4_b73b6d8b-0608-41f7-96cf-190f83a1db4b_FINAL_WAVE.wav
> rec_5_710a90ec-cc64-41ed-976c-11cd83830019_FINAL_WAVE.wav
> rec_6_1119f88f-2107-4e8b-b59e-6715675e1e39_FINAL_WAVE.wav
> rec_7_35c4d70e-3eb2-4ea9-8e67-c58e634d805f_FINAL_WAVE.wav [root@tqcom 2]#
> pwd /opt50/open500/webapps/openmeetings/data/streams/2
>
> andy
>
>
>
>
>

Re: OpenMeetings for 1500 simultaneous users

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi

you would need some clustering in place to achieve it. But without some
consulting and in-depth knowledge around how to achieve it you won't be
able to just run it out of the box.

Thanks,
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 01:58, Mukul Shukla  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I am working as a Professor in an Indian University. I want to install
> OpenMeetings along with a Moodle plugin, to conduct online classes for
> around 1500 live users always logged in. I have a few doubts that I would
> like to get clear.
> 1.  Will it be suitable to put 1500 concurrent users on Openmeetings? Will
> Openmeetings support it?
> 2. What will be the best architecture/hardware required for such a kind of
> setup?
> 3. How much network bandwidth will it require?
>
> Thank you all. Regards
>
> Prof. Mukul Shukla
> SGSITS, Indore,
> INDIA
>
>
>
>

Re: Unstable Openmeetings with KMS

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Hi Mukul,

I guess what Maxim asks is what *mode* you run the conference classes.

*Mode 1*: 15 presenters and 15 viewers with all audio/video on => roughly
15 *broadcast streams* by 15 *viewer streams* = 15x15 = 225 number of video
streams
*Mode 2*: 1 presenter with 100 viewers => 1 *broadcast stream* by 100 *viewer
streams* = 1x100 = 100 number of video streams

And the *Type* of the streams:
*Broadcasting streams* KMS can handle a max number
*Viewer streams* KMS can handle a max number (but higher then broadcast
streams)

Those numbers of video streams and types == Your system requirements for
the hardware and infrastructure.

If you are not sure on the mode you can take some averages. But most likely
you will need to do some clustering with multiple servers.

Or in the short run try to limit the conference rooms, to make sure you
don't exceed the maximum. Which is prob around 200-750 streams, depending
on the above modes and types of streams.

Thanks,
Sebastian

Sebastian Wagner
Director Arrakeen Solutions
http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/




On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 04:49, Mukul Shukla  wrote:

> What can be the configuration of such an OpenMeetings server which at max
> can handle?
>
> You can have ~200 media streams per KMS, this is
> 1) ~15 users all with audio and video in one room
> 2) OR 1 speaker and ~100 attendees without audio or video
> 3) OR something in the middle
> 4) OR 50 rooms with 2 users with audio/video each
>
> Thanks
> Mukul
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:12 PM Mukul Shukla  wrote:
>
>>
>> So can't I have multiple rooms with 700 students going upto 1500 students?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:08 PM Maxim Solodovnik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 23:27, Mukul Shukla  wrote:
>>>

 Dear All

 700 hundred rooms in different rooms.

 This will go upto 1500 students in different rooms.

>>>
>>> The above 2 sentences make no sense to me :(
>>> Could you please re-phrase ?
>>>
>>> You can have ~200 media streams per KMS, this is
>>> 1) ~15 users all with audio and video in one room
>>> 2) OR 1 speaker and ~100 attendees without audio or video
>>> 3) OR something in the middle
>>> 4) OR 50 rooms with 2 users with audio/video each
>>> ...
>>>
>>> you can scale the system using cluster
>>> each server in cluster will handle different rooms
>>>
>>>

 Will OpenMeetings support this? Or should I install difference software?

 Thanks

 Mukul

 On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:31 PM Maxim Solodovnik 
 wrote:

> Hello Mukul,
>
> are you talking about 700 users in the same room or 700 users in
> different rooms?
>
> "700 users in the same room" seems to be too much
>
> for "700 users in different rooms" you need OM cluster:
> https://openmeetings.apache.org/Clustering.html
>
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 20:45, Mukul Shukla 
> wrote:
>
>> Can anybody tell whether Openmeetings along with KMS can support 700+
>> simultaneous users.
>> Has anybody used Openmeetings for the conductions of  700 - 1000
>> users in a University setup?
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:09 PM BBS Technik  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> here, on the Kurento website,
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.kurento.org/blog/kurento-media-server-690-libnicer-and-performant
>>>
>>> you find a performance test  for KMS.
>>>
>>> Regards Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 09. September 2020 um 15:34 Uhr
>>> *Von:* "Mukul Shukla" 
>>> *An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
>>> *Betreff:* Unstable Openmeetings with KMS
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I have installed the latest Openmeetings. There are around 700 users.
>>> I am using Moodle Plugin to connect to the openmeeting.
>>>
>>> I have found that the Openmeetings is quite unstable. After around
>>> 200 users, Openmeetings dies, especially KMS. I have to restart KMS 
>>> again
>>> and again.
>>>
>>> Openmeetings should have a document which describes the hardware
>>> requirements for running the Openmeetings, and scaling it.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Mukul Shukla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Maxim
>

>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Maxim
>>>
>>

Re: Safari/iOS issues on Openmeetings v5.0.0

[seba.wag...@gmail.com]

Sry I had no time to follow up with Apple/Webkit ticket to get their dev
team to investigate.

Although I think this is broken for any Web-Conferencing that uses Safari.

Thanks,
Seb

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On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 06:27, Jason  wrote:

> Any update on this?  I have had to abandon using this until we users with
> iPad and iPhones can use.
>
> J
>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 7:31 PM, Jason  wrote:
> Openmeetings 5.0 M4 I think.  I can try the WebRTC.  I did setup Maxim to
> have remote access to a current MacBook for testing that had music playing
> and camera.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:13 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you using the official webRTC samples or OpenMeetings ?
> Or both ? :)
>
> I think in order to submit a bug to Apple/webkit its best to point towards
> the official webRTC reference examples at:
> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>
> Thanks,
> Seb
>
> Sebastian Wagner
> Director Arrakeen Solutions
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>
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 09:22, Jason  wrote:
>
>> I have the same issue on iOS 14 beta.  I have tried on iPhone and iPad.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 4:20 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was supposed to create a bug in the Apple bug at  bugs.webkit.org.
>>
>> And Apple were also asking me to:
>>  - Try iOS 14 beta.
>>  - Attach a sysdiagnose from the Mac to the bug report
>>
>> Cheers
>> Seb
>>
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 15:47, Jason  wrote:
>>
>>> Sure I can put music on
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Jason,
>>>
>>> Thanks, that would be awesome :)
>>> Does remote control for Mac allows to hear the sound? (overwise I can't
>>> test it ...)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 22:18, Jason  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can give you remote access to a Mac to test.
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:48 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'll try to ask if any of my friends owns Mac with latest Safari
>>>> maybe I can borrow Mac to debug ...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 14:04,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nothing todo.
>>>>> I was just updating on what I found out.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far the status is: confirming if issue is with Apple or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Seb
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/08/2020, at 6:48 PM, Alvaro  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Sebastian, i don't understand the means of your message.
>>>>>
>>>>> If i can do something, please tell me clear what...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El lun, 10-08-2020 a las 15:18 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> The webRTC issue is also manifesting in the official webRTC reference
>>>>> code examples at:
>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think other products will have the same issue on Safari13. But I
>>>>> would be worth validating.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody from Apple got in touch with me, and suggested that I submit
>>>>> a ticket to bugs.webkit.org and attach sysdiagnose.
>>>>>