Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

[Ryan Watson]

I thought the Berthoud Touring was "THE ONE" til I did a 600K on it. It became 
unbearable after 300 miles. I think it's just a bit too narrow for me, 
especially once fatigue sets in and more weight gets supported by my butt 
rather than my legs. Back to the B17 for me, at least for long rides. I wish 
Berthoud would make a b17 copy since their quality and design (easy to 
dismantle and replace individual bits) is vastly superior, IMO.

Cheers,
Ryan

On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:19, Lee Chae  wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Minh  wrote:
>> anyone have additional tips for setting up the berthoud?  it's still
>> pretty new, but i just can't get comfortable enough to go for a long
>> ride...
> 
> I have a B-17 Special on my Quickbeam and a Berthoud Aspin (touring
> model) on my multi-geared bike. Both have a similar drop of about 2 cm
> from the saddle to the bars. I find that I have to position the
> Berthoud saddle a little more level than I do the B-17, which has the
> typical nose-tilted-up set-up. FWIW, both saddles feel comfortable,
> though different, to me.
> 
> Best,
> Lee
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: I caved...totally, epically caved...

[Ryan Watson]

William,
FYI 
I'm exactly your height and weight and wear XL in Rapha Jerseys, L in the 
shorts and baselayers. 
I could wear L jerseys if not for my freakishly wide shoulders. 
The skincare stuff does smell nice, but contains tea tree oil which gives me a 
nasty rash. Glad I read the fine print before slathering it on my chamois!

Ryan






On Jul 1, 2011, at 13:04, William  wrote:

> Report so far.  I ended up getting a grip of stuff.  A brevet jersey, bib 
> shorts, armwarmers, kneewarmers, and their skincare bundle.  The jersey 
> looked great, but it was too small.  I bought a Medium in everything.  I'm 
> 5'10" 175lbs.  The shorts and kneewarmers fit well, but the jersey and 
> armwarmers were too small.  I've returned them and will exercise the Rapha 
> customer service. They had provided a return label, and the online 
> instructions were really easy to follow.  We'll see how that goes.
> 
> No feedback on the skincare stuff, except that I like how it smells.
> 
> The bib shorts are really nice.  I've always had several pair of regular 
> shorts.  Bibs are just a lot nicer around the waist.  Those of us with a 
> muffintop boiler appreciate it.  I dread to think what it'll cost me to 
> totally convert, but for now I have two sets of bib shorts (the others are 
> Pearl).  Bib knickers are definitely on my want list.  The shorts are made in 
> Italy for the sweatshop handwringers out there.  A nice bonus was they came 
> with a tiny tub of Rapha chamois cream.  The pad appears to be very high tech 
> according to the attached literature, but dude is it thick.  I've always 
> hated people who call padded cycling shorts 'diapers'.  It's actually a major 
> pet peeve of mine.  That said, this pad is really thick, like...um...well... 
> it's thick.  I'm sure I'll grow accustomed to it, but it is different than 
> anything I've used (mainly Descente and Pearl).  I'll have to do a 200k or 
> 300k with these to see if it makes a difference.  On the 35 mile commute to 
> the office, they were great, but overkill on the padding side.  Maybe I 
> should put an unpadded <150g saddle on :)  
> 
> The kneewarmers worked great, and have a nice reflective accent that I 
> appreciated.  
> 
> That's it for now.  
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[RBW] Re: I am an idiot; can I salvage my Nitto rack?

[Ryan Watson]

Here's what I did to my M12 for different reasons. Might work to  
salvage your rack.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/2078026953/

Ryan




On Sep 20, 2009, at 3:52, Mojo  wrote:

>
> So I have the front Nitto rack 
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1&page=4
> and I have buggered the threads on the fork crown extension portion
> enough where it is no longer holding tight (probably unnecesary note
> to you: don't use those presta head round bolts as washers on this
> rack). Do you think there is someone locally that can retap these
> threads on this thin little post and make my rack useful again? Or is
> there another solution, or do I have to rebuy?  I, and my front bag
> and fender, have all grown quite attached to this rack on my  
> Allrounder
> >

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[RBW] Re: S&S Recommendations

[Ryan Watson]

My first travel bike was a Bike Friday, but I've been much happier  
with my full sized coupled bikes.
With couplers any bike can become a travel bike, you can have whatever  
wheel size and geometry you prefer.
BF is great for getting around town, in and out of trains and busses,  
etc, but if I'm traveling somewhere for extended riding, I'll take the  
coupled bike.

Ryan

On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:45 AM, cm wrote:

>
> My feeling on couplers: Get a Bike Friday.
>
> Cheers!
> cm
>
> >


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[RBW] Re: Nitto R14 Users

[Ryan Watson]

 
My mistake, I thought we were talking about this one:

http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1&page=all#product=20-020

Mark's I can understand since it's adjustable to just about anything. 

Ryan


On Tuesday, September 29, 2009, at 05:50PM, "Shaun Meehan" 
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[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?

[Ryan Watson]

 
On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:21PM, "Johnny Alien" 
 wrote:
>
>If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone
>else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed
>up in some fashion.
>
>In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose
>something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything.

It happens, but rarely. I have had a few things never show up, maybe 3 items in 
10 years?

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?

[Ryan Watson]

 
On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:21PM, "Johnny Alien" 
 wrote:
>
>If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone
>else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed
>up in some fashion.
>
>In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose
>something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything.

It happens, but rarely. I have had a few things never show up, maybe 3 items in 
10 years?

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?

[Ryan Watson]

 
On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:21PM, "Johnny Alien" 
 wrote:
>
>If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone
>else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed
>up in some fashion.
>
>In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose
>something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything.

It happens, but rarely. I have had a few things never show up, maybe 3 items in 
10 years?

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?

[Ryan Watson]

 
Sorry for the triple post! Apple's crappy webmail is wigging out again!

On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:31PM, "Ryan Watson"  wrote:
>
> 
>On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 08:21PM, "Johnny Alien" 
> wrote:
>>
>>If it never shows up then I either messed up the address and someone
>>else got it (which I don't think happened) OR the post office messed
>>up in some fashion.
>>
>>In all my years of selling and trading I have yet to have the PO lose
>>something on me but I guess there is a first time for everything.
>
>It happens, but rarely. I have had a few things never show up, maybe 3 items 
>in 10 years?
>
>Ryan
>
>>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: whatever happened to speedblends?

[Ryan Watson]

 
On Tuesday, October 13, 2009, at 11:07PM, "Seth Vidal"  
wrote:
>
>Just curious - did speedblends just go out of production or did they
>get shelved for some other reason? I've never ridden on tires with
>speedblend sidewalls - I just thought they looked cool.

Don't know the answer, but
I've got a lightly used set of speedblend Nifty Swifties if anyone wants to 
make a deal.

Cheers,
Ryan

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[RBW] Sackville Shopsack!

[Ryan Watson]

I got mine a few days ago and it's pretty neat.
Perfect fit in the large Wald basket.
I'm using it folded in on itself as a sort of "basket liner".

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/4012913670/

Most of the time I'll just toss stuff in as is, but I'll have the option of 
zipping it up properly as cargo and weather dictate.

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on the road

[Ryan Watson]

 
On Friday, October 23, 2009, at 04:17AM, "Kip Otteson"  
wrote:
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/39159...@n08/sets/72157622644709288/
>
>Here are some shots of another ride in the area called Doi Suthep.
>It's the ride to a monastery that overlooks Chiang Mai.  Wonderful
>stuff.

Kip,
Just now catching up on a week of emails and saw this.
Very Nice!! I did what I believe is the same route back in '95 or '96 on my 
Bike Friday.
I plotted it out on MapMyRide a while ago:
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/thailand/chiang-mai/73677997
I'd love to go back!!

Cheers,
Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's the right saddle for a Roadeo?

[Ryan Watson]

 
On Friday, March 19, 2010, at 07:34PM, "usuk2007"  
wrote:
>+1 a wide saddle with deep sides looks strange on an agressively setup
>bike with some handlebar drop.
>I'm amazed that more folks on here haven't tried the Brooks narrow
>saddles like the Swift.There are alternatives
>to the B17.

I used to ride B17s exclusively, but now find my butt likes the Swift even 
better.

>I've seen the Berthoud saddles in the flesh (should that read leather)
>and they look awful compared to the Brooks.
>The back is plastic, the leather is mottled and the shape loots
>malformed. 

You must have seen the "cork" model. I agree those look bad. 
But this looks great to me:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallblog/4251727337/
I'll be getting one first chance I get!

Ryan

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[RBW] Rivendell Trail Article?

[Ryan Watson]

Howdy,
Does anyone know off hand which Reader had the article where they made  
the adjustable-offset fork to test different amounts of trail? I'm too  
lazy to go through my whole pile-o-readers looking for it.


Thanks,
Ryan



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[RBW] Re: 650b Velocity Aerohead Rims

[Ryan Watson]

650B aeroheads exist, or at least the two on my bike do!
I got mine off eBay, but I think Longleaf and CTA may have them.

Ryan




On Jul 20, 2009, at 21:16, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery  wrote:

>
> I'm not aware that a 650B Aerohead exists. I have some 650B Dyads -
> like Aeroheads, but a bit wider/stronger/heavier.
>
> On Jul 20, 7:20 pm, Richard  wrote:
>> Does anyone in the group know of a US source for the 650b Velocity
>> Aerohead rims?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Richard
> >

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[RBW] Re: wool-friendly detergents for HE washers

[Ryan Watson]

I've washing my woolies with Ecover delicate wash in my Asko for over  
a decade with no complaints.

Ryan




On Jul 27, 2009, at 13:26, Bill Rhea  wrote:

>
> I recently got a new High Efficiency washer to replace our 15+ year-
> old Kenmore when it died.
>
> Because of their low water use and the way they agitate, you're
> supposed to use HE-type soap to keep things from foaming up too much
>
> I have always used Ivory Snow detergent for my wools and have had OK
> luck, but am uncertain what to use in the new HE machine for my
> woolies.  Any suggestions?
>
> -br
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[RBW] Re: workstands

[Ryan Watson]

I've got a full size workstand, but the last few bikes I've built up,  
I didn't even bother to use it.
I just lean the bike on a wall or piece of furniture. I turn it upside  
down to install BB and cranks.

Ryan



On Jul 31, 2009, at 21:29, Horace  wrote:

>
> I've done that before. It's not too bad, if you are indeed short on
> space. You can't really use it for working on the bottom bracket or
> headset. And you might get tired of squatting low to do stuff. But I
> did that for years when I lived in a small apartment.
>
> Horace.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Aaron  
> Thomas wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone tried to do an entire bike build from the ground up using
>> one of the two leg stands, such as the one sold by VO?
>>
>> http://www.velo-orange.com/twolegstand.html
>>
>> Any other recommendations for inexpensive stands that don't take up
>> much space so that they are easy to store in a small apartment  
>> setting?
>>>
>>
>
> >

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[RBW] WTB: used Lil Loafer bag in Tan

[Ryan Watson]

The more used and dirty the better since I want it to match my beat up  
Baggins Banana bag. Newish is ok too, though.

Ryan


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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose Install on Bombadil

[Ryan Watson]

Looks nice!
Speaking of bullmoose bars,
What's the difference between the new Rivendell bullmoose bars and the  
ones I can get at rummage sales for $25 with a bike still attached?

Ryan




On Aug 4, 2009, at 19:09, AJ  wrote:

>
> Hey folks,
>
> Thought I would share a few photo's of my newly installed bars.  They
> look great and should work perfectly out in the woods.
>
> Cheers,
> AJ
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/10334...@n02/sets/72157621823970561/
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose Install on Bombadil

[Ryan Watson]

The ones on my Raleigh Tamarack seem to be chrome-plated lead pipe!



On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:38, CycloFiend  wrote:

>
> on 8/4/09 6:33 PM, Ryan Watson at rswat...@nyx.net wrote:
>
>>
>> Looks nice!
>> Speaking of bullmoose bars,
>> What's the difference between the new Rivendell bullmoose bars and  
>> the
>> ones I can get at rummage sales for $25 with a bike still attached?
>
> During the initial mtb boom, a huge range of manufacturers made
> bullmoose-style bars. Some are dangerously fragile, others horridly
> overbuilt. Some were chromed so that the steel could happily rust away
> unseen. Some clamped to a "threadless" style fork while others used a
> standard style stem design.
>
> In other words - there's a significant range of quality and style in  
> what
> you find. The really well made, strong bars of that era were rare at  
> the
> time and still hard to find. The Ritchey bars were excellent. The  
> Fisher
> bars had good years and recall years. Like most designs, the knock-off
> experts mimicked the form, but not necessarily the quality.
>
> It's like unicrown forks - I remember an Ibis warehouse sale just  
> after the
> front suspension boom where they were selling 1" threded Koski forks  
> for
> something like $5.  Now, try finding a decent, non-suspension  
> corrected fork
> for a mtb...
>
> but, I digress...
>
> - Jim
>
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> "'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed  
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> not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles."
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[RBW] Test

[Ryan Watson]

Nothing to see here, move along


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[RBW] Re: New Pacenti 650b tire

[Ryan Watson]

On Aug 5, 2009, at 18:22, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 18:53 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
>> Yes.  They have thicker rubber, more hysteresis losses and higher
>> rolling resistance.  "Puncture resistant" and "fast" are pretty much
>> antithetical when it comes to bike tires.  The rider can make their
>> choice about their priorities.
>
> However, sometimes you can have it both ways.  The Hetre by all  
> accounts
> is pretty puncture resistant and fast as well.

My longest ever flat-free streak was on Hetres, and well-worn ones at  
that.
Worst were Ruffy Tuffies, which is suprising since flat resistance is  
supposedly one of their virtues.
Could just be variability in the local goathead crop, I guess.

Ryan
Albuquerque NM


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[RBW] Re: Zefal Lock n' Roll v. magnets

[Ryan Watson]

Didn't try magnets, but twisting them allowed me to open them right up.
I could never get them set up such that they couldn't be easily opened  
without inverting the bike.
I asked on a couple lists if anyone had been able to get them to work,  
but got no replies.
I ended up returning them.

Ryan



On Aug 13, 2009, at 21:38, Z I  wrote:

>
>
> I've been thinking about buying a set of the Zefal Lock n'Rolls first
> for my commuter bike, and then maybe for the Atlantis (which I can
> rarely make myself leave unattended, yet). So while doing a google on
> them, I found someone had left a review on them at Bikeman.
>
> Here's what the guy had to say: "These are already obsolete!! Twisting
> is one way to defeat them, but its much easier to just use a magnet.
> No twisting, they open as if they are in the unlocked position!"
> http://www.bikeman.com/QR1497.html
>
> That'd be a bummer! I'm having a hard time believing that the Zefal
> engineers would not have thought of something so simple when designing
> an anti-theft device. I also can't seem to find any further
> collaborating links, so I wonder if this is just hearsay...
>
> The Zefal Lock n' Roll skewers were discussed around the beginning of
> the year, and someone asked if a magnet could trip the internal
> mechanism, but the discussion moved on to the Pitlocks. Has anyone who
> has them actually tried triggering the mechanism with a magnet?
>
>  - Zach
>
>
> >

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[RBW] Re: Zefal Lock n' Roll v. magnets

[Ryan Watson]

On Aug 15, 2009, at 22:40, Z I  wrote:

>
> Thanks for checking that out for me Ian. I felt like it would be a
> long shot that a magnet would open them up. Seems like it would be an
> obvious ploy for any professional bike thief, so they'd design against
> that. On the other hand, I suppose the pros are the ones that are
> going to get your bike regardless.
>
> I feel like I read somewhere else about someone having trouble with
> being able to twist the Zefals around. I wonder if it might be a
> tightness thing... or somehow not being able to grip the dropouts
> properly? Well, I will find out soon, I'm going to go pick some up and
> try them out.

That was probably me.
I tried on several bikes and also tried getting them super duper tight  
and was always able to twist them open.
Might have been operator error, might have been my dropouts, might  
have even been a defective set, I can't say.
Such a nifty idea, I hope you get them to work!

Ryan


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[RBW] Re: 650b market status?

[Ryan Watson]

Last I heard Kirk's project was very close. He extended the deadline  
to the end of August. So get your orders in!
I just added one more set to my order to help the cause.

Ryan




On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:43, Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
> On the Serotta board, someone pleaded for people to "invest" in Kirk
> Pacenti's Pari-Moto road tire (584x38). The poster stated Kirk needed
> 200 pairs pre-ordered by 8/15 at a cost of $118/pair. Does anyone know
> if Kirk made it?
>
> I'm curious as to the size of the 650b market. If there's "growth," is
> it mainly mtb (27.5")? I have a buddy who just build up a custom Rock
> Lobster 650b bike, but its an mtb. He said Paul Sadoff has only done a
> few of these and all mtbers. My buddy is only 5'7 or 5'8, but he loves
> the ride of his new bike!
>
> What's the demand for road 650b?  For example, 650b seems to make
> sense for making older "racing" style bikes more useful, i.e., you can
> take basically any old racer like a Masi or Colnago, put on 650b
> wheels and run 32 or 35mm wide tires. Alternatively, 650b seems to
> work for those with shorter legs too.
>
> But, is there really that many people demanding road 650b or is it
> just another fading fad?
> >

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[RBW] Re: 650b market status?

[Ryan Watson]

I'm with Bruce! Almost an all 650B fleet now. In fact, my only  
non-650b bikes have been locked up 400 miles away in my ex's shed for  
over 2 years now: 20" wheeled 'bent, 27" fixie, and 700c Shula. I'll  
probably keep the bent and Shula, but the fixie will be replaced by a  
650b model. (already got the wheels!)
Last 700c ride was may 2007.
Riv content: this is all Grant's fault for selling me those Trimlines  
3 years ago!

Ryan






On Aug 23, 2009, at 15:48, Bruce  wrote:

> After being sucked into the 650B vortex by Phil, I have divested  
> myself of all 700c wheels and now count  (3) 650Bs and a lobe 26" in  
> the garage. In fact, I just built a set of wheels using some NOS  
> uniglide hubs and Synergy rims. I like 'em.
>
> From: Phil B 
>
> Other than a little used rigid mountain bike 650B conversion, the only
> time I utilize the size now is in the winter, turning my comfortable
> road bike running Jack Browns into a fendered 650B.
>
>
> >

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com

[Ryan Watson]

Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen  
all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it!

Ryan




On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:18, JoelMatthews  wrote:

>
>> Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what
>> Waterford is willing to accept.
>
> Waterford could be driving this.  From their site it appears the only
> frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive)
> Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike.  None of the Waterford road
> racing bikes have DT braze ons.  GP's write up said he put more of the
> design specs in Waterford's hands because he was trying to meet a
> specific weight total.  Maybe Waterford believes accommodating DT
> braze ons adds too much weight.
>
>> Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an
>> upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like
>> Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as
>> it was black).
>
> This has always been Riv's policy on paint though.  In this instance,
> I do not mind, as the stock Roadeo scheme is close to the Trek 959,
> the bike I dreamed about owning during my High School days.
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2:07 pm, Jim Cloud  wrote:
>> I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply
>> reflective of my own opinion.  It seems strange to me that Grant, who
>> was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required
>> "system compatibility" has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its  
>> braze-
>> on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano)
>> system.
>>
>> I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not
>> accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the
>> frame.  This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of
>> change.  Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what
>> Waterford is willing to accept.
>>
>> Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an
>> upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like
>> Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as
>> it was black).
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
 Aren't band attached down tube mounts available?
>>
>>> Indeed there are.
>>
>>> However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers  
>>> with
>>> the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex
>>> levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful
>>> NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets.
>>
>>> I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector
>>> territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could
>>> rotate use of some of those lovely old parts
>>
>>> Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently.
>>> Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however.  I
>>> have been actively collecting for six years now and can only  
>>> remember
>>> one or two being offered for sale.
>>
>>> Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with
>>> unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter.
>>> On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce  wrote:
>>
 Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early  
 steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap  
 around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual.
>>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM,  
> JoelMatthews wrote:
>>
>> Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques  
>> Anquetil and
>> Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.-  
>> Hide quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com

[Ryan Watson]

Even running STI, I'd want DT bosses! It gives you barrel adjusters  
within arms reach for a handy "adjust on the fly" when the shifting  
goes a bit off.

Ryan



On Aug 28, 2009, at 19:35, JoelMatthews  wrote:

>
> Doug:  I agree with the points you make.  I am just a tad frustrated
> as the Roadeo is so close to a bike I have in mind - even the stock
> colors - but for one missing option.  We dt people want in on the fun.
>
> On Aug 28, 4:59 pm, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>> Howdy folks.
>>
>> Three things about this thread are jumping out at me.  Other than  
>> both being
>> steel road bikes, there isn't much similarity between the Pacer and  
>> the
>> Roadeo (no offense intended to Seth :^).  I am 99% sure the Roadeo  
>> will take
>> a much bigger tire, unless the Pacer has changed (it works with  
>> short reach
>> brakes at the bottom of the slot or "standard" reach at the top of  
>> the
>> slot).  Tig'ed in Taiwan of average butted steel vs. brazed in  
>> Wisconsin of
>> much better than average steel is a HUGE difference.  Next, the  
>> Roadeo is
>> "our answer to speedy carbon road bikes".  What percent of recently  
>> sold
>> "speedy carbon road bikes" don't have integrated shifting of some  
>> sort?
>> This isn't a Rambouillet replacement.  Lastly, you don't shop RBW  
>> bikes
>> because they cheaper than alternatives (not including the Sam
>> Hillborne/Betty Foy/Yves Gomez) or just because they're lugged.   
>> You buy
>> them because you like RBW and/or GP's designs...
>>
>> Whew!
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Seth Vidal   
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't the surly pacer take downtube shifters and won't it  
>>> accomodate
>>> 35mm tires? Sure seems like it might. Now, I know the surly is not
>>> nearly as light as the roadeo will be but it's not TERRIBLE afaict.
>>
>>> -sv
> >

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[RBW] Re: Just a bike fantasy

[Ryan Watson]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 20:07, Christopher Paul  wrote:

>
> Since I'm working without pay these days, my best moments (when not
> riding) are pondering bike fantasies.  Now I love Rivendell geometry.
> I also love titanium.  Who in the universe could clone a Rivendell in
> titanium if my ship should somehow or someway come in?  I don't want
> to violate any intellectual property. Just want to have a dream
> machine!  Is that so unreasonable?
>
> Cheers!

I suspect just about any Ti builder could do it. I don't think the  
geometry is secret.
I've considered having someone make me a Bleriot copy but with thin,  
flexy tubing and some extra braze-ons.
I'd probably buy a few Rivendell memberships as gifts for friends as  
compensation for "borrowing" their geometry specs.

Ryan


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[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet

[Ryan Watson]

On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:50, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:17 -0700, Steve Park wrote:
>> It baffles me that compact double cranksets usually come as 50/36 or
>> maybe 48/34; maybe this is a limitation of typical 110BCD bolt
>> diameter.
>
> 34T is the smallest you can get on the 110mm bolt circle.


33T actually.
Not sure if anyone besides TA makes 'em, though.

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet

[Ryan Watson]

I use 46/30 on the bikes I ride the most and it's the bees knees!
Two cranks with 50.4 bcd and one 94 bcd, with
12-28 8sp cassettes.
I use the entire range and have never wished for a lower gear (at  
least on the road) and only rarely wish for higher.

Ryan



On Sep 1, 2009, at 13:35, Mike  wrote:

>
> Thanks for the input. I totally agree with both of the Steves, that
> the gearing is baffling but that it's designed for racers. Still, I
> think most folks would be pleasantly surprised at how well a 46 suits
> their needs. My Hilsen has a triple that's like 46/36/26 and I love
> the 46 outer.
>
> There was talk a while back about VO doing a crank with something like
> 46/30 gearing. That would be good.
>
> I'm going to order up a 46 outer today.
>
> --mike
>
> On Sep 1, 11:05 am, Ryan Watson  wrote:
>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:50, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:17 -0700, Steve Park wrote:
>>>> It baffles me that compact double cranksets usually come as 50/36  
>>>> or
>>>> maybe 48/34; maybe this is a limitation of typical 110BCD bolt
>>>> diameter.
>>
>>> 34T is the smallest you can get on the 110mm bolt circle.
>>
>> 33T actually.
>> Not sure if anyone besides TA makes 'em, though.
>>
>> Ryan
> >

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[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?

[Ryan Watson]

I spruced up this nice little Miyata:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/541257963




On Sep 1, 2009, at 20:35, John Aydelotte   
wrote:

> It rides very well -- with the sprung saddle she get's a very smooth  
> ride, even on rough city streets.
>
> Yes, the Le Tour series are quite nice, and this one was (from what  
> I could glean online) made by Panasonic.  There are still lots of  
> them out there in garages and they pop up on Craigslist pretty  
> frequently.  They are a step up from the World Tourist (made by  
> Giant in Taiwan, I believe), and certainly lighter than the old  
> Varsity bike, which may have still been cranked out in Chicago back  
> then.  Was that the one you were thinking of?
>
> The original catalog page for the Le Tour Touriste can be seen  
> here.  The Mixte isn't prominent, but the lower left photo shows one.
>
> My only regret is that she will be too tall for it in another year  
> or two and will need something else.  And even though it will fit my  
> son by then, he probably won't want what he calls a "girls bike".
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:28 PM, JoelMatthews   
> wrote:
>
> > 1981 Schwinn Le Tour 
> > Mixte >
> >
> > ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/ 
> or broken
> > components, and turned it into this:
>
> Thanks John.  That really turned out well.
>
> When I warned against Schwinn earlier, I was thinking of the old
> Chicago cruiser models with the one piece crank, and old north
> american standard stem and seat post sizing.  The Le Tour - I believe
> there was another as well, conform more readily to modern parts.
>
> And it has the nice center seat tube join design.  I bet it rides
> pretty well.
>
> On Sep 1, 5:07 pm, John Aydelotte  wrote:
> > Another vote for the Schwinn idea -- I took this Craigslist special:
> >
> > 1981 Schwinn Le Tour 
> > Mixte >
> >
> > ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/ 
> or broken
> > components, and turned it into this:
> >
> > Birthday Mixte 
> >
> > ...for my daughter.  I wouldn't call it "Riv'd Up" so much as  
> "Velo Oranged
> > Up" but I think the outcomes might be similar.  The frame was  
> stripped &
> > powder-coated locally, and my total cost was less than $400 plus  
> some parts
> > (saddle, pedals, brake levers) I had around the garage.
> >
> > I didn't want to spend a ton as she's gonna outgrow it in another  
> year or
> > two, but she loves the bike and gets more compliments on it than I  
> do on my
> > Atlantis.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, JoelMatthews  
>  wrote:
> >
> > > > Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you
> > > > considered Soma's Buena vista?
> >
> > > Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork.  For  
> whatever
> > > reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a  
> brace
> > > attaching to the seat tube.
> >
> > > If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of  
> loads -
> > > and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be  
> less than
> > > ideal.
> >
> > > I have seen a lot of people on these bikes.  But with all my 165  
> lbs
> > > to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at  
> all.
> > > Maybe I am fussy.
> >
> > > On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> > > > Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you
> > > > considered Soma's Buena vista?  A quick google search shows them
> > > > between $375 and 475 for the Frameset.  I don't  have personal
> > > > experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good  
> bang for
> > > > the buck.
> >
> > > > I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a  
> older
> > > > CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of  
> the road.
> > > > After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I  
> can't
> > > > argue with the price of the bike.  In Seattle I frequently see  
> "Ladies
> > > > 3 speeds" for decent prices on Craigslist an older english  
> ladies bike
> > > > will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light.
> >
> > > > R
> >
> > > > On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> >
> > > > > > - Rene Herse
> > > > > > - Alex Singer
> > > > > > - Jack Taylor
> >
> > > > > Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;)
> >
> > > > > But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist  
> or on eBay
> > > > > with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill.  Jack  
> Taylor
> > > > > does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French  
> counterparts
> > > > > (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky.  More  
> once in a
> > > > > blue moon type of thing.
> >
> > > > > There are any number of bike boom French mixtes,  Japanese  
> came at the
> > > > > tail end of the boom.  Some good and some n

[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?

[Ryan Watson]

I got the basket from Jitensha studio. It's quite nice.

Ryan




On Sep 1, 2009, at 20:47, John Aydelotte   
wrote:

> Nice!  Certainly a bit more Rivish than mine.  Where's the basket  
> from?
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Ryan Watson  wrote:
> I spruced up this nice little Miyata:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/541257963
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2009, at 20:35, John Aydelotte   
> wrote:
>
>> It rides very well -- with the sprung saddle she get's a very  
>> smooth ride, even on rough city streets.
>>
>> Yes, the Le Tour series are quite nice, and this one was (from what  
>> I could glean online) made by Panasonic.  There are still lots of  
>> them out there in garages and they pop up on Craigslist pretty  
>> frequently.  They are a step up from the World Tourist (made by  
>> Giant in Taiwan, I believe), and certainly lighter than the old  
>> Varsity bike, which may have still been cranked out in Chicago back  
>> then.  Was that the one you were thinking of?
>>
>> The original catalog page for the Le Tour Touriste can be seen  
>> here.  The Mixte isn't prominent, but the lower left photo shows one.
>>
>> My only regret is that she will be too tall for it in another year  
>> or two and will need something else.  And even though it will fit  
>> my son by then, he probably won't want what he calls a "girls bike".
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:28 PM, JoelMatthews   
>> wrote:
>>
>> > 1981 Schwinn Le Tour 
>> > Mixte<http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ 
>> >
>> >
>> > ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty  
>> and/or broken
>> > components, and turned it into this:
>>
>> Thanks John.  That really turned out well.
>>
>> When I warned against Schwinn earlier, I was thinking of the old
>> Chicago cruiser models with the one piece crank, and old north
>> american standard stem and seat post sizing.  The Le Tour - I believe
>> there was another as well, conform more readily to modern parts.
>>
>> And it has the nice center seat tube join design.  I bet it rides
>> pretty well.
>>
>> On Sep 1, 5:07 pm, John Aydelotte  wrote:
>> > Another vote for the Schwinn idea -- I took this Craigslist  
>> special:
>> >
>> > 1981 Schwinn Le Tour 
>> > Mixte<http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ 
>> >
>> >
>> > ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty  
>> and/or broken
>> > components, and turned it into this:
>> >
>> > Birthday Mixte <http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577051527/>
>> >
>> > ...for my daughter.  I wouldn't call it "Riv'd Up" so much as  
>> "Velo Oranged
>> > Up" but I think the outcomes might be similar.  The frame was  
>> stripped &
>> > powder-coated locally, and my total cost was less than $400 plus  
>> some parts
>> > (saddle, pedals, brake levers) I had around the garage.
>> >
>> > I didn't want to spend a ton as she's gonna outgrow it in another  
>> year or
>> > two, but she loves the bike and gets more compliments on it than  
>> I do on my
>> > Atlantis.
>> >
>> > Good luck!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, JoelMatthews  
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you
>> > > > considered Soma's Buena vista?
>> >
>> > > Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork.  For  
>> whatever
>> > > reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only  
>> a brace
>> > > attaching to the seat tube.
>> >
>> > > If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of  
>> loads -
>> > > and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be  
>> less than
>> > > ideal.
>> >
>> > > I have seen a lot of people on these bikes.  But with all my  
>> 165 lbs
>> > > to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at  
>> all.
>> > > Maybe I am fussy.
>> >
>> > > On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan  wrote:
>> > > > Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you
>> > > > considered Soma's Buena vista?  A quick google search shows  
>> them
>> > > > betw

[RBW] Re: Noodle v. Soba

[Ryan Watson]

I replaced a 48cm Noodle with a 46cm Soba and it was about 80g lighter  
on my scale, probably +/- 10g.

Ryan




On Sep 6, 2009, at 23:06, "Dustin N. Sharp"  wrote:

>
> Anyone know the difference in weight? Not that I'm a weight weenie,  
> buuut I just gotta know, ya know?
>
> Dustin Sharp
> San Diego, CA
>
> >

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[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.

[Ryan Watson]

On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:14, RoadieRyan  wrote:

>
> Interesting I have always had this dream that goes in the opposite
> direction, essentially an over sized automatic tie rack but for
> bikes.  I could press a button an slowly rotate thru the bikes..hmm is
> today a commuter, cross, IGH townie, light steel Italian racer, or
> should I just take the Bleriot again?


You mean something like this?

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[RBW] Re: Dearth of female riders in SoCal was: The myth of the all-rounder.

[Ryan Watson]

A while back on one of these lists someone asked about "how to get  
more chicks into cycling?"
The best response was "stop calling them chicks!"
I started paying attention and it seems around here, Albuquerque, NM,  
road cyclists seem to follow the Brian Wilson Distribution (two girls  
for every boy).
I'm just taking about solo riders or small groups. I encounter more  
women than men on most rides.
For organized events, it's reversed, far more males than females.
On the other hand, I often hear about women-only group rides, but  
don't recall every hearing about a men-only ride.
Maybe most women ride to get away from men? ;-)
Personally I don't give a hoot, all cyclists are OK by me.

Ryan


On Sep 9, 2009, at 13:17, Dustin Sharp  wrote:

>
> We had an all paved ride in San Diego in August, but didn't fare any  
> better
> in terms of gender balance. Maybe we just need a different way of  
> promoting
> these things?
>
> What's not to like about a bunch of guys wearing sweaty wool?
>
> Dustin
>
>
>> From: Aaron Thomas 
>> Reply-To: 
>> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>> Subject: [RBW] Re: Dearth of female riders in SoCal was: The myth  
>> of the
>> all-rounder.
>>
>>
>> For what it's worth, I invited two women friends out for Sunday's
>> ride . One, who doesn't have an off-road appropriate bike (or even a
>> BOBish bike), said she'd be up for riding, but could naturally only  
>> do
>> paved rides on her modern, tight clearance rig. The other, who has a
>> cross bike, was basically down for it, but had other commitments.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to rule out off-road routes for future SoCal Riv
>> Rides, but perhaps throwing some all-paved rides into the mix would
>> attract women (and others) who don't have off-road capable road bikes
>> or who may feel unsure about their off-roading skill set on technical
>> mountain runs.
>>
>> A
>>
>> On Sep 8, 5:36 pm, David Estes  wrote:
>>> Speaking of women riders, what's the deal with the SoCal Rivendell
>>> Appreciation Society Sausage-fest?   I see LOTS of women riding  
>>> bikes
>>> everywhere, but lugged steel on dirt roads does not seem to  
>>> attract them.
>>>
>>> One woman for 1/3 of one ride does not satisfy Title IX.
>>>
>>> DE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM, David Estes  
>>>  wrote:
 Uhmmm, Lesli, now is the time to chime in...
>>>
 On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Dave Craig   
 wrote:
>>>
> I wonder what we'd find if this question were answered by women.  
> None
> have responded thusfar to this thread. ARE there any female  
> members of
> this group??
>>>
> 
>>>
> As I consider my female bicycling buddies, students and  
> acquaintences,
> I realize that none of them have more than two bikes and that most
> have just one.
>>>
> Do women think the all-rounder is a myth?  I have to wonder  
> whether
> they even care.
>>>
> DC
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>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>> Redlands, CA
>>>
>>> "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is  
>>> something
>>> wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."   
>>> ~Bill Nye,
>>> scientist guy
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> >

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[RBW] Re: wool jerseys

[Ryan Watson]

I've got one of the Wabi long sleeve jerseys. It's one of the nicest  
wool jerseys I've used. Very dense and warm, much warmer and windproof  
than a Swobo, Woolistic, or Ibex. Overkill for New Mexico most of the  
time, but awesome on cold winter rides.

Ryan




On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:09, Bill Connell  wrote:

>
> Speaking of wool jerseys, has anyone tried one from Wabi Woolens?
> http://www.wabiwoolens.com
>
> They look great, and seem like they'd be more wind-resistant than
> most. I've been thinking of splurging on one for this winter.
>
> -- 
> Bill Connell
> St. Paul, MN
>
> >

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Twin Hollow

[Ryan Watson]

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Rene wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone used a 650b wheelset with Velocity Twin Hollow rims? If so,
> how are they? Thanks. -- Rene

That's a new one on me, and I'm a 650B junkie.
You should ask over on the 650B list.

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Decauler mounted handlebar bag

[Ryan Watson]

Hi,
I'm using an Ostrich on one bike and a Iniurushi(Jitensha) on another  
without decaleurs. I have the bags bolted through the front rack  
through the plastic stiffeners on the bottom. I then use toe straps to  
handlebars. Very stable and there's enough gap between the bag and bar  
to still allow me to use the top-o-the-bar hand positions. Might work  
for you depending on your setup and whether of not you need a quick- 
release feature. I can take a photo later if you'd like.

Ryan

On Sep 17, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I posted this over at the randon group and got no assistance. Perhaps
> someone here can assist.
>
> I've got a new bike on the way, a Rivendell AHH, that I'll eventually
> be using with a handlebar bag, most likely a Jitensha, Berthoud, or
> Ostrich. I know there are different types of decaulers, stem and fork
> spacer style, and even front rack style now. I'm also aware that the
> bags come in different heights. I'm curious how to go about picking
> the right bag and decauler. Is it best to have the top of the bag
> even
> with the top of the handlebar or a little below it? What else should
> I
> be considering. Also, do holes need to be punched in these bags for
> the decaulers?
> The frame is a 63cm so the head tube will be tall. I noticed that the
> Ostrich bag is only 220mm tall which seems like it will put it well
> below the top of the bars. A large Berthoud seems to be the best way
> to go. I have the front rack already and will definitely go with one
> of these bags I'm just not sure which. The Ostrich is the most
> attractive as I like the design and price.
> Are there any web pages that explain the process? How did others go
> about choosing and setting up their bags.
> thanks,
> mike
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?

[Ryan Watson]

If anything, road buzz makes a bike seem slower to me. I guess because I've 
always associated noise and vibration with inefficiency. 



On Apr 18, 2012, at 13:15, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> BUT! Jan's hypothesis that skinny tires feel faster because they
> vibrate more seems to me to be very questionable. Doubtless when,
> after six months, I return to my slightly-sub-18-lb gofast fixie after
> riding the 30+ lb Fargo, the 30- trike and the 25lb errand Riv, and
> find it "fast," this is due to a myriad of factors that cannot, or
> only with more expertise and energy than is worth expending, be
> reduced to scientifically identified causes. But (1) it does *feel*
> faster; (2) it is no slower in concrete-like reality; and (3) all of
> this has absolutely nuthin', repeat nothing, to do with road buzz.
> 
> In fact, reducing the question to a crudely empirical estimate of
> crank rpm in the higher gear (75" comp to, respectively, 69", 70" and
> 72"), I *am* going faster. Again, no buzz factor.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:09 AM, William  wrote:
>> agreed.  Even Jan Heine admits that the perception of speed is far stronger
>> than any measurable speed difference in this hair-splitting area.  He rides
>> quality fat tires because he knows empirically that they are no slower at
>> worst and slightly faster at best.  He concedes that narrow tires feel
>> faster despite the measurable fact that they are not.  I remember that every
>> time I see a post "I rode those tires for a while, but they were sluggish
>> and slow".  19 times out of 20, that's a qualitative judgement, not a
>> quantitative one.
>> 
>> I've been tempted to ask Jan since going fast is fun (for the most part),
>> but since going slow is safe (for the most part), shouldn't he run skinny
>> tires, since they feel fast but are slow?  I know, I'm a jerk, and a smart
>> aleck.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:03:07 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> MichaelH illustrates how little difference it makes. Three minutes is his
>>> largest variation in his 18 mile ride on a variety of different tires with
>>> different bikes, and that variation wasn't even reproducible in a second
>>> trial. I spent seven years in grad school doing science, so I can see that
>>> there are confounding factors in Michael's research that muddy the waters.
>>> But his over all consistency from tire to tire and bike to bike suggests (if
>>> not proves) that tire differences play much less role than, say, the rider's
>>> day to day energy level and attitude, wind direction, and countless other
>>> factors. Comparing one lightweight 700x28 tire to another is really
>>> splitting hairs.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:16:05 PM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:
 
 Another single data point.
 
 Along with the post on where the Rambouillet fit in the Riv line up, I
 rode an 18 mile loop from my home on my Ram with a pair of Continental GP4,
 23 mm tires.  (A gift).  The course has 900 feet of climbing and includes
 4-5 miles of dirt roads, with the rest equally divided among good pavement,
 bad pavement, and atrocious pavement.  After the ride I recorded my time &
 subjective impressions (painful).  I also discovered a cut  in the sidewall
 of the rear tire, so I decide to replicate the ride with a variety of bikes
 and ties.  I rode it twice on my Ebisu with Jack Browns.  The first ride 
 was
 3 minutes slower but the second was identical, although a lot more
 comfortable. I rode it once with my Trek & T Serve  (30mm actual).  My time
 was right between the faster and slower rides & the comfort just a nudge
 below the JB.  Now the wind has shifted around from the south to the west (
 it has been blowing at 20 -25 mph, making this very real world test) and 
 the
 dirt road has been graded, leaving it's surface full of rocks and loose
 sand, so it's really hard going now.  Hard to make comparisons.  I'm in
 Boston for the weekend and heavy rain forecasted for next week so this test
 will be suspended for a while.
 
 I'm not sure where this leaves me.  I'd like to put the Grand Bois Green
 on my ram but am wondering if the perceived advantage is worth the added
 flats.
 
 Michael
 
 On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:29:48 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
> 
> I'm in the same boat with Pari-Motos.  I flat almost every ride with
> Pari-Motos, and almost never with anything else.  I've put them back on 
> with
> Foss tubes to try again.  I like the ride of them, but the flat record is
> pretty bad for me.  For me it's been glass.
> 
> On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:55:06 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
>> 
>> Prompted by this thread I changed out the Rolly Poly/Ruffy Tuffy
>> front/rear combo on my road bike wheels to the pair of (what I have
>> considered to be special event) Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires. I rode them 

Re: [RBW] KMC chains noisy? Noise = wear?

[Ryan Watson]

I use KMC chains more often than not. The fancier ones labeled for 8 and 9 
speed are quiet and long lasting. I have tried those cheapies and they are 
noisy and don't last as long. 

Ryan



On May 8, 2012, at 17:05, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I just replaced a cheap Sachs chain on one of my Riv fixies with an
> ever cheaper KMC chain that cost me, what, $4.95 at a LBS? It's a 3/32
> chain. The ring and cogs are very little worn. The new chain makes a
> considerable racket.
> 
> I've done heard that KMC chains are noisy: is this so?
> 
> Does mo' noise mean mo' wear?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650C Tire question: Michelin Pro 3 Race versus Conti GP 4000 versus Conti GP Triathlon; others?

[Ryan Watson]

On May 24, 2012, at 13:49, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Forgot to add as a PSA that Nashbar also offers B 17s for $108.


Come on now, Patrick, just cough up the extra $2 and buy from Rivendell!

Or Boulder Bicycle has 'em for $99.

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chain deal ... ?

[Ryan Watson]

Dang! $3 chains?! Are they any good?



On May 24, 2012, at 14:19, Brewster Fong  wrote:

> 
> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:57:39 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
> Was it on this list that, a couple of months ago, someone offered me a 
> deal on chains that I turned down for lack of cash? Cash is slightly 
> less lacking now and if that person reads this and still wants to 
> sell, will he please email me offlist? 
> 
> If you need 7/8/9 speed chains, Vuelta has a pretty good deal.
>  
> Silver 8 speed chains, which btw can also be used with 7 speed, are $3.00 
> each:
>  
> http://www.vueltausa.com/vuelta-daily-specials/chain-8sp-71mm-cp-116l-f80.html
>  
> If you prefer Brown 7 speed chains they're only $2.50 each:
>  
> http://www.vueltausa.com/vuelta-daily-specials/chain-7sp-71mm-brwn-116l-f50.html
>  
> Silver 9 speed chains are more at $15:
>  
> http://www.vueltausa.com/components/chains/9sp-chain-1.html
>  
> NOTE - the chains DO NOT COME with removeable links. IF you want them, 
> they're a separate item and are called Q-links and sell for an additional 
> $1.50 to $2.00 each:
>  
>  http://www.vueltausa.com/components/chains.html
>  
> Vuelta calls their regular links "master links," but those are not the 
> removable types, ask me how I knowGood Luck!
>  
>  
> Thanks. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] rene herse crank

[Ryan Watson]

Brian,
I'm tempted by these, but hesitant since I have 175 on all my bikes. 
I'm curious what tread/q you get with the 107 BB. Did you measure it?
I prefer ALARA Q. (as low as reasonably achievable!) and "reasonably" for me 
includes things like using the wrong spindle taper or crimping my chainstays 
with a giant pair of pliers ;-)

Ryan, in Ouray, CO on a 3-day bike tour :-)




On May 27, 2012, at 1:36, Brian Hanson  wrote:

> I've been commuting for the past few weeks with one of the new Rene Herse 
> cranks on my AHH.  http://www.compasscycle.com/cranks_bb.html  I haven't seen 
> any reviews on this yet, so I figured I would share a few thoughts/opinions 
> with the group.  I'm not really a crankoholic, and have mainly ridden wider Q 
> mountain cranks.  I mainly wanted to upgrade the bike a bit, and thought a 
> well built crankset would be a nice add.  Something that would last as long 
> as the frame, perhaps.   
> 
> I've never had any experience with a narrow tread road bike, and was a bit 
> worried that having a narrow Q would be a problem.  So far that has not 
> worked out to be the case.  I find it comfortable, and natural.  The length 
> of these are 171mm, which is close to what I'm finding to be ideal for me.  I 
> tend to lately favor the 170mm cranks I have on another bike over the 175mm 
> I've been using for the past 20 years.  
> 
> The finish and feel of these cranks is indeed very nice, and every bit as 
> good as it has been billed.  The chainrings are nice and thick, but elegant.  
> To me, these cranks feel more solid than the others I've used lately 
> including Sugino XD, Suntour XC Pro, and modern Shimano Deore and XT cranks, 
> as well as a Race Face outboard bearing set I have on my mtb.   They are very 
> nice to look at, as well, with a highly polished finish, and simple, clean 
> and classy lines that go really well with the Rivendell frame.  
> 
> It was recommended by Jan that I use a 110mm bottom bracket, so I ordered 
> one, but decided to try the cranks with a 107mm that I had on already.  They 
> went on easily, and the arms have at least 3-5mm clearance with the 
> chainstays.  The chainline is adequate, as well.  I got 44/28 rings to go 
> with an 11-32 cassette.  This gives me plenty of range for the hilly riding I 
> do in the area.  Bottom line - I highly recommend these.  Love em!
> 
> Pics:
> 
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzzumnw
> 
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Which tires, which bike for Ride the Rockies?

[Ryan Watson]

I'll be there! I've done RTR almost every year since 1993.
I've not ridden the dirt section in question, but the other dirt roads they've 
used in the past have actually been smoother than most of the pavement. They 
spray some kind of chemical binder on the road ahead of time.
Colorado pavement, especially in the mountains, is pretty crappy. I wouldn't 
use anything narrower than 32mm myself. 
Having said that, 90+% of the riders use skinny 23mm tires and seem to enjoy 
themselves. You do see lots of thick bar tape, jelly filled gloves and those 
anti-vibration bar plugs!
On one particularly rough section I once picked up almost a dozen of those 
plugs that had rattled loose and fallen on the road.
I'll be on my 650B Kogswell with 38-40mm tires, probably Trimlines. Fenders too.
I'll be surprised if there are more than 10 fendered bikes there. I've seen 
many totally rain-free years, but last year, it rained like hell on the last 
day. You never know. Most likely, rain will come in the form of the occasional 
brief, but intense afternoon thunderstorm.
Also, a bell is worth it's weight in gold when sharing the road with 2000 other 
riders.

Ryan in Albuquerque 





On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:40, Mojo  wrote:

> Ride the Rockies starts weekend next. Is anyone from this group going to be 
> there?  
>  
> So I am between two bikes, a standard Rivendell road and a Legolas.
> The Legolas has longboard fenders on it, so the thought is I will take the 
> road if the weather forecast is dry, the Legolas if wet.
> I like the idea of having fenders for a 6 day ride though. Both bikes weigh 
> around 25lbs with empty saddlebag, empty water bottles, pump, repair kit, 
> bell, small lights.
>  
> Now tires. This is 440 miles with about 25 miles of dirt. One 15 mile stretch 
> of dirt is towards the end of the longest day at 92 miles. The dirt roads are 
> described as smooth. I have three sets of tires: Jack Brown Greens, Rolly 
> Polys, Schwalbe Ultremo ZX (28mm). If the Legolas goes it will definitely 
> have the Jack Browns. The Riv road can take any of these tires without 
> fenders.
>  
> Thoughts? Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Which tires, which bike for Ride the Rockies?

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On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:37, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Ryan Watson  wrote:
> 
>> Having said that, 90+% of the riders use skinny 23mm tires and seem to enjoy
>> themselves. You do see lots of thick bar tape, jelly filled gloves and those
>> anti-vibration bar plugs!
> 
> What the heck are "anti vibration bar plugs"?!


These things:
http://bontrager.com/model/04579

A total gimmick if you ask me. I probably still have a set if you want to try 
em.


> I'll be on my 650B Kogswell with 38-40mm tires, probably Trimlines. Fenders
>> too.
> 
> Curious: why not the very nice Herse?

I sold it to you, remember! Unless you mean the Boulder. I don't need all the 
Boulder's randonneur accoutrements on a ride like RTR, so I usually take the 
Kogswell. I reserve the right to change my mind, though. 


> Was the K the one I borrowed briefly?

That's the one!

> 
> Patrick Moore, girding my loins for a massively epic 30 miler once the
> smoke dies down in ABQ, NM
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Re: [RBW] New Mexico listmembers?

[Ryan Watson]

What about Don? Are you still here?
Unless it cools down, any ride I organize will start after sunset!

Ryan in Albuquerque 



On Jun 20, 2012, at 14:51, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I think I know of three NM riders post onlist: there's Tim [Lastname]
> in Santa Fe who recently posted a sale; Ryan Watson in ABQ (who is
> usually Out of State riding brevets), and myself in ABQ.
> 
> Then there are, also, Tarik Saleh who may not be on this list but is
> worthy of it; Jamie; and one or two or three others who were on or
> loosely affiliated with the iBob list if not on this list. One taught
> at St. John's College and had or has a cycling blog.
> 
> Can anyone give an accurate census? Any interest in a group ride? I'd
> be interested in going to Santa Fe or perhaps having Ryan map out a
> ride in the east mountains.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: low-rider rack and bags

[Ryan Watson]

My latest obsession is minimalist front lowriders, so that new rack is indeed 
very appealing!

I had this one made by a local builder:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/7156035283/

But my favorite so far is this type from Watanabe:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4281844510_6d91353911_b.jpg

Cheers,
Ryan in Albuquerque  

On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:56, Mike  wrote:

> Smaller/front Sackville panniers combined with a basket would probably be a 
> perfect combo for s24o gear, or at least for me. I've really grown to like 
> panniers in recent years. I can't abide by messenger bags anymore and while I 
> love saddlebags i always get a little nervous when I leave one attached to my 
> bike while my bike is locked up. Panniers that can be easily removed from the 
> bike are a great solution. I know in Just Ride Grant mentions that the sight 
> of a bike with one pannier doesn't seem right but it doesn't bother me, 
> especially for commuting or running errands.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: low-rider rack and bags

[Ryan Watson]

It was built by Chauncey Matthews in Belen, NM. 
I knew he was the guy after seeing the nice minimalist rear rack he made for 
Patrick!
He also made a cool adjustable-offset fork for my pal Eli.  

Ryan




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> Ryan:
> 
> That rack by your local builder is wonderful.  Too many racks have
> bars, loops, hooks, etc., that don't serve any obvious purpose.  Both
> Tubus and Nitto make great products but they get a bit busy looking.
> My Nitto Big Back Rack is guilty of this over-build syndrome.
> Hopefully Riv can keep the simple, clean look for this front rack.
> 
> BTW:  Who's the guy who built your front rack?
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Jun 22, 7:41 am, Ryan Watson  wrote:
>> My latest obsession is minimalist front lowriders, so that new rack is 
>> indeed very appealing!
>> 
>> I had this one made by a local builder:
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/7156035283/
>> 
>> But my favorite so far is this type from Watanabe:
>> 
>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4281844510_6d91353911_b.jpg
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ryan in Albuquerque
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:56, Mike  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Smaller/front Sackville panniers combined with a basket would probably be a 
>>> perfect combo for s24o gear, or at least for me. I've really grown to like 
>>> panniers in recent years. I can't abide by messenger bags anymore and while 
>>> I love saddlebags i always get a little nervous when I leave one attached 
>>> to my bike while my bike is locked up. Panniers that can be easily removed 
>>> from the bike are a great solution. I know in Just Ride Grant mentions that 
>>> the sight of a bike with one pannier doesn't seem right but it doesn't 
>>> bother me, especially for commuting or running errands.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: low-rider rack and bags

[Ryan Watson]

Here's a busy looking rack!

http://wallbike.com/blog/2012/06/18/rack-lady-racks/


On Jun 22, 2012, at 19:05, dougP  wrote:

> Ryan:
> 
> That rack by your local builder is wonderful.  Too many racks have
> bars, loops, hooks, etc., that don't serve any obvious purpose.  Both
> Tubus and Nitto make great products but they get a bit busy looking.
> My Nitto Big Back Rack is guilty of this over-build syndrome.
> Hopefully Riv can keep the simple, clean look for this front rack.
> 
> BTW:  Who's the guy who built your front rack?
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Jun 22, 7:41 am, Ryan Watson  wrote:
>> My latest obsession is minimalist front lowriders, so that new rack is 
>> indeed very appealing!
>> 
>> I had this one made by a local builder:
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/7156035283/
>> 
>> But my favorite so far is this type from Watanabe:
>> 
>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4281844510_6d91353911_b.jpg
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ryan in Albuquerque
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:56, Mike  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Smaller/front Sackville panniers combined with a basket would probably be a 
>>> perfect combo for s24o gear, or at least for me. I've really grown to like 
>>> panniers in recent years. I can't abide by messenger bags anymore and while 
>>> I love saddlebags i always get a little nervous when I leave one attached 
>>> to my bike while my bike is locked up. Panniers that can be easily removed 
>>> from the bike are a great solution. I know in Just Ride Grant mentions that 
>>> the sight of a bike with one pannier doesn't seem right but it doesn't 
>>> bother me, especially for commuting or running errands.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Please recommend 650b puncture resisitant tires.

[Ryan Watson]

The Grand Bois Hetres have been the most flat resistant tires I've ever used. 
I know I shouldn't say things like that out loud, but they really are wonderful 
tires!

Ryan




On Jun 22, 2012, at 18:18, lungimsam  wrote:

> What do y'all use? My favorite Continental Gatorskins only come in 650bx 23c 
> size.
> Thanks for any recommendations.
> I would use 28-32 tires.
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Re: [RBW] What does a light set of metal fenders actually weigh?

[Ryan Watson]

A set of 35mm wide 700c Electra Ticino alloy fenders weighs 390g on my scale. 
Not quite wide enough for your Jack Browns.
This does not include the 4 fasteners to to attach the stays to the dropouts 
nor the bolt for the chainstay bridge. It does include fender-to-stay hardware 
and tangs for attaching to the front and rear brake bolts.
I'd guess a compete set wide enough for jack browns would be 500-ish.

FYI Berthoud stainless 650bx60mm fenders (just the actual fenders, no stays or 
other hardware) weigh 500g.

Ryan





On Dec 20, 2011, at 13:21, William  wrote:

> I'm dwelling on some numbers and I'm curious what a lightish set of aluminum 
> fenders weigh.  If any of you weighed yours before putting them on, I'd 
> appreciate it.  Rounded to the nearest 100g would be fine.  I'm looking at 
> narrowish 700C, like what you'd use to cover Jack Browns.  I don't know if 
> it's 200g, 500g or 800g.  
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Re: [RBW] What does a light set of metal fenders actually weigh?

[Ryan Watson]

On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:33, David Yu Greenblatt  
wrote:

> Thanks Ryan.
> So is the rule of thumb that for a given size/width Honjo aluminum fenders 
> are lighter than Gilles Berthoud stainless steel fenders? That would 
> certainly make sense.

Seems logical to me, though I don't have similar sized ones to compare without 
taking a bike apart.



> How about stays and fasteners--is there a difference in weight between Honjo 
> and Berthoud?

I doubt there's any real difference. Maybe a little less with the Berthoud with 
the plastic fasteners. 


> Are Berthoud stays and fasteners compatible with Honjo fenders?

They are interchangeable, but if the fenders are pre drilled for one type, you 
might need new holes and/or have unused holes leftover if you switch. 
Aluminum foil tape is great for hole patching!

> I am trying to decide what kind of fenders to mount on a custom 650B rando 
> bike that is transitioning from the daydreaming to the planning stage.

If you're running nothing bigger than a Hetre, the VO Zeppelins are by far my 
favorite. Cheaper than the others, too!


> I like the super long versions of the Honjo fenders. And some of the hammered 
> and fluted versions look gorgeous on the right bike.
> But I think I prefer the Berthoud stays & mounting hardware.

I think you can buy them separately. I have Berthoud hardware on my Kogswell PR 
Black alloy fenders. 

These Honjo fasteners are awesome:
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-389/Honjo-Hardware-Deluxe-Allen/Detail

Here is a photo I took comparing some 650B fenders:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/3515429029/

Cheers,
Ryan

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Re: [RBW] What does a light set of metal fenders actually weigh?

[Ryan Watson]

On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:15, David Yu Greenblatt  
wrote:

> Thanks for the detailed reply, Ryan.
> 
> I don't fully understand how the "Deluxe" Honjo hardware works. Does it 
> replace the standard "R-clips" to attach the stays to the dropouts?
> http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-389/Honjo-Hardware-Deluxe-Allen/Detail
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/honjo-r-clips-4mm-single-771.html
> Or do you use it to attach the fenders to the stays?
> Do you have a photo of the deluxe hardware in use on a bike?

Here you go! 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/5391774863/in/photostream


>  
> I already have a set of VO 650Bx58mm fluted fenders, and yesterday I ordered 
> a set of Honjo 650Bx50mm hammered fenders from VO (taking advantage of their 
> sale and free shipping), so I will have at least two options for my future 
> bike, which I think I am going to mostly use with 38mm Lierre or Pari-Moto 
> tires.
>  
> The VO Zepellin fenders do look cool, though. Are you using two darumas per 
> stay, and covering the pre-drilled hole with aluminum tape?

That's exactly what I did :-)
The latest batch of Zeppelins now use two bolts per stay.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 46 Noodles swapped for 42s

[Ryan Watson]

I'm the freak who needs 48cm bars and a 120mm q-factor! 



On Feb 12, 2012, at 7:11, Mike  wrote:

> On Feb 12, 4:19 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
>> Likewise, this is why I've never agreed with a narrow Q-factor being best
>> for all. It mskes sense thst if shoulders are wider hips will be also.
> 
> I have to agree with Robert on this. My randonneuring bike has VO TA
> knock-offs with the narrow q-factor and it just doesn't feel right
> where as the Suginos, double and triple, that I'm running on other
> bikes feel much better.
> 
> I have 48 Noodles on my LHT and love them for riding off-road and with
> a load. My Hilsen and rando bike sport 46s. I've loved the Noodles but
> they do have a long reach and drop. I just put a pair of Salsa Cowbell
> 3 bars in 46 on my Cross Check and will head out for a ride in a
> little while. I really like the short reach and drop on the bars. They
> flare out also which is nice. I could actually see riding them in 44
> on a dedicated road bike.
> 
> I signed up for the Cascade 1200k in June. I've been contemplating
> changes for my rando bike, possibly a different bar and cranks.
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Re: [RBW] 650b Alternatives to Pari Motos.

[Ryan Watson]

I can't say enough good things about the Grand Bois Hetres. I also found the 
Pari-motos to be too flat prone for regular use. The Hetres roll almost as 
smooth but been much better for flat resistance and longevity for me. Best I've 
ever ridden, actually.

Ryan in Albuquerque 



On Mar 27, 2012, at 9:11, RJM  wrote:

> I am looking for some alternatives to Pari Motos for my Sam.  I have been 
> having a problem with flats with these tires, and they seem like they are 
> wearing out quicker than I would like. Looking for something that will still 
> have some performance and won't be sluggish on the road but will still be 
> able to take some road abuse.  I have a spare wheelset with Fatty Rumpkins 
> for dirt and touring so I have that kind of stuff covered.  Any ideas, 
> recommendations or opinions?
>  
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting blog entry (and comments/replies) from Jan Heine's blog

[Ryan Watson]

Apologies if someone already mentioned this, but...
Long before I ever heard the name Jan Heine or the term "planing," It was Grant 
Petersen who first brought the phenomenon to my attention.
The 1992 Bridgestone catalog has an article on p. 34 explaining why they 
preferred skinny tubing on their bikes when the rest of the world was going OS. 
It's called "The Benefits of a Little Frame Flex" and compared it to jumping 
higher on a sprung wooden floor as opposed to a hard concrete floor. 
One quote: "A bike frame flexes under the pressure of pedaling, and, as it 
recovers from the flex, releases some of that energy to help you go."
I've always wondered why Grant changed his mind and went with stiff OS tubing 
on Rivendell bikes.

Cheers,
Ryan in Albuquerque



On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:28, ted  wrote:

> "Jan has tried to explain that, mainly he came up with the term when
> he was first thinking about the issue, IIRC.  He borrowed the term
> from boating."
> 
> Interesting. It is precisely because of the terms use in boating that
> I find his application perplexing and a source of confusion.
> When a boat planes it is running more over the water than through it.
> It's also a phenomena that requires a minimum speed to realize, and
> there is a hump in resistance before reaching planing speeds where
> resistance is greater than it is after you get the boat up and
> planing. Seems like it just doesn't fit as a label for a desirable
> oscillating bottom bracket motion.
> 
> On Aug 6, 10:41 pm, Tim McNamara  wrote:
>> Jan has tried to explain that, mainly he came up with the term when he was 
>> first thinking about the issue, IIRC.  He borrowed the term from boating.
>> 
>> One problem is that what's stiff to Jan and Mark might be noodly to me, 
>> since I am probably 60 lbs heavier and 6" taller than they are.  My 
>> "fastest" bike (according to my average speeds, anyway, but again there are 
>> too many uncontrolled variables) is my Ritchey, which also has the stiffest 
>> BB due to the ovalized seat tube.
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:42 PM, ted  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Certainly fads or styles or whatever have ebbed and flowed over
>>> whether or not a noodly frame is undesirable, or how stiff is stiff
>>> enough, or if stiff is harsh and uncomfortable, or whatever, but I
>>> think Jan is fairly unique in claiming categorically that the right
>>> flex is faster, and enough faster that a stiff bike can't be a good
>>> "performance" bike.
>> 
>>> Im still not quite sure exactly what he is advocating. If its about
>>> beneficial interaction between pedaling action and bb flex I don't get
>>> why thats called planing. Does somebody here know?
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 8:55 pm, Tim McNamara  wrote:
 On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>> 
> On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 19:21 -0700, ted wrote:
>> 
>> I wouldn't say a complete kook, but a bit kooky maybe. Certainly he
>> even describes himself a well outside of mainstream thought on these
>> topics. I suspect that "planing" is only mostly settled in the view of
>> those who believe Jan (which I doubt is a majority of any relevant
>> group except perhaps BQ subscribers).
>> 
> Well outside the "stiffer is always better" school of thought, for sure.
> A downright heretic in that respect.  As for the rest, don't be so sure:
> they referred to what he calls "planing" as "a lively ride" back in the
> day, and bikes that had it were highly respected and enjoyed.
>> 
 True enough.  Various aspects of bike frame design have been serially 
 overemphasized over the course of decades, including BB stiffness, 
 chainstay length, chainstay and seatstay diameters, etc.  The power loss 
 from BB flex is probably close enough to nil as makes no difference, even 
 with "noodly" frames.  I like mine to be stiff enough to make derailleur 
 rub rare because it's annoying, but I've never actually been able to feel 
 any power loss from frame flex.  Someone already mentioned Sean Kelly who 
 won monuments and Classics, the maillot vert, the Vuelta a Espana, etc., 
 on one of the most notoriously noodly frames ever made, the Vitus 979.  If 
 the frame flex handicapped him, well that's actually just kind of 
 frightening...
>> 
 Allan referenced the idea of a bike frame as a spring which is actually 
 correct.  It is a spring.  There are several springs on a bike- the frame, 
 the handlebars, the wheels (especially laterally but also radially), the 
 saddle, etc.  In the case of bars, frame and radial wheel flex the 
 distances involved are tenths to hundreds of an inch.  Lateral wheel flex, 
 especially the rear wheel, can be relatively large (e.g., 1/8 to 1/4 inch) 
 under normal use.  A lot of these can be quantified with strain gauges, 
 which might be an interesting study.  Can "planing" be objectively 
 measured and compared to the subjective expe

Re: [RBW] Tokyo Cycle Show ( Picture Set )

[Ryan Watson]

On Nov 5, 2012, at 22:55, Tokyo Crank  wrote:

> Hello
> 
> Not directly Rivendell related but I hope some might find it of some 
> interest. I attended Tokyo Cyclemode on Sunday, the largest annual cycle show 
> open to the public in Japan. It was 50km or so from home, so I cycled over 
> and took some snaps of the things that interested me. On entering, I spent 
> about 30 seconds in the carbon-racy-electric-gruppo-lycra-powermeter area, 
> which was admittedly large and busy, and then moved on to an area where I 
> felt much more at home.
> 
> Too many pictures to post directly, but you can see the full set here : 
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjCHtu9t
> 
> I hope the link works. I did have a small Rivendell surprise while touring 
> the show. You will see it in the picture set.
> 
> Paul
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Re: [RBW] Rear Safety lights that screw into seatstay braze ons.

[Ryan Watson]

If anyone's interested, I've got one of those Kimura stay-mounted taillights 
that I'm likely not going to use. 
It includes the little mounting bracket. 
See light and bracket here:
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/kimura_lights.html
Never been mounted, how about $90 shipped? 

Ryan in Albuquerque 


On Nov 12, 2012, at 23:23, Tokyo Crank  wrote:

> Grand Bois do one :
> 
> http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/kimura_TL07.html
> 
> Pic:
> 
> http://flic.kr/p/dqHsRc
> 
> Paul
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Re: [RBW] Are Brooks Saddle Worth the Money?

[Ryan Watson]

Last year, I attempted two 1200K randonees. In both cases, I bailed shortly 
after 1000 km due to sleep deprivation and general exhaustion, but thanks to my 
trusty Brooks B-17, my butt was never sore!
If I had to, I'd probably pay $500 for one since no other saddle, leather or 
otherwise, understands my complex hiney. 

Ryan in Albuquerque 

On Nov 23, 2012, at 17:57, Ray Shine  wrote:

> I'll add an anecdotal story…
> 
> A couple of years back, I rode a long distance ride from SF to Ok City with 
> an Aussie and a Brit (no, this is not a bad bar joke). Both of those fellows 
> were riding on expensive plastic gel saddles, me a moderately priced Brooks 
> B17 on my Atlantis. It was a 6 week-ride, and I never suffered any discomfort 
> or other butt malady during the ride. I never rode in padded shorts.
> 
> My companions, however, spent most of the ride in high discomfort if not all 
> out agony. It was very hot most days, and their sweating butts broke out in 
> all sorts of hot-spots and saddle sores. They each tried a new and softer 
> saddle, even more padding, lotions and salves, etc., and nothing relieved 
> their problems. I tried to explain that it was rather counter-intuitive, but 
> the more firm the saddle and less padded the butt, the more comfortable it 
> would be. I explained that the brooks was really a very taught suspended 
> platform that conformed to my butt and allowed some air flow, but neither 
> bought into my explanation, and each just kept salving up at each stop and 
> complaining.
> 
> From: Ron Mc 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Fri, November 23, 2012 2:32:46 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Are Brooks Saddle Worth the Money?
> 
> Is your butt worth it ?  Mine is. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Ryan Watson]

Rob at Ocean Air Cycles told me $340, which I believe included rings. 

On Dec 5, 2012, at 10:09, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> I saw that too, and while they say "more affordable" than the normal OX801D 
> (which is like, $500, right?) they don't mention a specific price point.  
> Wonder how much it'll be.  Probably not XD2 cheap, but hopefully not too bad.
> 
> In any case, another good option for wide range doubles...If it's cheap 
> enough, I may finally try one of these newfangled (now 10 years old) external 
> bottom brackets.  
> 
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>> 
>> Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any better 
>> or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that there are 
>> getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if this will be 
>> any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. 
>> 
>> http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html
>> 
>> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why all the miles?

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On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:35, Esteban  wrote:

> I'll echo everything Mike has written here.  I'll add something simple: 
> ADVENTURE. 

Exactly!
Someone (on a brevet, I think) told me: "If you don't wish you were somewhere 
else at least once, it's not really an adventure". 
More and more, though, for me that happens before I even start riding. I wish I 
were still in bed! I really don't understand why all brevets have to start in 
the wee hours of the morning. 

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Headset Issue

[Ryan Watson]

The Miche needle bearing headset is, as far as I know, still available. Rene 
Herse/Boulder Bikes has them. It totally cured my Shimmy Monster (650B Boulder 
All-Road prototype)

Ryan




On Jul 28, 2011, at 8:25, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> I think Jan Heine once said needle bearing headsets help.
> I read somewhere that the one he prefers (Miche, I think?) is, of course, out 
> of production.
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Re: [RBW] Dime size patches

[Ryan Watson]

Patrick,

I special order the little Einstein patches from Rivendell in bags of 100. 
Just call and ask and they can usually get em within a few days. Around $25
Originally they were the little blue Velox ones, but in the last batch they 
were orange and slightly larger. Still close to "dime size" though. 

Ryan




On Sep 21, 2011, at 13:59, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> If one wants to buy such small patches in bulk, where can he find
> them? I've got plenty of patches but they are all nickel sized or
> better and the dimers would work better on skinny and very light
> tubes.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> (Long, tedious anecdote about Carlos P. Romulo responding to tall
> Texan who bent down and asked him, "So: how does it feel to hang out
> with the big boys?" "Like a dime among nickels.")
> 
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> For professional resumes, contact
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Re: [RBW] Re: No DT shifter boss

[Ryan Watson]

I much prefer DT shifters, too.
Has anyone come out with clamp-on DT bosses for larger sized down tubes?
When I had my Bleriot, I searched high and low and couldn't find anything 
suitable.
FYI: if you have DT bosses but use STI or whatever, I've found that many shops 
will just give you those little adapters. They're included with the shifters, 
but most modern bikes don't use them, so shops end up with a whole box of them. 
Regarding those 3rd bottle cage mounts under the DT: I've owned five such bikes 
and have never been able to actually put a bottle down there because it would 
hit the small chainring. 
The only thing that I've ever put down there is that nifty little Nitto spare 
tire carrier.

Ryan




On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:54, Ryan J  wrote:

> I have a Sam Hillborne and went with barends for it, but I honestly prefer 
> downtube shifting because of the ease of setup and lack of shifter cables on 
> the bars.  The sloping toptube argument seems like a good one for lack of 
> bosses, but I think with my next bike, which will either be a Roadeo or a 
> Hilsen, will be setup with downtubes.  I still really love the Hillborne 
> though, even with the shifter cables up on the bars.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jack Browns - Tires For The Future?

[Ryan Watson]

On Sep 29, 2011, at 16:46, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> We are fortunate here in NM; our roads are quite good with regular
> upkeep and improvements like bike lanes.

I'm not sure what alternate universe Patrick rides in, but most of the NM roads 
I ride are in pretty rough shape. 
I ride those fat 650Bs for a reason!

Cheers,
Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Mudflap in or out?

[Ryan Watson]

I zip-tie my leather mud flap to a small piece of plastic. Old piece of credit 
card works great. I trim the plastic bit to just the right width so that it 
"snaps" in place between the rolled edges on the underside of the fender. This 
holds the flap in place and gives a clean look with no fender modification at 
all. 
Does that make any sense? It was easier to do than to explain!
I'll try and snap a pic later. 

Ryan




On Dec 4, 2011, at 17:07, James Black  wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:40, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>> When mounting a (leather) mudflap to (Honjo) daruma bolts of a fender,
>> is it better to go inboard or out?
> 
> I think the flap should go outboard, because if it is inboard it could
> disrupt the flow of water out the bottom of the fender. That said, in
> a recent issue of BQ there were instructions about how to put a flap
> inboard and secured by the rolled-over edges of the fender. If I were
> to put a mudflap inboard, I would probably put some tape over the top
> on the inside in order to smooth the transition, to make it more like
> a ramp and less like a curb.
> 
> James Black
> Los Angeles, CA
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