[RBW] Re: What worked and what didn't in the rain and hail this morning

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Thanks for all the replies.
The weather this mornig was just as bad as yesterday. The main highway
here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
slower in waterproof pants :)

Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it does
can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year. Next
time I'm feeling flush.

We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a few
weeks ago. More people showed up during the war with Gaza when rockets
were falling than the following week when it was raining. Funny world.
Or maybe not so funny.

Jay

On Jan 8, 2:50 am, Michael  wrote:
> > @Ryan:
> > Wy wife brought back 2 from China last summer.
> > They are thick material and look like they can last a long time. Hooded,
> > with a bill. Reflective strip on back. No thumb loops though. It has a clip
> > in the front, but not sure where it is supposed to clip to on the bike.
> > Covers the bars well. Long at the back end.
> > Under the helmet, no probs seeing when I turn my head to look into my tiny
> > rear view mirror on my glasses. Works pretty well. But I have nothing to
> > compare it to.
> > I can feel air circulate under it so I don't sweat, except where the thing
> > lays on my shoulders. But not much sweat.
>
> I think they were like 10 bucks or less each. Her nephew said they last a
> long time.
>
> *Side note:*
> Curious thing about Cantonese commuter cycling culture is that they don't
> seem afraid to leave their bikes out in the rain all the time or care about
> helmets or bike fit. (my wife says bike fitting is an "American" thing - ha
> ha!).
> Of course, doesn't seem like you could go more than 10mph in the city there
> on a bike. My wife used to cycle for 4 hour trips to other villages, but
> they never cared about fit.
>
> Back to your regularly scheduled topic...

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[RBW] Rain follow up

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Thanks for all the replies.
The weather this mornig was just as bad as yesterday. The main
highway
here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
slower in waterproof pants :)

Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it
does
can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year.
Next
time I'm feeling flush.


We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a
few
weeks ago. More people showed up during the war with Gaza when
rockets
were falling than the following week when it was raining. Funny
world.
Or maybe not so funny.


Jay

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[RBW] Re: Rain follow up

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Thanks for all the replies yesterday.
The weather this morning was just as bad as yesterday. The main
highway
here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
slower in waterproof pants :)

Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it
does
can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year.
Next
time I'm feeling flush.


We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a
few
weeks ago. More people showed up during the war with Gaza when
rockets
were falling than the following week when it was raining. Funny
world.
Or maybe not so funny.


Jay


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[RBW] Re: Rain follow up

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Gloves are Sealskinz. They work great.

On Jan 8, 11:17 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies yesterday.
> The weather this morning was just as bad as yesterday. The main
> highway
> here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
> everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
> slower in waterproof pants :)
>
> Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
> Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
> light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
> water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
> Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
> issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it
> does
> can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
> pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year.
> Next
> time I'm feeling flush.
>
> We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
> rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a
> few
> weeks ago. More people showed up during the war with Gaza when
> rockets
> were falling than the following week when it was raining. Funny
> world.
> Or maybe not so funny.
>
> Jay

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[RBW] Re: Fender on /off

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Michael,

That's how I do it.
First time I marked the stays with tape to remember where each one was
supposed to go.
Now I just leave them on and shove the whole thing on top of a closet.

Jay

On Jan 8, 3:00 am, Michael  wrote:
> > Here in MD, I will leave them on year round.  It rains pretty regular-like
> > here in the Spring and Summer, and fall.
>
> It took me a while to get mine set up. But I imagine, you could easily
> remove them from the attachment points without messing up the stays set-up.
> In theory, you could remount them and have the same stay setup. 4 points
> for the rear fender. 3 points for front fender.
>
> Anyone tried this? Does it work out that easily.
>
> Also, be prepared to know how to align and center your brakes, cuz you'll
> have to when dismounting/remounting the fenders.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Ritchey Super Logic Bottom Bracket - Price Drop

[Marty]

Price dropped to $30 shipped. Thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 21:57 -0800, Michael wrote:
> I really enjoy the stability alot. I feel much safer on it than on the
> race bike.
> I wonder if this is the way steel bikes feel in general, or is this
> the signature Rivendell "ride".


the latter



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[RBW] My Riv AllRounder

[Addison Wilhite]

I was reminiscing about all the fun I've had over the years and so I pulled
together this collection of photos.  Some good times and it's still going
strong.  I marvel at how adept it is at most things.  My first real ride on
it was a 60 mile multi-surface ride that got me lost somewhere along the
NV/CA border.  Good times!

Hope you enjoy:

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html


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[RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[Matthew J]

Race geometry has a lot to do with the 'nervous' handling of a race bike.  
 
If someone were to make a modern race bike with steel tubing, the 
experience would not be much different than riding a carbon fiber 
offering.  
 
On the other hand, a CF bike with Riv geometry would have similar ride 
characteristics to the Riv.  Arguably a CF Riv would damp vibrations less.  
But this could be managed with thicker CF tubing.  Of course then the bike 
would weigh in close to a steel Riv, obviating the primary reason for going 
CF.
On Monday, January 7, 2013 11:57:05 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

> I really enjoy the stability alot. I feel much safer on it than on the 
> race bike.
> I wonder if this is the way steel bikes feel in general, or is this the 
> signature Rivendell "ride".
>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Vibration damping has more to do with tire size/construction/pressure. It's 
probably true that the frame plays a bigger part in vibration damping for 
extremely high-pressure tires. Put some 700x23 at 120psi on your Atlantis, and 
the ride will be HARSH.

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[RBW] Luxos B dynamo light user review

[Toshi Takeuchi]

A couple of notes on the installation of the Luxos B dynamo light:

1. The light is much bigger than the Cyo light.
2. The bracket must angle upwards.  You can no longer mount the light
with the bracket angling downwards because the light cannot swivel to
the proper orientation.

Because I could not mount the light downwards, I needed to add a bunch
of washers/spacers to the front of my Mark's rack to have the light
clear my Acorn mini-rando bag.

--An immediate difference at start: gone is the dark spot in front of
the light. The light spits out a U of light with the bottom of the U
starting on the ground right in front of you, so you don't have to
worry about getting a nearfield light and losing out on distance.

The light output is quite ingenious--I think.  The way you align the
light is to have the light hit the ground about 30 feet in front of
you. What this does is put a big hotspot on the ground a little over a
lane wide in front of you. This gives you clear vision of any
obstacles in front of you, but there is still decent light within the
U which spreads out from the bike to the hotspot. In addition the
width of the light much wider than the Cyo--most of the 2 lane road.
Don't throw the hotspot into the horizon, put it on the ground--it
will improve the ride visibility immensely and you won't blind the
traffic.

The color of the light did not look too blue.  Without direct
comparison to the Cyo, it looked pretty similar to me.

The downside of the light could be that the only area that is as
bright as the Cyo is in that hotspot I mentioned earlier. The rest of
the illumination is less, so it is much easier to get distracted by
street lights.  If you do mostly city riding, then you probably don't
need or maybe wouldn't want this light.

For me, yes, I wish that whole area within the U was as bright as the
hotspot is, but for lighting what is most essential for safe and
enjoyable riding, the Luxos does a great job, and it is a big
improvement over the Cyo for me.

Toshi in Oakland, CA

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Re: [RBW] My Riv AllRounder

[Norman Bone]

AW-

Thanks for sharing those. I remember seeing pix of your AR before I ordered 
mine and thinking how awesome and fun it looked. Nice to be reminded of the 
utility and versatility of the mighty AR. Of course, orange makes it faster.

- Norm also with an orange AR in PDX





 From: Addison Wilhite 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:43 AM
Subject: [RBW] My Riv AllRounder
 

I was reminiscing about all the fun I've had over the years and so I pulled 
together this collection of photos.  Some good times and it's still going 
strong.  I marvel at how adept it is at most things.  My first real ride on it 
was a 60 mile multi-surface ride that got me lost somewhere along the NV/CA 
border.  Good times!

Hope you enjoy:

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html


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Re: [RBW] My Riv AllRounder

[Addison Wilhite]

Thanks!  Nice to hear there are some ARs out there.  I wonder how many
since Riv has kind of moved away from that initial design (although
arguably all of their bikes are ARs).

Regards,


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Norman Bone  wrote:

> AW-
>
> Thanks for sharing those. I remember seeing pix of your AR before I
> ordered mine and thinking how awesome and fun it looked. Nice to be
> reminded of the utility and versatility of the mighty AR. Of course, orange
> makes it faster.
>
> - Norm also with an orange AR in PDX
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Addison Wilhite 
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:43 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] My Riv AllRounder
>
> I was reminiscing about all the fun I've had over the years and so I
> pulled together this collection of photos.  Some good times and it's still
> going strong.  I marvel at how adept it is at most things.  My first real
> ride on it was a 60 mile multi-surface ride that got me lost somewhere
> along the NV/CA border.  Good times!
>
> Hope you enjoy:
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>
>
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Re: [RBW] My Riv AllRounder

[Norman Bone]

AW-

There's some in this pool on flickr.:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/allrounder/

-Norm





 From: Addison Wilhite 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] My Riv AllRounder
 

Thanks!  Nice to hear there are some ARs out there.  I wonder how many since 
Riv has kind of moved away from that initial design (although arguably all of 
their bikes are ARs).

Regards,



On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Norman Bone  wrote:

AW-
>
>Thanks for sharing those. I remember seeing pix of your AR before I ordered 
>mine and thinking how awesome and fun it looked. Nice to be reminded of the 
>utility and versatility of the mighty AR. Of course, orange makes it faster.
>
>- Norm also with an orange AR in PDX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Addison Wilhite 
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:43 AM
>Subject: [RBW] My Riv AllRounder
> 
>
>I was reminiscing about all the fun I've had over the years and so I pulled 
>together this collection of photos.  Some good times and it's still going 
>strong.  I marvel at how adept it is at most things.  My first real ride on it 
>was a 60 mile multi-surface ride that got me lost somewhere along the NV/CA 
>border.  Good times!
>
>
>Hope you enjoy:
>
>
>http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>
>
>
>-- 
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Re: [RBW] bar grip removal

[Steven Frederick]

I work the tapered end of a tupperware orange peeler under it so I
don't scratch the bars and squirt a little rubbing alcohol in there
with an oral syringe to lubricate and loosen it.  Works a charm!

http://list17.blogspot.com/2010/07/17-things-youve-seen-in-your-kitchen.html

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=17574

Steve

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, fulf  wrote:
> I'm planning to switch my bullmoose bars for albatrosses. Need to remove the
> ergo bar grips to do this and was wondering if the group had ideas how to do
> this without destroying the grips. They are not glued but don't budge when I
> try to loosen them. Any ideas would be appreciated.  Bill
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Re: [RBW] My Riv AllRounder

[cyclotourist]

It's great when a bike is so well designed and built that it will hold up
over so many years and in so many situations. Testament to the marque!


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Norman Bone  wrote:

> AW-
>
> There's some in this pool on flickr.:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/allrounder/
>
> -Norm
>
>
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> *From:* Addison Wilhite 
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] My Riv AllRounder
>
> Thanks!  Nice to hear there are some ARs out there.  I wonder how many
> since Riv has kind of moved away from that initial design (although
> arguably all of their bikes are ARs).
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Norman Bone  wrote:
>
> AW-
>
> Thanks for sharing those. I remember seeing pix of your AR before I
> ordered mine and thinking how awesome and fun it looked. Nice to be
> reminded of the utility and versatility of the mighty AR. Of course, orange
> makes it faster.
>
> - Norm also with an orange AR in PDX
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Addison Wilhite 
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:43 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] My Riv AllRounder
>
> I was reminiscing about all the fun I've had over the years and so I
> pulled together this collection of photos.  Some good times and it's still
> going strong.  I marvel at how adept it is at most things.  My first real
> ride on it was a 60 mile multi-surface ride that got me lost somewhere
> along the NV/CA border.  Good times!
>
> Hope you enjoy:
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
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[RBW] WTB 58 - 60cm Ram

[3wheelin]

I am wanting a used rodeo, but learned that they never come up for
sale, so thought I might try and see if anyone has a Rambouillet they
would part with. I have a pbh of 87.5 so thought either a 58cm or a
60cm...frame/fork or complete build...fingers crossed...thanks

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[RBW] Re: London bike shops?

[Savvas]

Ah - Condor Cycles! Mick Jagger's fave bike shop I hear.

Sam.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:46:27 AM UTC+10:30, Sam Day wrote:
>
> Condor cycles near King's Cross Station was a good shop when I lived out 
> there. I think they might be of help to you. 
>  
> http://www.condorcycles.com/
>  
> Good old shop that also builds frames and whatnot.  5-10 min stroll from 
> the train station.  
>  
> Have fun!
> Sam in Denvah
>
> On Sunday, January 6, 2013 5:59:10 PM UTC-7, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
>> I just registered for London-Endinburgh-London for August.  I'm starting 
>> to do some advanced intel on bike shops in London that might be able to 
>> help me with bike assembling, shipping, etc. 
>>
>> Let me know if you have any specific, cherished recommendations.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Lesli Larson
>> Eugene, OR
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Sam Hillborne

[sebseb]

hey jim, what pbh should one have for this frame? if it´s around 84 then I 
would be in the gameregards  -seb.

On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:53:14 PM UTC+1, Jim M. wrote:
>
> Orange, single top-tube, takes sidepull/centerpull brakes not canti's. 
>
> Frame/fork/headset/bb for $750 plus shipping, though I prefer a SF Bay 
> Area/N. Calif sale. 
>
> Some built-up photos here: 
> https://picasaweb.google.com/110622815911611774447/September282012 
>
> Great bike in great condition, a couple small paint scratches. My 
> proto-Bomba has taken its place, otherwise I wouldn't be selling it. 
>
> jim mather 
> walnut creek ca 
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[RBW] Fender on /off

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Thanks for the advice and tips

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[RBW] Re: bar grip removal

[Kieran J]

Just use water. Peel the lip of the grip away from the bars, drip some 
water in, then start twisting. 
 
KJ
 

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> I'm planning to switch my bullmoose bars for albatrosses. Need to remove 
> the ergo bar grips to do this and was wondering if the group had ideas how 
> to do this without destroying the grips. They are not glued but don't budge 
> when I try to loosen them. Any ideas would be appreciated.  Bill
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[RBW] Re: My Riv AllRounder

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Wonderful set of images.  Arguably, the A/R morphed into the Atlantis, and 
became the best-selling design of the Rivendell lineup.  But, every bike 
which GP designs seems to be eminently versatile in its own way.  Gorgeous 
set of photos, Addison.

- J

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Sam Hillborne

[Jim Mather]

Here's the Riv size chart:

PBH measurements and Sam Sizes:
75-81cm PBH = 48cm Sam
81-85cm PBH = 52cm Sam
84-89cm PBH = 56cm Sam
88-94cm PBH = 60cm Sam
94-101cm PBH = 64cm Sam

It's probably too tall for you. I have an 88.5 PBH, and you can see
that there is not much seat post showing.

Thanks
Jim

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, sebseb  wrote:
> hey jim, what pbh should one have for this frame? if it´s around 84 then I
> would be in the gameregards  -seb.
>
>
> On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:53:14 PM UTC+1, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> Orange, single top-tube, takes sidepull/centerpull brakes not canti's.
>>
>> Frame/fork/headset/bb for $750 plus shipping, though I prefer a SF Bay
>> Area/N. Calif sale.
>>
>> Some built-up photos here:
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/110622815911611774447/September282012
>>
>> Great bike in great condition, a couple small paint scratches. My
>> proto-Bomba has taken its place, otherwise I wouldn't be selling it.
>>
>> jim mather
>> walnut creek ca
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[RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Yep. 

And it's a combination of awareness of variables. 

To call out a couple:  Normal volume tires require clearance.  They also 
require you think about where you put the bottom bracket, as if you just 
slap a set of 44 cm tires onto frame designed for 23's (well, if you 
actually _could_ do so...) alluva sudden your bb has jumped a centimeter 
higher.  That changes how the bike enters and exits turns.  (Have to go way 
back into the archives to find the specific RR, but recall GP writing about 
how higher bb designs felt like they were in a trough. Probably 
paraphrasing and don't hold him responsible for my imprecise 
recollections...)

- J / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Advice on how to best obtain a 650b single speed?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Another vote for chain tensioner.  Back when folks used to ask why anyone 
would want a singlespeed, I bought the simple Surley one to play with on my 
MB1.  That's - crikey - 13 years ago   Slap some spacers on the hub and 
get a BMX splined singlespeed cog.  Maybe $45-50?   I've cooked three or 
four freehubs over the years, but it just works.  

Photos here - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg/2005/ssg001-cyclofiendmb1505.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/216944216/

- J / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Waterford Bombadil FFHS for Sale, single top tube-Last Notice before the Ebay

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

In the spirit of following up... After a cross country journey via UPS, 
this frame has been sitting in my basement for a couple weeks while Tommy 
rounded up parts. He doesn't quite have everything for the build yet but he 
came by yesterday to drop off what he does have. He wasn't planning to 
build anything but the lure of shiny bits, frame, and bike-stand in the 
same room was too much for him to 
bear.
 

The frame came with a front wheel. Somewhere along the parts gathering 
process I convinced Tommy that he should build his own rear wheel. I'm 
probably not the most qualified person to be giving wheel building 
instructions. Despite my limitations the wheel is coming 
together. 
It still needs a little fine tuning, but should be ready to roll in the 
next couple days.

--Smitty 



On Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:50:58 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> I really do hate to give money to Ebay for doing nothing but have not 
> had any solid offers here yet and need to make space in my small 
> apartment. I just know someone out there wants this beautiful frame. 
> Again Waterford built in 2011 52cm Bombadil 
> Frameset for sale. Bike has a custom paint job, Hunquapillar Grey with 
> cream accents, comes with dura-ace headset. Was bought new by fellow 
> list member in 2011 and riddent lightly so is really pretty new. Has 
> small scuff on seat tube decal and small mark where front deraileur 
> was, small scuff from some chain suck but no dents, dings or gouges. 
> Incredibly beautiful, needs a good home, priced to sell at $1,200 
> shipped but I am open to 
> offers. Email me with any questions. Link to Flikr page. 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ 
>
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[RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[Jeremy Till]

Although we don't like to talk about it here in our little world of lugs 
and quill stems, many mainstream CF bike manufacturers have started to 
realize the advantages of something closer to the Riv geometry. Many of 
them have "endurance" road models right up through the fanciest carbon 
fiber and component spec that feature taller headtubes and slacker angles 
than the full-on race-spec team machines.  Of course, there's still the 
matter of fit--these bikes are often fit a couple of sizes smaller than the 
Rivendell fitting philosophy, and riding a smaller bike is liable to feel 
squirrely and unstable when compared to a Riv with Riv geometry and Riv 
sizing.  


On Monday, January 7, 2013 8:32:59 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> a more stable, more predictable handling, safer feeling, with less road 
> vibration, bike than a modern geometry race bike?
>  
> Because this is what I experience on the Bleriot vs. my race type bike.
> Not sure if the frame or 40mm tires at low pressures contributes more to 
> this.
>  
> But was wondering if this was the intended effect of the designers at 
> Rivbike.
>  
>  
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[RBW] Re: Advice on how to best obtain a 650b single speed?

[Jeremy Till]

I'd say if you think you are pretty committed both to singlespeed riding 
and 650b wheels, then getting a 650b rear wheel with the White eccentric 
hub would be a good investment.  Think about it beyond just the 
Hillborne--with an eccentric 650b wheel, no matter what 650b frame you 
happen to have available in the future, you have the option to run it 
singlespeed.  



On Monday, January 7, 2013 3:02:02 PM UTC-8, Trevor saxton wrote:
>
> So I find myself with overlapping bikes and looking for a solution to 
> obtain a reasonably lightweight 650b single speed.
>
> I have a 52cm Hillborne and a 56cm Simplone that now directly overlap with 
> 2 other bikesa vo PolyValent and a vintage Bianchi that has sentimental 
> value, while ive commuted on the rivs I find that I prefer the PolyValent 
> for commuting mostly due to its unassuming and the Bianchi is now set up as 
> a 700c single speed road bike which will satisfy my weekend long rides 
> duty, and I am craving a 650b single speed as I adore single speed riding 
> and the 650b wheel size, 
>
> since I did not win the lottery it looks like I have 3 options..
>
> Buy a white industries eno hub wheel for the Hillborne cost about 250 
> locally 
> Take my Simplone to a local frame builder to reposition the cantis and a 
> reprint, cost about 400 
> Or sell both and get a custom --- hilsen roadeo mix...cost 3500 less 
> proceeds of sale. 
>
> Any advice? 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 52cm Waterford Bombadil FFHS for Sale, single top tube-Last Notice before the Ebay

[Peter Morgano]

Hey that bike looks familiar!  If I had a work area like yours Andy I would
try to braze my own frames, haha. Tommy was an awesome guy to work with and
wish him the best of luck building up the bike. Cant wait to see it get
dirty, though!

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> In the spirit of following up... After a cross country journey via UPS,
> this frame has been sitting in my basement for a couple weeks while Tommy
> rounded up parts. He doesn't quite have everything for the build yet but he
> came by yesterday to drop off what he does have. He wasn't planning to
> build anything but the lure of shiny bits, frame, and bike-stand in the
> same room was too much for him to 
> bear.
>
>
> The frame came with a front wheel. Somewhere along the parts gathering
> process I convinced Tommy that he should build his own rear wheel. I'm
> probably not the most qualified person to be giving wheel building
> instructions. Despite my limitations the wheel is coming 
> together.
> It still needs a little fine tuning, but should be ready to roll in the
> next couple days.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:50:58 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
>> I really do hate to give money to Ebay for doing nothing but have not
>> had any solid offers here yet and need to make space in my small
>> apartment. I just know someone out there wants this beautiful frame.
>> Again Waterford built in 2011 52cm Bombadil
>> Frameset for sale. Bike has a custom paint job, Hunquapillar Grey with
>> cream accents, comes with dura-ace headset. Was bought new by fellow
>> list member in 2011 and riddent lightly so is really pretty new. Has
>> small scuff on seat tube decal and small mark where front deraileur
>> was, small scuff from some chain suck but no dents, dings or gouges.
>> Incredibly beautiful, needs a good home, priced to sell at $1,200
>> shipped but I am open to
>> offers. Email me with any questions. Link to Flikr page.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**67889635@N06/
>>
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[RBW] Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Peter M]

So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in
Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome
on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I
have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color
is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something
metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am
worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier
bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas?

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Re: [RBW] Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Jim Mather]

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Peter M  wrote:
> Anyone have any pics of thier
> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas?
>


I'm partial to clear coat over bare metal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/8155803596/in/photostream

But purple and orange sound good too.

jim m
wc ca

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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I 
overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic was on 
the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who was 
asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another... All I 
really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said: "It's 
sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."

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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Garth]

I luv me some metallic paint also :)

Here's mine in Imron 4418 Lt. Frost Green Metallic 

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4076/4952416848_a31bc7751d_b.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4075/4860362770_e81b8b02f2_b.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4073/4860392084_69e20e8533_b.jpg

If you don't have an Imron color chart , here's one :
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:r_8uNY5Cmk0J:www.campyonly.com/images/joebell/imron.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgV73Xj7k_e5ZBOH4Bq81tZXiJhIyYm7yTuO05m8xQe0iDbyDdI84bLRN9n6r61iS6lLPbpmHBnKbNwcdSrxX-1qk_P1pwZPskWTtmvE7o_0WXkQQIOkpRuBC1umXO10xgDZ2EK&sig=AHIEtbRNmVvVP5Rfz91xXmPxdYNmpqn-rQ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Peter Morgano]

Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want and I
will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of neons.
Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement for
obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the frame
has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned about
where to just send the damn thing.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I
> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic was on
> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who was
> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another... All I
> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said: "It's
> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
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[RBW] Re: bar grip removal

[Ron Mc]

always push instead of pull - when you push you increase the diameter of 
the trip - when you pull, you contract it.  
The pressure-water and -air ideas are great.  

On Monday, January 7, 2013 12:33:39 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Just use water. Peel the lip of the grip away from the bars, drip some 
> water in, then start twisting. 
>  
> KJ
>  
>
> On Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:23:30 PM UTC-5, fulf wrote:
>
>> I'm planning to switch my bullmoose bars for albatrosses. Need to remove 
>> the ergo bar grips to do this and was wondering if the group had ideas how 
>> to do this without destroying the grips. They are not glued but don't budge 
>> when I try to loosen them. Any ideas would be appreciated.  Bill
>>
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[RBW] Bullmoose brake lever question

[BSWP]

I'm going to try the Bullmoose bars on my QuickBeam, as a test change from 
the 'M bars. It's easy enough to remove the moustache bars, brake levers 
and stem as a clean cockpit, leaving my tape wrap in place, for a quick 
change back later on. But for Bullmoose bars, has anyone experimented with 
placing the brake levers well to the inside and just building up tape wrap 
for a wide hand placement area? I think I'll try that, it would put the 
brake levers similar to where I'm used to them, and leave lost of room for 
moving my hands around.

And oh, are these Moosies wide! I'm not going to trim 'em narrower just 
yet, but slipping through traffic will be more interesting, that's for sure.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to pick the 
color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
>
> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate 
> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want and I 
> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of neons. 
> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement for 
> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the frame 
> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned about 
> where to just send the damn thing. 
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thil...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I 
>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic was on 
>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who was 
>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another... All I 
>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said: "It's 
>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Peter Morgano]

Garth, that is one pretty bike. I love the way it picks up the light.
Thanks for the color chart, maybe if I can whittle it down to 5-6 colors in
the next week I will be at least closer. :)

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want and I
> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of neons.
> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement for
> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the frame
> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned about
> where to just send the damn thing.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I
>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic was on
>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who was
>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another... All I
>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said: "It's
>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
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Re: [RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[PATRICK MOORE]

Stable, predictable, comfortable, but by no means sluggish: my Rivs (all
roads) turn in "intuitively" with no hesitation. In fact, they handle
quicker than other road bikes I've ridden. But the last one was built in
'03, so perhaps Grant's designs have moved toward slower turning? Certainly
the Sam Hill didn't turn in like my roads.

It will be interesting to ride the Ram and compare it to the roads. I
expect it will fall somewhere in between, which is probably good since I
just discovered it accepts 35 mm tires (34 mm actual -- Kojaks, on 27mm
rims with very possible room for flattish fenders if carefully installed.
30 mm tubulars !

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Rivs are stable, predictable & comfortable.  IMHO, they are the way a bike
> should ride.  So Grant has hit the mark on those issues.  Whether he gave
> any consideration to how his design would compare to a modern racing bike
> is a question only he can answer.  My uneducated guess is that both frame
> and tires contribute to these qualities.  I've ridden my Atlantis a couple
> of times with narrow, high pressure tires.  It "goes quicker" but the ride
> is awful & the handling twitchy, as may be expected of a bike designed for
> a minimum 35 mm width tire.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2013 8:32:59 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>
>> a more stable, more predictable handling, safer feeling, with less road
>> vibration, bike than a modern geometry race bike?
>>
>> Because this is what I experience on the Bleriot vs. my race type bike.
>> Not sure if the frame or 40mm tires at low pressures contributes more to
>> this.
>>
>> But was wondering if this was the intended effect of the designers at
>> Rivbike.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose brake lever question

[William]

I run my 'mooses with really long taped grips.  I don't remember the 
dimensions, but I could measure when I'm at home.  

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:04:51 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>
> I'm going to try the Bullmoose bars on my QuickBeam, as a test change from 
> the 'M bars. It's easy enough to remove the moustache bars, brake levers 
> and stem as a clean cockpit, leaving my tape wrap in place, for a quick 
> change back later on. But for Bullmoose bars, has anyone experimented with 
> placing the brake levers well to the inside and just building up tape wrap 
> for a wide hand placement area? I think I'll try that, it would put the 
> brake levers similar to where I'm used to them, and leave lost of room for 
> moving my hands around.
>
> And oh, are these Moosies wide! I'm not going to trim 'em narrower just 
> yet, but slipping through traffic will be more interesting, that's for sure.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[Ryan Ray]

I like my riv because I know all reasonable precautions have been taken for 
safety and comfort over trivial improvements on speed or weight or price.

Oh and yes, it looks great too.

- Ryan




On Monday, January 7, 2013 8:32:59 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> a more stable, more predictable handling, safer feeling, with less road 
> vibration, bike than a modern geometry race bike?
>  
> Because this is what I experience on the Bleriot vs. my race type bike.
> Not sure if the frame or 40mm tires at low pressures contributes more to 
> this.
>  
> But was wondering if this was the intended effect of the designers at 
> Rivbike.
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: My Riv AllRounder

[Ryan]

Classic and classy. I particularly like the moustache bar 
configuration...that is what mine wears...but it doesn't have that elegant 
Harlequin wrapping..
On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:43:41 AM UTC-6, Addison wrote:

> I was reminiscing about all the fun I've had over the years and so I 
> pulled together this collection of photos.  Some good times and it's still 
> going strong.  I marvel at how adept it is at most things.  My first real 
> ride on it was a 60 mile multi-surface ride that got me lost somewhere 
> along the NV/CA border.  Good times! 
>
> Hope you enjoy:
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>
>
> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Sam Hillborne

[Dan McNamara]

I have a PBH of 84 and used to have a 56 Sam. The 60 is going to be too big for 
you. Unless you are really against the double TT the all blue Sams on special 
at Riv seem like a great deal on a 56. 

Dan

Marin

On Jan 7, 2013, at 2:17 PM, sebseb  wrote:

> hey jim, what pbh should one have for this frame? if it´s around 84 then I 
> would be in the gameregards  -seb.
> 
> On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:53:14 PM UTC+1, Jim M. wrote:
>> 
>> Orange, single top-tube, takes sidepull/centerpull brakes not canti's. 
>> 
>> Frame/fork/headset/bb for $750 plus shipping, though I prefer a SF Bay 
>> Area/N. Calif sale. 
>> 
>> Some built-up photos here: 
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/110622815911611774447/September282012 
>> 
>> Great bike in great condition, a couple small paint scratches. My 
>> proto-Bomba has taken its place, otherwise I wouldn't be selling it. 
>> 
>> jim mather 
>> walnut creek ca
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[RBW] 64cm Atlantis on the ebay machine

[William]

I don't have any affiliation with the seller.  Seems like an incredible 
deal, even though it was broken and repaired in it's life.  

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Atlantis-Bike-Frame-64cm-lugged-steel-touring-frame-/160952073190?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item25797dbbe6

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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[IanA]

Orange.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:39:52 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in 
> Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome 
> on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I 
> have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color 
> is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something 
> metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am 
> worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier 
> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bullmoose brake lever question

[René Sterental]

IIRC, M bars use road brake levers whereas Bullmoose bars (regular + Bosco)
require MTB brake levers due to their different diameter. Cables are also
going to be different.

René


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:29 AM, William  wrote:

> I run my 'mooses with really long taped grips.  I don't remember the
> dimensions, but I could measure when I'm at home.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:04:51 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to try the Bullmoose bars on my QuickBeam, as a test change
>> from the 'M bars. It's easy enough to remove the moustache bars, brake
>> levers and stem as a clean cockpit, leaving my tape wrap in place, for a
>> quick change back later on. But for Bullmoose bars, has anyone experimented
>> with placing the brake levers well to the inside and just building up tape
>> wrap for a wide hand placement area? I think I'll try that, it would put
>> the brake levers similar to where I'm used to them, and leave lost of room
>> for moving my hands around.
>>
>> And oh, are these Moosies wide! I'm not going to trim 'em narrower just
>> yet, but slipping through traffic will be more interesting, that's for sure.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bullmoose brake lever question

[BSWP]

Yup. All covered on that front. I'm leaving the very nice non-aero levers 
and cables on the M-bars, to maintain a modular cockpit. All I will need to 
do to change over is pull out the stem and reconnect cables.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:34:58 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>
> IIRC, M bars use road brake levers whereas Bullmoose bars (regular + 
> Bosco) require MTB brake levers due to their different diameter. Cables are 
> also going to be different.
>  
> René
>
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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Greg J]

There's a dark purple rambouillet on the cyclofiend website, I think, which 
looks stunning.  And I'm not even a fan of purple normally.  Definitely 
check it out.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:39:52 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in 
> Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome 
> on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I 
> have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color 
> is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something 
> metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am 
> worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier 
> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[René Sterental]

I had the same issue when trying to choose custom colors. First one was on
the Bombadil, and after choosing an almost black dark green found that the
painter either chose another dark green color due to him not having the
Imron one I had chosen, or that the color I chose looked completetely
different when painted on the frame vs. what I had imagined it would look
like. Could never tell, but learned a valuable lesson: Colors look
different in charts than they do on real objects!

I was dissapointed with the Bombadil's color, but luckily, the current
owner just loved it.

When I needed to repaint the Atlantis, after much debate and going back and
forth, as well as countless photo reviews on Flickr, I decided that Grant's
original color choice was the best option for it. I asked the painter
(Riv's local painter) to repaint it with the original Atlantis colors and
just added a panel on the downtube with a different decal to differentiate
it from the stock configuration and make it unique and personal. The color
came out very lovely, but when compared side by side with the original
fork, it's different. I was already warned to expect that, but does it mean
that there isn't a single official color, that the different painters use
different brands with colors that are supposed to be equivalent or that the
quality control at Imron sucks? Or, perhaps, that the effects of time and
sun on the paint will change it?

Now I have to send the Hunqapillar for a repaint since it's got its new
fork, the one thing I know is that I don't like the original gray color.
Funnily enough, when the painter gave the new fork a quick coat of gray
paint so I could start riding it right away, the gray coat he gave matches
the original color from Japan perfectly...

Still, I had originally thought to have it repainted in silver, after
seeing some great photos of a silver Atlantis. He suggested going to pewter
instead, and after finding photos of another pewter Atlantis (I believe)
online, I started going back and forth and am still undecided...

Isn't it funny how a simple choice can be so difficult to make?

René


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:08 PM, IanA  wrote:

> Orange.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:39:52 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in
>> Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome
>> on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I
>> have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color
>> is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something
>> metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am
>> worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier
>> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bullmoose brake lever question

[René Sterental]

Great! I was actually thinking about trying reverse brake levers on Bosco
Bullmoose bars, just to see. On the regular Bullmoose bars, I think the
brake levers on the standard position work very well. Let me know how you
work it out with your configuration and post photos. It may be worth trying
it as well.

René


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM, BSWP  wrote:

> Yup. All covered on that front. I'm leaving the very nice non-aero levers
> and cables on the M-bars, to maintain a modular cockpit. All I will need to
> do to change over is pull out the stem and reconnect cables.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:34:58 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>>
>> IIRC, M bars use road brake levers whereas Bullmoose bars (regular +
>> Bosco) require MTB brake levers due to their different diameter. Cables are
>> also going to be different.
>>
>> René
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose brake lever question

[Joe Bernard]

I think this is an excellent plan. I find the Bullmoose to be about an inch 
too wide on either side with standard MTB grips mounted on the ends. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:04:51 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:

> I'm going to try the Bullmoose bars on my QuickBeam, as a test change from 
> the 'M bars. It's easy enough to remove the moustache bars, brake levers 
> and stem as a clean cockpit, leaving my tape wrap in place, for a quick 
> change back later on. But for Bullmoose bars, has anyone experimented with 
> placing the brake levers well to the inside and just building up tape wrap 
> for a wide hand placement area? I think I'll try that, it would put the 
> brake levers similar to where I'm used to them, and leave lost of room for 
> moving my hands around.
>
> And oh, are these Moosies wide! I'm not going to trim 'em narrower just 
> yet, but slipping through traffic will be more interesting, that's for sure.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[Joe Bernard]

Rivs have an almost magical ability to float and swoop and dive over just 
about any surface. Don't kid yourselves about comparisons to other bikes: 
There's something special in them tubes :-)
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:33:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:

> I like my riv because I know all reasonable precautions have been taken 
> for safety and comfort over trivial improvements on speed or weight or 
> price.
>
> Oh and yes, it looks great too.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2013 8:32:59 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>
>> a more stable, more predictable handling, safer feeling, with less road 
>> vibration, bike than a modern geometry race bike?
>>  
>> Because this is what I experience on the Bleriot vs. my race type bike.
>> Not sure if the frame or 40mm tires at low pressures contributes more to 
>> this.
>>  
>> But was wondering if this was the intended effect of the designers at 
>> Rivbike.
>>  
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain follow up

[ted]

"So I would need several pairs of $35 sox"

You may be able to get by with only one pair of the $$$ waterproof
sox.
The gortex sox I have are not very thick and have little to no
insulation.
So what I do is put them over fleece sox that are warm, and those I
put over very thin (might be silk) sox liners.
Those innermost sox get all the washing. I use just the one pair of
gortex sox and very rarely wash them.
I think of them like shoe covers that go inside the shoe. In fact I
originally bought them instead of getting expensive foul weather boot
for sailing. Looked at that way they were a real bargain.

On Jan 8, 1:17 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies yesterday.
> The weather this morning was just as bad as yesterday. The main
> highway
> here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
> everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
> slower in waterproof pants :)
>
> Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
> Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
> light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
> water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
> Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
> issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it
> does
> can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
> pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year.
> Next
> time I'm feeling flush.
>
> We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
> rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a
> few
> weeks ago. More people showed up during the war with Gaza when
> rockets
> were falling than the following week when it was raining. Funny
> world.
> Or maybe not so funny.
>
> Jay

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[RBW] Recommend me a Rando bar please.

[Michael]

What's your favorite and why?
I think they look neat, hope they work better for me than the 44 noodle I 
have (feels a bit wide) and want to try one when the wallet allows.
 

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[RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[Joe K]

I had had two modest steel bikes before, both low-to-mid-level
Raleighs from the 70s; also had borrowed a few bikes.  When I learned
about Rivendell, I decided it was time I found out what that vaunted
"good steel ride" feels like, and ordered a custom, circa 2000.
It's true, nothing else felt like this,   Could be partly because I
was riding the wrong size just before, but my first Raleigh was
roughly the correct size.  Tire size and type were fairly consistent
across all bikes (28 mm or 1-1/4")..

On Jan 8, 5:36 pm, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> Rivs have an almost magical ability to float and swoop and dive over just
> about any surface. Don't kid yourselves about comparisons to other bikes:
> There's something special in them tubes :-)
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:33:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
> > I like my riv because I know all reasonable precautions have been taken
> > for safety and comfort over trivial improvements on speed or weight or
> > price.
>
> > Oh and yes, it looks great too.
>
> > - Ryan
>
> > On Monday, January 7, 2013 8:32:59 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> >> a more stable, more predictable handling, safer feeling, with less road
> >> vibration, bike than a modern geometry race bike?
>
> >> Because this is what I experience on the Bleriot vs. my race type bike.
> >> Not sure if the frame or 40mm tires at low pressures contributes more to
> >> this.
>
> >> But was wondering if this was the intended effect of the designers at
> >> Rivbike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain follow up

[René Sterental]

Now we're talking about buying a pair of shoes a half-size up or more to
accomodate all those socks... :-D At least for me, where tight shoes make
my feet hurt...

I'm also wondering if you need these to bike if you use shoes with a
waterproof membrane. Even though I'm not experienced biking in the rain, I
do want to overcome that. Living in the SF Bay Area I've learned that most
of the time, biking in the rain is really biking through some fine
drizzles, although every now and then when it rains, it pours.

To me, in my blissful ignorance, if it's going to pour, I'd probably prefer
the waterproof socks with the liners for warmth and confort as suggested,
but wearing sandals so the water doesn't pool inside my shoes or takes
forever for them to dry as they get wet. For drizzles, shoes with a
waterproof membrane with wool socks would probably work well. Am I
mistaken?

I once went through a deep puddle of water in an underpass on the Guadalupe
Trail where the water almost reached the bottom of my largest crank. I had
some speed so I was coasting through it when I happened to hit a rock that
was underwater which forced me to dismount and consequently, I got my
waterproof shoes full of water. It took several days for them to be
completely dry...

So, what I'd like to know is how people who ride in the rain regularly
address the issue of water dripping down your pants or legs when it's
raining, vs. rain actually falling on your shoes and getting them wet.

I received a Brooks cape (poncho) as a gift, which I've tried twice on
light drizzles and found very nice and vented. It has sorts of arm sleeves
with an elastic band so it doesn't lift up your arms, as well as two
magnetic loops to keep the front hanging from the handlebar; the
combination of both features keep the cape snug around your back so no
waist cinching is needed, as well as allowing water to drip in front of
your feet if it pools on the front when it's raining hard.

René (waiting for more rain)


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ted  wrote:

> "So I would need several pairs of $35 sox"
>
> You may be able to get by with only one pair of the $$$ waterproof
> sox.
> The gortex sox I have are not very thick and have little to no
> insulation.
> So what I do is put them over fleece sox that are warm, and those I
> put over very thin (might be silk) sox liners.
> Those innermost sox get all the washing. I use just the one pair of
> gortex sox and very rarely wash them.
> I think of them like shoe covers that go inside the shoe. In fact I
> originally bought them instead of getting expensive foul weather boot
> for sailing. Looked at that way they were a real bargain.
>
> On Jan 8, 1:17 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> > Thanks for all the replies yesterday.
> > The weather this morning was just as bad as yesterday. The main
> > highway
> > here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
> > everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
> > slower in waterproof pants :)
> >
> > Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
> > Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
> > light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
> > water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
> > Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
> > issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it
> > does
> > can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
> > pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year.
> > Next
> > time I'm feeling flush.
> >
> > We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
> > rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a
> > few
> > weeks ago. More people showed up during the war with Gaza when
> > rockets
> > were falling than the following week when it was raining. Funny
> > world.
> > Or maybe not so funny.
> >
> > Jay
>
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose brake lever question

[ted]

What I have done on my Bombadil, and like a lot, is to put the brakes
at about the middle of the straight section. I then use cork tape on
either side of each lever (4 sections for the whole bar). Hands go
most anyplace. Outside the levers, on the levers, inside the levers,
all good. Since the clamps for my levers are thicker outboard than
inboard, ometime I may try doing one layer of cork outside the levers,
then start a second layer at the end of the bar and run it all the way
to the strut just going around the lever clamp sort of like you do
with road levers.
I have paul thumbies mounted on the arc right next to the struts and
have not bothered to tape the arc part of the bar.
If I were doing a single speed I think I would run the tape right
across the strut junction and end both sides in the middle. Might even
tie a monkey fist over the twined ends in the middle like marking the
wheel of a boat.


On Jan 8, 11:04 am, BSWP  wrote:
> I'm going to try the Bullmoose bars on my QuickBeam, as a test change from
> the 'M bars. It's easy enough to remove the moustache bars, brake levers
> and stem as a clean cockpit, leaving my tape wrap in place, for a quick
> change back later on. But for Bullmoose bars, has anyone experimented with
> placing the brake levers well to the inside and just building up tape wrap
> for a wide hand placement area? I think I'll try that, it would put the
> brake levers similar to where I'm used to them, and leave lost of room for
> moving my hands around.
>
> And oh, are these Moosies wide! I'm not going to trim 'em narrower just
> yet, but slipping through traffic will be more interesting, that's for sure.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Rain follow up

[ted]

I guess I buy my shoes loose or something, but I found just loosening
the laces gave enough room for my 3 layer setup. So no special shoes
in my case.
I'm also in the SF area and usually just let my feet get wet. I bought
the waterproof sox for crewing on a boat in the pacific cup several
years ago, and have rarely used them since. But when I was going to
take my fenderless Bombadil to tour the east bay dirt with Manny the
day after xmas the prospect of hours of cold soggy feet had me digging
out the waterproof sox.
Worked great. Feet stayed comfortable, warm and dry.

On Jan 8, 3:57 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
> Now we're talking about buying a pair of shoes a half-size up or more to
> accomodate all those socks... :-D At least for me, where tight shoes make
> my feet hurt...
>
> I'm also wondering if you need these to bike if you use shoes with a
> waterproof membrane. Even though I'm not experienced biking in the rain, I
> do want to overcome that. Living in the SF Bay Area I've learned that most
> of the time, biking in the rain is really biking through some fine
> drizzles, although every now and then when it rains, it pours.
>
> To me, in my blissful ignorance, if it's going to pour, I'd probably prefer
> the waterproof socks with the liners for warmth and confort as suggested,
> but wearing sandals so the water doesn't pool inside my shoes or takes
> forever for them to dry as they get wet. For drizzles, shoes with a
> waterproof membrane with wool socks would probably work well. Am I
> mistaken?
>
> I once went through a deep puddle of water in an underpass on the Guadalupe
> Trail where the water almost reached the bottom of my largest crank. I had
> some speed so I was coasting through it when I happened to hit a rock that
> was underwater which forced me to dismount and consequently, I got my
> waterproof shoes full of water. It took several days for them to be
> completely dry...
>
> So, what I'd like to know is how people who ride in the rain regularly
> address the issue of water dripping down your pants or legs when it's
> raining, vs. rain actually falling on your shoes and getting them wet.
>
> I received a Brooks cape (poncho) as a gift, which I've tried twice on
> light drizzles and found very nice and vented. It has sorts of arm sleeves
> with an elastic band so it doesn't lift up your arms, as well as two
> magnetic loops to keep the front hanging from the handlebar; the
> combination of both features keep the cape snug around your back so no
> waist cinching is needed, as well as allowing water to drip in front of
> your feet if it pools on the front when it's raining hard.
>
> René (waiting for more rain)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ted  wrote:
> > "So I would need several pairs of $35 sox"
>
> > You may be able to get by with only one pair of the $$$ waterproof
> > sox.
> > The gortex sox I have are not very thick and have little to no
> > insulation.
> > So what I do is put them over fleece sox that are warm, and those I
> > put over very thin (might be silk) sox liners.
> > Those innermost sox get all the washing. I use just the one pair of
> > gortex sox and very rarely wash them.
> > I think of them like shoe covers that go inside the shoe. In fact I
> > originally bought them instead of getting expensive foul weather boot
> > for sailing. Looked at that way they were a real bargain.
>
> > On Jan 8, 1:17 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> > > Thanks for all the replies yesterday.
> > > The weather this morning was just as bad as yesterday. The main
> > > highway
> > > here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
> > > everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
> > > slower in waterproof pants :)
>
> > > Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
> > > Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
> > > light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
> > > water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
> > > Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
> > > issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it
> > > does
> > > can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
> > > pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year.
> > > Next
> > > time I'm feeling flush.
>
> > > We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
> > > rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a
> > > few
> > > weeks ago. More people showed up during the war with Gaza when
> > > rockets
> > > were falling than the following week when it was raining. Funny
> > > world.
> > > Or maybe not so funny.
>
> > > Jay
>
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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Marty]

>
> I love my silver Bombadil, and have had others painted silver as well. 
> Very forgiving as to the nuances that show up in other colors. You can add 
> color on a whim with new bar tape and bags, and it changes the whole vibe. 
> Here's the latest version with eggplant tape:


 *http://tinyurl.com/bzftcxu*

Marty

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[RBW] Re: So, with Rivendell bikes are you supposed to get...

[ted]

> If someone were to make a modern race bike with steel tubing, the
> experience would not be much different than riding a carbon fiber
> offering.

I have an old race bike (Gios Torrino) that is built with steel tubing
(old standard diameter main tubes). It is very quick and responsive. A
lot of folks would call it harsh and twitchy, though when I was racing
crits with it I thought it was great (right tool for  the task).

I don't believe the material you build a bike out of drives the kind
of ride and handling you get. It does affect how you spec the tubes
etc. to get the result you want.

On Jan 8, 6:54 am, Matthew J  wrote:
> Race geometry has a lot to do with the 'nervous' handling of a race bike.
>
> If someone were to make a modern race bike with steel tubing, the
> experience would not be much different than riding a carbon fiber
> offering.
>
> On the other hand, a CF bike with Riv geometry would have similar ride
> characteristics to the Riv.  Arguably a CF Riv would damp vibrations less.
> But this could be managed with thicker CF tubing.  Of course then the bike
> would weigh in close to a steel Riv, obviating the primary reason for going
> CF.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2013 11:57:05 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
> > I really enjoy the stability alot. I feel much safer on it than on the
> > race bike.
> > I wonder if this is the way steel bikes feel in general, or is this the
> > signature Rivendell "ride".

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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Colin Bortner]

I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
pick the color.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to pick the
> color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
>> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want and I
>> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of neons.
>> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement for
>> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the frame
>> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned about
>> where to just send the damn thing.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I
>>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic was on
>>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who was
>>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another... All I
>>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said: "It's
>>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Steve Palincsar]

It does put a huge burden on the builder, I think.  It's easier if you
have to choose from a restricted range of choices, especially if the
builder has chosen several that he thinks work particularly well with
that type of bike.  "Sky is the limit" really doesn't work, as not all
colors or schemes work with all types of bikes.  

In the case of Rivendells, it seems to me practically all their colors
harmonize with and reflect the sort of color schemes you see in photos
of where they ride on Diablo, and to me it's part of the Rivendell
signature.  

There are plenty of colors that would look great on a Kirk, Richard
Sachs or a Peter Weigle that would just plain look wrong on a Rivendell.

On Tue, 2013-01-08 at 19:38 -0500, Colin Bortner wrote:
> I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
> pick the color.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>  wrote:
> > When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to pick the
> > color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.
> >

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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I was recently in a similar quandary... with a custom bike build. I gave 
the builder some ideas of colors that I like and told him whatever it was I 
wanted it to be kind of muted. I left the final color choice up to him. My 
thought being that whatever the color, it would be fine. There will likely 
be times when I wish it was something different and other times when it is 
the perfect color. I'm kind of excited about the surprise. The bike's still 
at the painter so not sure how this approach will work out. 

Happy Choosing,
Smitty



On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:39:52 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in 
> Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome 
> on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I 
> have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color 
> is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something 
> metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am 
> worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier 
> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Kelly]

On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with 
it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.   

I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up pretty 
good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal is 
annoying the hell out of me.I'm thinking of going back to D&D for 
standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?   

I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat 
but don't know 

Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are stock 
colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are going to 
look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk of 
thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.  

Kelly

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:38:19 PM UTC-6, Colin B. wrote:
>
> I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to 
> pick the color. 
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > wrote: 
> > When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to pick 
> the 
> > color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate 
> >> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want 
> and I 
> >> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of 
> neons. 
> >> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement 
> for 
> >> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the 
> frame 
> >> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned about 
> >> where to just send the damn thing. 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> >>  wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I 
> >>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic 
> was on 
> >>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who 
> was 
> >>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another... 
> All I 
> >>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said: 
> "It's 
> >>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce." 
> >>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[René Sterental]

That silver Bombadil looks so beautiful...


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Kelly  wrote:

> On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with
> it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.
>
> I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up pretty
> good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal is
> annoying the hell out of me.I'm thinking of going back to D&D for
> standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?
>
> I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat
> but don't know
>
> Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are stock
> colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are going to
> look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk of
> thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.
>
> Kelly
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:38:19 PM UTC-6, Colin B. wrote:
>
>> I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
>> pick the color.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>>  wrote:
>> > When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to pick
>> the
>> > color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
>> >> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want
>> and I
>> >> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of
>> neons.
>> >> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement
>> for
>> >> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the
>> frame
>> >> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned
>> about
>> >> where to just send the damn thing.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I
>> >>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic
>> was on
>> >>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who
>> was
>> >>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another...
>> All I
>> >>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said:
>> "It's
>> >>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Peter Morgano]

I do love silver, my preferred choice in cars back when I drove. I do love
the purple playing off the silver. Anyone know the email address for Bruce
at the Color Factory? He said he would be mailing me out a packet of info
but he also mentioned something about an email with the color list he would
send out, unfortunatly I got too wrapped up talking to remember it.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:17 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> That silver Bombadil looks so beautiful...
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Kelly  wrote:
>
>> On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with
>> it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.
>>
>> I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up pretty
>> good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal is
>> annoying the hell out of me.I'm thinking of going back to D&D for
>> standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?
>>
>> I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat
>> but don't know
>>
>> Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are stock
>> colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are going to
>> look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk of
>> thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:38:19 PM UTC-6, Colin B. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
>>> pick the color.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>>>  wrote:
>>> > When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to
>>> pick the
>>> > color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
>>> >> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want
>>> and I
>>> >> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of
>>> neons.
>>> >> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement
>>> for
>>> >> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the
>>> frame
>>> >> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned
>>> about
>>> >> where to just send the damn thing.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I
>>> >>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic
>>> was on
>>> >>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who
>>> was
>>> >>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or
>>> another... All I
>>> >>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said:
>>> "It's
>>> >>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
>>> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain follow up

[René Sterental]

What shoes do you ride with?


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM, ted  wrote:

> I guess I buy my shoes loose or something, but I found just loosening
> the laces gave enough room for my 3 layer setup. So no special shoes
> in my case.
> I'm also in the SF area and usually just let my feet get wet. I bought
> the waterproof sox for crewing on a boat in the pacific cup several
> years ago, and have rarely used them since. But when I was going to
> take my fenderless Bombadil to tour the east bay dirt with Manny the
> day after xmas the prospect of hours of cold soggy feet had me digging
> out the waterproof sox.
> Worked great. Feet stayed comfortable, warm and dry.
>
> On Jan 8, 3:57 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
> > Now we're talking about buying a pair of shoes a half-size up or more to
> > accomodate all those socks... :-D At least for me, where tight shoes make
> > my feet hurt...
> >
> > I'm also wondering if you need these to bike if you use shoes with a
> > waterproof membrane. Even though I'm not experienced biking in the rain,
> I
> > do want to overcome that. Living in the SF Bay Area I've learned that
> most
> > of the time, biking in the rain is really biking through some fine
> > drizzles, although every now and then when it rains, it pours.
> >
> > To me, in my blissful ignorance, if it's going to pour, I'd probably
> prefer
> > the waterproof socks with the liners for warmth and confort as suggested,
> > but wearing sandals so the water doesn't pool inside my shoes or takes
> > forever for them to dry as they get wet. For drizzles, shoes with a
> > waterproof membrane with wool socks would probably work well. Am I
> > mistaken?
> >
> > I once went through a deep puddle of water in an underpass on the
> Guadalupe
> > Trail where the water almost reached the bottom of my largest crank. I
> had
> > some speed so I was coasting through it when I happened to hit a rock
> that
> > was underwater which forced me to dismount and consequently, I got my
> > waterproof shoes full of water. It took several days for them to be
> > completely dry...
> >
> > So, what I'd like to know is how people who ride in the rain regularly
> > address the issue of water dripping down your pants or legs when it's
> > raining, vs. rain actually falling on your shoes and getting them wet.
> >
> > I received a Brooks cape (poncho) as a gift, which I've tried twice on
> > light drizzles and found very nice and vented. It has sorts of arm
> sleeves
> > with an elastic band so it doesn't lift up your arms, as well as two
> > magnetic loops to keep the front hanging from the handlebar; the
> > combination of both features keep the cape snug around your back so no
> > waist cinching is needed, as well as allowing water to drip in front of
> > your feet if it pools on the front when it's raining hard.
> >
> > René (waiting for more rain)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ted  wrote:
> > > "So I would need several pairs of $35 sox"
> >
> > > You may be able to get by with only one pair of the $$$ waterproof
> > > sox.
> > > The gortex sox I have are not very thick and have little to no
> > > insulation.
> > > So what I do is put them over fleece sox that are warm, and those I
> > > put over very thin (might be silk) sox liners.
> > > Those innermost sox get all the washing. I use just the one pair of
> > > gortex sox and very rarely wash them.
> > > I think of them like shoe covers that go inside the shoe. In fact I
> > > originally bought them instead of getting expensive foul weather boot
> > > for sailing. Looked at that way they were a real bargain.
> >
> > > On Jan 8, 1:17 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> > > > Thanks for all the replies yesterday.
> > > > The weather this morning was just as bad as yesterday. The main
> > > > highway
> > > > here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
> > > > everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
> > > > slower in waterproof pants :)
> >
> > > > Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
> > > > Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
> > > > light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
> > > > water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
> > > > Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
> > > > issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it
> > > > does
> > > > can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
> > > > pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year.
> > > > Next
> > > > time I'm feeling flush.
> >
> > > > We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
> > > > rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a
> > > > few
> > > > weeks ago. More people showed up during the war with Gaza when
> > > > rockets
> > > > were falling than the following week when it was raining. Funny
> > > > world.
> > > > Or maybe not so funny.
> >

Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[René Sterental]

I think I made the mistake of attaching a large photo to my post as I got
an email from the Mail Delivery Subsystem stating that my message was too
large. I don't know if it was posted, so apologies for potentially sending
a duplicate.

René


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> I do love silver, my preferred choice in cars back when I drove. I do love
> the purple playing off the silver. Anyone know the email address for Bruce
> at the Color Factory? He said he would be mailing me out a packet of info
> but he also mentioned something about an email with the color list he would
> send out, unfortunatly I got too wrapped up talking to remember it.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:17 PM, René Sterental wrote:
>
>> That silver Bombadil looks so beautiful...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Kelly  wrote:
>>
>>> On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with
>>> it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.
>>>
>>> I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up
>>> pretty good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal
>>> is annoying the hell out of me.I'm thinking of going back to D&D for
>>> standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?
>>>
>>> I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder
>>> coat but don't know
>>>
>>> Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are stock
>>> colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are going to
>>> look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk of
>>> thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:38:19 PM UTC-6, Colin B. wrote:
>>>
 I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
 pick the color.

 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
  wrote:
 > When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to
 pick the
 > color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.
 >
 >
 > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
 >>
 >> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
 >> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want
 and I
 >> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of
 neons.
 >> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement
 for
 >> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person,
 the frame
 >> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned
 about
 >> where to just send the damn thing.
 >>
 >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 >>  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation
 I
 >>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic
 was on
 >>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who
 was
 >>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or
 another... All I
 >>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he
 said: "It's
 >>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[René Sterental]

I was able to track down the original photo of the Atlantis in pewter that
has me drooling over that color choice.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107210911/

You can see how lovely it is, and also how loverly the silver looks on the
Bombadil... which one to choose? Still have a week or two to keep changing
my mind before I take the Hunqapillar apart and take it to D&D...

René


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:27 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> I think I made the mistake of attaching a large photo to my post as I got
> an email from the Mail Delivery Subsystem stating that my message was too
> large. I don't know if it was posted, so apologies for potentially sending
> a duplicate.
>
> René
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> I do love silver, my preferred choice in cars back when I drove. I do
>> love the purple playing off the silver. Anyone know the email address for
>> Bruce at the Color Factory? He said he would be mailing me out a packet of
>> info but he also mentioned something about an email with the color list he
>> would send out, unfortunatly I got too wrapped up talking to remember it.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:17 PM, René Sterental wrote:
>>
>>> That silver Bombadil looks so beautiful...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Kelly  wrote:
>>>
 On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with
 it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.

 I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up
 pretty good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal
 is annoying the hell out of me.I'm thinking of going back to D&D for
 standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?

 I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder
 coat but don't know

 Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are
 stock colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are
 going to look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk
 of thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.

 Kelly


 On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:38:19 PM UTC-6, Colin B. wrote:

> I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
> pick the color.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>  wrote:
> > When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to
> pick the
> > color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
> >>
> >> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
> >> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they
> want and I
> >> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside
> of neons.
> >> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that
> arrangement for
> >> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person,
> the frame
> >> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned
> about
> >> where to just send the damn thing.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation
> I
> >>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded
> mechanic was on
> >>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer,
> who was
> >>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or
> another... All I
> >>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he
> said: "It's
> >>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
> >>>
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[RBW] Re: Rain follow up

[ted]

On that ride a pair of cheep Fila sneakers.

On Jan 8, 5:22 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
> What shoes do you ride with?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM, ted  wrote:
> > I guess I buy my shoes loose or something, but I found just loosening
> > the laces gave enough room for my 3 layer setup. So no special shoes
> > in my case.
> > I'm also in the SF area and usually just let my feet get wet. I bought
> > the waterproof sox for crewing on a boat in the pacific cup several
> > years ago, and have rarely used them since. But when I was going to
> > take my fenderless Bombadil to tour the east bay dirt with Manny the
> > day after xmas the prospect of hours of cold soggy feet had me digging
> > out the waterproof sox.
> > Worked great. Feet stayed comfortable, warm and dry.
>
> > On Jan 8, 3:57 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
> > > Now we're talking about buying a pair of shoes a half-size up or more to
> > > accomodate all those socks... :-D At least for me, where tight shoes make
> > > my feet hurt...
>
> > > I'm also wondering if you need these to bike if you use shoes with a
> > > waterproof membrane. Even though I'm not experienced biking in the rain,
> > I
> > > do want to overcome that. Living in the SF Bay Area I've learned that
> > most
> > > of the time, biking in the rain is really biking through some fine
> > > drizzles, although every now and then when it rains, it pours.
>
> > > To me, in my blissful ignorance, if it's going to pour, I'd probably
> > prefer
> > > the waterproof socks with the liners for warmth and confort as suggested,
> > > but wearing sandals so the water doesn't pool inside my shoes or takes
> > > forever for them to dry as they get wet. For drizzles, shoes with a
> > > waterproof membrane with wool socks would probably work well. Am I
> > > mistaken?
>
> > > I once went through a deep puddle of water in an underpass on the
> > Guadalupe
> > > Trail where the water almost reached the bottom of my largest crank. I
> > had
> > > some speed so I was coasting through it when I happened to hit a rock
> > that
> > > was underwater which forced me to dismount and consequently, I got my
> > > waterproof shoes full of water. It took several days for them to be
> > > completely dry...
>
> > > So, what I'd like to know is how people who ride in the rain regularly
> > > address the issue of water dripping down your pants or legs when it's
> > > raining, vs. rain actually falling on your shoes and getting them wet.
>
> > > I received a Brooks cape (poncho) as a gift, which I've tried twice on
> > > light drizzles and found very nice and vented. It has sorts of arm
> > sleeves
> > > with an elastic band so it doesn't lift up your arms, as well as two
> > > magnetic loops to keep the front hanging from the handlebar; the
> > > combination of both features keep the cape snug around your back so no
> > > waist cinching is needed, as well as allowing water to drip in front of
> > > your feet if it pools on the front when it's raining hard.
>
> > > René (waiting for more rain)
>
> > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ted  wrote:
> > > > "So I would need several pairs of $35 sox"
>
> > > > You may be able to get by with only one pair of the $$$ waterproof
> > > > sox.
> > > > The gortex sox I have are not very thick and have little to no
> > > > insulation.
> > > > So what I do is put them over fleece sox that are warm, and those I
> > > > put over very thin (might be silk) sox liners.
> > > > Those innermost sox get all the washing. I use just the one pair of
> > > > gortex sox and very rarely wash them.
> > > > I think of them like shoe covers that go inside the shoe. In fact I
> > > > originally bought them instead of getting expensive foul weather boot
> > > > for sailing. Looked at that way they were a real bargain.
>
> > > > On Jan 8, 1:17 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> > > > > Thanks for all the replies yesterday.
> > > > > The weather this morning was just as bad as yesterday. The main
> > > > > highway
> > > > > here in Tel Aviv was closed due to flooding, causing huge traffic
> > > > > everywhere. Took me an extra 5 minutes to get to work because I pedal
> > > > > slower in waterproof pants :)
>
> > > > > Michael - Yes, I am really in Tel Aviv
> > > > > Ted - Maybe the Nashbar socks are not real neoprene. They are good in
> > > > > light rain but when if it's really wet they get saturated and hold
> > > > > water like a wet suit. Definately not just sweat.
> > > > > Bruce - I have looked at seal skinz but was put off by the price. The
> > > > > issue for me is that it doesn't rain here very often, but when it
> > > > > does
> > > > > can come down in buckets a few days in a row. So I would need several
> > > > > pairs of $35 sox which which I would use only a few times a year.
> > > > > Next
> > > > > time I'm feeling flush.
>
> > > > > We don't get real winter weather here, and people really overreact to
> > > > > rain. Some friends started up a Friday afternoon pub/music thing a

[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Michael]

>
> Get it in metallic. My vote is for favorite color of OP in metallic.
>  
>
 

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[RBW] WTT: NITTO Moustache for 42 Noodle

[Michael]

In the never enging saga of me trying to dial in my set up, I am looking 
for narrower Noodles.
I have a slight falling thru feeling still with my 44 Noodles and think 
42's are more my size.
 
The 'stache came on my used bleriot so I cannot verify history. But it 
looks great except for the scratch on the right collar from someone 
mounting it I guess.
 
I can email pics of interested.

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[RBW] Re: WTT: NITTO Moustache for 42 Noodle

[Michael]

>
> PS - I also have some:
>
 

> Gran compe brake levers to trade 
>
13cm Nitto Dynamic stem.
> Pletchser double kickstand
> Pletscher rack (old)
> Power Frips straps.
> Dimension 8cm pop-top stem.
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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[ted]

> I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat
> but don't know

I guess powder coat may be less scratch prone than paint but I gather
it's not as effective at preventing rust underneath it.
What have folks heard or experienced wrt two part polymer paints vs
powder coat?

On Jan 8, 4:56 pm, Kelly  wrote:
> On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with
> it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.
>
> I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up pretty
> good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal is
> annoying the hell out of me.    I'm thinking of going back to D&D for
> standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?
>
> I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat
> but don't know
>
> Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are stock
> colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are going to
> look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk of
> thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:38:19 PM UTC-6, Colin B. wrote:
>
> > I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
> > pick the color.
>
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> > > wrote:
> > > When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to pick
> > the
> > > color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.
>
> > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
>
> > >> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
> > >> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want
> > and I
> > >> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of
> > neons.
> > >> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement
> > for
> > >> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the
> > frame
> > >> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned about
> > >> where to just send the damn thing.
>
> > >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> > >>  wrote:
>
> > >>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I
> > >>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic
> > was on
> > >>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who
> > was
> > >>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another...
> > All I
> > >>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said:
> > "It's
> > >>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
>
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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Joe Bernard]

I like the metallic pewter on my Saluki. It's close to the flat grey 
Mark-at-Riv prefers on his customs (which I think is also the old Hunqa 
color), but the metallic brightens it up when the sun hits it. From certain 
angles on certain days, I'd swear I see a hint of pink/violet peeking 
through...very pretty. 
 
As someone else mentioned, this kind of "neutral" color is excellent as a 
base for "repainting" with different-colored bartape, cables, saddles and 
such. Mine is currently rather conservative with a black/silver mix of 
parts/cables, but someday I'll go nuts and add red tape, cables and 
waterbottle. Just for giggles. :-)
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:44:44 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:

> Get it in metallic. My vote is for favorite color of OP in metallic.
>>  
>>
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Peter Morgano]

I looked into PC, it seems like alot is in the prep, which you
unfortunately cannot really see unless you are watching the guy and know
what you are looking at, alot of acid baths and undercoatings that go
unmentioned usually. I think the epoxy primers most paint shops use
nowadays are superior at blocking moisture from getting to the raw steel
and are therefore a bit more forgiving than an ok powder coat. Plus it
seems like the cost of PC has gone up everywhere. Bruce quoted me less
thann $200 for the whole job which is what my local guy was gonna charge me
to powder coat. Shame sometimes I dont own a car since I am gonna have to
ship it 2 1/2 hours away to NJ, but with the cost of gas to get there and
back maybe coming out even in the end.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM, ted  wrote:

> > I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat
> > but don't know
>
> I guess powder coat may be less scratch prone than paint but I gather
> it's not as effective at preventing rust underneath it.
> What have folks heard or experienced wrt two part polymer paints vs
> powder coat?
>
> On Jan 8, 4:56 pm, Kelly  wrote:
> > On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with
> > it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.
> >
> > I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up pretty
> > good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal is
> > annoying the hell out of me.I'm thinking of going back to D&D for
> > standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?
> >
> > I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat
> > but don't know
> >
> > Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are stock
> > colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are going to
> > look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk of
> > thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:38:19 PM UTC-6, Colin B. wrote:
> >
> > > I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
> > > pick the color.
> >
> > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> > > > wrote:
> > > > When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to
> pick
> > > the
> > > > color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.
> >
> > > > On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:59:42 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
> >
> > > >> Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate
> > > >> description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want
> > > and I
> > > >> will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of
> > > neons.
> > > >> Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement
> > > for
> > > >> obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person,
> the
> > > frame
> > > >> has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned
> about
> > > >> where to just send the damn thing.
> >
> > > >> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> > > >>  wrote:
> >
> > > >>> I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation
> I
> > > >>> overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic
> > > was on
> > > >>> the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who
> > > was
> > > >>> asking for a verbal description of a color of something or
> another...
> > > All I
> > > >>> really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he
> said:
> > > "It's
> > > >>> sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."
> >
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[RBW] New frame specials up on rivbike

[Dave]

Solid deal on a demo Betty foy, among others

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[RBW] Recommend me a Rando bar please.

[Christian]

I really like my Velo Orange rando bars. I have the 41 (they are 41 at the ends 
and about 38 at the hoods) and have been very happy.   I switched to them from 
a pair of 44 Noodles.  I prefer the bend of the rando and the narrow width. All 
that said, I have them on my 650b low trail bike.  I have 44 Noodles on my 
Hunqapillar but will likely switch to the randos I like them so much.  

Christian 

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Re: [RBW] Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[James Warren]

Copy Amit's grey with kidney bean headtube and panels. Ya know, that classic 
scheme used on the Hunqapillar. It looks really good with twin TT's.


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> So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in
> Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome
> on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I
> have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color
> is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something
> metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am
> worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier
> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas?
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Re: [RBW] Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Jim Mather]

Here's a nice orange Bomba:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7150235995/in/photostream/

And a nice orange double TT Bomba:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/4779108114/in/faves-20986098@N04/

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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Garth]

Yes Peter ... metallics are wonderful because the colors change with the 
light :)   

Check out the orange metallics also , like 44467 Dk. Persimmon Met. and 
44471 Burnt Orange Met.  They do not show a lighter shade of orange on the 
charts, but a Seminole Red Met. h7994 looks rather cool to me.  It is more 
of an orange red than "red".  I have found no reference for a bike frame to 
be painted as such , so it would be surely unique !   If I repaint mine it 
may be this !   The metallics in particular are really hard to judge online 
, as in the sun the metallics really shine and change appearance ! 

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Re: [RBW] Recommend me a Rando bar please.

[Shaun Meehan]

It's hard to make a recommendation. We already know there's something the
matter with you for not liking the Noodle. It's kind of like the old
addage: "Either you like bacon, or you're wrong".

Shaun Meehan

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Michael  wrote:

> What's your favorite and why?
> I think they look neat, hope they work better for me than the 44 noodle I
> have (feels a bit wide) and want to try one when the wallet allows.
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[RBW] Re: New frame specials up on rivbike

[Joe Bernard]

The price has come down on the Proto Appaloosa and pink custom. Even if you 
have to have D&D repaint the custom, it's still a good deal on a unique 
frame. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:45:11 PM UTC-8, Dave wrote:

> Solid deal on a demo Betty foy, among others

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Re: [RBW] Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Shaun Meehan]

Orange. Absolutely.

Shaun "still-waiting-for-Grandpa's-Pine-Tar-Brown" Meehan

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Peter M  wrote:

> So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in
> Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome
> on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I
> have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color
> is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something
> metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am
> worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier
> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas?
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[RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[allenmichael]

I remember a picture of Jimmy Carter on what looked like a Root-Beer Brown 
custom (on an Atlantis pic page). That would be a great Bombadil color.  I 
dream of an Orange Custom (has anyone seen the second season of the hour? 
there is one episode where Belle wears an amazing orange dress—i want a 
bike that color), but the Bombadil cries out for something even earthier.

Michael Allen

Here is the link.  My top choice for Bombadil color.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22432095@N03/2844653628/

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:39:52 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
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> So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in 
> Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome 
> on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I 
> have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color 
> is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something 
> metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am 
> worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier 
> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas? 
>

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[RBW] Re: 52cm Waterford Bombadil FFHS for Sale, single top tube-Last Notice before the Ebay

[Manuel Acosta]

Glad Tommy is being taken care of. He's precious cargo. California wants 
him back after Portland is down with it's load.

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Re: [RBW] Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Garth]

I knew I had seen a Burnt Orange one online, and I found it !  Imron 
#44471, Burnt Orange Metallic 
Nice !

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11828914@N07/4039900736/in/photostream/

and a Saluki that appears the same color : 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61645455@N03/5611410003/in/photostream/

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[RBW] Re: WTT: NITTO Moustache for 42 Noodle

[Big Paulie]

I've had Noodles from 48 down to 42, and prefer the 42's. And, I have
wide shoulders.

The "falling through" sensation you describe was something I
experienced, and the 42's resolved it.

Best bars ever, IMO.

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[RBW] Re: Recommend me a Rando bar please.

[Michael]

>
> Ha ha, very funny.
>  
>
I do love Noodles, and am looking for a narrower one now.
But I would like to try Randos for fun some time. Although I am used to 
flat tops, so that may throw me off with the tilted Randos.
Have to try and see one day. 

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[RBW] Will a smaller frame put me further behind bb?

[Michael]

If it is the same model?
Like, say I had to choose between a 55 and a 54 Homer.
I think the answer would be no, because they are proportionately the same. 
But not sure. Thought I'd ask you all.
I like shoving the saddle all the way back and wish it could go back more.

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Re: [RBW] Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[William]

The nice orange double TT one is mine.  Powder coat with matching Bullmoose

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:14:31 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
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> Here's a nice orange Bomba: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7150235995/in/photostream/ 
>
> And a nice orange double TT Bomba: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/4779108114/in/faves-20986098@N04/ 
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[RBW] Re: WTT: NITTO Moustache for 42 Noodle

[Michael]

>
> I am a small framed guy.
>
 

> Think Jackie Chan minus 3/4 of the muscle mass and 30 lbs more fat added. 
> That's me. Short limbs and small frame.
>
 
I got the 44's because Rivbike recommended them for small males.
But I gotta go narrower.
Hope someone is looking for a 'stache bar.

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[RBW] Will a smaller frame put me further behind bb?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

No. If anything, a smaller frame is likely to put you farther forward.

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Re: [RBW] Will a smaller frame put me further behind bb?

[David Yu Greenblatt]

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sp3.htm

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Michael  wrote:

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> I like shoving the saddle all the way back and wish it could go back more.
>
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