[RBW] Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Me]

...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].

Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
unopened.
Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
cassette hub.

Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
whole 650B thang.

**no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**

-Scott

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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[happyriding]

On Apr 21, 1:13 am, Me  wrote:
>
> Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> unopened.
> Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> cassette hub.
>

Whaaa?!

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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[Earl Grey]

I should have mentioned that durability is not an issue for me, and
neither is flat protection. I hardly ever get flats, have never
destroyed a tire, and I habitually ride tires well beyond their
intended use. I ride my Jack Brown Greens on hardpack trails with lots
of sharp rocks sticking out of the dirt, and have only gotten one
(pinch) flat in 6 months (tire probably only had 30-35 psi, because I
am lazy about topping up). I just want something that won't wash out
in deep sand as easily, and still be really nice on the road where I
ride 70-80% of the time. For dedicated offroading, I have 42mm IRC
Mythos XC Slicks, which do the job very well and still are decent on
the road.

On most of the skinwall tires I have had, the sidewalls turned
threadbare (due to UV/ozone, I assume) before the tread wore out, and
I'd much rather have that happen but have a supple tire than have a
bomb-proof tire that feels dead. So I'll probably give the regular
Marathons a miss. :)

I am about ready to order the 35 Paselas, because I have the sneaking
suspicion that the 38 Marathon Racers are actually skinnier than the
35 Paselas, given that the 42 Supremes run 37.5 according to rivbike.
If the Racers run true to size, please let me know as I may try them
instead.

Cheers,

Gernot

On Apr 21, 11:37 am, Mike  wrote:
> You could just go with the basic wire bead Marathon that Riv sells:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/schwalbe-marathon/10-068
>
> They're not supple but they're not that bad, especially when you
> consider the price. The model Riv sells measures 41 so it should fit
> on the Hillborne. They're nice off road, durable and confidence
> inspiring.
>
> mike
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[RBW] Re: RBW Saddle Height question

[happyriding]

On Apr 21, 12:14 am, RM  wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:19 PM, happyriding wrote:
>
Hi,

Thanks for the response.

> > On Apr 20, 10:09 am, RM  wrote:
> Besides establishing a better position on the bike for increasing my power 
> output ability, I also came away no longer suffering from shoulder blade area 
> pain on long rides. I do not know if he is still personally doing bike fits, 
> but he is still listed on staff at the Boulder Center for Sports Medicine.
>

Any one specific thing you can attribute to solving your shoulder
aches?

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Hillborne

[Johnny Alien]

Hmmm...it seems like it is not a crazy idea at all then.  I now have
options!  Does anyone know if the Hunqapillar colors on the site are
the final colors?

On Apr 20, 11:30 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> I have a Hillborne and am running some 700 x 40 Schwalbe Smart Sam
> knobbies.. it could easily take a 45-47mm knobbie w/o fenders. And
> I've ridden it on some pretty techy singletrack in this mode and as a
> result I hardly ever take out my 29er an 
> more.http://www.flickr.com/photos/37347...@n05/4220857510/sizes/l/in/set-7...
>
> ~Mike~
>
> On Apr 20, 8:14 pm, "Jim M."  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I would bet that the Hilborne is at least as rugged as the MB-1 and
> > MB-0, which saw lots of rougher trails.
>
> > jim m
> > wc ca
>
> > On Apr 20, 5:13 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> > > I don't think I will be thrashing it really at all but I do want a
> > > bike set up for slightly rougher trails.  I wasn't sure if it would be
> > > overkill to set up a country bike frame in this manner.  I have a
> > > Bleriot and it doesn't seem like it would be a great frame to set up
> > > in this manner.  I think the Hillborne is more heavy duty than the
> > > Bleriot though.
>
> > > On Apr 20, 8:06 pm, "Bill M."  wrote:
>
> > > > The spec sheet says 44 mm max tire.
>
> > > > How hard are you planning on thrashing the bike?  Do you really need
> > > > the extra beef of the Hunq?  If not, and the Sam would fit, then go
> > > > for it!
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 3:48 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> > > > > I am really really in like with the photo of the Hunqapillar on the
> > > > > Rivendell site.  I have decided that I want to make my next bike
> > > > > similar to this one with nice fat tires a Bullmoose bars.
>
> > > > >http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3453/Vaughn_s_Quarte...
>
> > > > > I kinda like the colors and 650B size of the Hilborne but of course
> > > > > the frame is not as heavy duty as the Hunqapillar. I am not sure how
> > > > > wide it can go tire-wise without fenders either.
>
> > > > > So would it make sense to gear up a Hillborne in this fashion or
> > > > > should I just suck it up and go with the Hunqapillar when it comes 
> > > > > out?
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[RBW] Another tire thread: does Riv sell 42/40 Marathon Supremes?

[happyriding]

Hi,

Can someone educate me on the tire sizes available for Marathon
Supremes?  Or, can someone recommend another touring tire that is
roughly a true 38mm?  Does suppleness matter when touring?  Or is the
whole rig just a big laborious steam roller?

Thanks

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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[happyriding]

Hi,

On Apr 21, 12:43 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> The shimano bar end shifters can switch between friction and indexing
> in the rear shifter; the front shifter is only friction.
>

Ah hah.  Thanks.

I have another question.  Is a 40x30 double a reasonable alternative
to a 46x36x26 triple?

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[RBW] Re: Another tire thread: does Riv sell 42/40 Marathon Supremes?

[happyriding]

Are Jack Brown Blues a viable alternative?  Or are they too narrow?
The description recommends them for tandems.

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Hillborne

[happyriding]

On Apr 21, 5:14 am, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> Hmmm...it seems like it is not a crazy idea at all then.  I now have
> options!  Does anyone know if the Hunqapillar colors on the site are
> the final colors?
>

The last I read, they were thinking of offering two options: red panel/
headtube and orange panel/headtube.

As for the strength of the Sam Hillborne, here is what Rivendell
Reader #41 (which is free to download) said when introducing the Sam
Hillborne:

---
The Sam may be even more versatile than the AHH, because the
tubing is slightly thicker (same gauge as the Atlantis), so it more
suited
to loaded touring. With AHH clearance, Atlantis tubing gauges, and a
fork that splits the diff, you can think of it as halfway between the
Atlantis and A. Homer Hilsen.
--

I'm not sure what that fork comment is referring to (clearance?
tubing?).

I've read that the Atlantis tubing is butted .9/.6/.9.  And the same
Riv Reader that introduces the Hillborne has an article about the
Bombadil.  The article on the Bombadil says the tubing is .1 thicker
than the Atlantis, so that would make the tubes on the Bombadil 1.0
millimeter thick.  The article also says the Bomadil's down tube and
double top tubes are straight gauge (no butting).   The Hunqapillar is
described as having Bombadil stout tubing in the main tubes, which
presumably means the top and down tubes (and that might also be the
case for the down tube as well).

In any case, the Hunqapillar has 1.0 mm tubing, and the Sam Hillborne
and Atlantis have .9 mm tubing.   The Atlantis is recommended for
fully loaded touring.  Therefore, it seems like the Sam Hillborne is a
pretty stout bike.

Also, are you aware that the double top tube design of the Hunqapillar
has morphed into something different than depicted on the website?
The second top tube is most likely going to angle down and join the
seat tube in the middle of the seat tube.




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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Pondero]

Somehow I don't think Scott here is our man to photo document the
delivery guy dropping of the big cardboard box, the legendary Riv
packing job, and multiple views of each individual component as he
unwraps it all.  Nope.

He's got his issues, but I guess there's no denying I've got mine
either.

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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[scott]

Christmas in April!!!

On Apr 21, 7:33 am, Pondero  wrote:
> Somehow I don't think Scott here is our man to photo document the
> delivery guy dropping of the big cardboard box, the legendary Riv
> packing job, and multiple views of each individual component as he
> unwraps it all.  Nope.
>
> He's got his issues, but I guess there's no denying I've got mine
> either.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendells in the Recent Gallery Updates

[Beardpapa]

Thanks Jim.  Great stuff.

On Apr 21, 1:57 am, Me  wrote:
> Lots of pretty bikes there to look at!
>
> Such a great site, Jim... only problem is, it's a massive Time Suck
> whenever I find myself there [because I can't stop clicking away on
> the next, and next, and next, and next, and next... bike].
>
> Curse You ;-)
>
> -Scott
>
> On Apr 20, 11:45 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all -
>
> > Finally getting a few moments to get the Galleries going again.
>
> > I've had a few Rivendell models sneaking into the lineup here and there, but
> > in case you missed the announcements, here's the Riv-specific "cheat sheet"
>
> > Isaac Enloe's Orange Quickbeam 
> > -http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg/2010/ssg291-isaacenloe0410.html
>
> > Rocky B's Silver Quickbeam 
> > -http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg/2010/ssg292-rockyb0410.html
>
> > Gernot's Orange Sam Hillborne 
> > -http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc765-gernothuber0410.html
>
> > Joe Huddleston's Rivendell Road 
> > -http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc768-joehuddleston0410.html
>
> > Jay's Atlantis -http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc763-jayscheiner0410.html
>
> > Richard's Custom 
> > -http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc760-richardvaldez0310.html
>
> > Seth's Atlantis -http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc756-sethvidal0310.html
>
> > I may have mentioned a couple of these before, but didn't want to leave any
> > out.
>
> > I'm now announcing new additions (or highlighting earlier Gallery entries)
> > on a new/old blog -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com
>
> > Finally, if you have sent in photos and haven't seen them posted yet, I
> > thank you for your patience.  I've been streamlining the workflow a bit, and
> > other areas are calming down a bit now. Hang in there and know they are in
> > the queue!
>
> > Thank you for your support and submissions!
>
> > - Jim
>
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> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[JoelMatthews]

I recall you mentioning it once back in your blog days. I just assumed
you sold it.

Pacenti has some potentally great 650B tires about to ship.  Get your
order in soon.  The first run is probably close to selling out if it
has not already.

Of course the venerable Hetres should be a fit as well.

The only risk I see is this may nudge out your other rides to become
your favorite bike.

On Apr 21, 2:13 am, Me  wrote:
> ...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
> right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
> various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
> Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].
>
> Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> unopened.
> Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> cassette hub.
>
> Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
> whole 650B thang.
>
> **no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**
>
> -Scott
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Hillborne

[JoelMatthews]

> I am really really in like with the photo of the Hunqapillar on the
> Rivendell site.  I have decided that I want to make my next bike
> similar to this one with nice fat tires a Bullmoose bars.

Big fan of the Bullmoose bars.  Especially the metallic run Riv says
Nitto sent in error.  I do not have a bike with the correct rise
steerer tube to use them.  I am thinking about buying a set under the
assumption I may some day have the right bike for the bars.

On Apr 20, 5:48 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> I am really really in like with the photo of the Hunqapillar on the
> Rivendell site.  I have decided that I want to make my next bike
> similar to this one with nice fat tires a Bullmoose bars.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//3453/Vaughn_s_Quarte...
>
> I kinda like the colors and 650B size of the Hilborne but of course
> the frame is not as heavy duty as the Hunqapillar. I am not sure how
> wide it can go tire-wise without fenders either.
>
> So would it make sense to gear up a Hillborne in this fashion or
> should I just suck it up and go with the Hunqapillar when it comes out?
>
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Re: [RBW] Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Ray Shine]

For a moment there, I thought we lived in the same house.  I, too, have a box 
in my basement that contained a Bleriot recently purchased from another list 
member.  Mine is built, however, and I have put about 50 miles on it since 
receiving it last Tuesday.  I also wanted to experience the 650B thing, 
whatever that is.  I read on this forum how wonderful the 650B ride is, and am 
curious what that means. 

The bike rides great.  Quite comfy, but so are the other Rivs. It has drops and 
bar-ends.  I am awaiting another parcel from VO that contains brake levers and 
grips, then my plan is to replace the Nitto Noodles with Albatross and thumb 
shifters -- also a first for me.  My Bleriot came with a Brooks Flyer (sprung). 
 

The only thing to report so far is that I learned very early on how important 
it is to keep that inside pedal up when turning at any significant speed.  
Also, when I stop, I can easily place foot on  ground.  On my 700c Rivs, that's 
always a toe stand if I stay on the saddle.  So, that aspect is more 
comfortable.  I'll report more soon, and send pix to Cyclofiend after the 
cockpit make-oveRay





From: Me 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 12:13:42 AM
Subject: [RBW] Guess I don't get down to the basement much

...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].

Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
unopened.
Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
cassette hub.

Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
whole 650B thang.

**no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**

-Scott

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[RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?

[Scott G.]

Maybe the new Sturmey Archer kickback hub with coaster brake for the
rear, Repack Revisited.

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Re: [RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 22:40 -0700, happyriding wrote:
> Thanks for the replies.  Richard, thanks for the velo orange link.
> I've read Peter White's article before, but I'm going to read it
> again.
> 
> I was under the impression that bar end shifters had two modes: index
> and friction.  If the bar end shifters are in index mode for the front
> derailleur,


Front is friction.  

>  do you need ramps and pins for smooth shifting?

No



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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Mike]

I was down in my basement yesterday puttering around and working on my
bikes. All I found was dust, boxes full of stuff I don't really need,
and some cracked Planet Bike fenders. Last week I found my Keen sandal
which had been MIA for a year. Maybe I'll go down there and rummage
around some more. Sure would be nice to find an Atlantis but I don't
think so...

Hey Scott, that sounds like a great bike you have there. Feel free to
contact me off list if you want to get out for a ride one of these
days. I live in Portland. In fact, any list members in the area that
want to get together for a ride, or are swinging through town, drop me
a line if you want to ride.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[Patrick in VT]

On Apr 21, 5:15 am, Earl Grey  wrote:

> I am about ready to order the 35 Paselas, because I have the sneaking
> suspicion that the 38 Marathon Racers are actually skinnier than the
> 35 Paselas, given that the 42 Supremes run 37.5 according to rivbike.
> If the Racers run true to size, please let me know as I may try them
> instead.

I've ridden both the 35 paselas and the 35 racers (which did run true
to size).  i recently sold the racers to a list member because I
didn't care for the ride.  the racers might be relatively more
"supple" and have better rolling resistance than other schwalbe tires,
but they still felt harsh to me compared to the pasela.   in any
event, for what you want, both tires are probably as good as it gets
at that size in 700c.  there's not too many options.

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[RBW] Re: Hilsen and tire clearance.

[Mike]

On Apr 20, 11:55 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> I stopped rotating tires after reading this:
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
> If anything, I'll rotate the front to the rear only, now.
>
> - J

I was thinking the same thing Jim. Funny, I read that article for the
first time only about a week ago. It makes sense.

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[RBW] Re: Another tire thread: does Riv sell 42/40 Marathon Supremes?

[Tim McNamara]

On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:30 AM, happyriding wrote:


Can someone educate me on the tire sizes available for Marathon
Supremes?  Or, can someone recommend another touring tire that is
roughly a true 38mm?  Does suppleness matter when touring?  Or is the
whole rig just a big laborious steam roller?


IMHO suppleness matters more in those situations but there are  
tradeoffs- flat tires are a major nuisance on a loaded touring bike  
and sidewall toughness is also an issue.


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Re: [RBW] Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[cyclotourist]

That was my experience, too.  I whacked the pedals pretty frequently on the
Bleriot; didn't do that except maybe once every few years on my other bikes.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Ray Shine  wrote:

>
> The only thing to report so far is that I learned very early on how
> important it is to keep that inside pedal up when turning at any significant
> speed.  Also, when I stop, I can easily place foot on  ground.  On my 700c
> Rivs, that's always a toe stand if I stay on the saddle.  So, that aspect is
> more comfortable.  I'll report more soon, and send pix to Cyclofiend after
> the cockpit make-oveRay
>
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> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Sent:* Wed, April 21, 2010 12:13:42 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Guess I don't get down to the basement much
>
> ...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
> right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
> various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
> Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].
>
> Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> unopened.
> Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> cassette hub.
>
> Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
> whole 650B thang.
>
> **no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**
>
> -Scott
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[RBW] Silver Shifter Adjustment

[MichaelH]

Between my wife and I, we have four bikes with silver shifters, two DT
and two BE.  The DT shifters can be set with a very light touch and
hold that position without any loosening and skipping.  However the
two BE need to be tightened down to a point where the shifting is much
stiffer, and sill I find after a few days of riding the D ring will
loosen a bit and the chain will jump gears.

The only other variable I can think of is that the bikes with BE are
more often ridden on dirt and rough roads.  Has anyone else noticed
this?

Michael

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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[happyriding]

On Apr 21, 5:48 am, happyriding  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Apr 21, 12:43 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> > The shimano bar end shifters can switch between friction and indexing
> > in the rear shifter; the front shifter is only friction.
>
> Ah hah.  Thanks.
>
> I have another question.  Is a 40x30 double a reasonable alternative
> to a 46x36x26 triple?
>

Whoops.  Make that a 46x30 double.

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter Adjustment

[Angus]

Michael,

I have noticed that the silver shifters need more tightening on rear
derailleurs that have a higher spring tension.

My experience between DT and Bar end has been the opposite of
yours...I don't understand why.   I end up tightening the DT silver
shifters during most rides.

Angus

On Apr 21, 9:07 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> Between my wife and I, we have four bikes with silver shifters, two DT
> and two BE.  The DT shifters can be set with a very light touch and
> hold that position without any loosening and skipping.  However the
> two BE need to be tightened down to a point where the shifting is much
> stiffer, and sill I find after a few days of riding the D ring will
> loosen a bit and the chain will jump gears.
>
> The only other variable I can think of is that the bikes with BE are
> more often ridden on dirt and rough roads.  Has anyone else noticed
> this?
>
> Michael
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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[rperks]

You may have bought already but my four JB greens measure between 34
and 35mm the two most broken in being 34.8 and  35.1, I am not sure
you are gaining anything with the Paselas.  I have been looking at the
spec chart for the Racers too, but too cheap to pull the trigger,
based on ETRO the 38 racers should be 40mm wide.  I have found the
schwalbes measure true to stated ETRO data not what is on the box at
times.  Proportionally it should be like moving up from Rolly Pollys
to JB, the 38 racers are the next step as far as I can see.

For the moment it is JB green for me.

Rob

On Apr 21, 2:15 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> I should have mentioned that durability is not an issue for me, and
> neither is flat protection. I hardly ever get flats, have never
> destroyed a tire, and I habitually ride tires well beyond their
> intended use. I ride my Jack Brown Greens on hardpack trails with lots
> of sharp rocks sticking out of the dirt, and have only gotten one
> (pinch) flat in 6 months (tire probably only had 30-35 psi, because I
> am lazy about topping up). I just want something that won't wash out
> in deep sand as easily, and still be really nice on the road where I
> ride 70-80% of the time. For dedicated offroading, I have 42mm IRC
> Mythos XC Slicks, which do the job very well and still are decent on
> the road.
>
> On most of the skinwall tires I have had, the sidewalls turned
> threadbare (due to UV/ozone, I assume) before the tread wore out, and
> I'd much rather have that happen but have a supple tire than have a
> bomb-proof tire that feels dead. So I'll probably give the regular
> Marathons a miss. :)
>
> I am about ready to order the 35 Paselas, because I have the sneaking
> suspicion that the 38 Marathon Racers are actually skinnier than the
> 35 Paselas, given that the 42 Supremes run 37.5 according to rivbike.
> If the Racers run true to size, please let me know as I may try them
> instead.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot
>
> On Apr 21, 11:37 am, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > You could just go with the basic wire bead Marathon that Riv sells:
>
> >http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/schwalbe-marathon/10-068
>
> > They're not supple but they're not that bad, especially when you
> > consider the price. The model Riv sells measures 41 so it should fit
> > on the Hillborne. They're nice off road, durable and confidence
> > inspiring.
>
> > mike
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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[MichaelH]

To answer two questions at once.  Indexed shifting a triple is more
trouble than its worth.   It will need more adjustments and offer less
trim finesse.  So, skip the indexing and the ramped rings.  I run
friction shifters and good, but no name LBS silver unpinned
rings( 48/34/26) on a DaVinci triple crank and it shifts fine.  The
only time I ever have a problem is when I have waited too long to drop
into the granny.

About the gearing.  I am considering switching one of bikes
(Rambouillet) from a triple to  a 44/30 double with an 11x28, 9 spd
cassette.  This will give the same top gear as my 48x12 and only one
gear less on the bottom 30x28 instead of 26x27.  One downside I can
see to this is that the 11 will probably wear out pretty quickly.  If
that does happen I think I will move the cassette to a bike with a
triple and lock out the 11.  Also, the jumps - 12-14-16 - are a little
bigger than the 12x27 spacing - 12,13,14,15,17.

The only objection I have to triples is the extra work cleaning them.
I ride a lot of dirt roads and tired of pulling the whole thing apart
(especially the XD with the hidden bolt) to clean the middle ring.

Michael


On Apr 21, 7:48 am, happyriding  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Apr 21, 12:43 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> > The shimano bar end shifters can switch between friction and indexing
> > in the rear shifter; the front shifter is only friction.
>
> Ah hah.  Thanks.
>
> I have another question.  Is a 40x30 double a reasonable alternative
> to a 46x36x26 triple?
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[RBW] Re: Another tire thread: does Riv sell 42/40 Marathon Supremes?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Why ask the peanut gallery when you could go to the source?
http://www.schwalbetires.com/marathon_supreme

IMO, the Supreme is a nice tire for city riding, gravel riding, loaded
bike riding, etc. Fairly flat-resistant, fairly lightweight, fairly
nice rolling, fairly expensive. Schwalbe makes at least ten other
tires in the vicinity of 700x38 that are also road worthy.


On Apr 21, 6:30 am, happyriding  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone educate me on the tire sizes available for Marathon
> Supremes?  Or, can someone recommend another touring tire that is
> roughly a true 38mm?  Does suppleness matter when touring?  Or is the
> whole rig just a big laborious steam roller?
>
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter Adjustment

[William]

Remember to beeswax the threads on the D-ring screw.  Liberally.
Pretend that the hunk of beeswax is a crayon, and scratch it back and
forth on the threads all around.  It helps a great deal.  Nature's loc-
tite

On Apr 21, 7:19 am, Angus  wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I have noticed that the silver shifters need more tightening on rear
> derailleurs that have a higher spring tension.
>
> My experience between DT and Bar end has been the opposite of
> yours...I don't understand why.   I end up tightening the DT silver
> shifters during most rides.
>
> Angus
>
> On Apr 21, 9:07 am, MichaelH  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Between my wife and I, we have four bikes with silver shifters, two DT
> > and two BE.  The DT shifters can be set with a very light touch and
> > hold that position without any loosening and skipping.  However the
> > two BE need to be tightened down to a point where the shifting is much
> > stiffer, and sill I find after a few days of riding the D ring will
> > loosen a bit and the chain will jump gears.
>
> > The only other variable I can think of is that the bikes with BE are
> > more often ridden on dirt and rough roads.  Has anyone else noticed
> > this?
>
> > Michael
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[Shaun Meehan]

I've used both the 35mm Paselas and the 38mm Marathon Racers on the
Atlantis. I actually wore out the tread on the Paselas and never had
any problems with the side walls. Both ride nicely. I would say that
the Racers ride a bit smoother; probably just due to the slight
increase in volume, but it could have something to do with the casing
material as well. I don't know if I'd say that the Racers have more
tread than the Supremes. The tread pattern is really shallow and they
almost function as a slick. That said, I've ridden the Racers on
gravel and they perform well. The Racers *seem* to be wearing a little
better than the Paselas so far. I'd say that I like the Racers better
but they're considerably more expensive than the Paselas too.

Shaun Meehan

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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[Patrick in VT]

On Apr 21, 10:07 am, happyriding  wrote:

> Whoops.  Make that a 46x30 double.

as long as you have a low enough gear, it will be reasonable.

be aware that if you're looking at a compact with a ring smaller than
a 33, it can get spendy.  but the nice bit about a lower gearing
compacts (46x30; 44x28; etc.) is that you can stay in the big ring for
all but really long or really steep climbs.

you could always just run a 48 or 46x34 110bcd compact with a wide
range cassette to get a low enough gear.  but it kind of depends on
where your sweet spot is and what kind of riding you're doing.  you
might end up shifting a lot between rings with this set up.  gearing
is definitely not one-size-fits-all.

i have bikes set up with a 50x34 (11-25), a 48x34 (11-30) and a 44x28
(13-26).  all very different bikes for different kinds of riding.

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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Philip Williamson]

I said the exact same thing - "Christmas in April!"

 Philip

On Apr 21, 5:39 am, scott  wrote:
> Christmas in April!!!
>
> On Apr 21, 7:33 am, Pondero  wrote:
>
> > Somehow I don't think Scott here is our man to photo document the
> > delivery guy dropping of the big cardboard box, the legendary Riv
> > packing job, and multiple views of each individual component as he
> > unwraps it all.  Nope.
>
> > He's got his issues, but I guess there's no denying I've got mine
> > either.
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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[Earl Grey]

Interesting, my 6 month old JB Greens measure 33.5mm on Synergies.

I was under the impression that Schwalbe tires run narrow (judging
from a few posts and from rivbike.com which says the 42 ETRTO Supremes
are actually 37.5, the 47 Marathons are actually 41.5 and the 50 Big
Apples are 44.5 (presumably on Synergies, the rim of choice at Riv).
But Michael_S's 42 ETRTO Schwalbe Smart Sams (UK only) measure 41 knob
to knob and 38 wall to sidewall (don't know what rim), so I guess
severe undersizing isn't true for all Schwalbes. Does anyone have a
Racer they can measure to compare stated with actual width?

Cheers,

Gernot


On Apr 21, 9:22 pm, rperks  wrote:
> You may have bought already but my four JB greens measure between 34
> and 35mm the two most broken in being 34.8 and  35.1, I am not sure
> you are gaining anything with the Paselas.  I have been looking at the
> spec chart for the Racers too, but too cheap to pull the trigger,
> based on ETRO the 38 racers should be 40mm wide.  I have found the
> schwalbes measure true to stated ETRO data not what is on the box at
> times.  Proportionally it should be like moving up from Rolly Pollys
> to JB, the 38 racers are the next step as far as I can see.
>
> For the moment it is JB green for me.
>
> Rob
>
> On Apr 21, 2:15 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I should have mentioned that durability is not an issue for me, and
> > neither is flat protection. I hardly ever get flats, have never
> > destroyed a tire, and I habitually ride tires well beyond their
> > intended use. I ride my Jack Brown Greens on hardpack trails with lots
> > of sharp rocks sticking out of the dirt, and have only gotten one
> > (pinch) flat in 6 months (tire probably only had 30-35 psi, because I
> > am lazy about topping up). I just want something that won't wash out
> > in deep sand as easily, and still be really nice on the road where I
> > ride 70-80% of the time. For dedicated offroading, I have 42mm IRC
> > Mythos XC Slicks, which do the job very well and still are decent on
> > the road.
>
> > On most of the skinwall tires I have had, the sidewalls turned
> > threadbare (due to UV/ozone, I assume) before the tread wore out, and
> > I'd much rather have that happen but have a supple tire than have a
> > bomb-proof tire that feels dead. So I'll probably give the regular
> > Marathons a miss. :)
>
> > I am about ready to order the 35 Paselas, because I have the sneaking
> > suspicion that the 38 Marathon Racers are actually skinnier than the
> > 35 Paselas, given that the 42 Supremes run 37.5 according to rivbike.
> > If the Racers run true to size, please let me know as I may try them
> > instead.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Gernot
>
> > On Apr 21, 11:37 am, Mike  wrote:
>
> > > You could just go with the basic wire bead Marathon that Riv sells:
>
> > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/schwalbe-marathon/10-068
>
> > > They're not supple but they're not that bad, especially when you
> > > consider the price. The model Riv sells measures 41 so it should fit
> > > on the Hillborne. They're nice off road, durable and confidence
> > > inspiring.
>
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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[Mojo]

On Apr 21, 3:15 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> I should have mentioned that durability is not an issue for me, and
> neither is flat protection. I hardly ever get flats, have never
> destroyed a tire,

Oh Gernot, you are so screwed. Apparently you haven't heard the old
saying, "Man plans and plans and the tire gods just laugh."

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[Shaun Meehan]

Someone recently asked for the actual width of the 38mm Marathon
Racers. I measured mine with a digital caliper and, as I recall, they
were at about 39mm. They are mounted to Sun Ryno Lite rims, which are
fairly wide.

Shaun Meehan

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Interesting, my 6 month old JB Greens measure 33.5mm on Synergies.
>
> I was under the impression that Schwalbe tires run narrow (judging
> from a few posts and from rivbike.com which says the 42 ETRTO Supremes
> are actually 37.5, the 47 Marathons are actually 41.5 and the 50 Big
> Apples are 44.5 (presumably on Synergies, the rim of choice at Riv).
> But Michael_S's 42 ETRTO Schwalbe Smart Sams (UK only) measure 41 knob
> to knob and 38 wall to sidewall (don't know what rim), so I guess
> severe undersizing isn't true for all Schwalbes. Does anyone have a
> Racer they can measure to compare stated with actual width?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot
>
>
> On Apr 21, 9:22 pm, rperks  wrote:
>> You may have bought already but my four JB greens measure between 34
>> and 35mm the two most broken in being 34.8 and  35.1, I am not sure
>> you are gaining anything with the Paselas.  I have been looking at the
>> spec chart for the Racers too, but too cheap to pull the trigger,
>> based on ETRO the 38 racers should be 40mm wide.  I have found the
>> schwalbes measure true to stated ETRO data not what is on the box at
>> times.  Proportionally it should be like moving up from Rolly Pollys
>> to JB, the 38 racers are the next step as far as I can see.
>>
>> For the moment it is JB green for me.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2:15 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I should have mentioned that durability is not an issue for me, and
>> > neither is flat protection. I hardly ever get flats, have never
>> > destroyed a tire, and I habitually ride tires well beyond their
>> > intended use. I ride my Jack Brown Greens on hardpack trails with lots
>> > of sharp rocks sticking out of the dirt, and have only gotten one
>> > (pinch) flat in 6 months (tire probably only had 30-35 psi, because I
>> > am lazy about topping up). I just want something that won't wash out
>> > in deep sand as easily, and still be really nice on the road where I
>> > ride 70-80% of the time. For dedicated offroading, I have 42mm IRC
>> > Mythos XC Slicks, which do the job very well and still are decent on
>> > the road.
>>
>> > On most of the skinwall tires I have had, the sidewalls turned
>> > threadbare (due to UV/ozone, I assume) before the tread wore out, and
>> > I'd much rather have that happen but have a supple tire than have a
>> > bomb-proof tire that feels dead. So I'll probably give the regular
>> > Marathons a miss. :)
>>
>> > I am about ready to order the 35 Paselas, because I have the sneaking
>> > suspicion that the 38 Marathon Racers are actually skinnier than the
>> > 35 Paselas, given that the 42 Supremes run 37.5 according to rivbike.
>> > If the Racers run true to size, please let me know as I may try them
>> > instead.
>>
>> > Cheers,
>>
>> > Gernot
>>
>> > On Apr 21, 11:37 am, Mike  wrote:
>>
>> > > You could just go with the basic wire bead Marathon that Riv sells:
>>
>> > >http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/schwalbe-marathon/10-068
>>
>> > > They're not supple but they're not that bad, especially when you
>> > > consider the price. The model Riv sells measures 41 so it should fit
>> > > on the Hillborne. They're nice off road, durable and confidence
>> > > inspiring.
>>
>> > > mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[CycloFiend]

on 4/21/10 4:48 AM, happyriding at happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have another question.  Is a 40x30 double a reasonable alternative
> to a 46x36x26 triple?

AASHTA -
If you haven't done so, I'd pay a visit to Sheldon's Gear Calculator.

http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/

You can play all kinds of "what ifs" there.  If you haven't worked with the
units of Gain Ratio or Gear-Inches, it's helpful to enter in some known
setups for reference first.


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[RBW] DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

Lots of Rivendells were on this ride. My Riv Road and I finished the 250+ mile 
course in 17:18.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623758002717/


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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[Mojo]

> Does anyone have a
> Racer they can measure to compare stated with actual width?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot

For my 559 wheels, the 1.5 inch Marathon Racer measures 40mm on a
Mavic 517 rim.

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[RBW] Re: Hilsen and tire clearance.

[wile]

Yes - I have read that before, but have been lazy.  It just seemed so
clean and easy to retire a set of tires at once (seriously - no pun
intended - it caught me by surprise).  Now, however, like many things
in life I will give in to peer pressure and start rotating front to
back.  Thanks guys - it will be much safer.

Dylan



On Apr 21, 6:40 am, Mike  wrote:
> On Apr 20, 11:55 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
> > I stopped rotating tires after reading this:
> >http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
> > If anything, I'll rotate the front to the rear only, now.
>
> > - J
>
> I was thinking the same thing Jim. Funny, I read that article for the
> first time only about a week ago. It makes sense.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[doug peterson]

happyriding:

+1 for spending time with Sheldon's calculator.  Great tool.

Make a note of which gears you are actually using.  With 20+
combinations, most of us only really use a portion of what's there.
Especially note the highest gear you're comfortable with.  You may
find out you've got a cog or 2 at the top end you never use with the
big ring.  With 8-9-10 cogs, a double can be perfectly reasonable.
The important thing to understand is what you need for your riding,
and set it up to match.

My touring bike has a triple with wide range gearing, because I never
know what I'll get myself into.  My knock around town bike has an old
7 speed and a couple of orphan rings because it really doesn't
matter.

dougP

On Apr 21, 8:46 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 4/21/10 4:48 AM, happyriding at happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I have another question.  Is a 40x30 double a reasonable alternative
> > to a 46x36x26 triple?
>
> AASHTA -
> If you haven't done so, I'd pay a visit to Sheldon's Gear Calculator.
>
> http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/
>
> You can play all kinds of "what ifs" there.  If you haven't worked with the
> units of Gain Ratio or Gear-Inches, it's helpful to enter in some known
> setups for reference first.
>
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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[RoadieRyan]

+2 on the gear calulator

Sheldon's calculator is a great way to compare the pros and cons of
Triple vs Compact for me it comes down to whether the low gear will
get me up the hills I need to climb in Hilly West Seattle?  I just
switched from a 50/34 11/34 to a 46/36/26  11/32 to get 3 extra low
gears FWIW

Ryan

On Apr 21, 9:32 am, doug peterson  wrote:
> happyriding:
>
> +1 for spending time with Sheldon's calculator.  Great tool.
>
> Make a note of which gears you are actually using.  With 20+
> combinations, most of us only really use a portion of what's there.
> Especially note the highest gear you're comfortable with.  You may
> find out you've got a cog or 2 at the top end you never use with the
> big ring.  With 8-9-10 cogs, a double can be perfectly reasonable.
> The important thing to understand is what you need for your riding,
> and set it up to match.
>
> My touring bike has a triple with wide range gearing, because I never
> know what I'll get myself into.  My knock around town bike has an old
> 7 speed and a couple of orphan rings because it really doesn't
> matter.
>
> dougP
>
> On Apr 21, 8:46 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 4/21/10 4:48 AM, happyriding at happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > I have another question.  Is a 40x30 double a reasonable alternative
> > > to a 46x36x26 triple?
>
> > AASHTA -
> > If you haven't done so, I'd pay a visit to Sheldon's Gear Calculator.
>
> >http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/
>
> > You can play all kinds of "what ifs" there.  If you haven't worked with the
> > units of Gain Ratio or Gear-Inches, it's helpful to enter in some known
> > setups for reference first.
>
> > --
> > Jim Edgar
> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
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> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
>
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> > it."
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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Patrick in VT]

On Apr 21, 3:13 am, Me  wrote:
>
> Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> unopened.
> Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> cassette hub.

this post is getting tagged as "Exhibit Y" ("Y," as in you-have-to-be-
kidding-me) in my on going domestic trial, "me vs. significant other"
in re: why my bicycle habit really isn't that bad.  i have high hopes
that this will move me closer to a settlement.

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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[Earl Grey]

Well, yes, I probably should just give up, buy some Hetres and a 650B
bike to go with them. :)

Another (probably ridiculous) option: Schwalbe Furious Freds, 50-622
ETRTO, 335g (!). Tiny knobs, not much rubber, high thread count
casing. Supposedly the fastest mtb tire ever. Anyone try it for mixed
road/off road? Probably won't last very long...
http://www.schwalbetires.com/furious_fred

Gernot

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> On Apr 21, 3:15 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > I should have mentioned that durability is not an issue for me, and
> > neither is flat protection. I hardly ever get flats, have never
> > destroyed a tire,
>
> Oh Gernot, you are so screwed. Apparently you haven't heard the old
> saying, "Man plans and plans and the tire gods just laugh."
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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[William]

Those Furious Freds look fun.  I love trying out tires.  Those would
be a kick to try.  $170 for a pair is a pretty expensive experiment,
though.  I'd almost pray that I don't like them.

On Apr 21, 10:06 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Well, yes, I probably should just give up, buy some Hetres and a 650B
> bike to go with them. :)
>
> Another (probably ridiculous) option: Schwalbe Furious Freds, 50-622
> ETRTO, 335g (!). Tiny knobs, not much rubber, high thread count
> casing. Supposedly the fastest mtb tire ever. Anyone try it for mixed
> road/off road? Probably won't last very 
> long...http://www.schwalbetires.com/furious_fred
>
> Gernot
>
> On Apr 21, 10:38 pm, Mojo  wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 3:15 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > I should have mentioned that durability is not an issue for me, and
> > > neither is flat protection. I hardly ever get flats, have never
> > > destroyed a tire,
>
> > Oh Gernot, you are so screwed. Apparently you haven't heard the old
> > saying, "Man plans and plans and the tire gods just laugh."
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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter Adjustment

[MichaelH]

Beeswax on the threads, an  interesting suggestion that is .   Give
that a go, I will. Get beeswax, I must.  ( I'm practicing my Yoda for
a Sat. costume party)

Not sure about the deraillers spring tension.. One Centaur medium
cage, one Centaur long cage and one Ultegra.

Michael

On Apr 21, 11:09 am, William  wrote:
> Remember to beeswax the threads on the D-ring screw.  Liberally.
> Pretend that the hunk of beeswax is a crayon, and scratch it back and
> forth on the threads all around.  It helps a great deal.  Nature's loc-
> tite
>
> On Apr 21, 7:19 am, Angus  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Michael,
>
> > I have noticed that the silver shifters need more tightening on rear
> > derailleurs that have a higher spring tension.
>
> > My experience between DT and Bar end has been the opposite of
> > yours...I don't understand why.   I end up tightening the DT silver
> > shifters during most rides.
>
> > Angus
>
> > On Apr 21, 9:07 am, MichaelH  wrote:
>
> > > Between my wife and I, we have four bikes with silver shifters, two DT
> > > and two BE.  The DT shifters can be set with a very light touch and
> > > hold that position without any loosening and skipping.  However the
> > > two BE need to be tightened down to a point where the shifting is much
> > > stiffer, and sill I find after a few days of riding the D ring will
> > > loosen a bit and the chain will jump gears.
>
> > > The only other variable I can think of is that the bikes with BE are
> > > more often ridden on dirt and rough roads.  Has anyone else noticed
> > > this?
>
> > > Michael
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[RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr

[William]

That's quite a ride.  Very well done.  Looks like you had close to
ideal weather.

On Apr 21, 8:46 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Lots of Rivendells were on this ride. My Riv Road and I finished the 250+ 
> mile course in 17:18.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623758002717/
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> --Eric
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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Ethan]

Scott,

I think you may have found the --I thought un-attainable-- point at
which you have too many bikes. I never thought I would say that to
anyone.

Ethan

On Apr 21, 3:13 am, Me  wrote:
> ...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
> right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
> various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
> Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].
>
> Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> unopened.
> Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> cassette hub.
>
> Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
> whole 650B thang.
>
> **no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**
>
> -Scott
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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Me]

Oddly, I don't have that many by most standards...

I have my Bob Brown custom, a Big Dummy and a Pugsley.  And, of
course, as of last night, down in my basement, an unearthed Rivendell
Bleriot.

To the fella that asked: sure, I can take some fotos as I build her
up.  That would be fun!

To the other fella in PDX... yes indeedy, love to go for a ride!

-Scott



On Apr 21, 11:26 am, Ethan  wrote:
> Scott,
>
> I think you may have found the --I thought un-attainable-- point at
> which you have too many bikes. I never thought I would say that to
> anyone.
>
> Ethan
>
> On Apr 21, 3:13 am, Me  wrote:
>
>
>
> > ...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
> > right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
> > various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
> > Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].
>
> > Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> > 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> > parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> > beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> > unopened.
> > Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> > laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> > cassette hub.
>
> > Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
> > whole 650B thang.
>
> > **no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**
>
> > -Scott
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

We did have great weather.

Next up is a 600-kilometer (375 mile) ride on May 22.

--Eric

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:05 AM, William  wrote:

> That's quite a ride.  Very well done.  Looks like you had close to
> ideal weather.
> 
> On Apr 21, 8:46 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> Lots of Rivendells were on this ride. My Riv Road and I finished the 250+ 
>> mile course in 17:18.
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623758002717/
>> 
>> --Eric
>> 
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[RBW] Re: DBC 400K 4-17-10 - a set on Flickr

[Esteban]

Wow, Eric - you made great time.  Congratulations!
Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Apr 21, 11:05 am, William  wrote:
> That's quite a ride.  Very well done.  Looks like you had close to
> ideal weather.
>
> On Apr 21, 8:46 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
> > Lots of Rivendells were on this ride. My Riv Road and I finished the 250+ 
> > mile course in 17:18.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157623758002717/
>
> > --Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 07:26 -0700, MichaelH wrote:
> To answer two questions at once.  Indexed shifting a triple is more
> trouble than its worth.   It will need more adjustments and offer less
> trim finesse.  So, skip the indexing and the ramped rings.

I certainly agree with skipping the indexing for front shifting, but if
you have ramped and pinned chain rings, they don't hurt in any way.



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[RBW] Re: Pasela 35/37 or Marathon Racer 38?

[rperks]

Genot,
I am putting together some tire data with pictures here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36302...@n08/sets/72157623904189610/
I will look to see if this is being duplocated elsewhere, but will
ikely start a flikr group later today to pool data
Also, this is for 650b, 
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pZl-EANnWYi7hiDUv_KjoLw
but does anybody know of a pool of data like this for 700C?

Rob

On Apr 21, 10:06 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Well, yes, I probably should just give up, buy some Hetres and a 650B
> bike to go with them. :)
>
> Another (probably ridiculous) option: Schwalbe Furious Freds, 50-622
> ETRTO, 335g (!). Tiny knobs, not much rubber, high thread count
> casing. Supposedly the fastest mtb tire ever. Anyone try it for mixed
> road/off road? Probably won't last very 
> long...http://www.schwalbetires.com/furious_fred
>
> Gernot
>
> On Apr 21, 10:38 pm, Mojo  wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 3:15 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > I should have mentioned that durability is not an issue for me, and
> > > neither is flat protection. I hardly ever get flats, have never
> > > destroyed a tire,
>
> > Oh Gernot, you are so screwed. Apparently you haven't heard the old
> > saying, "Man plans and plans and the tire gods just laugh."
>
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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter Adjustment

[William]

Any fabric store has beeswax for thread waxing, so you can get it
faster than Riv will ship it to you.  The fabric store size is
particularly handy in that it's a 2" diameter flat disc so it's easy
to hold and to scratch onto any bolt.  It's also convenient in that it
stays pretty clean in a little plastic case.  The dixie cup quantity
is neither of those things, although I suppose you could heat it up
and make it whatever shape you want.

On Apr 21, 11:02 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> Beeswax on the threads, an  interesting suggestion that is .   Give
> that a go, I will. Get beeswax, I must.  ( I'm practicing my Yoda for
> a Sat. costume party)
>
> Not sure about the deraillers spring tension.. One Centaur medium
> cage, one Centaur long cage and one Ultegra.
>
> Michael
>
> On Apr 21, 11:09 am, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Remember to beeswax the threads on the D-ring screw.  Liberally.
> > Pretend that the hunk of beeswax is a crayon, and scratch it back and
> > forth on the threads all around.  It helps a great deal.  Nature's loc-
> > tite
>
> > On Apr 21, 7:19 am, Angus  wrote:
>
> > > Michael,
>
> > > I have noticed that the silver shifters need more tightening on rear
> > > derailleurs that have a higher spring tension.
>
> > > My experience between DT and Bar end has been the opposite of
> > > yours...I don't understand why.   I end up tightening the DT silver
> > > shifters during most rides.
>
> > > Angus
>
> > > On Apr 21, 9:07 am, MichaelH  wrote:
>
> > > > Between my wife and I, we have four bikes with silver shifters, two DT
> > > > and two BE.  The DT shifters can be set with a very light touch and
> > > > hold that position without any loosening and skipping.  However the
> > > > two BE need to be tightened down to a point where the shifting is much
> > > > stiffer, and sill I find after a few days of riding the D ring will
> > > > loosen a bit and the chain will jump gears.
>
> > > > The only other variable I can think of is that the bikes with BE are
> > > > more often ridden on dirt and rough roads.  Has anyone else noticed
> > > > this?
>
> > > > Michael
>
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[RBW] Road Bike Tire Size Data

[rperks]

As we all know there tends to be an obsession over tire size data,
actual vs stated, etc.  I started a group on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/1410...@n21/
for pooling photo data of actual measurements.  I alm also hoping to
pool data into a spread sheet similar to this one:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pZl-EANnWYi7hiDUv_KjoLw
for 650B, but make it inclusive of all sizes generally used on the
road.  I figure this will help the retentive among us with our online
purchases and conversion projects as well.

If this is already being done point me in the right direction and we
can combine forces.

Rob

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[RBW] 5 boro bike ride in New York City?

[rb]

Anyone on this list (or the Kog or Ibob) going? I will be taking the
train down from the Berkshires, would be nice to organize a meetup
(maybe a little side trip through some of the more esoteric dining
spots in the outer boros as well?) .  Ron

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter Adjustment

[rcnute]

+1 on the beeswax for shifters...

Ryan

On Apr 21, 11:46 am, William  wrote:
> Any fabric store has beeswax for thread waxing, so you can get it
> faster than Riv will ship it to you.  The fabric store size is
> particularly handy in that it's a 2" diameter flat disc so it's easy
> to hold and to scratch onto any bolt.  It's also convenient in that it
> stays pretty clean in a little plastic case.  The dixie cup quantity
> is neither of those things, although I suppose you could heat it up
> and make it whatever shape you want.
>
> On Apr 21, 11:02 am, MichaelH  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Beeswax on the threads, an  interesting suggestion that is .   Give
> > that a go, I will. Get beeswax, I must.  ( I'm practicing my Yoda for
> > a Sat. costume party)
>
> > Not sure about the deraillers spring tension.. One Centaur medium
> > cage, one Centaur long cage and one Ultegra.
>
> > Michael
>
> > On Apr 21, 11:09 am, William  wrote:
>
> > > Remember to beeswax the threads on the D-ring screw.  Liberally.
> > > Pretend that the hunk of beeswax is a crayon, and scratch it back and
> > > forth on the threads all around.  It helps a great deal.  Nature's loc-
> > > tite
>
> > > On Apr 21, 7:19 am, Angus  wrote:
>
> > > > Michael,
>
> > > > I have noticed that the silver shifters need more tightening on rear
> > > > derailleurs that have a higher spring tension.
>
> > > > My experience between DT and Bar end has been the opposite of
> > > > yours...I don't understand why.   I end up tightening the DT silver
> > > > shifters during most rides.
>
> > > > Angus
>
> > > > On Apr 21, 9:07 am, MichaelH  wrote:
>
> > > > > Between my wife and I, we have four bikes with silver shifters, two DT
> > > > > and two BE.  The DT shifters can be set with a very light touch and
> > > > > hold that position without any loosening and skipping.  However the
> > > > > two BE need to be tightened down to a point where the shifting is much
> > > > > stiffer, and sill I find after a few days of riding the D ring will
> > > > > loosen a bit and the chain will jump gears.
>
> > > > > The only other variable I can think of is that the bikes with BE are
> > > > > more often ridden on dirt and rough roads.  Has anyone else noticed
> > > > > this?
>
> > > > > Michael
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[RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?

[Jeremy Till]

oh man, just imagine that thing built up with a phil fixed gear mtn.
wheelset, bullmoose bars, a single front cantilever, and either those
60mm big apples or fat knobbiesperfect.

On Apr 20, 5:13 pm, rperks  wrote:
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/230
>
> Wondering if it is the fixed gear mtn bike from the San Diego Show?
> Can not imagine it would be something to take a loss on.  Even with
> the current state of the union something that created that much drool
> must have value.  No telling if that is the one though.
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[RBW] Maybe WTB: 59 Bleriot?

[rcnute]

All this talk of Bleriots got me thinking.  I'm "maybe" looking for a
59 frame/fork.  'Course, my maybes turn into ams, so...

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[RoadieRyan]

Damn  I wish I had me one them Magic basements!  Now I could probably
cobble something together from the flotsam and Jetsom in the garage
but a Schwinn Varsity isn't nearly as cool as a Bleriot..  Have fun
with the build Scott.  Maybe some White 42cm Grand Bois Hetres on
those synergys?

http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/images/HetreblancMR.jpg

R

On Apr 21, 11:32 am, Me  wrote:
> Oddly, I don't have that many by most standards...
>
> I have my Bob Brown custom, a Big Dummy and a Pugsley.  And, of
> course, as of last night, down in my basement, an unearthed Rivendell
> Bleriot.
>
> To the fella that asked: sure, I can take some fotos as I build her
> up.  That would be fun!
>
> To the other fella in PDX... yes indeedy, love to go for a ride!
>
> -Scott
>
> On Apr 21, 11:26 am, Ethan  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Scott,
>
> > I think you may have found the --I thought un-attainable-- point at
> > which you have too many bikes. I never thought I would say that to
> > anyone.
>
> > Ethan
>
> > On Apr 21, 3:13 am, Me  wrote:
>
> > > ...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
> > > right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
> > > various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
> > > Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].
>
> > > Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> > > 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> > > parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> > > beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> > > unopened.
> > > Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> > > laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> > > cassette hub.
>
> > > Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
> > > whole 650B thang.
>
> > > **no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**
>
> > > -Scott
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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[sjauch]

If only I had a basement to hide things in. Lucky you!

On Apr 21, 3:13 am, Me  wrote:
> ...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
> right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
> various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
> Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].
>
> Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> unopened.
> Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> cassette hub.
>
> Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
> whole 650B thang.
>
> **no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**
>
> -Scott
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[RBW] Re: 5 boro bike ride in New York City?

[sjauch]

I'm not doing the 5Boro ride, I heard it's kind of a frustrating. I do
live in NYC though and wouldn't mind meeting up for some food and a
short spin.

On Apr 21, 2:59 pm, rb  wrote:
> Anyone on this list (or the Kog or Ibob) going? I will be taking the
> train down from the Berkshires, would be nice to organize a meetup
> (maybe a little side trip through some of the more esoteric dining
> spots in the outer boros as well?) .  Ron
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[RBW] OT: Respect you wheel builder, Rich to be exact

[RonLau]

For those of you who don't know, Rich works as a musician in Bay
Area.  Last night I went and see him and his wife play at a cafe in
town.

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwumDTwukgY

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[RBW] Dynamo Hub and Light - Novatech by Velo Orange?

[Trent in TX]

Hey there,

Does anyone have experience with the Velo Orange Novatech Dynamo hub?
At $50, it seems like a good value. Everything that I've bought from
Velo Orange in the past has been quality, and the product description
leads me to think that this is no exception.

http://www.velo-orange.com/nodyhub.html

As far as lights go, the Inoled from peterwhite cycles looks like a
winner. I know I want to go LED.

http://www.velo-orange.com/nodyhub.html

Any input is much appreciated!

Thanks,
Trent
Austin, TX

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Hillborne

[Johnny Alien]

Wow.  There is alot of great info here.  So the Hillborne is much
tougher than I originally though.

As far as the double top tube on the Hunqapillar...I typically ride a
53 frame which means I would need the 48 Hunqapillar (if that's what I
go with) which would not have the double top tube anyway.

Tough call..the Hunqa looks GREAT built up that way on the site but an
orange hillborne with big wheels and Bullmoose bars would probably
look equally great.

On Apr 21, 8:28 am, happyriding  wrote:
> On Apr 21, 5:14 am, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> > Hmmm...it seems like it is not a crazy idea at all then.  I now have
> > options!  Does anyone know if the Hunqapillar colors on the site are
> > the final colors?
>
> The last I read, they were thinking of offering two options: red panel/
> headtube and orange panel/headtube.
>
> As for the strength of the Sam Hillborne, here is what Rivendell
> Reader #41 (which is free to download) said when introducing the Sam
> Hillborne:
>
> ---
> The Sam may be even more versatile than the AHH, because the
> tubing is slightly thicker (same gauge as the Atlantis), so it more
> suited
> to loaded touring. With AHH clearance, Atlantis tubing gauges, and a
> fork that splits the diff, you can think of it as halfway between the
> Atlantis and A. Homer Hilsen.
> --
>
> I'm not sure what that fork comment is referring to (clearance?
> tubing?).
>
> I've read that the Atlantis tubing is butted .9/.6/.9.  And the same
> Riv Reader that introduces the Hillborne has an article about the
> Bombadil.  The article on the Bombadil says the tubing is .1 thicker
> than the Atlantis, so that would make the tubes on the Bombadil 1.0
> millimeter thick.  The article also says the Bomadil's down tube and
> double top tubes are straight gauge (no butting).   The Hunqapillar is
> described as having Bombadil stout tubing in the main tubes, which
> presumably means the top and down tubes (and that might also be the
> case for the down tube as well).
>
> In any case, the Hunqapillar has 1.0 mm tubing, and the Sam Hillborne
> and Atlantis have .9 mm tubing.   The Atlantis is recommended for
> fully loaded touring.  Therefore, it seems like the Sam Hillborne is a
> pretty stout bike.
>
> Also, are you aware that the double top tube design of the Hunqapillar
> has morphed into something different than depicted on the website?
> The second top tube is most likely going to angle down and join the
> seat tube in the middle of the seat tube.
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[RBW] Re: OT: Respect you wheel builder, Rich to be exact

[William]

Nice video.  Thanks.  Rich can play.

On Apr 21, 1:54 pm, RonLau  wrote:
> For those of you who don't know, Rich works as a musician in Bay
> Area.  Last night I went and see him and his wife play at a cafe in
> town.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwumDTwukgY
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[RBW] Re: OT: Respect you wheel builder, Rich to be exact

[RonLau]

Bird's tune no less

On Apr 21, 2:21 pm, William  wrote:
> Nice video.  Thanks.  Rich can play.
>
> On Apr 21, 1:54 pm, RonLau  wrote:
>
> > For those of you who don't know, Rich works as a musician in Bay
> > Area.  Last night I went and see him and his wife play at a cafe in
> > town.
>
> > Enjoy.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwumDTwukgY
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[RBW] Re: OT: Respect you wheel builder, Rich to be exact

[bfd]

On Apr 21, 1:54 pm, RonLau  wrote:
> For those of you who don't know, Rich works as a musician in Bay
> Area.  Last night I went and see him and his wife play at a cafe in
> town.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwumDTwukgY
>
Nice video! Ron, thanks!  Btw, how do Rich's wheels compare to someone
like Len at the Bike Nook?

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[RBW] Schmidt/B&M Bulbs for Sale

[Eric Norris]

I've switched to LED lighting, and have a number of spare bulbs to fit schmidt 
E6 and B&M Lumotec headlights that I no longer need.  I'm not sure if these are 
the 2.4 or 3-watt versions (see 
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt-headlights.asp#bulbs).  Peter White 
sells them for $4.50 to $5.50; I'll send them to you for $2.50 each including 
postage. Limited quantities--contact me offline if you're interested.

--Eric

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hub and Light - Novatech by Velo Orange?

[Eric Norris]

Haven't used one, but I like the look of that connector--nice and beefy!

--Eric

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On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Trent in TX  wrote:

> Hey there,
> 
> Does anyone have experience with the Velo Orange Novatech Dynamo hub?
> At $50, it seems like a good value. Everything that I've bought from
> Velo Orange in the past has been quality, and the product description
> leads me to think that this is no exception.
> 
> http://www.velo-orange.com/nodyhub.html
> 
> As far as lights go, the Inoled from peterwhite cycles looks like a
> winner. I know I want to go LED.
> 
> http://www.velo-orange.com/nodyhub.html
> 
> Any input is much appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> Trent
> Austin, TX
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[RBW] Wind!

[PATRICK MOORE]

A Sam Hill with big, boxy Axiom Panniers and a big, boxy Ostrich bag is a
barn door in our spring winds. I just rode 8 miles in the hooks straight
south into a southerly "28 g 35". This builds patience and strength of
character.

The Axioms -- half price at AE Bike, $44 -- are big, drape-over Dutch-style
shopping panniers, just one big empty space on each side with no annoying
side pockets, zippers, compartments or cinches: just good old fashioned
emptiness, big enough with room to spare for a full paper grocery sack,
each; and a fitted flap with two, simple fastek buckles. I'll take photos
when I get the attachments for my new Canon.

Probably not up to touring, but better than my Ortleib Packers for shopping.

Oh, and big bar bags act like wind rudders in gusty sidewinds; keep a firm
grip on your bar!

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[RBW] Re: OT: Respect you wheel builder, Rich to be exact

[RonLau]

OK, this can get me in trouble.  Keep in mind this is MY option.  YMMV
of course.

Rich crossed US before (he is talking about doing it again btw), he
knows touring bike, and what kind of wheels you need.  He also has a
tandem, xtracycle and other all rounders type of bike.  So he knows
touring and what to make a wheel last.

Len used to race, tubulars world. Currently his Della Santa is Dura
Ace 10s with Downtube index shifter.

I can say all my Rich wheels NEVER has a problem before, has not true
them once, no broken spokes.  Some of the road in SF can be a little
rough.

I also have wheels Len build, a set of Campy Centuar hub with FIR Tour
rim, he trued them once after 10 years.  The nipples are turing green
but I plan on riding them until something break.  He build a Chorus/OP
wheel for me, it

So, IMHO, either one can build you a set of wheels that last a long
time.  They come from different background but their wheels last for
me.  For ref. I weight 165 and most of my wheels are 32 spokes, a few
28 and a few 36.

Ron



On Apr 21, 2:29 pm, bfd  wrote:
> On Apr 21, 1:54 pm, RonLau  wrote:> For those of you who 
> don't know, Rich works as a musician in Bay
> > Area.  Last night I went and see him and his wife play at a cafe in
> > town.
>
> > Enjoy.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwumDTwukgY
>
> Nice video! Ron, thanks!  Btw, how do Rich's wheels compare to someone
> like Len at the Bike Nook?
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Re: [RBW] Wind!

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On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 15:35 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> Oh, and big bar bags act like wind rudders in gusty sidewinds; keep a
> firm grip on your bar!


Well, not necessarily.  I have two of the biggest handlebar bags out
there, Gilles Berthoud GB28 and 2886.  They're considerably larger than
an Ostrich bag: 260mm wide, 220mm tall, and 200mm deep for the Ostrich,
Height: 270mm, Width without pockets: 270mm, Depth without front pocket:
145mm.  On a low trail bike like my Kogswell P/R or my Velo Orange
Randonneur, gusty sidewinds do not yank the bars around.  



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[RBW] Re: fatter tires for 26" wheels

[JGS]

I second the 1.5 Marathon Racers.  I run them on my Atlantis in NYC.
When I first got the bike I was running 1.5 inch Paselas and they felt
slow.   I switched to 1.25 T-Servs.  I liked them but somehow wanted
something cushier.  The Racers feel very fast and cushier.  I'd be
curious to try the 1.5 Paselas again to see if I was fair to them.
The Racers have flatted on me a couple of times while i never ever got
a flat with the T-Servs.

On Apr 20, 6:56 pm, Tim McNamara  wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Beth H wrote:
>
> > Mojo  wrote:
> >> I would like to echo Patrick's thoughts. Beth, Patrick, and I are all
> >> riding Rivendell 26ers, with higher trail than the Kogswells used in
> >> the BQ tests.
>
> > I am not an expert on bike gemometry. That said, I keep wondering if
> > there is a correlation between wheel size and frame size that changes
> > the ride quality as well? I've mostly heard responses here from guys
> > who ride much bigger frames than I do. Would a larger frame (and
> > longer chainstay lengths, and bigger everything else) change the ride
> > quality that much? Would it change the tire choice substantially? It
> > sounds like it's up to the individual rider, but I remain curious.
> > Obviously, a 1.5 Pasela seems to been a good solution for me, but my
> > frame is a 53cm c-t (55cm c-c top tube). How would this be for someone
> > who rides a 60cm frame? Would it make a difference at all?
>
> Mine (1996) is a 59.5 with a 59 cm top tube.  So the top tube is  
> about 4 cm longer than yours.  I don't know if the chainstays are  
> longer, but even if they are the same the wheelbase would be maybe 4  
> cm longer, depending on the front geometry.  If the chainstays are  
> longer, then my wheelbase might be longer still.
>
> All other things being equal, a bike with a longer wheelbase will be  
> more stable.  I suspect a small/short top tube, low-trail bike with  
> really short chain stays and skinny hard tires would be like riding  
> one of those bikes with two wheels that steer.
>
> The best handling bike (for racing, back when I raced) I ever rode is  
> my Ritchey with 700 x 23 Michelin Super Course slicks.  It had the  
> perfect balance of stable and nimble for racing.  Now that I don't  
> race, I still ride it but not as much.  I prefer slightly fatter  
> tires and a bit more stability at the expense of some nimbleness; the  
> Ritchey will fit 25s and I might be able to squeeze in 28s, but it  
> doesn't handle as nice with the bigger tires.  I ride the Riv A/R  
> most of the time and my homebrew 3 speed the almost all the rest of  
> the time.
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Re: [RBW] OT: Respect you wheel builder, Rich to be exact

[PATRICK MOORE]

Pretty good, Rich. -- Even though I am not a jazz fan -- prefer white boy
blues (Paul Butterfield, Eric Clapton: think "Crossroads".)

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM, RonLau  wrote:

> For those of you who don't know, Rich works as a musician in Bay
> Area.  Last night I went and see him and his wife play at a cafe in
> town.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwumDTwukgY
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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[velomann]

In my basement, all I discovered was that the litter box needs
changing, and that the Peugeot mixte, the Rockhopper, the abandoned-by-
a-homeless-person-on-my-front-lawn Motobecane mixte, and the 83' Trek
are all still waiting to be rebuilt. Couldn't find a Rivy anywhere,
and I was so sure...

Scott and MJ, I'm in too on the ride. Let's make it happen soon. Wish
the OR's had a populaire planned, but we can always do our own.
Probably would get to sleep in a bit if we did.

And Scott, I think you and your daughter should consider volunteering
as "intersection superheroes" for a Sunday Parkways event. Bring your
sticks, a plastic bucket or 2, and a bunch of sidewalk chalk. And
maybe a cape or 2. Just an idea.

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> ...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
> right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
> various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
> Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].
>
> Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> unopened.
> Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> cassette hub.
>
> Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
> whole 650B thang.
>
> **no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**
>
> -Scott
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Re: [RBW] Schmidt/B&M Bulbs for Sale

[PATRICK MOORE]

Will those work on any incandescent headlight? I have an old Sanyo on the
Sam Hill.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I've switched to LED lighting, and have a number of spare bulbs to fit
> schmidt E6 and B&M Lumotec headlights that I no longer need.  I'm not sure
> if these are the 2.4 or 3-watt versions (see
> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt-headlights.asp#bulbs).  Peter
> White sells them for $4.50 to $5.50; I'll send them to you for $2.50 each
> including postage. Limited quantities--contact me offline if you're
> interested.
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Re: [RBW] Schmidt/B&M Bulbs for Sale

[Eric Norris]

Not sure. See if Peter White has a picture of them and compare with yours.

--Eric

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> Will those work on any incandescent headlight? I have an old Sanyo on the Sam 
> Hill.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
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> schmidt E6 and B&M Lumotec headlights that I no longer need.  I'm not sure if 
> these are the 2.4 or 3-watt versions (see 
> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt-headlights.asp#bulbs).  Peter White 
> sells them for $4.50 to $5.50; I'll send them to you for $2.50 each including 
> postage. Limited quantities--contact me offline if you're interested.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[Robert F. Harrison]

I live in an apartment...no basement at all. But...we do have a shared
storage space.

Apparently sometime back in the late 90's I'd stashed a local brand (back
when more stores labeled their own) ATB (remember all terrain bikes?). Last
year the building manager reminded me it was there and told me to move it or
lose it. I turned it into a my first single speed since I was a kid. I like
it so much I bought my Quickbeam which will not be going into the storage
space. :-)

I ride it all the time, especially when I've got to leave a bike locked up
outside, though I have Riv'd it up a bit with fenders, a Brooks B17, Grip
King pedals, and a brass bell; which where any resemblance to a Bleriot
ends.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/4428293840/



Aloha!

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[RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much

[doug peterson]

Uh, Scott, if you ever need any storage space for stuff like that, let
me know!  I'll look after the good stuff until you remember.

dougP

On Apr 21, 12:13 am, Me  wrote:
> ...just walked down into our basement to get a tool, looked over to my
> right and was curious what was in one of our many boxes from our
> various relocations in the past 3 years [first, from the NYC area to
> Minnesota, and then, now, to Portland, OR].
>
> Ha, completely forgot I have a brand new, totally un-built Rivendell
> 'Bleriot' frameset with all the parts sitting in a box.  Some nice
> parts too: lugged stem, Noodles, Paul 'Racer' brakes, TA rings and a
> beautiful daVinci crankset... all sitting in there, all new and
> unopened.
> Box next to it, a brand new wheelset of Velocity 650B 'Synergy' rims,
> laced to a SON hub for the front and for the rear, a Chris King
> cassette hub.
>
> Me thinks I am going to finally build this thing up and try out the
> whole 650B thang.
>
> **no wonder my wife continually reminds me I am an idiot**
>
> -Scott
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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[happyriding]

Good point about constantly needing the in between gears.  The problem
is I don't know where that is for a touring bike.   I only have a road
bike, which is set up with a 53x39 and 13-29, which works well for me
in all types of terrain.

I was thinking about the possibility of coupling the pending Velo
Orange Gran Cru crank ($125), which is a 46x30 double, with a
Rivendell/Shimano 12-36 9 speed cassette.  That would result in a
lower top end than a 53x13 (110.1 v. 103.5).

Any comments on whether that is practical?  Are doubles just not used
for touring bikes?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[happyriding]

On Apr 21, 5:11 pm, happyriding  wrote:
> Good point about constantly needing the in between gears.  The problem
> is I don't know where that is for a touring bike.   I only have a road
> bike, which is set up with a 53x39 and 13-29, which works well for me
> in all types of terrain.
>
> I was thinking about the possibility of coupling the pending Velo
> Orange Gran Cru crank ($125), which is a 46x30 double
>

I forgot to mention, the Gran Cru has matching ramps and pins.

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Re: [RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 16:11 -0700, happyriding wrote:
> Good point about constantly needing the in between gears.  The problem
> is I don't know where that is for a touring bike.   I only have a road
> bike, which is set up with a 53x39 and 13-29, which works well for me
> in all types of terrain.

So try loading up your road bike with 20 lb of rocks in a bag and see
how that affects your overall gearing.  I'd guess you'll need a gear
probably 2 shifts lower for any given incline over what you'd need
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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[William]

...and the 46/30 is predicted to be $175, not $125.  Still a bargain

http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2010/02/grand-cru-crank.html



On Apr 21, 4:14 pm, happyriding  wrote:
> On Apr 21, 5:11 pm, happyriding  wrote:
>
> > Good point about constantly needing the in between gears.  The problem
> > is I don't know where that is for a touring bike.   I only have a road
> > bike, which is set up with a 53x39 and 13-29, which works well for me
> > in all types of terrain.
>
> > I was thinking about the possibility of coupling the pending Velo
> > Orange Gran Cru crank ($125), which is a 46x30 double
>
> I forgot to mention, the Gran Cru has matching ramps and pins.
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[RBW] FS: Power Grips, NEW

[David Hallerman]

Hi,

I have a set of Power Grips for sale, black, new.

Were installed, but never used -- even for one ride -- and removed.

Complete with all hardware.

Here's a view:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Hillborne

[andrew hill]

I'll say that my Hillborne, with 40 Maraton Supremes, rides like a tank.  

A really expensive tank, with amazing suspension.  The Deore XTs and Mavic 
A719s and 36h lacing might have something to do with that, too.

I'm 200+ and typically ride with a timbuktu and a left pannier, lock/cables, 
etc... haven't ever felt a more glossy ride from a bike, though i can still 
feel the road perfectly, if that makes any sense.  
because it's so "sturdy" i do find it's much more important to unweight the 
seat on this bike or i get bounced, but that's more about my riding skills than 
anything.

-andrew


On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:

> Wow.  There is alot of great info here.  So the Hillborne is much
> tougher than I originally though.
> 
> As far as the double top tube on the Hunqapillar...I typically ride a
> 53 frame which means I would need the 48 Hunqapillar (if that's what I
> go with) which would not have the double top tube anyway.
> 
> Tough call..the Hunqa looks GREAT built up that way on the site but an
> orange hillborne with big wheels and Bullmoose bars would probably
> look equally great.
> 
> On Apr 21, 8:28 am, happyriding  wrote:
>> On Apr 21, 5:14 am, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmmm...it seems like it is not a crazy idea at all then.  I now have
>>> options!  Does anyone know if the Hunqapillar colors on the site are
>>> the final colors?
>> 
>> The last I read, they were thinking of offering two options: red panel/
>> headtube and orange panel/headtube.
>> 
>> As for the strength of the Sam Hillborne, here is what Rivendell
>> Reader #41 (which is free to download) said when introducing the Sam
>> Hillborne:
>> 
>> ---
>> The Sam may be even more versatile than the AHH, because the
>> tubing is slightly thicker (same gauge as the Atlantis), so it more
>> suited
>> to loaded touring. With AHH clearance, Atlantis tubing gauges, and a
>> fork that splits the diff, you can think of it as halfway between the
>> Atlantis and A. Homer Hilsen.
>> --
>> 
>> I'm not sure what that fork comment is referring to (clearance?
>> tubing?).
>> 
>> I've read that the Atlantis tubing is butted .9/.6/.9.  And the same
>> Riv Reader that introduces the Hillborne has an article about the
>> Bombadil.  The article on the Bombadil says the tubing is .1 thicker
>> than the Atlantis, so that would make the tubes on the Bombadil 1.0
>> millimeter thick.  The article also says the Bomadil's down tube and
>> double top tubes are straight gauge (no butting).   The Hunqapillar is
>> described as having Bombadil stout tubing in the main tubes, which
>> presumably means the top and down tubes (and that might also be the
>> case for the down tube as well).
>> 
>> In any case, the Hunqapillar has 1.0 mm tubing, and the Sam Hillborne
>> and Atlantis have .9 mm tubing.   The Atlantis is recommended for
>> fully loaded touring.  Therefore, it seems like the Sam Hillborne is a
>> pretty stout bike.
>> 
>> Also, are you aware that the double top tube design of the Hunqapillar
>> has morphed into something different than depicted on the website?
>> The second top tube is most likely going to angle down and join the
>> seat tube in the middle of the seat tube.
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Re: [RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[rswatson]

On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:41, Steve Palincsar  wrote:


On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 07:26 -0700, MichaelH wrote:

To answer two questions at once.  Indexed shifting a triple is more
trouble than its worth.   It will need more adjustments and offer  
less

trim finesse.  So, skip the indexing and the ramped rings.


I certainly agree with skipping the indexing for front shifting, but  
if

you have ramped and pinned chain rings, they don't hurt in any way.


They might. I once got a pinned large ring by mistake and whenever I  
was in the small ring, the pins on the big ring would snag the chain,  
making lots of irritating noises. I foolishly tried to drill the pins  
out, but just ended up destroying the ring.


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Re: [RBW] Wind!

[James Dinneen]

Cannot find the web page for A&E. Pictures would be good. Jim  D.    
Massachusetts

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From: PATRICK MOORE 
Subject: [RBW] Wind!
To: "rbw-owners-bunch" 
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:35 PM

A Sam Hill with big, boxy Axiom Panniers and a big, boxy Ostrich bag is a barn 
door in our spring winds. I just rode 8 miles in the hooks straight south into 
a southerly "28 g 35". This builds patience and strength of character.

The Axioms -- half price at AE Bike, $44 -- are big, drape-over Dutch-style 
shopping panniers, just one big empty space on each side with no annoying side 
pockets, zippers, compartments or cinches: just good old fashioned emptiness, 
big enough with room to spare for a full paper grocery sack, each; and a fitted 
flap with two, simple fastek buckles. I'll take photos when I get the 
attachments for my new Canon.

Probably not up to touring, but better than my Ortleib Packers for shopping.
Oh, and big bar bags act like wind rudders in gusty sidewinds; keep a firm grip 
on your bar!


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[RBW] Re: Maybe WTB: 59 Bleriot?

[Johnny Alien]

These seem to be getting tougher to find. I absolutely love mine.

On Apr 21, 3:25 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> All this talk of Bleriots got me thinking.  I'm "maybe" looking for a
> 59 frame/fork.  'Course, my maybes turn into ams, so...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Maybe WTB: 59 Bleriot?

[cyclotourist]

Have you checked your basement?

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:

> These seem to be getting tougher to find. I absolutely love mine.
>
> On Apr 21, 3:25 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> > All this talk of Bleriots got me thinking.  I'm "maybe" looking for a
> > 59 frame/fork.  'Course, my maybes turn into ams, so...
> >
> > Ryan
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[RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?

[JoelMatthews]

> Maybe the new Sturmey Archer kickback hub with coaster brake for the
> rear, Repack Revisited.

We are of a like mind.  I need another bike like I need another hole
in my head.  Nevertheless, the thought of a Riv frame with a kick back
coaster brake hub - maybe Bull Moose bars up front - perhaps the new
Paul RacerM for a front brake? - really sets the mind a reeling.

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> rear, Repack Revisited.
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Re: [RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

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On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 18:11 -0600, rswat...@me.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:41, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 07:26 -0700, MichaelH wrote:
> >> To answer two questions at once.  Indexed shifting a triple is more
> >> trouble than its worth.   It will need more adjustments and offer  
> >> less
> >> trim finesse.  So, skip the indexing and the ramped rings.
> >
> > I certainly agree with skipping the indexing for front shifting, but  
> > if
> > you have ramped and pinned chain rings, they don't hurt in any way.
> 
> They might. I once got a pinned large ring by mistake and whenever I  
> was in the small ring, the pins on the big ring would snag the chain,  
> making lots of irritating noises. I foolishly tried to drill the pins  
> out, but just ended up destroying the ring.

I have quite a few bikes with bar end shifting and ramped and pinned
chain rings, and in my experience, they shift better than unramped,
unpinned chain rings.  And I've never experienced pins snagging chains
or making annoying noises.

As always, YMMV...



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Re: [RBW] Wind!

[PATRICK MOORE]

Search Axiom Dutch Pannier and Alfred E Bike; they were there a couple of
weeks ago; and they are elsewhere on the web, too. Will post photos of SH
when I can. PAM

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:47 PM, James Dinneen  wrote:

> Cannot find the web page for A&E. Pictures would be good. Jim  D.
> Massachusetts
>
> --- On *Wed, 4/21/10, PATRICK MOORE * wrote:
>
>
> From: PATRICK MOORE 
> Subject: [RBW] Wind!
> To: "rbw-owners-bunch" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:35 PM
>
> A Sam Hill with big, boxy Axiom Panniers and a big, boxy Ostrich bag is a
> barn door in our spring winds. I just rode 8 miles in the hooks straight
> south into a southerly "28 g 35". This builds patience and strength of
> character.
>
> The Axioms -- half price at AE Bike, $44 -- are big, drape-over Dutch-style
> shopping panniers, just one big empty space on each side with no annoying
> side pockets, zippers, compartments or cinches: just good old fashioned
> emptiness, big enough with room to spare for a full paper grocery sack,
> each; and a fitted flap with two, simple fastek buckles. I'll take photos
> when I get the attachments for my new Canon.
>
> Probably not up to touring, but better than my Ortleib Packers for
> shopping.
>
> Oh, and big bar bags act like wind rudders in gusty sidewinds; keep a firm
> grip on your bar!
>
> --
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> Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] 'nother free-bee: SPuD Sandals

[cyclotourist]

Sheldon's favorites:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4388483206/

Pretty well gone, but still have some life in 'em.  Size 43/44.  I wear 10
1/2 US and they're just a touch small for me.

$5 should cover shipping in the CONUS

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Re: [RBW] 'nother free-bee: SPuD Sandals

[PATRICK MOORE]

Oh, Me!

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:58 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Sheldon's favorites:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4388483206/
>
> Pretty well gone, but still have some life in 'em.  Size 43/44.  I wear 10
> 1/2 US and they're just a touch small for me.
>
> $5 should cover shipping in the CONUS
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[RBW] Re: cranks: ramps and pins v. none

[amoll68]

Hap,

Loaded touring bike: you're probably gonna want that triple AND a big
cassette in the rear - unless you don't mind resting or walking (Kent
Petersen's "24 inch gear") when you totally bonk on that big climb.

On my AHH country bike/sport tourer with a light load: I LOVE my TA
46-30, Simplex SLJ up front, 12-27 Ultergra/Dura Ace rear. I live and
ride in the Cascade Foothills, and can think of only one occasion
where I've used the lowest gear. I occasionally use my second lowest
gear, but spend most of my time in the big ring on the rolling hills.
It's by far my favorite gearing setup, and I've tried (and have) a lot
of different setups. However, I don't think this would be ideal for a
long tour with a heavy load.

WRT the 46-30 and the 12-36 rear: it might work okay, might even work
well. I have a feeling the trick may be finding the right front
derailleur, and I'm thinking something from the 70's or 80's with a
wide cage. I first tried a modern FSA compact for my Hilsen setup, and
never could get it dialed in right (rubbing problems, and some
shifting problems.) The old Simplex SLJ doesn't appear to have the
correct radius for the 46T ring, but it works great!

Trial and error can be fun - especially when you create that winning
combo, but it can also be frustrating and expensive. Good luck!

Alex

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Re: [RBW] 'nother free-bee: SPuD Sandals

[cyclotourist]

Well, you missed out on those Paramount shoes, so guess it's about time your
number came up... ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:14 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Oh, Me!
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:58 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Sheldon's favorites:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4388483206/
>>
>> Pretty well gone, but still have some life in 'em.  Size 43/44.  I wear 10
>> 1/2 US and they're just a touch small for me.
>>
>> $5 should cover shipping in the CONUS
>>
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>> Redlands, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wind!

[SJB]

Look here

http://aebike.com/product/axiom-dutch-shopper-pannier-set-black-sku-bg6680-qc30.htm

or here

http://www.axiomgear.com/products/gear/bags/shoppers/dutch-shopper/



On Apr 21, 5:47 pm, James Dinneen  wrote:
> Cannot find the web page for A&E. Pictures would be good. Jim  D.    
> Massachusetts
>
> --- On Wed, 4/21/10, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
> From: PATRICK MOORE 
> Subject: [RBW] Wind!
> To: "rbw-owners-bunch" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:35 PM
>
> A Sam Hill with big, boxy Axiom Panniers and a big, boxy Ostrich bag is a 
> barn door in our spring winds. I just rode 8 miles in the hooks straight 
> south into a southerly "28 g 35". This builds patience and strength of 
> character.
>
> The Axioms -- half price at AE Bike, $44 -- are big, drape-over Dutch-style 
> shopping panniers, just one big empty space on each side with no annoying 
> side pockets, zippers, compartments or cinches: just good old fashioned 
> emptiness, big enough with room to spare for a full paper grocery sack, each; 
> and a fitted flap with two, simple fastek buckles. I'll take photos when I 
> get the attachments for my new Canon.
>
> Probably not up to touring, but better than my Ortleib Packers for shopping.
> Oh, and big bar bags act like wind rudders in gusty sidewinds; keep a firm 
> grip on your bar!
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> For professional resumes, contact
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[RBW] Re: 'nother free-bee: SPuD Sandals

[Michael_S]

damn... I'm late to the party again!  If you find some size 11.5 let
me know  :-}

~Mike~

On Apr 21, 8:27 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Well, you missed out on those Paramount shoes, so guess it's about time your
> number came up... ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:14 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > Oh, Me!
>
> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:58 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> >> Sheldon's favorites:
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4388483206/
>
> >> Pretty well gone, but still have some life in 'em.  Size 43/44.  I wear 10
> >> 1/2 US and they're just a touch small for me.
>
> >> $5 should cover shipping in the CONUS
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wind!

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM, SJB  wrote:

>
>
> http://www.axiomgear.com/products/gear/bags/shoppers/dutch-shopper/
>
>
> It looks like they now have some sort of click-on mount, "Posi-Lock"; mine
are the originals with annoying (if you wish to remove and re-install them
often) straps and buckles. But mine are meant to stay on full time, except
when touring.

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