Wow.  There is alot of great info here.  So the Hillborne is much
tougher than I originally though.

As far as the double top tube on the Hunqapillar...I typically ride a
53 frame which means I would need the 48 Hunqapillar (if that's what I
go with) which would not have the double top tube anyway.

Tough call..the Hunqa looks GREAT built up that way on the site but an
orange hillborne with big wheels and Bullmoose bars would probably
look equally great.

On Apr 21, 8:28 am, happyriding <happyrid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 21, 5:14 am, Johnny Alien <johnnyal...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm...it seems like it is not a crazy idea at all then.  I now have
> > options!  Does anyone know if the Hunqapillar colors on the site are
> > the final colors?
>
> The last I read, they were thinking of offering two options: red panel/
> headtube and orange panel/headtube.
>
> As for the strength of the Sam Hillborne, here is what Rivendell
> Reader #41 (which is free to download) said when introducing the Sam
> Hillborne:
>
> -------
> The Sam may be even more versatile than the AHH, because the
> tubing is slightly thicker (same gauge as the Atlantis), so it more
> suited
> to loaded touring. With AHH clearance, Atlantis tubing gauges, and a
> fork that splits the diff, you can think of it as halfway between the
> Atlantis and A. Homer Hilsen.
> ------
>
> I'm not sure what that fork comment is referring to (clearance?
> tubing?).
>
> I've read that the Atlantis tubing is butted .9/.6/.9.  And the same
> Riv Reader that introduces the Hillborne has an article about the
> Bombadil.  The article on the Bombadil says the tubing is .1 thicker
> than the Atlantis, so that would make the tubes on the Bombadil 1.0
> millimeter thick.  The article also says the Bomadil's down tube and
> double top tubes are straight gauge (no butting).   The Hunqapillar is
> described as having Bombadil stout tubing in the main tubes, which
> presumably means the top and down tubes (and that might also be the
> case for the down tube as well).
>
> In any case, the Hunqapillar has 1.0 mm tubing, and the Sam Hillborne
> and Atlantis have .9 mm tubing.   The Atlantis is recommended for
> fully loaded touring.  Therefore, it seems like the Sam Hillborne is a
> pretty stout bike.
>
> Also, are you aware that the double top tube design of the Hunqapillar
> has morphed into something different than depicted on the website?
> The second top tube is most likely going to angle down and join the
> seat tube in the middle of the seat tube.
>
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