Re: Command o Not working Inside Dropbox

[Brian Fischler]

Actually on certain Macs running El Cap there is a bug where VO O will not open 
folders as I have it and spent hours on the phone with Apple Accessibility 
reporting it. To work around this do a command down arrow to open a folder and 
command up arrow to close the folder.
> On Aug 5, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> I had a sighted person using my computer yesterday, so I guess he changed 
> that.
> 
> Thanks for the quick reply!
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> You probably havelayout set for column view. 
>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 8:53 AM Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> All of a sudden today, when I go into my Dropbox, I cannot use Command + o 
>> to open a folder.  If I do a [VO] + [Shift] + m and choose open in a new 
>> tab, it works.  This is only happening inside my Dropbox folder.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: Command o Not working Inside Dropbox

[Brian Fischler]

Hey that is awful that people were telling you to shut up about it as this is 
an issue that only affects specific Macs not all. It started with El Cap for me 
but not others and has been confirmed with Apple Accessibility as a bug that 
has been kicked up to the developers. Hopefully it will be fixed for us who 
have the issue in Sierra.
> On Aug 5, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Well, this is disturbing.  You know, some people were complaining about this 
> on a podcast:  and, when I told them I had no problems with Command+o running 
> Lcapitan, I was told to shut up and that I did not know what I was talking 
> about.  In any case, I have no problem with Command+o opening files or 
> folders:  but, I hear aknowledge that there are some who do have this 
> problem.  What I’d love to know is this.  What Macs have this problem?  Just 
> in case I decide to go in the market for a newer (if not brand new) Mac?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Brian Fischler > <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually on certain Macs running El Cap there is a bug where VO O will not 
>> open folders as I have it and spent hours on the phone with Apple 
>> Accessibility reporting it. To work around this do a command down arrow to 
>> open a folder and command up arrow to close the folder.
>>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Jeff Berwick >> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a sighted person using my computer yesterday, so I guess he changed 
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the quick reply!
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Jonathan Cohn >>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You probably havelayout set for column view. 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 8:53 AM Jeff Berwick >>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> All of a sudden today, when I go into my Dropbox, I cannot use Command + o 
>>>> to open a folder.  If I do a [VO] + [Shift] + m and choose open in a new 
>>>> tab, it works.  This is only happening inside my Dropbox folder.
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> Tia,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
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Best Way to Navigate This Group With Voiceover

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all, I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I am finding 
it almost impossible to navigate Google Groups with Voiceover, and would 
love to hear what people find is the best way? I have signed up to receive 
emails in the forums but still find that very hard to get through 
everything and lose focus a lot. When attempting to navigate the threads on 
the website there is nothing listed under headings and auto webspots pulls 
up very little. In the email forum recap the rotor only offers me 
characters, words, and navigation. Am I missing something here? Also how do 
you respond to a post in the forum as none of the links seem to be 
clickable through the daily email. Thanks, and I assume this topic has been 
brought up before so if someone can just point me in the right direction to 
a topic that has discussed this I would really appreciate it. Thanks

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Using Web Spots in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I have noticed since installing Mountain Lion all of my webspots are reversed 
meaning to jump down the page I am having to click VO shift left bracket to go 
right on the page and VO Shift right bracket to now go up the page. This is 
quite annoying as I have grown quite accustomed to the way everything was 
setup. Does anyone know if this is a setting that can be changed. I recall when 
Lion was introduced that I had to change the scrolling of the mouse as it was 
reversed to scroll down a page from what we were traditionally used to.

also what is the best way to navigate this group as it takes me forever to get 
through the email digest, and to go to the web page still seems pretty 
inaccessible as sometimes I can find the content using auto web spots in the 
rotor and other times there is nothing there. Thanks

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Re: Numbers

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I have been using numbers for awhile and just started using this
group. Does anyone else have a problem with numbers completely stop
allowing you to input text in to any cells? The document isn't locked,
and from time to time I will be working on a document and it just
stops allowing me to enter text and I have to quit numbers and restart
than it works fine, but it does happen enough to be annoying.

Also, if anyone is using numbers on the Iphone, why does it not allow
you to scroll by using rows? I would think numbers would be one of the
most important apps to make use of the scrolling by rows. When I want
to read down a row on the Iphone I have to use Vertical navigation and
most of the time this skips a row. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks

On Jul 27, 1:44 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Harry,
>
> Try using VO-cmd-t to go to the Sheets Table.  this command takes you between 
> tables within the given document.
>
> I also haven't yet been able to have VO read the contents of a cell with a 
> pop-up within.  It allows me to select but does not read what has been 
> selected when navigating through at a later time.
>
> I'll play some more to see if I can get anywhere.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On 2012-07-27, at 10:55 AM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Anne,
>
> > I've been going to the layout area and interacting with it, where I can see 
> > the tables I've added there.  When that didn't seem to work, however, I 
> > went to the item chooser, to the sheets table, interacted, and brought the 
> > mouse over so I could move about.  That worked.  Is there a quicker way to 
> > get to the sheets table, however?
>
> > With regards to the menus, it's strange.  I'm able to put items in the 
> > menus, but it never tells me which is selected; it only says "menu cell," 
> > or something like that.  That was back in Lion when I tried it, so I didn't 
> > know if anyone knew if accessibility had improved or not.
>
> > And it really does seem when things aren't working with Voiceover that the 
> > solution is more often than not to move the mouse to a particular spot and 
> > manipulate it that way.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Harry
>
> > On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:5tson  wrote:
>
> >> Hello Harry,
>
> >> To edit the contents of a cell, press the space bar. In the case of menus, 
> >> this will bring up the menu.
>
> >> To rename the table, go to the Sheets table, interact with it and navigate 
> >> to the one you want to rename. Bring the mouse and double click using the 
> >> trackpad, then type the new name and press Return.
>
> >> Cheers,
>
> >> Anne
>
> >> On 27 Jul 2012, at 03:06, Harry Hogue wrote:
>
> >>> Is anyone familiar with Numbers and using the menus, checkboxes, etc. 
> >>> features?  I would like to create an attendance tracker to practice 
> >>> skills in Numbers, but I just now looked at the template for an employee 
> >>> schedule, and the menu options that are placed into the cells are all 
> >>> dimmed, and although it gives times inside of those menus (times the 
> >>> employee signed in/out, for example), VoiceOver does not read this 
> >>> information.  Should I be going about this type of thing another way?  I 
> >>> want to be able to create professional presentations using Numbers that 
> >>> will give me the information I need about my budget, or my upcoming 
> >>> internship schedule, and that kind of thing, but I want to have it be in 
> >>> a way that is accessible when using VoiceOver, obviously.  Right now I'm 
> >>> trying to create the attendance tracker with information modeled off the 
> >>> office.com website using Excel 2003.  I want to learn how to do these 
> >>> various things because Numbers/Excel has always been a weak area of mine. 
> >>>  How, for example, do you rename a table?
>
> >>> I would appreciate any thoughts from a confident Numbers user.
>
> >>> Best regards,
>
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Re: Numbers

[Brian Fischler]

Hey eugene,

Thanks for the info, but I think we may be talking about different
issues, as I do not get the busy message. I just can't enter text in
to a cell, and it usually happens when I have been working with a
numbers document for a little while. I have tried tabbing around
interacting with the cell hitting enter, but nothing seems to work,
just have to quit the file and reopen numbers.

On Jul 27, 10:57 am, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Harry,
>
> To edit the contents of a cell, press the space bar. In the case of menus, 
> this will bring up the menu.
>
> To rename the table, go to the Sheets table, interact with it and navigate to 
> the one you want to rename. Bring the mouse and double click using the 
> trackpad, then type the new name and press Return.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
> On 27 Jul 2012, at 03:06, Harry Hogue wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Is anyone familiar with Numbers and using the menus, checkboxes, etc. 
> > features?  I would like to create an attendance tracker to practice skills 
> > in Numbers, but I just now looked at the template for an employee schedule, 
> > and the menu options that are placed into the cells are all dimmed, and 
> > although it gives times inside of those menus (times the employee signed 
> > in/out, for example), VoiceOver does not read this information.  Should I 
> > be going about this type of thing another way?  I want to be able to create 
> > professional presentations using Numbers that will give me the information 
> > I need about my budget, or my upcoming internship schedule, and that kind 
> > of thing, but I want to have it be in a way that is accessible when using 
> > VoiceOver, obviously.  Right now I'm trying to create the attendance 
> > tracker with information modeled off the office.com website using Excel 
> > 2003.  I want to learn how to do these various things because Numbers/Excel 
> > has always been a weak area of mine.  How, for example, do you rename a 
> > table?
>
> > I would appreciate any thoughts from a confident Numbers user.
>
> > Best regards,
>
> > Harry
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Web Spots in ML

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Having installed mountain lion and been playing around with it for a
day, one of the biggest pains with it, is I use a lot of web spots for
browsing sites that I go to a lot on the web. My webspots that I have
created over time are all still there, but in Mountain Lion the way
that I navigate through them are reversed, meaning instead of clicking
VO Command right bracket to go to the next web spot on the page, that
command now takes me to the previous Web spot, and clicking the left
bracket now moves me forward. . I know in Lion when you installed it
their was a way to reverse the scrolling function on the mouse, and I
am assuming that I need to change some setting as I keep hitting the
wrong button when scrolling through a page as I have become so used to
where everything has always been set. Not sure why in the world
clicking the left bracket now takes you further down the page, and
clicking the right bracket takes you up the page, it seems idiotic to
program the buttons that way. Anyone else have this issue and figure
out how to correct it? Many thanks

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Re: More on Activating Items with Left VO Space

[Brian Fischler]

This is one of my biggest problems with Mountain Lion, as I would
consider myself a power mac user meaning I do things very quickly, and
I had not problem clicking VO space bar in Lion and selecting items,
now half the time when I VO space bar on something in Mountain Lion it
doesn't select it. I guess I will have to get in the habit of not
hitting all three keys at the same time which is a very vvery poor
design flaw in my opinion

On Jul 29, 1:43 am, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> Well, just to be certain I went into Safari and clicked on a link with the 
> Left VO-Space combo that isn't working generally in Menu Extras.  Activating 
> links with this key press works as it should.  So I'm wondering if anyone 
> else is having difficulty in activating a menu extra with the Left VO-space 
> command?  Thanks.
>
> Les

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Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
iss about.

It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.

I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
the significant upgrade is.

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Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
iss about.

It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.

I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
the significant upgrade is.

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Doesn't Anyone else use Web Spots in Safari?

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I posted once about this but got no response, so wanted to try again.
I make use of setting webspots and sweet spots on the pages I go to a
lot, as I find this makes navigating a page much faster. Anyway, all
of my webspots have been reversed in mountain lion. what I mean is to
scroll down from the top to the bottom of the page in previous
versions I would hit VO Command right bracket to go to the next web
spot to the right, and VO command left bracket to go to the next web
spot to the left. Simple. In Mountain it is completely reverse which
is one of the most annoying thing as when I click VO command righ
bracket it takes me to the next web spot to the left and VO command
left bracket to the next web spot to the right. This makes no sense
what so ever, and I am wondering if it is a setting that I have set
incorrectly for navigating a page. I tried turning scrolling from
normal to not clicking normal and this did nothing. This setting was
under the Track pad. I don't even have a mouse connected, so maybe the
setting is in that menu, as I can't even access the mouse menu since
my system doesn't detect a mouse. Has anyone else experienced this? I
am so used to where all of my web spots are set this is so
frustrating. I even tried removing my web spots on a page and
resetting them, but this didn't change the directions. It would make
sense you click right and you go right you click left and you go left,
but not in Mountain Lion. Would appreciate any help. Thanks

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Re: safari clicking?

[Brian Fischler]

I had a cookie issue with Yahoo on there Fantasy Baseball page. I keep
myself logged in as I only use Yahoo for Fantasy sports, out of the
blue, I got an error message that said your cookie for this site has
expired, and it completely froze safari. The only way for me to get do
anything in safari was to force quit it. I tried it again and the same
thing happened, and I had to force quit again. Not sure what the
problem is a safari just went in to a constant busy busy loop

On Jul 29, 8:12 pm, Maria Chapman  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I am using the latest version of web kit under mountain lion.  Sometimes when 
> i'm browsing a page, I hear a clicking sound like the progress sound.  the 
> only way to stop the clicking is to press tab.  has anyone experienced this?
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Ok so I just started reading the responses and let me just say why is
this thread pointless? It is called having an opinion, so if this
thread is pointless than all of the threads talking about how amazing
Mountain Lion is and such are all pointless to. I didn't scream and
say I hated the mac, I expressed my frustration with the upgrade and
the problems that I have had and gave an opinion that doesn't go along
with the majority of posters. I don't go to all of those posts and
write how pointless their posts are and attack them? I read them and
respect their opinions, and have found some of them very useful.

Additionally, I have contacted accessibility at Apple with the issues
I have had, and did express my gratitude for them to continuing
working on accessibility and looking to improve it. Now I will get
back to reading through the rest of the comments, but had to chime in
on the first few.

On Jul 30, 10:23 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
> iss about.
>
> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>
> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
> the significant upgrade is.

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Re: speakable objects… very cool!

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I just started trying out this feature having Siri on the Iphone and
liking it. I to reassigned my keys and am now trying to use just the
voice saying computer, but find both ways hit and miss with working.
Also I seem to be able to get to the tabe with the menu of what to
say, but when I stop interacting with the table and can only go to the
left the only phrase over there is What time is it? Even when I am on
the address tab and have expanded it to see the list of commands.
Funny thing the one command I have yet to get to work is show me what
to say any advice?

On Jul 30, 7:00 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now it is 
> working. Here's what I discovered so far:
> "switch to [app name]" will switch you to an app, provided that app is 
> already running.
> "open [app name]" will open an app not already open, including third-party 
> apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with.
> "what time is it" will speak the current time.
> "what's today's date" will speak the date
> "quit this application" will close the currently focused app; "hide this 
> application" does the same but minimizes it
> There are more commands which you can get to by saying "show me what to say". 
> Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. VO-right to 
> the "collapsed" item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop interacting and 
> move right until you get to the commands list. If nothing else, I love the 
> time and app focusing commands. Also, in the preferences dialog for speakable 
> items, you can enable front window, which lets you speak the name of a 
> control in the currently focused window to be activated or switched to, I'm 
> not sure how that works yet.
>
> Have a great day,
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Re: Fwd: vo keys not responding consistently

[Brian Fischler]

Here is the response that I got from Apple Accessibility as I reported
the same issue. The first paragraph is what I wrote than the response,
I will email them back tonight. I am using the standard bluetooth
keyboard that comes with the iMac.


"I have noticed a problem when clicking VO space bar to select items
and click on links throughout the entire system. Sometimes if you hit
VO space at the same time which I have always done it does click on
what you are attempting to click on, you have to hit control option
and then the space bar not all at the same time. Would be greatly
appreciative if this is something that can be fixed in the next
update."

I was unable to reproduce the reported issue in extended testing with
multiple applications on Mountain Lion.  The difficulty you are
experiencing could be related to your input device. Have you been
encountered the issue with multiple keyboards and systems?

On Jul 31, 1:03 am, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Wrote to apple about inconsistent response of vo and space in ml and they 
> asked me to give instances of occurrence. Here is what I sent, but please 
> feel free to expand for them or for me so that I might give feedback as 
> clearly as possible.
> Here's part of the exchange.
> Best,
> Ioana
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: Ioana Gandrabur 
> > Date: July 31, 2012 12:47:36 AM EDT
> > To: "accessibil...@apple.com" 
> > Subject: Re: vo keys not responding consistently
>
> > Hi,
>
> > Thanks for the quick response!
> > Inn dialogue boxes or menus, basically wherever you need vo and space. It 
> > mostly works on second try, like I said, it appears to me and others to be 
> > a matter of keeping the keys pressed long enough or the timing of their 
> > pressing, hard to say and therefor hard to reproduce. I would have said it 
> > is my hardware but, since I hear this from other users, have to assume it 
> > is ml related.
>
> > Hope this helps somewhat.
>
> > Best,
>
> > Ioana
>
> > Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
> > stores.
> > Sent from my phone
>
> > On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:09 PM, accessibil...@apple.com wrote:
>
> >> Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request.
>
> >> Follow-up:  219742358
>
> >> Hello,
>
> >> Thank you for your email. Would you be able to provide us with some 
> >> examples of applications or web sites that you have encountered this issue 
> >> on?
>
> >> Apple Accessibility

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Re: Doesn't Anyone else use Web Spots in Safari?

[Brian Fischler]

Hey guys, just wanted to give you an update as I did report this
misnavigation or reverse navigation to Apple, and they didn't know
about it and will be working on it. I to do not make enough use of my
trackpad just so comfortable with the keyboard for everything.

On Aug 1, 11:30 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I posted once about this but got no response, so wanted to try again.
> I make use of setting webspots and sweet spots on the pages I go to a
> lot, as I find this makes navigating a page much faster. Anyway, all
> of my webspots have been reversed in mountain lion. what I mean is to
> scroll down from the top to the bottom of the page in previous
> versions I would hit VO Command right bracket to go to the next web
> spot to the right, and VO command left bracket to go to the next web
> spot to the left. Simple. In Mountain it is completely reverse which
> is one of the most annoying thing as when I click VO command righ
> bracket it takes me to the next web spot to the left and VO command
> left bracket to the next web spot to the right. This makes no sense
> what so ever, and I am wondering if it is a setting that I have set
> incorrectly for navigating a page. I tried turning scrolling from
> normal to not clicking normal and this did nothing. This setting was
> under the Track pad. I don't even have a mouse connected, so maybe the
> setting is in that menu, as I can't even access the mouse menu since
> my system doesn't detect a mouse. Has anyone else experienced this? I
> am so used to where all of my web spots are set this is so
> frustrating. I even tried removing my web spots on a page and
> resetting them, but this didn't change the directions. It would make
> sense you click right and you go right you click left and you go left,
> but not in Mountain Lion. Would appreciate any help. Thanks

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Problem with Safari and Interacting with Pages in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

This is something that just started happening over the weekend, it has
happened to me before and it is quite frustrating as when I am using
safari any time I open a new tab I must first hit VO shift down to
start interacting with tab instead of automatically being taken in to
the new tab. Not sure why this is happening as it was working properly
when I first installed Mountain Lion. Additionally, anytime I click on
an in page link to go to another page on a web site again it takes me
to the toolbar where I first have to VO shift down arrow to interact
with the conent. It really is pointless and slows everything down to
first have to interact with a page instead of automatically being
taken in to the content. Not sure why this happens as it was working
fine until it changed on Friday, I have checked all of my VO and
browser settings and everything is checked to automatically interact
with the new tab. Is anyone else having this problem, and did it just
occur suddenly? I am sure thia has to be a glitch, and it is very
annoying

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Problem with Safari and Interacting with Pages in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

This is something that just started happening over the weekend, it has
happened to me before and it is quite frustrating as when I am using
safari any time I open a new tab I must first hit VO shift down to
start interacting with tab instead of automatically being taken in to
the new tab. Not sure why this is happening as it was working properly
when I first installed Mountain Lion. Additionally, anytime I click on
an in page link to go to another page on a web site again it takes me
to the toolbar where I first have to VO shift down arrow to interact
with the conent. It really is pointless and slows everything down to
first have to interact with a page instead of automatically being
taken in to the content. Not sure why this happens as it was working
fine until it changed on Friday, I have checked all of my VO and
browser settings and everything is checked to automatically interact
with the new tab. Is anyone else having this problem, and did it just
occur suddenly? I am sure thia has to be a glitch, and it is very
annoying

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Re: web spots and hotspots?

[Brian Fischler]

I find webspots to be extremely valuable for pages that you go to a
lot. I have set up numerous webspots to jump to certain areas of text
and links within pages. You can also set a sweet spot that is supposed
to enter you in to that page at the point that you set the sweet spot.
Of course sweet spots don't always work. And for some reason pages
that are not the best designed like Espn.com always are forgetting my
webspots. I think pages that change there layout quite often forget
your webspots but they are very easy to set and remove I think it is
VO Command right bracket to set a webspot and VO command shift right
bracket to remove one. Clicking VO command right brackt twice in a row
will set the sweet spot. Now the problem with Mountain Lion and I have
already pointed this out to Apple and they are working on it if you
have a lot of web spots set up on a page they reversed the way you
navigate through them which makes no sense as clicking VO command
right bracket takes you to the next web spot to the left and clicking
VO command left bracket takes you to the next web spot to the right.
Not sure how they couldn't have realized this when betaing ML, as I
consider web spots one of the most valuable tools to get work done
quickly in safari.

On Aug 2, 9:16 am, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Hi all,
> Can someone explain webspots and hotspots? What's the difference, when would 
> one use either or both, and why use them at all? I looked at the online help 
> manual but couldn't find anything about them in the web navigation item. Oh, 
> I almost forgot: what is an auto webspot? Thanks.
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: web spots and hotspots?

[Brian Fischler]

One more thing as far as auto web spots I use them to navigate this
group as most of the time scrolling through them will take me to the
topic in this list as there do not seem to be any headers to navigate
to in Google groups. What is everyone else using to navigate this
group would love to hear if there is a better way. I tried getting the
email digests but it was taking me forever to read through it and
couldn't figure out how to reply. So yes, auto web spots are helpful
especially when a page is poorly designed and you can't pull up any
headers for the page I almost always then go to auto web spots

On Aug 2, 9:16 am, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Hi all,
> Can someone explain webspots and hotspots? What's the difference, when would 
> one use either or both, and why use them at all? I looked at the online help 
> manual but couldn't find anything about them in the web navigation item. Oh, 
> I almost forgot: what is an auto webspot? Thanks.
>
> Have a great day,
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Re: working with messages app in 10.8

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Alex, I to found it difficult to use at first, not sure if this
could solve your problem, as I have multiple accounts example gmail,
cell phone, Apple ID, and wasn't sure what account was associated with
messages, I went in to the settings menu and clicked to login with my
Apple ID and logged out of gmail, and it seemed to work a little. I
was able to send a test message, but I did notice that the message I
sent from my computer never appeared on my cell phone as messages, so
I was able to send a message, but it doesn't seem to sync across all
of my Apple devices, I am sure it is a setting I have to play around
with

On Aug 3, 5:24 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I can't figure out messages at all. I tried sending a few messages to an 
> address that my iPod can send to with no problem, but the mac says "failed to 
> deliver' each time. I just noticed I had a new message, so tried to find out 
> what it was. I found the conversations table, selected the "new message" row, 
> and went to the html content, but it was empty. Not only amd I unsure of how 
> to use this app successfully, but I'd also like to know if there's a better 
> way to move through it, perhaps hotkeys to compose or jump to the 
> conversations table or current chat history? Thanks for any information 
> anyone has on this app.
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Doesn't Anyone else use Web Spots in Safari?

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Art, No you are not losing it. HA This reverse web spot and
scrolling completely shocked me, glad I am not the only one, and the
Apple realizes it is an issue. I assume it should be something easy to
fix in the next patch as I can't get use to hit right to go left.

On Aug 5, 11:21 pm, arthur gindin  wrote:
> Brian, I monitor macvisionaries for my blind almost-12 year old
> grandchild.  Unfortunately she is more interested in anime than
> practicing typing.
>
> I noticed with ML that the scroll wheel on my trackball was going in the
> "wrong" direction.  At my ancient age i assumed i had just forgotten how
> it worked before.  Thanks for letting me know my memory hasn't gone
> completely.
>
> art
>
> On 8/5/12 11:10 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey guys, just wanted to give you an update as I did report this
> > misnavigation or reverse navigation to Apple, and they didn't know
> > about it and will be working on it. I to do not make enough use of my
> > trackpad just so comfortable with the keyboard for everything.
>
> > On Aug 1, 11:30 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> >> Hey all,
>
> >> I posted once about this but got no response, so wanted to try again.
> >> I make use of setting webspots and sweet spots on the pages I go to a
> >> lot, as I find this makes navigating a page much faster. Anyway, all
> >> of my webspots have been reversed in mountain lion. what I mean is to
> >> scroll down from the top to the bottom of the page in previous
> >> versions I would hit VO Command right bracket to go to the next web
> >> spot to the right, and VO command left bracket to go to the next web
> >> spot to the left. Simple. In Mountain it is completely reverse which
> >> is one of the most annoying thing as when I click VO command righ
> >> bracket it takes me to the next web spot to the left and VO command
> >> left bracket to the next web spot to the right. This makes no sense
> >> what so ever, and I am wondering if it is a setting that I have set
> >> incorrectly for navigating a page. I tried turning scrolling from
> >> normal to not clicking normal and this did nothing. This setting was
> >> under the Track pad. I don't even have a mouse connected, so maybe the
> >> setting is in that menu, as I can't even access the mouse menu since
> >> my system doesn't detect a mouse. Has anyone else experienced this? I
> >> am so used to where all of my web spots are set this is so
> >> frustrating. I even tried removing my web spots on a page and
> >> resetting them, but this didn't change the directions. It would make
> >> sense you click right and you go right you click left and you go left,
> >> but not in Mountain Lion. Would appreciate any help. Thanks

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Re: Problem with Safari and Interacting with Pages in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Hey ann and Tim,

All of my settings were properly set, I have reported the issue to
Apple, and they have responded as they were able to recreate the issue
so I guess it will go on to the list of things theu will hopefully be
fixing. I was not able to fix the problem by restarting, but I did
toggle Voiceover off and then on with Command F5 and now everything is
working fine. Just wanted to post this in case someone else has the
issue and hopefully if this happens again toggling off and on will
fix. amazing how much nicer it is to browse without first having to
interact with the page.

On Aug 6, 10:52 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> This is something that just started happening over the weekend, it has
> happened to me before and it is quite frustrating as when I am using
> safari any time I open a new tab I must first hit VO shift down to
> start interacting with tab instead of automatically being taken in to
> the new tab. Not sure why this is happening as it was working properly
> when I first installed Mountain Lion. Additionally, anytime I click on
> an in page link to go to another page on a web site again it takes me
> to the toolbar where I first have to VO shift down arrow to interact
> with the conent. It really is pointless and slows everything down to
> first have to interact with a page instead of automatically being
> taken in to the content. Not sure why this happens as it was working
> fine until it changed on Friday, I have checked all of my VO and
> browser settings and everything is checked to automatically interact
> with the new tab. Is anyone else having this problem, and did it just
> occur suddenly? I am sure thia has to be a glitch, and it is very
> annoying

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Problems with Extras Menu New Apps

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Been trying to add some new apps to my mac, and I have noticed that
anything I try and add that puts itself in the Menu Extras doesn't
seem to work with VO. It could be that these apps do not work with
Voiceover, or it could be that the Menus Extras just dones't work very
well with VO. My dropbox works fine, but I tried to install Menu Pages
for Facebook, got it successfully downloaded from the App store as it
is in my app folder, but when I go to launch it, it just appears in
the menu extras, and will tell me that Menu Pages for Facebook has no
windows. I have tried installing other apps that send themselves to
the Menus Extras all free Facebook related apps and anything that goes
in to the menu extras just doesn't seem to work. Has anyone put
anything successfully in to the menu extras outside of dropbox? Thanks

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Re: Problems with Extras Menu New Apps

[Brian Fischler]

That is correct, no menu comes up or pops down. I even had trouble
getting Trillion to work. What have you installed on your menu extras
bar that works

On Aug 9, 7:20 pm, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> When you say that the menu extras don't work, do you mean that no menu comes 
> up when you press VO-Space on a particular item? I've added a couple of 
> things besides Dropbox to mine, and they all work perfectly.
>
> Regards,
>
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>
> On 10 Aug 2012, at 1:17 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > Been trying to add some new apps to my mac, and I have noticed that
> > anything I try and add that puts itself in the Menu Extras doesn't
> > seem to work with VO. It could be that these apps do not work with
> > Voiceover, or it could be that the Menus Extras just dones't work very
> > well with VO. My dropbox works fine, but I tried to install Menu Pages
> > for Facebook, got it successfully downloaded from the App store as it
> > is in my app folder, but when I go to launch it, it just appears in
> > the menu extras, and will tell me that Menu Pages for Facebook has no
> > windows. I have tried installing other apps that send themselves to
> > the Menus Extras all free Facebook related apps and anything that goes
> > in to the menu extras just doesn't seem to work. Has anyone put
> > anything successfully in to the menu extras outside of dropbox? Thanks
>
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Re: Safari questions with ML

[Brian Fischler]

In a web page command option F takes you directly to google search
from what I can tell in ML Command L and this previous command serve
the same exact function

On Aug 8, 12:20 am, Veronica Elsea 
wrote:
> Oh how nice. I didn't realize that one could also search with command-L.
> So when would one use Command-F? And where would this command look for
> things? Thanks so much.
>
> Veronica
>
> Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier 
> athttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
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> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
> On 8/7/2012 9:15 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Veronica,
>
> > For the keystroke to quickly go to the address bar where you can either 
> > google search, or type in a URL is command+l.
> > I'll wait, (along with you), for someone to explain tables, since i'm still 
> > new to this as well.
> > Rachel
> > On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Veronica Elsea  
> > wrote:
>
> >> Hi everyone!
> >> First, I thought I'd respond to the discussion on tables. The one I 
> >> encounter is on my bank's web site. I can find the table and 
> >> VO-right-arrow through each item. When I'm on the first column of a row, 
> >> the VO-R command also reads the whole row to me. I can't figure out how to 
> >> bop straight down a column though. But at least the information is all 
> >> there.
> >> And I so appreciate those of you who reported the apparent bug here. I was 
> >> beginning to think I was losing my mind. I just can't seem to quite figure 
> >> out where I land and when I need to interact and when I don't. I don't 
> >> remember having this issue in Lion but granted, I only used it a little 
> >> bit because I was waiting for Mountain Lion before really getting going on 
> >> this Macbook.
> >> The other thing I've apparently lost track of is how to quickly do a 
> >> google search. I have figured out that if I open Safari and just stay on 
> >> the tool bar, I can type a url or a search term. I then VO-right-arrow to 
> >> the html content area where I interact. But it sure seemed to me that 
> >> there was a keystroke or something that went easily into that google 
> >> search. But I just can't find it anywhere.
> >> But boy I'd sure love a good tutorial and demo of really using Safari in 
> >> ML. I did create an activity which turns on Quick Nav when I go into 
> >> Safari, and I was afraid that this was what was messing up my browsing 
> >> experience.
> >> So I will await further news and see how far I get in the meantime. But 
> >> thanks so much to all of you who are so on top of all of this stuff. I 
> >> look forward to doing my part to pay forward. In the meantime, I'm open to 
> >> all Safari suggestions. Thanks.
>
> >> Veronica
>
> >> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
> >> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at
> >>http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> >> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> >> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> >> Santa Cruz, California
> >> Phone: 831-429-6407
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Problems with Numbers in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Ah the fun of being blind and dealing with change. My day was hijacked
by problems using numbers which I use for work and then by coming to
Google Groups and it taking me an hour to switch back to the old
Google Groups to navigate the group. Has anyone been able to discover
these new keyboard shortcuts in the new Google Groups. Not sure why my
settings just switched to the new groups. If you want some fun try the
new Google groups and try clicking on a link with VO space or just
using return nothing happens. I finally got back to the old google
groups by opening the link in a new window. As I got stuck in a google
hell of them wanting me to tell them why I was going back to the old
google groups. I'm sorry but there is no way in hell these things are
beta tested for accessibility before Google releases them. If they
are, then the people using and doing the beta testing myst be idiots.

Sorry for the rant, but now my day is gone, and I am just getting to
the latest problem on Mountain Lion with numbers. Has anyone been able
to use the find feature in numbers when working with a large spread
sheet? The old command which was insane at least worked. It was Comman
F, followed by Command G, follwed by Command J to interact with the
search results then you could navigate the results with the arrows
find what you were looking for and shift tab to get to the field. Yeah
who the hell thought that one up? Anyway, I can get through all of
this in Mountain Lion but when I get to the final step and shift tab
to jump to the result, all it does is stop interacting with the
numbers document, so has anyone figured out what the new key commands
might be.

additionally, has anyone notice that numbers in mountain lion is
unbelievably choppy? What I mean is if you attempt to use the arrows
to go through a document and down to a cell, it reads every cell twice
and eventually you are completely hijacked and can't work with the
docuemnt. Again I hate to be a downer, but I find it almost impossible
to believe that Apple tried using numbers with Voiceover before
releasing Mountain Lion. Not sure how all os this worked fine in Snow
Lep and Lion, but now is pretty much unsable. If other's are having
better results, please let us know. Thanks

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Re: What's your fave faceBook solution?

[Brian Fischler]

I am an avid Facebooker and as far as the Iphone goes I think the
easiest and best way to navigate ones Timeline is through Flipboard. I
think the gang at Flipboard have made great strides with their
accessibility. I am not sure if my timeline does skip some people's
postings as I am connected with a lot of people on Facebook. I am also
not sure if you can post to your wall directly through Flipboard as I
have never tried to do that, I just the app to read other people's
posts, click likes and comment, all work and you just swipe through
it. It is a free app in the IOS store. I have yet to find a desktop
based Facebook app that I like. I just use the Facebook website to
post my own thoughts. And I have noticed that if you set the sweet
spot to the edit comment field on your page in Mountain Lion is
actually takes you directly to that spot every time you pull the
website up, you just type click over to the right with VO and post.
Good luck

On Aug 9, 4:41 pm, "Christina C."  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am so frustrated.  I am not one of those people who are always on FB but 
> when I do use it I am always so disappointed.  I was hoping voice book for 
> iOS would be the solution.  However, I just discovered that my newsfeed is 
> not accurate.  So, back to the mac and Safari, but the website is so 
> frustrating and slow.  It also won't let me read the whole newsfeed.  It just 
> keeps bouncing me back to the top of my newsfeed after I get a few posts down 
> the page.  :(  :(
>
> Thanks of any help.
> Sent from Christina's iMac :)

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Re: Problems with Extras Menu New Apps

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Chris, thanks so much for the list of apps. I installed Trillion
because I thought I had read that it was accessible. I couldn't find
adium in the app store not sure if I spelled it right here, but I did
when I searched for it, as I looked it up first. Did you download
Adium from the app store or just a site? Funny thing I have never used
Growl, and always heard it coming up in previous versions of the
operating system, but never knew what it was. Is Growl something that
is preinstalled or do you have to install it and then I assume you
have to set it to appear in the menu bar because right now it is not
appearing in mine.

On Aug 9, 8:02 pm, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
wrote:
> Brian, for one thing, have you thought about using Adium, instead of
> Trillian?  might I ask why you're using Trillian instead?
>
> Second of all, I, too have the Facebook app you referred to.  It seems to
> come up fine for me.
>
> Now, what I have hoticed however is some of the apps, such as one I have
> called RSS menu for example, even though set to come up when I log on, still
> tend to not get mounted up in the extras section until I manually open them
> from my dock/apps folder after rebooting.  On that note, it's a bit bizarre.
> I'm not really totally sure why that's happening, but aside that, I've had
> no trouble.
>
> In my extras, i have things like Adium, Skype when it's running, Dropbox,
> RSS Menu, Menu Weather, Boxcar, sometimes the native AIM client, which by
> the way, yes, is totally! Voiceover friendly before anyone asks, not sure
> what else.  I think that's about it.  All of them however seem to work just
> fine over here for what it's worth.  Oh, wait a minute.  I also have Growl.
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Fischler" 
> To: "MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Problems with Extras Menu New Apps
>
> That is correct, no menu comes up or pops down. I even had trouble
> getting Trillion to work. What have you installed on your menu extras
> bar that works
>
> On Aug 9, 7:20 pm, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:
> > Hi Brian,
>
> > When you say that the menu extras don't work, do you mean that no menu
> > comes up when you press VO-Space on a particular item? I've added a couple
> > of things besides Dropbox to mine, and they all work perfectly.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Gavin Grundlingh
> > Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
> > Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
> > Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
> > Email: g.batw...@gmail.com
> > Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za
> > Skype: Batworx
> > Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/batworx
> > Twitter:http://twitter.com/baworx
>
> > On 10 Aug 2012, at 1:17 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
> > > Hey all,
>
> > > Been trying to add some new apps to my mac, and I have noticed that
> > > anything I try and add that puts itself in the Menu Extras doesn't
> > > seem to work with VO. It could be that these apps do not work with
> > > Voiceover, or it could be that the Menus Extras just dones't work very
> > > well with VO. My dropbox works fine, but I tried to install Menu Pages
> > > for Facebook, got it successfully downloaded from the App store as it
> > > is in my app folder, but when I go to launch it, it just appears in
> > > the menu extras, and will tell me that Menu Pages for Facebook has no
> > > windows. I have tried installing other apps that send themselves to
> > > the Menus Extras all free Facebook related apps and anything that goes
> > > in to the menu extras just doesn't seem to work. Has anyone put
> > > anything successfully in to the menu extras outside of dropbox? Thanks
>
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Re: Problems with Extras Menu New Apps

[Brian Fischler]

Hey chris,

Thanks for the link, just downloaded it, but finally got around to
installing Skype, so now trying to figure out how in the world to
connect my Facebook to Skype it claims you can't but of course there
is an icon you have to click on, and VO is not finding it, so going to
search for that before playing around with Adium then got to figure
out Growl as I have never used that either. Thanks for the help

On Aug 10, 6:58 pm, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something here but, what good is such an app?  I mean, 
> wouldn't you know if you unplugged a USB device or, turned off your wifi 
> radio?
>
> JMO.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info
>
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hardware Growler is an app that allows you to see Growl notifications 
> > whenever you do something hardware related. For example, connecting or 
> > disconnecting a USB device, turning Wi-Fi on or off, etc.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Gavin Grundlingh
> > Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
> > Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
> > Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
> > Email: g.batw...@gmail.com
> > Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za
> > Skype: Batworx
> > Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/batworx
> > Twitter:http://twitter.com/baworx
>
> > On 10 Aug 2012, at 10:01 AM, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
> >  wrote:
>
> >> What's the difference in Growl, vs. hardware growler?  Now you got me 
> >> curious.
>
> >> Chris.
>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Gavin Grundlingh
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:54 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Problems with Extras Menu New Apps
>
> >> Besides Dropbox, I have Growl, Hardware Growler, Soundflowerbed, and 
> >> Boxcar. What does Trillian do. I could install it on my machine and test 
> >> it for you, if you'd like.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Gavin Grundlingh
> >> Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
> >> Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
> >> Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
> >> Email: g.batw...@gmail.comSecondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za
> >> Skype: Batworx
> >> Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/batworxTwitter:http://twitter.com/baworx
>
> >> On 10 Aug 2012, at 1:44 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
> >>> That is correct, no menu comes up or pops down. I even had trouble
> >>> getting Trillion to work. What have you installed on your menu extras
> >>> bar that works
>
> >>> On Aug 9, 7:20 pm, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:
> >>>> Hi Brian,
>
> >>>> When you say that the menu extras don't work, do you mean that no menu 
> >>>> comes up when you press VO-Space on a particular item? I've added a 
> >>>> couple of things besides Dropbox to mine, and they all work perfectly.
>
> >>>> Regards,
>
> >>>> Gavin Grundlingh
> >>>> Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
> >>>> Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
> >>>> Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
> >>>> Email: g.batw...@gmail.com
> >>>> Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za
> >>>> Skype: Batworx
> >>>> Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/batworx
> >>>> Twitter:http://twitter.com/baworx
>
> >>>> On 10 Aug 2012, at 1:17 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
> >>>>> Hey all,
>
> >>>>> Been trying to add some new apps to my mac, and I have noticed that
> >>>>> anything I try and add that puts itself in the Menu Extras doesn't
> >>>>> seem to work with VO. It could be that these apps do not work with
> >>>>> Voiceover, or it could be that the Menus Extras just dones't work very
> >>>>> well with VO. My dropbox works fine, but I tried to install Menu Pages
> >>>>> for Facebook, got it successfully downloaded from the App store as it
> >>>>> is in my app folder, but when I go to launch it, it just appears in
> >>>>> the menu extras, and will tell me that Menu Pages for Facebook has no
> >>>>> windows. I have tried installing other apps that send themselves to
> >>>>> the Menus Extras all free Facebook related apps and anything that goes
> >>>>> in to the menu extras just doesn't seem to work. Has anyone put
> >>>>> anything successfully 

Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Finally just got around to installing Skype on the mac. I had read on
the Skype site that you could connect your Facebook account to read
your timeline, comment, like, chat, and call Facebook friends. Of
course, I can't seem to find anyway to authorize my facebook account.
I did a search for this and it says there is a Facebook icon you have
to click on, and VO must not be picking it up. Has anyone successfully
connected their FB account, and if so how? Thanks

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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Gavin,

hilarious, so you don't think I am a complete idiot. I kept searching
for this as I was doing what you suggested before even posting this
but there was nothing in the html content. I then quit skype and
relaunched, and now the Facebook login is appearing. Strange, go
figure. Now the fun of finding how much of all this is accessible with
VO. Thanks for the post.

On Aug 11, 5:21 pm, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Here are the setpe I used to connect my Facebook account to Skype:
>
> In Skype, there is a table immediately to the right of the toolbar. Interact 
> with it and select "Skype Home". Now, stop interacting with the table, find 
> the html content area, interact with it, and press the "Connect To Facebook" 
> button. You should be taken to a page that will ask you for your Facebook 
> credentials.
>
> That's it! Once your accounts are connected, your Facebook friends should 
> appear in your Skype contacts list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gavin Grundlingh
> Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
> Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
> Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
> Email: g.batw...@gmail.com
> Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za
> Skype: Batworx
> Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/batworx
> Twitter:http://twitter.com/baworx
>
> On 11 Aug 2012, at 11:05 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > Finally just got around to installing Skype on the mac. I had read on
> > the Skype site that you could connect your Facebook account to read
> > your timeline, comment, like, chat, and call Facebook friends. Of
> > course, I can't seem to find anyway to authorize my facebook account.
> > I did a search for this and it says there is a Facebook icon you have
> > to click on, and VO must not be picking it up. Has anyone successfully
> > connected their FB account, and if so how? Thanks
>
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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Not a good sign. Just tried posting to Facebook using Skype, and got
stuck in a busy loop, so I toggled VO off and on, and it crashed
Skype. Gavin do you use Facebook through skype or anyone else out
there do this?

On Aug 11, 5:05 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Finally just got around to installing Skype on the mac. I had read on
> the Skype site that you could connect your Facebook account to read
> your timeline, comment, like, chat, and call Facebook friends. Of
> course, I can't seem to find anyway to authorize my facebook account.
> I did a search for this and it says there is a Facebook icon you have
> to click on, and VO must not be picking it up. Has anyone successfully
> connected their FB account, and if so how? Thanks

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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Unreal not sure how this stuff always happens to me. I had to go in
and Force Quit Skype, then is disappeared from the dock for a few
moments. Now it is back so I relaunched, and how odd, immediately upon
launcing Skype went back in to being busy busy busy. I thought Skype
for the most part was suppose to be accessible on the mac on mountain
Lion

On Aug 11, 5:05 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Finally just got around to installing Skype on the mac. I had read on
> the Skype site that you could connect your Facebook account to read
> your timeline, comment, like, chat, and call Facebook friends. Of
> course, I can't seem to find anyway to authorize my facebook account.
> I did a search for this and it says there is a Facebook icon you have
> to click on, and VO must not be picking it up. Has anyone successfully
> connected their FB account, and if so how? Thanks

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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Third time is not a charm, not very impressed with skype again just a
busy loop and in the Force Quit table it says Skype is not responding.
How odd this reminds me of using windows isn't Skype a windows owned
company now. Going to try to restart the computer and if that doesn't
work I will uninstall it and try reinstalling it. Once again something
with Voiceover that a sighted person could have done in ten minutes
has taken up half my day

On Aug 11, 5:44 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Unreal not sure how this stuff always happens to me. I had to go in
> and Force Quit Skype, then is disappeared from the dock for a few
> moments. Now it is back so I relaunched, and how odd, immediately upon
> launcing Skype went back in to being busy busy busy. I thought Skype
> for the most part was suppose to be accessible on the mac on mountain
> Lion
>
> On Aug 11, 5:05 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > Finally just got around to installing Skype on the mac. I had read on
> > the Skype site that you could connect your Facebook account to read
> > your timeline, comment, like, chat, and call Facebook friends. Of
> > course, I can't seem to find anyway to authorize my facebook account.
> > I did a search for this and it says there is a Facebook icon you have
> > to click on, and VO must not be picking it up. Has anyone successfully
> > connected their FB account, and if so how? Thanks

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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Unreal not sure how this stuff always happens to me. I had to go in
and Force Quit Skype, then is disappeared from the dock for a few
moments. Now it is back so I relaunched, and how odd, immediately upon
launcing Skype went back in to being busy busy busy. I thought Skype
for the most part was suppose to be accessible on the mac on mountain
Lion

On Aug 11, 5:05 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Finally just got around to installing Skype on the mac. I had read on
> the Skype site that you could connect your Facebook account to read
> your timeline, comment, like, chat, and call Facebook friends. Of
> course, I can't seem to find anyway to authorize my facebook account.
> I did a search for this and it says there is a Facebook icon you have
> to click on, and VO must not be picking it up. Has anyone successfully
> connected their FB account, and if so how? Thanks

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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Mark, Thanks for the response, so you think I should let it stay
in a busy loop for awhile instead of uninstalling and reinstalling?
Will try that, but if that is the case, I doubt I would ever use Skype
as the time it takes to load is ridiculous. Not sure if this is a
Facebook issue, as ever since I sent out one posting to Facebook, the
program goes in to busy evey time I launch it, and in the Force Quit
menu next to Skype it says Not Responding. The only logical
explanation to me is that something is corrupted with the program

On Aug 11, 6:03 pm, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
wrote:
> Skype sometimes takes a while to synchronize between itself and Facebook and 
> other servers, especially if those servers are down or at high-traffic times. 
>  Give it a while after launching Skype and go do something, thus creating an 
> unobserved vessel which, in its own time, may actually reach flashover 
> sublimation temperature.
>
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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Hey,

Interesting as if I stay in the Facebook html content skype has yet to
go in to a busy loop, but when I go in to the contacts pane skype
immediately goes busy. I do have a large Facebook friends list so I am
wondering if this is what is causing the busy as it might be loading
all of my friends. Anyone know if there is a way to set it to load
only Friends who are online, as I recall reading this was an issue
with another app and to set it to only load friends who are online.
Thanks Of course I could always defriend the 80 percent of Facebook
friends that I do not really know HA

On Aug 11, 6:11 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey Mark, Thanks for the response, so you think I should let it stay
> in a busy loop for awhile instead of uninstalling and reinstalling?
> Will try that, but if that is the case, I doubt I would ever use Skype
> as the time it takes to load is ridiculous. Not sure if this is a
> Facebook issue, as ever since I sent out one posting to Facebook, the
> program goes in to busy evey time I launch it, and in the Force Quit
> menu next to Skype it says Not Responding. The only logical
> explanation to me is that something is corrupted with the program
>
> On Aug 11, 6:03 pm, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Skype sometimes takes a while to synchronize between itself and Facebook 
> > and other servers, especially if those servers are down or at high-traffic 
> > times.  Give it a while after launching Skype and go do something, thus 
> > creating an unobserved vessel which, in its own time, may actually reach 
> > flashover sublimation temperature.
>
> >  • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> >  • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> >  • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> >  • My home page:
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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Yeah that would be nice to be able to do, only problem is every time I
go into the contacts table skype immediately goes busy. Letting it run
now but it has been 10 minutes and just checked it is still busy, so
not sure I can set my contacts that way as everytime I go to that
table the program freezes up. Going to check it out on my Iphone to
see if the Facebook thing is happening there, never thought of that.
If I can't access my contacts than I fail to see the point of having
Skype. Again, not sure how I always have issues like this

On Aug 11, 5:05 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Finally just got around to installing Skype on the mac. I had read on
> the Skype site that you could connect your Facebook account to read
> your timeline, comment, like, chat, and call Facebook friends. Of
> course, I can't seem to find anyway to authorize my facebook account.
> I did a search for this and it says there is a Facebook icon you have
> to click on, and VO must not be picking it up. Has anyone successfully
> connected their FB account, and if so how? Thanks

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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Yippee The Busy Craziness finally stopped. It still doesn't seem to be
working great, but at least I can get to the contacts table now.
Question for those of you who are using Skype with your Facebook
accounts. It seems like if you do a command R that refreshes your
feed. I can't seem to fingure out the best way to navigate your
timeline. I think I used the auto web spots pane and that took me near
the top. Any usggestions here? I assume the only way to call a
Facebook friend is if they have skype and Facebook connected, but what
about chatting or IMing. Oh yeah and the strange thing about the busy
busy messages is my contacts table was already set on online contacts
only. I hope I will not have to go through this every time Skype
starts up

On Aug 11, 5:05 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Finally just got around to installing Skype on the mac. I had read on
> the Skype site that you could connect your Facebook account to read
> your timeline, comment, like, chat, and call Facebook friends. Of
> course, I can't seem to find anyway to authorize my facebook account.
> I did a search for this and it says there is a Facebook icon you have
> to click on, and VO must not be picking it up. Has anyone successfully
> connected their FB account, and if so how? Thanks

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Help with Selecting Text in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the
command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help
document in case anyone else is having problems

http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html

On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
> sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
> see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
> doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
> settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
> changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
> select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
> seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
> first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
> arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
> text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
> text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
> or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
> text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
> select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
> be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Well, forget about my last post and this selecting and copying working
so well. Yet another bug in ML, and yes, I will report it to Apple.
Selecting the text on a web page works fine the first time, but if you
want to select another part of the text from the same,Voiceover will
not regain its focus or insertion point, as it still wants to start
selecting text from the first place you selected the text. The only
work around I found for this was to toggle VO off and on, which of
course than takes you back to the start of the document, than you get
to find the area you want to select and copy again, and VO will allow
you to select the new area. Here is another example of how a blind
person has no shot at being as productive of our sighted peers. Quiet
frustrating as this took me forever to accomplish

On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think your doing anything wrong.  I think focus just gets lost 
> sometimes.  If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off.  I have 
> seen this behavior once or twice.  For the most part though, its worked 
> pretty well.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info
>
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
> > sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
> > see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
> > doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
> > settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
> > changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
> > select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
> > seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
> > first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
> > arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
> > text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
> > text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
> > or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
> > text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
> > select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
> > be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Geez, anytime anyone on this list criticizes Apple, they get attacked
personally. it's not being pesimistic it's being a realist. While I do
appreciate you responding, calling me pesimistic doesn't really help
solve the problem

On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think your doing anything wrong.  I think focus just gets lost 
> sometimes.  If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off.  I have 
> seen this behavior once or twice.  For the most part though, its worked 
> pretty well.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info
>
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
> > sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
> > see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
> > doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
> > settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
> > changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
> > select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
> > seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
> > first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
> > arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
> > text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
> > text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
> > or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
> > text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
> > select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
> > be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Hey guys, healthy disagreement here. And yes, Ricardo I do agree with
you that technology has come a very very long way in ten years, and I
think Apple is one of the companies at the fore front of this. I was
just adding that every time I have posted something on this list that
goes against the norm, someone comes at me saying I must be a Windows
user, or pessimistic, or something else. I post here oftenly since I
have discovered the list, and am grateful to all those who have been
very helpful. I additionally try and help people out as much as I can
when I have an answer to their question. The point I was making for
example, if someone writes how much they absolutely love the great new
way to select text in safari, I wouldn't start calling them crazy or
that they are oblivious or must work for Apple, so why when I post
opinion that criticizes something I get blasted. You did not blast me,
I am talking about the other instances of this

On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think your doing anything wrong.  I think focus just gets lost 
> sometimes.  If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off.  I have 
> seen this behavior once or twice.  For the most part though, its worked 
> pretty well.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info
>
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
> > sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
> > see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
> > doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
> > settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
> > changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
> > select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
> > seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
> > first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
> > arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
> > text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
> > text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
> > or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
> > text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
> > select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
> > be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
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Re: Web Host and Voice Over

[Brian Fischler]

With Rapid Weaver do you have to know coding or is it a widget based
design? Our website is hosted through GoDaddy and their website
tonight is completely inaccessible. Thanks

On Aug 12, 2:11 pm, Grant Hyde  wrote:
> I'm excited to find that I can now create webpages using text edit.  The web 
> hosting service I use does not work very well  with voice over.  Can anyone 
> suggest a hosting plan that does work well with the voice over program.?
>
> Thank you,
> Grant

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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Well put Les. I have almost given up on a lot of tables on the mac,
and numbers is driving me crazy, as sometimes it works and other times
it doesn't. I know Apple is working on these things, and they aren't
the easiest problems to fix, but hey, I lack patience.

On Aug 12, 11:27 pm, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Keep on posting please.  Like you, I'm a big believer in Apple and what 
> they've done, but Apple currently cannot handle all of our needs.  Examples 
> would be reading of tables and reading of pdf documents.  I use my Mac 
> virtually all of the time but still use Windows on occasion for the 
> formentioned tasks, and I'm glad I have that option.
>
> Les
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the
> > command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help
> > document in case anyone else is having problems
>
> >http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html
>
> > On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> >> Hey all,
>
> >> Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
> >> sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
> >> see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
> >> doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
> >> settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
> >> changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
> >> select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
> >> seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
> >> first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
> >> arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
> >> text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
> >> text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
> >> or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
> >> text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
> >> select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
> >> be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

[Brian Fischler]

Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
but not in my main mailbox Thanks

On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> Hello Iona,
>
> I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
> these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone group. 
> This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would be a 
> problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
> suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for a 
> clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Andrew
> On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
> > labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
> > inbox. Good luck
> > Ioana
> > Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
> > stores.
>
> > On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
> > wrote:
>
> >> Hello Everyone,
>
> >> I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
> >> of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions to 
> >> do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
> >> haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
> >> issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
> >> receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
> >> any ideas.
>
> >> With best wishes and thanks
>
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Growl in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I have never used Growl before and have been reading through all the
threads on it to get a better understanding, but still am not sure
what the whole point of it is. I was surprised to learn that Growl is
installed on my system, as I don't recall ever installing as saw that
you had to buy it in the app store. Is the paid version more advanced?
What do people use Growl for? I do not need to be notified of incoming
mail messages as I am constantly checking my mail, but would love to
get notified of when certain friends tweet or post to Facebook. Does
Growl work with Menu Tab or Night Owl? I did see Night Owl in the
applications for Growl in my system preferences, but again am not sure
what it does. I was also surprised to learn that all of my
applications were enabled, but I never get any kind of notifications.
I did read something about turning speech on, so maybe this whole time
I have had little Growl messages popping up but never saying anything.
Thanks for any help.

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Re: Growl in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Missy and Shawn,

Thanks for the responses. I guess first off I just have to play around
with Growl a little more to get used to it. I just installed Trillion
but haven't used it as I found it to be a little inaccessible. Just
installed Meny Tab for Facebook, again need to play around with it. I
did see in the Growl Settings that it listed Night Owl, Yurufiru
pardon the spelling on that. Not sure what you can set Growl to do,
maybe I am just guilty of checking my updates so frequently that
alerts wouldn't really do much for me.

On Aug 15, 12:53 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> Hi Brian. I use Growl for Trillion, Skype since it's the only way for you to 
> hear if someone wrote you a message, Menuweather, and Itunes via GrowlTunes 
> to hear what song is being played.
>
> Shawn
> Sent from my white Mac Book

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Menu Tab For Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I recently installed Menu Tab for Facebook, and got the pro version.
While I find the app mostly accessible, from time to time, it pops up
I am assuming with some kind of a Facebook notification, and I can't
do anything with the notification. Has anyone figured out a work
around to interact with the notification. I have to Command Tab to get
back to what ever window I was previously in like mail or safari, as I
can't get VO to do anything with the pop up window. Any help would be
greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Menu Tab For Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

I found the main Facebook site like many to be difficult to navigate.
I know that you can set up the mobile site which is more accessible,
but I just rather have a Desktop FB app, it sits in the Extras Menu,
and is pretty accessible. I also thought it might have some more push
notifications, I think it is just preference, and it was only .99

On Aug 17, 12:59 pm, Chris  wrote:
> So what can I do with Menutab that I cannot do with the main or mobile
> Facebook sites? Thanks!
>
> On 17/08/2012 17:16, Brian Fischler wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey all,
>
> > I recently installed Menu Tab for Facebook, and got the pro version.
> > While I find the app mostly accessible, from time to time, it pops up
> > I am assuming with some kind of a Facebook notification, and I can't
> > do anything with the notification. Has anyone figured out a work
> > around to interact with the notification. I have to Command Tab to get
> > back to what ever window I was previously in like mail or safari, as I
> > can't get VO to do anything with the pop up window. Any help would be
> > greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Menu Tab For Facebook

[Brian Fischler]

Sorry, I should have posted that I only installed the program after I
installed Mountain Lion. Regarding the program not coming up I found
that you had to hit VO and hold the space bar down to get the program
to open. Additionally, if you click Control F it launches the program,
I don't think I had to enable that shortcut.

Does anyone know what might be popping up on the screen that I am not
able to interact with, and is not being read? It seems to say untitled
under system prefs if you select VO and F1 to pull up the item
chooser. Thanks

On Aug 17, 8:35 pm, Chris  wrote:
> So how do I use this with Lion then
>
> On 17/08/2012 23:50, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi.
>
> > Yes it is.  It will only be accessible with 3rd party status icons in 
> > Mountain Lion by the way.
>
> > hth
>
> > Ricardo Walker
> > rica...@appletothecore.info
> > Twitter:@apple2thecore
> >www.appletothecore.info
>
> > On Aug 17, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Chris  wrote:
>
> >> Oh, but is that not the status menu?
>
> >> On 17/08/2012 20:09, Alex Hall wrote:
> >>> Hit the menu command, vo-m, twice quickly. You'll find a lot of
> >>> keystrokes do different things when pressed once than they do when
> >>> pressed twice quickly.
> >>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Chris  >>> <mailto:christopher...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >>>> Thanks, how do I bring up the Extras menu?
>
> >>>> On 17/08/2012 18:49, Brian Fischler wrote:
> >>>>> I found the main Facebook site like many to be difficult to navigate.
> >>>>> I know that you can set up the mobile site which is more accessible,
> >>>>> but I just rather have a Desktop FB app, it sits in the Extras Menu,
> >>>>> and is pretty accessible. I also thought it might have some more push
> >>>>> notifications, I think it is just preference, and it was only .99
>
> >>>>> On Aug 17, 12:59 pm, Chris  >>>>> <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>> So what can I do with Menutab that I cannot do with the main or mobile
> >>>>>> Facebook sites? Thanks!
>
> >>>>>> On 17/08/2012 17:16, Brian Fischler wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Hey all,
>
> >>>>>>> I recently installed Menu Tab for Facebook, and got the pro version.
> >>>>>>> While I find the app mostly accessible, from time to time, it pops up
> >>>>>>> I am assuming with some kind of a Facebook notification, and I can't
> >>>>>>> do anything with the notification. Has anyone figured out a work
> >>>>>>> around to interact with the notification. I have to Command Tab to get
> >>>>>>> back to what ever window I was previously in like mail or safari, as I
> >>>>>>> can't get VO to do anything with the pop up window. Any help would be
> >>>>>>> greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
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Re: Blogging platforms, which is accessible?

[Brian Fischler]

Are you using Square Space with Voiceover on a mac? If so, I found it
terribly inaccessible so would love to hear what I did wrong. I can
tell you that GoDaddy's website tonight is mostly inaccessible. For a
blog wordpress is mostly accessible. Good luck

On Aug 16, 1:12 pm, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I need to put up a blog type site where basically I will upload two images
> every week so I can show people I drect there sample pages for the magazine
> I work for.  Can someone suggest a VO-friendly platform or one that
> intrigrates well with Pges or another VO accessible editor?
>
> BILL HOLTON
>
> Email:                     b...@bholton.com
>
> Direct:                                  386-624-6309
>
> Homepage:         www.bholton.com
>
> Home Office:     1520 Loughton ST
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Re: Podcast App for Mac

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Mark,

I can confirm that indeed Downcast is working on a app for the mac, as
they responded directly to me a few weeks ago on Twitter you can check
my feed here if you want to find it @blindgator

On Aug 17, 10:15 pm, Esther  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> I use a couple of AppleScripts to speed up playback of tracks selected
> in iTunes and return to normal speed. iTunes itself doesn't support
> variable speed playback, but QuickTime Player, which it uses, does. So
> the scripts just pass the current position in the track to QuickTime
> Player, with the speed boost, and then back to iTunes at normal speed,
> so the track position can be kept.  I've used this method for several
> years. However, it's the older version of QuickTime, which is now
> dubbed "QuickTime 7", that has the easy access to A/V controls of
> pitch, speed, etc. that was used for the scripts, and while this still
> works (and provides different playback options -- all accessible
> through the GUI with VoiceOver), it's no longer included by default
> with operating system distributions starting with Lion; you have to
> download it separately.
>
> If you're interested, I posted instructions on the Mac-access list
> earlier this year, and you can read the post in the mail archives:
> Speeding up podcasts on the 
> Mac:http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access%40mac-access.net/msg08057.html
>
> HTH.  Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Aug 17, 2:54 pm, Garth Humphreys  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I don't have a recommendation at the moment but I think I saw some 
> > reference in the twitter stream from down cast. He mentioned that he was 
> > working on a Mac app. I'll be very happy if so.
>
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 18/08/2012, at 5:52, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>
> > Hi Listers,
> > I use and enjoy Downcast on ios. Does anyone have recommendations for 
> > podcast apps on the Mac? Hopefully one that will allow speeding up of 
> > playback. Thanks.
> > Marc
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Re: Badges in YoruFukurou

[Brian Fischler]

Has anyone ever figured out how to get the unbelievably annoying one
row added to stop in this app? I hate that when I am looking at my
timeline, and VO is reading a tweet to me it is constantly interrupted
by the app saying one row added. In my opinion, it makes reading ones
Timeline almost unsable as you have to keep trying to read the tweet
you want to read. Any help with this would be great, as I do love
Night Owl for sending out my tweets. Thanks

On Aug 20, 3:22 pm, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
wrote:
> When I launch YoruFukurou, each time I get new tweets in my timeline,
> mentions, or for that mind, DM's, it keeps updating with a badge, for lack
> of better term alert in my dock.  So, recently, when I looked down in my
> dock, for example, it said, "YoruFukurou 200 something odd items."  This
> isn't per, sey, an issue, but, I do wonder if I can turn it off where it
> won't put the new item count with the icon in the dock.  maybe I'm just
> weird, but I'd rather it not tell me that.
>
> I looked in the preferences under notifications, and also under account
> notifications, but I don't see any way to shut that off, unless it's
> berried, and I'm missing something.  Obviously, there is nothing in the
> notification center preferences either under system prefs.
>
> I'm on version 2.76 of YoruFukurou, using mountain Lion, if that helps.
>
> Chris.

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Re: Blogging platforms, which is accessible?

[Brian Fischler]

I tried using Square Space about three months ago, and found it
inaccessible I emailed them and they were very quck to reply, and said
they didn't think that Square Space worked with screen readers, mainly
voiceover. So this is great to hear that it may be accessible, I will
have to give it a try again. Not sure how I found it so difficult to
use. Thanks

On Aug 20, 2:26 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Are you using Square Space with Voiceover on a mac? If so, I found it
> terribly inaccessible so would love to hear what I did wrong. I can
> tell you that GoDaddy's website tonight is mostly inaccessible. For a
> blog wordpress is mostly accessible. Good luck
>
> On Aug 16, 1:12 pm, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi.
>
> > I need to put up a blog type site where basically I will upload two images
> > every week so I can show people I drect there sample pages for the magazine
> > I work for.  Can someone suggest a VO-friendly platform or one that
> > intrigrates well with Pges or another VO accessible editor?
>
> > BILL HOLTON
>
> > Email:                    <mailto:b...@bholton.com> b...@bholton.com
>
> > Direct:                                  386-624-6309
>
> > Homepage:         <http://www.bholton.com>www.bholton.com
>
> > Home Office:     1520 Loughton ST
>
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Re: Applications Not Coming Up with Cmd+Tab

[Brian Fischler]

Hey,

I used to use command tab all the time, but since I set up keyboard
commanders to launch programs I find that works much faster for
examples I use the right control key and hit S to bring up safari. I
changed Mail to use the Z key since I go there a lot and just now have
to hit the right control key and Z pretty much for the most part have
set up keys for all the programs I use a lot. To access the keyboard
commanders go to the VO Utility by clicking VO F8 Hope this helps even
though it wasn't what you asked for.

On Aug 21, 12:11 am, Brandon Olivares 
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am having a strange problem.
>
> It started with Messages. If I have messages open, and I command tab away 
> from it, I cannot command tab back to it. I have to go to the application 
> switcher menu and select it.
>
> Now it is doing the same thing with Safari, which is really annoying.
>
> Does anyone have any idea why this might be happening?
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon

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Re: Badges in YoruFukurou

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks so much Rachel, just got it turned off. Will have to see if
that gets rid of the busy messages. Only other question, if real time
streaming is turned off how does your timeline refresh and do you need
to hit a command like command R to refesh your timeline? Thanks again

On Aug 21, 6:45 pm, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
> Turn off real-time streaming in preferences, under the general button. It's a 
> checkbox that says enable real-time streaming.
>
> On Aug 21, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Has anyone ever figured out how to get the unbelievably annoying one
> > row added to stop in this app? I hate that when I am looking at my
> > timeline, and VO is reading a tweet to me it is constantly interrupted
> > by the app saying one row added. In my opinion, it makes reading ones
> > Timeline almost unsable as you have to keep trying to read the tweet
> > you want to read. Any help with this would be great, as I do love
> > Night Owl for sending out my tweets. Thanks
>
> > On Aug 20, 3:22 pm, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
> > wrote:
> >> When I launch YoruFukurou, each time I get new tweets in my timeline,
> >> mentions, or for that mind, DM's, it keeps updating with a badge, for lack
> >> of better term alert in my dock.  So, recently, when I looked down in my
> >> dock, for example, it said, "YoruFukurou 200 something odd items."  This
> >> isn't per, sey, an issue, but, I do wonder if I can turn it off where it
> >> won't put the new item count with the icon in the dock.  maybe I'm just
> >> weird, but I'd rather it not tell me that.
>
> >> I looked in the preferences under notifications, and also under account
> >> notifications, but I don't see any way to shut that off, unless it's
> >> berried, and I'm missing something.  Obviously, there is nothing in the
> >> notification center preferences either under system prefs.
>
> >> I'm on version 2.76 of YoruFukurou, using mountain Lion, if that helps.
>
> >> Chris.
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Is Facebook Now Completely Broken

[Brian Fischler]

I have had it with Facebook, and if I didn't need it for work would
get rid of it. I went to update a status this morning, and went to the
website, was so happy as everything in Mountain Lion had been working
great, as I had set the sweet spot to go straight to update status
field, and then today, I go there and there is now a combo box that is
in the update status text field. I VO shift Down in to the Combo Box
tried typing and nothing, tried moving around and nothing. I said ok
let me go to Menu Tab and just update my status there, and guess what
same thing, the update status text field now has a combo box there.
Has anyone else had this happen today? If so, any work around? The
people who run the mobile site on their desktop are you having the
same problem? I am a non-violent person, but if I ever meet anyone who
works for Facebook, I am going to punch them in the face. They could
be the worst company out there along with ESPN who have made no effort
to make their site better compatabile with screen readers.

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Re: Badges in YoruFukurou

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Rachel Thanks again, that really helped make Night Owl much more
usable when viewing the Timeline. One other problem I have always had
is replying to someone or trying to retweet something, as the VO Focus
and Cursor focus must be different. Basically what happens is the
person I try and hit return on that VO is reading me, sends a response
to someone I read like four or five tweets ago. I know that might not
have been described the best way. What I am asking, is have you found
a great way to retweet and respond to people using VO, or the quick
nav, I find I have to turn quick nav off and sometimes this help
focurs on the tweet I want to interact with, but not all the time.
Thanks

On Aug 20, 5:36 pm, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I think the new items refer to unread tweets. And pressing the spacebar will 
> take you to whatever tweets Night Owl thinks are unread. If you haven't, you 
> can also try going to accounts in preferences, then the general tab and 
> uncheck the box that talks about enabling unread management.
> Good luck!
> Rachel
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:22 PM, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > When I launch YoruFukurou, each time I get new tweets in my timeline, 
> > mentions, or for that mind, DM's, it keeps updating with a badge, for lack 
> > of better term alert in my dock.  So, recently, when I looked down in my 
> > dock, for example, it said, "YoruFukurou 200 something odd items."  This 
> > isn't per, sey, an issue, but, I do wonder if I can turn it off where it 
> > won't put the new item count with the icon in the dock.  maybe I'm just 
> > weird, but I'd rather it not tell me that.
>
> > I looked in the preferences under notifications, and also under account 
> > notifications, but I don't see any way to shut that off, unless it's 
> > berried, and I'm missing something.  Obviously, there is nothing in the 
> > notification center preferences either under system prefs.
>
> > I'm on version 2.76 of YoruFukurou, using mountain Lion, if that helps.
>
> > Chris.
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Re: Is Facebook Now Completely Broken

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks Matt, will have to go and find the directions to set up the
mobile site on my desktop Can't believe that I am the only one having
this problem,

On Aug 22, 1:31 pm, matthew Dyer 
wrote:
> I stopped using the desktop site a long time ago.  I stick with 
> m.facebook.com and it works just fine here.  Just my thoughts.
>
>      Matthew
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have had it with Facebook, and if I didn't need it for work would
> > get rid of it. I went to update a status this morning, and went to the
> > website, was so happy as everything in Mountain Lion had been working
> > great, as I had set the sweet spot to go straight to update status
> > field, and then today, I go there and there is now a combo box that is
> > in the update status text field. I VO shift Down in to the Combo Box
> > tried typing and nothing, tried moving around and nothing. I said ok
> > let me go to Menu Tab and just update my status there, and guess what
> > same thing, the update status text field now has a combo box there.
> > Has anyone else had this happen today? If so, any work around? The
> > people who run the mobile site on their desktop are you having the
> > same problem? I am a non-violent person, but if I ever meet anyone who
> > works for Facebook, I am going to punch them in the face. They could
> > be the worst company out there along with ESPN who have made no effort
> > to make their site better compatabile with screen readers.
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Re: Is Facebook Now Completely Broken

[Brian Fischler]

Ok, there is no way this can just be happening to me. If I go to
Facebook through Safari, Menu Tab, or Facebook Mobile through Safari
on my desktop using Mountain Lion, as soon as I go to What's On Your
Mind, the text field where I have been posting my comments for years,
VO says, What's On Your Mind Combo Box. It says that through anything
I am trying to access FB with. I try to type and nothing, I interact
with the combo and nothing. There is no way to update your status. I
have restarted my computer thinking maybe it was an error, but am
still getting this combo box thing. Any suggestions, as I find it hard
to believe it is just me. I have not played around with any settings,
it just started happening this morning.

On Aug 22, 12:45 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> I have had it with Facebook, and if I didn't need it for work would
> get rid of it. I went to update a status this morning, and went to the
> website, was so happy as everything in Mountain Lion had been working
> great, as I had set the sweet spot to go straight to update status
> field, and then today, I go there and there is now a combo box that is
> in the update status text field. I VO shift Down in to the Combo Box
> tried typing and nothing, tried moving around and nothing. I said ok
> let me go to Menu Tab and just update my status there, and guess what
> same thing, the update status text field now has a combo box there.
> Has anyone else had this happen today? If so, any work around? The
> people who run the mobile site on their desktop are you having the
> same problem? I am a non-violent person, but if I ever meet anyone who
> works for Facebook, I am going to punch them in the face. They could
> be the worst company out there along with ESPN who have made no effort
> to make their site better compatabile with screen readers.

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Re: Is Facebook Now Completely Broken

[Brian Fischler]

Great to see such a great response here. Let me address a few things
here. One, I have had Mountain Lion installed for a few weeks, and
there had been no problem working with ML and Facebook. It just
started this morning when I pulled FB up to write something. I need to
use FB for work, so not using it is not an option. I have tried the
movile version, menu tab and the main website through safari and still
nothing. Which ever one I go to says What's On Your Mind then Combo
Bob. For those of you who wrote this has been here for years, it just
started showing up for me today. I didn't update anything or make any
changes. I really appreciate the people who suggested work arounds
that work for them. I finally figured a work around in Menu Tab but
still not sure what I did so will have to play with a little more.
Everything was fine when I went to bed last night, so not sure how
this problem just started happening this morning. There is no way to
contact Facebook, no phone number, actually I think there is a phone
number, but good luck trying to get a person on the phone, and if you
email them you will just get a standard response, as I tried this a
few years ago. I guess they look at it as there is the Facebook way
and that is it. Facebook would make a great dictatorship. If others
are having this problem, please do let us know if you figure out any
work arounds.

On Aug 22, 2:36 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Ok, there is no way this can just be happening to me. If I go to
> Facebook through Safari, Menu Tab, or Facebook Mobile through Safari
> on my desktop using Mountain Lion, as soon as I go to What's On Your
> Mind, the text field where I have been posting my comments for years,
> VO says, What's On Your Mind Combo Box. It says that through anything
> I am trying to access FB with. I try to type and nothing, I interact
> with the combo and nothing. There is no way to update your status. I
> have restarted my computer thinking maybe it was an error, but am
> still getting this combo box thing. Any suggestions, as I find it hard
> to believe it is just me. I have not played around with any settings,
> it just started happening this morning.
>
> On Aug 22, 12:45 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have had it with Facebook, and if I didn't need it for work would
> > get rid of it. I went to update a status this morning, and went to the
> > website, was so happy as everything in Mountain Lion had been working
> > great, as I had set the sweet spot to go straight to update status
> > field, and then today, I go there and there is now a combo box that is
> > in the update status text field. I VO shift Down in to the Combo Box
> > tried typing and nothing, tried moving around and nothing. I said ok
> > let me go to Menu Tab and just update my status there, and guess what
> > same thing, the update status text field now has a combo box there.
> > Has anyone else had this happen today? If so, any work around? The
> > people who run the mobile site on their desktop are you having the
> > same problem? I am a non-violent person, but if I ever meet anyone who
> > works for Facebook, I am going to punch them in the face. They could
> > be the worst company out there along with ESPN who have made no effort
> > to make their site better compatabile with screen readers.

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Re: Badges in YoruFukurou

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Steve, Thanks I turned quick nav off before going to Night Owl,
sorry can't spell the Yuru what ever it is, than toggled VO off and
on, and the focus of VO seems to be on the right tweet to interact
with it. Hopefully I can get to a point where I do not have to toggle
VO off to get the focus on the right tweet will play around with it a
little as I do use quick nav in almost everything. Thanks again

On Aug 21, 11:54 pm, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> i'm very glad this worked for you! And you can set your timeline to refresh 
> in intervals of whatever you want. Usually a minute seems to work well 
> enough. If you want it to refresh more, then you can manually refresh all 
> tabs by pressing command+shift+R.
> Or just command+R to refresh the current tab.
>
> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thanks so much Rachel, just got it turned off. Will have to see if
> > that gets rid of the busy messages. Only other question, if real time
> > streaming is turned off how does your timeline refresh and do you need
> > to hit a command like command R to refesh your timeline? Thanks again
>
> > On Aug 21, 6:45 pm, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
> >> Turn off real-time streaming in preferences, under the general button. 
> >> It's a checkbox that says enable real-time streaming.
>
> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
> >>> Has anyone ever figured out how to get the unbelievably annoying one
> >>> row added to stop in this app? I hate that when I am looking at my
> >>> timeline, and VO is reading a tweet to me it is constantly interrupted
> >>> by the app saying one row added. In my opinion, it makes reading ones
> >>> Timeline almost unsable as you have to keep trying to read the tweet
> >>> you want to read. Any help with this would be great, as I do love
> >>> Night Owl for sending out my tweets. Thanks
>
> >>> On Aug 20, 3:22 pm, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> When I launch YoruFukurou, each time I get new tweets in my timeline,
> >>>> mentions, or for that mind, DM's, it keeps updating with a badge, for 
> >>>> lack
> >>>> of better term alert in my dock.  So, recently, when I looked down in my
> >>>> dock, for example, it said, "YoruFukurou 200 something odd items."  This
> >>>> isn't per, sey, an issue, but, I do wonder if I can turn it off where it
> >>>> won't put the new item count with the icon in the dock.  maybe I'm just
> >>>> weird, but I'd rather it not tell me that.
>
> >>>> I looked in the preferences under notifications, and also under account
> >>>> notifications, but I don't see any way to shut that off, unless it's
> >>>> berried, and I'm missing something.  Obviously, there is nothing in the
> >>>> notification center preferences either under system prefs.
>
> >>>> I'm on version 2.76 of YoruFukurou, using mountain Lion, if that helps.
>
> >>>> Chris.
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Re: Is Facebook Now Completely Broken

[Brian Fischler]

Do you have that link or email handy to contact Facebook. Day two of
the Combo Box issue. Still when I go to any text field it either says
What's on your mind combo box OR Comment combo box. Not sure how this
just started happening out of nowhere. I was able to type something
and get it posted. Basically had to type it up in an email, then copy
it and paste it in the combo box and click post. Of course, this is a
real pain, and it would be nice to know what I am posting, as I do
like to hear what I am writing before posting. I can't believe that in
one day Facebook absolutely broke accessibility of any kind for
posting using Voiceover. Unreal. It is getting to the point where it
seems to me Facebook goes out of there way to make their site
inaccessible to blind people

On Aug 22, 12:45 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> I have had it with Facebook, and if I didn't need it for work would
> get rid of it. I went to update a status this morning, and went to the
> website, was so happy as everything in Mountain Lion had been working
> great, as I had set the sweet spot to go straight to update status
> field, and then today, I go there and there is now a combo box that is
> in the update status text field. I VO shift Down in to the Combo Box
> tried typing and nothing, tried moving around and nothing. I said ok
> let me go to Menu Tab and just update my status there, and guess what
> same thing, the update status text field now has a combo box there.
> Has anyone else had this happen today? If so, any work around? The
> people who run the mobile site on their desktop are you having the
> same problem? I am a non-violent person, but if I ever meet anyone who
> works for Facebook, I am going to punch them in the face. They could
> be the worst company out there along with ESPN who have made no effort
> to make their site better compatabile with screen readers.

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Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Brian Fischler]

Hey David,

How do you hide the all mail folder? As I have labels and individual folders 
that I save the messages I need to save, and have never used the all mail 
folder, so would love to hide it if that is what is causing my issues. I also 
noticed that in my inbox when I move over to the column which tells me which 
email the message was sent to it, in Mountain Lion it would just read Gmail, 
and now it says google all mail. Thanks,
On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:54 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Yes, the all mail folder can be safely hidden. Every email message is given a 
> label. When you change the emails folder, what is actually changed is the 
> label which is assigned to the message.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 7:24, "Christina C."  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not having any problems at all with gmail. Despite the suggestion that 
>> you not hide the all mail folder…mine is hidden from apple mail. I have no 
>> idea why, but this has not caused me any problems whatsoever. I also delete 
>> instead of archive any unwanted mail. If it’s an email I want to save I just 
>> move it to a folder/label called “filed” and this seems to work for me if I 
>> don't’ want an email in my inbox but I might want to access it later.
>> 
>> If only showing 1000 messages fixes your problem than maybe you could use 
>> safari and the gmail website to search for an old email? Or maybe even 
>> though you only show 1000 messages when you do a search it will search all 
>> messages??? I do not know. Maybe someone else here has a suggestion on 
>> accessing old emails.
>> 
>> A long time ago I wanted to get rid of tons of unwanted emails so I created 
>> folders in apple mail to the on my mac instead of in the gmail portion of 
>> the side bar in apple mail. I don’t know how to explain that one, except to 
>> say that the folders were on my computer’s hard drive instead of syncing 
>> with gmail. then I went to gmails’ website and cleaned everything up except 
>> for the newest incoming messages. Then I went back to apple mail and moved 
>> the emails from my hard drive back to the appropriate folders in my gmail 
>> account. It was a crazy time but that was how I got rid of all the years and 
>> years of unwanted emails but I still was able to keep the ones that I 
>> wanted. It wasn’t a perfect solution but it worked for me.  It was a couple 
>> of years ago and I don’t remember all the details. So I don’t remember 
>> exactly everything I did so I hope I am not leading you astray. I am 
>> absolutely no expert of any kind, very very far from it. I just cannot put 
>> my finger on why some are having major problems and some are not. The one 
>> thing I know I do different than a lot of people is that I do not Archive, I 
>> delete emails.
>> 
>> Christina 
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Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Brian Fischler]

Well what makes it even more irksome is for the Apple rep to claim it is not a 
gmail issue, and walk me through a ton of stuff that unfortunately didn’t fix 
anything, so after I was off the phone with Apple, I deleted my gmail account 
from mail, and mail worked perfectly fine. Not sure why Apple can’t just admit 
and be honest that there is still a gmail issue. 
On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:59 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Apple fixed the problems in Gmail for many of their Max. However, after the 
> Mavericks update was released, some users still reported email problems. So, 
> Apple continues trying to figure out what is going on. This is the nature of 
> programming and bugs.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 6:59, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, that is what I thought. Hilarious as now I only get new mail upon 
>> quitting mail and restarting mail. Very frustrating, and I would have never 
>> upgraded to Mavericks if I knew the gmail issue was still such a problem, so 
>> yeah, I am pissed off at Apple for claiming they fixed the gmail problem. 
>> Very misleading, and I guess you just can’t trust anything you hear anymore.
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Robert C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you delete mail from All Mail, you will delete everything that is in the 
>>> inbox, deleted, drafts, sent. So if you do not move or archive mail outside 
>>> the gmail account, its gone.
>>> 
>>> I use message filters (not using Mac Mail yet, still on Windows) but gmail 
>>> is gmail. Before I dump All Mail, I look at the sent folder to see what I 
>>> want to archive. Then I delete mail from All Mail which takes care of the 
>>> other mentioned folders. I do this weekly.
>>> 
>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>>> The great majority of us are required to live a life of constant duplicity. 
>>>  Your health is bound to be affected if, day after day, you say the 
>>> opposite of what you feel, if you grovel before what you dislike, and 
>>> rejoice at what brings you nothing but misfortune.
>>> --Boris Pasternak
>>> Robert & Dreamer Doll  ke7nwn
>>> E-mail-
>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>>> On 1/21/2014 7:15 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>> Hey Nicholas,
>>>> 
>>>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at 
>>>> this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck is 
>>>> this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is 
>>>> there a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some sighted 
>>>> assistance to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I find the 
>>>> activity menu to see what mail is doing? Will explore around for it, but 
>>>> not sure where it is. Thanks,
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? 
>>>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or 
>>>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There 
>>>>> seems to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the 
>>>>> tech community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But what 
>>>>> I think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download and 
>>>>> reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have plenty of 
>>>>> messages, easily in the tens of thousands, and some people even have 
>>>>> hundreds of thousands. So when you launch Mail after recently installing 
>>>>> Mavericks, if you show the activity window with command-option-0, you'll 
>>>>> notice that Mail is busy accessing the gMail server and checking and 
>>>>> downloading all your messages. Even for a reasonably small account this 
>>>>> can take a long time. I left my Mac online with Mail running but nothing 
>>>>> else for a couple of days. This seemed to allow it to get up and running. 
>>>>> So I'd suggest you close every application and stop as many other online 
>>&

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Brian Fischler]

I think it is in settings but the idiots at Google still can’t make their gmail 
website work with VO. I just looked at the gmail site, and I think it reverted 
back to the view that doesn’t work with VO, and I can’t seem to find the damn 
link for classic view or non html whatever it is called. Very frustrating that 
Google still refuses to design their apps and stuff to work with VO.
On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Gmail has a couple settings which are initially set in a confusing way. One 
> of these settings is archive all mail. This is the default setting. It means, 
> whenever an email is deleted, Gmail places the archive label on the message. 
> For some reason, when Apple mail first sees these old messages, it assigns 
> them back to the original inbox folder. I ended up with over 140,000 email 
> messages since 2005.
> 
> The solution is: go to
> www.gmail.com
> and log-in to your gmail account. Find the preferences or settings page (I do 
> not remember what it is called), and locate the how to handle deleted 
> messages. Change this setting from permanently archive to delete. Another 
> setting found in this area is POP3 or IMAP. These are checkboxes, so Gmail 
> can be set to do both at the same time. I used to do this, but found 
> occasional headaches from it, so changed everything to IMAP.
> 
> I am currently in the process of deleting all my older messages. I 
> occasionally sort out important messages during the process. I am doing this 
> on my iPhone as the mail interface makes more sense to me. I am down to 
> 44,000 messages at this point.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 4:15, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Nicholas,
>> 
>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at 
>> this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck is 
>> this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is there 
>> a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some sighted assistance 
>> to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I find the activity menu 
>> to see what mail is doing? Will explore around for it, but not sure where it 
>> is. Thanks,
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>> 
>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? 
>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or 
>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is.
>>> 
>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be.
>>> 
>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There seems 
>>> to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the tech 
>>> community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But what I 
>>> think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download and 
>>> reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have plenty of 
>>> messages, easily in the tens of thousands, and some people even have 
>>> hundreds of thousands. So when you launch Mail after recently installing 
>>> Mavericks, if you show the activity window with command-option-0, you'll 
>>> notice that Mail is busy accessing the gMail server and checking and 
>>> downloading all your messages. Even for a reasonably small account this can 
>>> take a long time. I left my Mac online with Mail running but nothing else 
>>> for a couple of days. This seemed to allow it to get up and running. So I'd 
>>> suggest you close every application and stop as many other online services 
>>> as you can from operating, then just open Mail and leave your Mac online 
>>> for a good long time. Meaning at least 24 hours. Just leave it, and don't 
>>> do anything else with it, certainly not with Mail. Configure your energy 
>>> preferences so your Mac doesn't go to sleep. Check the Mail activity every 
>>> few hours to check that it's making progress. If it seems to have frozen, 
>>> quit it and re-launch.
>>> 
>>> Best of luck,
>>> Nic
>>> 
>>>> On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:04 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Would love any advice from those of you not having any problems with Gmail 
>>>> and Macmail. After  a day and a half of everything working fine, I had my 
>>>> busy busy problems again. I called Ap

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks for letting me know the Google issues are not just with Apple. I am an 
Apple loyalist, but assumed the Gmail issues and screen reader were just with 
Apple. I am noticing that all of my sent emails are also going to this ALL mail 
folder. I found some instructions on the web on what to do, but can’t seem to 
navigate Gmail on the web at all, as the old classic view seems to gone away. 
Hilarious that Google still can’t make their mail and apps work with a screen 
reader, but people are going to trust Google to put them behind the wheel of a 
self driving car. Makes me laugh. At least mail is working a lot better today, 
but would like to get to the root of the problem before the problems arise 
again.
On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Yes, but it is not just VO. Bye had similar problems when I used Windows 
> systems. Google regularly has problems with screenreader access.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:21, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it is in settings but the idiots at Google still can’t make their 
>> gmail website work with VO. I just looked at the gmail site, and I think it 
>> reverted back to the view that doesn’t work with VO, and I can’t seem to 
>> find the damn link for classic view or non html whatever it is called. Very 
>> frustrating that Google still refuses to design their apps and stuff to work 
>> with VO.
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gmail has a couple settings which are initially set in a confusing way. One 
>>> of these settings is archive all mail. This is the default setting. It 
>>> means, whenever an email is deleted, Gmail places the archive label on the 
>>> message. For some reason, when Apple mail first sees these old messages, it 
>>> assigns them back to the original inbox folder. I ended up with over 
>>> 140,000 email messages since 2005.
>>> 
>>> The solution is: go to
>>> www.gmail.com
>>> and log-in to your gmail account. Find the preferences or settings page (I 
>>> do not remember what it is called), and locate the how to handle deleted 
>>> messages. Change this setting from permanently archive to delete. Another 
>>> setting found in this area is POP3 or IMAP. These are checkboxes, so Gmail 
>>> can be set to do both at the same time. I used to do this, but found 
>>> occasional headaches from it, so changed everything to IMAP.
>>> 
>>> I am currently in the process of deleting all my older messages. I 
>>> occasionally sort out important messages during the process. I am doing 
>>> this on my iPhone as the mail interface makes more sense to me. I am down 
>>> to 44,000 messages at this point.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 4:15, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Nicholas,
>>>> 
>>>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at 
>>>> this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck is 
>>>> this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is 
>>>> there a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some sighted 
>>>> assistance to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I find the 
>>>> activity menu to see what mail is doing? Will explore around for it, but 
>>>> not sure where it is. Thanks,
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? 
>>>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or 
>>>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There 
>>>>> seems to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the 
>>>>> tech community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But what 
>>>>> I think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download and 
>>>>> reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have plenty of 
>>

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Brian Fischler]

Hey David,

Thanks for taking the time to spell it all out, and yes, it makes much more 
sense to me now. I guess what I need to do is follow the steps Mac World is 
suggesting, unless mail continues to work as good as it is now.
On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:36 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail 
> actually uses. It took me a couple years to get my head around the concept. 
> It is difficult to understand because it is so different from any other mail 
> handling protocols I have seen. So, I am not surprised that the tech support 
> person went down the wrong track. Most people do not understand what Gmail 
> actually does.
> 
> In point of fact, there are no folders in Gmail. There is only one folder 
> called all mail. This folder contains every email message.
> 
> What helped me to understand this was when I switched to the mac and learned 
> about virtual folders. A virtual folder does not actually have any messages 
> in it. A virtual folder is an index list of all the messages which match its 
> criteria. However, when in the virtual folder, email appears and handles the 
> same way that it does in any other folder. You are just manipulating the 
> message in its original folder, but you are in the virtual folder.
> 
> In Gmail, all folders are virtual except the all mail folder. There is only 
> one copy of your message, and it is in the all mail folder. When you access 
> it in any other folder, you are using a label index system to access the 
> message that is actually only located in the all mail folder. If you should 
> move the message from the gmail folder to a local only folder, the message is 
> copied from all mail and then deleted from all mail. If you move a message 
> from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all 
> mail folder, but its indexing label name is changed. If you copy a message 
> from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all 
> mail folder, but it is given a second indexing label.
> 
> Like I said, it is difficult to get one's head around how it works, so try 
> and cut the tech support person a little slack. Even the tech support person 
> is only human. Figure out how to understand mac mail's virtual mailboxes and 
> the gmail system should start making more sense. Then, if you have another 
> problem, you might be able to educate that tech support person on something 
> which is extremely confusing. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:14, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Well what makes it even more irksome is for the Apple rep to claim it is not 
>> a gmail issue, and walk me through a ton of stuff that unfortunately didn’t 
>> fix anything, so after I was off the phone with Apple, I deleted my gmail 
>> account from mail, and mail worked perfectly fine. Not sure why Apple can’t 
>> just admit and be honest that there is still a gmail issue. 
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:59 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple fixed the problems in Gmail for many of their Max. However, after the 
>>> Mavericks update was released, some users still reported email problems. 
>>> So, Apple continues trying to figure out what is going on. This is the 
>>> nature of programming and bugs.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 6:59, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, that is what I thought. Hilarious as now I only get new mail upon 
>>>> quitting mail and restarting mail. Very frustrating, and I would have 
>>>> never upgraded to Mavericks if I knew the gmail issue was still such a 
>>>> problem, so yeah, I am pissed off at Apple for claiming they fixed the 
>>>> gmail problem. Very misleading, and I guess you just can’t trust anything 
>>>> you hear anymore.
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Robert C  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you delete mail from All Mail, you will delete everything that is in 
>>>>> the inbox, deleted, drafts, sent. So if you do not move or archive mail 
>>>>> outside the gmail account, its gone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use message filters (not using Mac Mail yet, still on Windows) but 
>>>>> gmail is gmail. Before I dump All Mail, I look at the sent folder to see 
>>>>> what I want to archive. Then I delete mail from All Mail w

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Brian Fischler]

Hey David, One last question. I left a message for the guy I spoke to at Apple, 
hopefully he will call me back. Anyway, I just noticed in Mac mail in my sent 
folder there are 14000 messages. Can I delete all of these, will this help? I 
assume since I am not deleting anything from the All mail folder anything that 
I have labeled and put in to what I call a folder will still be there and 
remain. And of course, right after I mention how good mail has been working the 
busy busy issues have returned a little.
On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:36 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail 
> actually uses. It took me a couple years to get my head around the concept. 
> It is difficult to understand because it is so different from any other mail 
> handling protocols I have seen. So, I am not surprised that the tech support 
> person went down the wrong track. Most people do not understand what Gmail 
> actually does.
> 
> In point of fact, there are no folders in Gmail. There is only one folder 
> called all mail. This folder contains every email message.
> 
> What helped me to understand this was when I switched to the mac and learned 
> about virtual folders. A virtual folder does not actually have any messages 
> in it. A virtual folder is an index list of all the messages which match its 
> criteria. However, when in the virtual folder, email appears and handles the 
> same way that it does in any other folder. You are just manipulating the 
> message in its original folder, but you are in the virtual folder.
> 
> In Gmail, all folders are virtual except the all mail folder. There is only 
> one copy of your message, and it is in the all mail folder. When you access 
> it in any other folder, you are using a label index system to access the 
> message that is actually only located in the all mail folder. If you should 
> move the message from the gmail folder to a local only folder, the message is 
> copied from all mail and then deleted from all mail. If you move a message 
> from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all 
> mail folder, but its indexing label name is changed. If you copy a message 
> from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains in the all 
> mail folder, but it is given a second indexing label.
> 
> Like I said, it is difficult to get one's head around how it works, so try 
> and cut the tech support person a little slack. Even the tech support person 
> is only human. Figure out how to understand mac mail's virtual mailboxes and 
> the gmail system should start making more sense. Then, if you have another 
> problem, you might be able to educate that tech support person on something 
> which is extremely confusing. 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:14, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Well what makes it even more irksome is for the Apple rep to claim it is not 
>> a gmail issue, and walk me through a ton of stuff that unfortunately didn’t 
>> fix anything, so after I was off the phone with Apple, I deleted my gmail 
>> account from mail, and mail worked perfectly fine. Not sure why Apple can’t 
>> just admit and be honest that there is still a gmail issue. 
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:59 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple fixed the problems in Gmail for many of their Max. However, after the 
>>> Mavericks update was released, some users still reported email problems. 
>>> So, Apple continues trying to figure out what is going on. This is the 
>>> nature of programming and bugs.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 6:59, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, that is what I thought. Hilarious as now I only get new mail upon 
>>>> quitting mail and restarting mail. Very frustrating, and I would have 
>>>> never upgraded to Mavericks if I knew the gmail issue was still such a 
>>>> problem, so yeah, I am pissed off at Apple for claiming they fixed the 
>>>> gmail problem. Very misleading, and I guess you just can’t trust anything 
>>>> you hear anymore.
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Robert C  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you delete mail from All Mail, you will delete everything that is in 
>>>>> the inbox, deleted, drafts, sent. So if you do not move or archive mail 
>>>>> outside the gmail account, its gone.
>>

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Brian Fischler]

I take it you aren’t implying all blind people are average, as I have yet to 
meet a blind person who can fully use google and all of there native apps with 
VoiceOVer
On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:20 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Actually, Google is an excellent research company. Outside of universities, 
> Google hires more PhD's and researchers then any other private company. The 
> problems are: because they have mainly very geeky people, they are not good 
> at writing basic level user interfaces, and Devices the research work well 
> for people who know what they are doing, but do not necessarily work so well 
> for average people.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:54, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for letting me know the Google issues are not just with Apple. I am 
>> an Apple loyalist, but assumed the Gmail issues and screen reader were just 
>> with Apple. I am noticing that all of my sent emails are also going to this 
>> ALL mail folder. I found some instructions on the web on what to do, but 
>> can’t seem to navigate Gmail on the web at all, as the old classic view 
>> seems to gone away. Hilarious that Google still can’t make their mail and 
>> apps work with a screen reader, but people are going to trust Google to put 
>> them behind the wheel of a self driving car. Makes me laugh. At least mail 
>> is working a lot better today, but would like to get to the root of the 
>> problem before the problems arise again.
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, but it is not just VO. Bye had similar problems when I used Windows 
>>> systems. Google regularly has problems with screenreader access.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:21, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think it is in settings but the idiots at Google still can’t make their 
>>>> gmail website work with VO. I just looked at the gmail site, and I think 
>>>> it reverted back to the view that doesn’t work with VO, and I can’t seem 
>>>> to find the damn link for classic view or non html whatever it is called. 
>>>> Very frustrating that Google still refuses to design their apps and stuff 
>>>> to work with VO.
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, David Chittenden  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gmail has a couple settings which are initially set in a confusing way. 
>>>>> One of these settings is archive all mail. This is the default setting. 
>>>>> It means, whenever an email is deleted, Gmail places the archive label on 
>>>>> the message. For some reason, when Apple mail first sees these old 
>>>>> messages, it assigns them back to the original inbox folder. I ended up 
>>>>> with over 140,000 email messages since 2005.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The solution is: go to
>>>>> www.gmail.com
>>>>> and log-in to your gmail account. Find the preferences or settings page 
>>>>> (I do not remember what it is called), and locate the how to handle 
>>>>> deleted messages. Change this setting from permanently archive to delete. 
>>>>> Another setting found in this area is POP3 or IMAP. These are checkboxes, 
>>>>> so Gmail can be set to do both at the same time. I used to do this, but 
>>>>> found occasional headaches from it, so changed everything to IMAP.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am currently in the process of deleting all my older messages. I 
>>>>> occasionally sort out important messages during the process. I am doing 
>>>>> this on my iPhone as the mail interface makes more sense to me. I am down 
>>>>> to 44,000 messages at this point.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 4:15, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Nicholas,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at 
>>>>>> this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck 
>>>>>> is this folder, as I looked and t

Re: What's wrong with Downcast on the Mac?

[Brian Fischler]

Good luck with that, as I deleted Downcast and have yet to be able to get it to 
actually open since reinstalling it from the app store, have traded a ton of 
emails with the developers but still have yet to be able to get Downcast to 
open on my mac, it just quits as soon as launched.
On Jan 21, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Hi,
> No, Downcast on OS X works perfect fine here. Try deleting and reinstalling 
> the app.
> 
> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Has anyone used Downcast in the last few days on their Mac?  Just that for 
>> the last few days, I can’t use it and have to use it on the I phone.  I 
>> wonder if Downcast is down as my internet connection is fine.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: What's wrong with Downcast on the Mac?

[Brian Fischler]

Jesus,

That si the file I deleted and since then I can’t even get Downcast to open. I 
have even uninstalled and reinstalled it, done a system repair and still 
Downcast will not open the program quits upon launch and just asks if I want to 
send an error report.
On Jan 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Jesus Garcia  wrote:

> Try the following see below.
> 1) Close Downcast 
> 2) Open Terminal 
> 3) Run this command in Terminal: defaults delete com.jamawkinaw.downcast.mac
> 
> 
> That will delete your Downcast preferences. The next time you start Downcast
> you should hit CMD 
> + R after it starts up to refresh all your podcasts. Since this is deleting
> your preferences, you'll need 
> to then re-enable iCloud settings so you get back in sync with your other
> devices. 
> Good luck. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
> Sent: January 21, 2014 18:41
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What's wrong with Downcast on the Mac?
> 
> Good luck with that, as I deleted Downcast and have yet to be able to get it
> to actually open since reinstalling it from the app store, have traded a ton
> of emails with the developers but still have yet to be able to get Downcast
> to open on my mac, it just quits as soon as launched.
> On Jan 21, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> No, Downcast on OS X works perfect fine here. Try deleting and
> reinstalling the app.
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone used Downcast in the last few days on their Mac?  Just that
> for the last few days, I can't use it and have to use it on the I phone.  I
> wonder if Downcast is down as my internet connection is fine.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: What's wrong with Downcast on the Mac?

[Brian Fischler]

Yes, I have emailed them, but have given up on getting Downcast to load as 
nothing I do gets it to open. Am resigned to just using Downcast on the iPhone 
for now
On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Jesus Garcia  wrote:

> I assume from what you said you wrote to the downcast folks? It took them
> about three days to get back with me, and though I did not have the same
> issue my downcast would also crash whenever I started it. It has been
> running perfect since then, I think they are still feeling their way in to
> iCloud sinc and if too many podcasts are in the sinc bad things happen. No
> proof just a feeling.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
> Sent: January 21, 2014 22:01
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What's wrong with Downcast on the Mac?
> 
> Jesus,
> 
> That si the file I deleted and since then I can't even get Downcast to open.
> I have even uninstalled and reinstalled it, done a system repair and still
> Downcast will not open the program quits upon launch and just asks if I want
> to send an error report.
> On Jan 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Jesus Garcia  wrote:
> 
>> Try the following see below.
>> 1) Close Downcast 
>> 2) Open Terminal 
>> 3) Run this command in Terminal: defaults delete
> com.jamawkinaw.downcast.mac
>> 
>> 
>> That will delete your Downcast preferences. The next time you start
> Downcast
>> you should hit CMD 
>> + R after it starts up to refresh all your podcasts. Since this is
> deleting
>> your preferences, you'll need 
>> to then re-enable iCloud settings so you get back in sync with your other
>> devices. 
>> Good luck. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
>> Sent: January 21, 2014 18:41
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: What's wrong with Downcast on the Mac?
>> 
>> Good luck with that, as I deleted Downcast and have yet to be able to get
> it
>> to actually open since reinstalling it from the app store, have traded a
> ton
>> of emails with the developers but still have yet to be able to get
> Downcast
>> to open on my mac, it just quits as soon as launched.
>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> No, Downcast on OS X works perfect fine here. Try deleting and
>> reinstalling the app.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone used Downcast in the last few days on their Mac?  Just that
>> for the last few days, I can't use it and have to use it on the I phone.
> I
>> wonder if Downcast is down as my internet connection is fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
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Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks Nick. Hopefully I am not the only one who feels like their head is going 
to explode over something as basic as email.
On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Just to add a few points…
> I believe that if you deleted messages in your Sent mailbox that these 
> messages would actually be deleted, and would not still be found in All Mail. 
> Although the Sent mailbox is just a label, deleting a message with the Sent 
> label would remove the Sent label, apply the Trash/Bin label and tell Google 
> to expunge it from the server in the time frame you set in the 
> settings/preferences. If, on the other hand you archive instead of delete, 
> which I do by pressing command-control-a, the Sent label would be removed and 
> the message would only live on in the All Mail folder with no custom labels. 
> With other email providers, and with gMail prior to Mavericks, archiving a 
> message in Apple Mail by pressing command-control-a would create a folder 
> (or, in gMail's case, a label) called ‘Archive’ if one did not already exist 
> and move the message to that Archive mailbox.
> JOe Kissell has written a number of Macworld and TidBits articles as well as 
> a couple of books about gMail, IMAP and Apple devices. I highly recommend 
> these to anyone who wants to learn more about how gMail actually handles your 
> email. For something which you would think should be fairly simple like 
> email, it's actually really quite complicated. Understanding it really helps 
> to manage your email effectively.
> Having said that, I still do not use gMail for all my most important email. 
> But it works well for subscriptions, account creation and email lists.
> Cheers,
> Nic
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Magic Track Pad and iTunes Gesture

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all, 

I am trying to use the track pad more, and amazingly I can’t seem to find any 
documents on the web for using the track pad and iTunes specifically. I am 
using VoiceOver and have played around with the trackpad, and know there has 
got to be more, as I can’t figure out how to use the track pad to play a song. 
On the keyboard in iTunes you just hit enter and the song plays. Would have 
thought there was a simple track pad command to play a song, but haven’t 
figured it out. Does anyone have a list of trackpad commands with iTunes? Thanks

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Re: Magic Track Pad and iTunes Gesture

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Jessica, That is what I would have thought, but with the Magic Track Pad 
for the iMac tapping twice on the track pad does not play a song, does nothing.
On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> with trackpad commander on, it's as simple as a single finger double tap.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all, 
>> 
>> I am trying to use the track pad more, and amazingly I can’t seem to find 
>> any documents on the web for using the track pad and iTunes specifically. I 
>> am using VoiceOver and have played around with the trackpad, and know there 
>> has got to be more, as I can’t figure out how to use the track pad to play a 
>> song. On the keyboard in iTunes you just hit enter and the song plays. Would 
>> have thought there was a simple track pad command to play a song, but 
>> haven’t figured it out. Does anyone have a list of trackpad commands with 
>> iTunes? Thanks
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Re: Magic Track Pad and iTunes Gesture

[Brian Fischler]

Seriously. You have to do all that just to get a song to play? If that is the 
case, I guess I will just stick with the keyboard. Would have thought it was as 
simple as double tapping with one finger, as track pad claims doing so performs 
the default action, so not sure why in the world that wouldn’t be playing the 
track, as single finger double tapping does absolutely nothing, not sure if 
there is a setting I need to change.
On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Daniel Hawkins  
wrote:

> You will have to doubletap, then interact, then flick right untill you see 
> play, then doubletap
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
> 
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> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
> 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Jessica, That is what I would have thought, but with the Magic Track Pad 
>> for the iMac tapping twice on the track pad does not play a song, does 
>> nothing.
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> with trackpad commander on, it's as simple as a single finger double tap.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all, 
>>>> 
>>>> I am trying to use the track pad more, and amazingly I can’t seem to find 
>>>> any documents on the web for using the track pad and iTunes specifically. 
>>>> I am using VoiceOver and have played around with the trackpad, and know 
>>>> there has got to be more, as I can’t figure out how to use the track pad 
>>>> to play a song. On the keyboard in iTunes you just hit enter and the song 
>>>> plays. Would have thought there was a simple track pad command to play a 
>>>> song, but haven’t figured it out. Does anyone have a list of trackpad 
>>>> commands with iTunes? Thanks
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Re: Magic Track Pad and iTunes Gesture

[Brian Fischler]

Where is that setting, as I just checked Trackpad commander settings and went 
to Track Pad settings and don’t see anything unchecked that should be checked. 
Thanks
On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> I have my track pad set to automatically interact with things. Maybe that 
> would help.
> On 23/01/2014, at 7:28 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Seriously. You have to do all that just to get a song to play? If that is 
>> the case, I guess I will just stick with the keyboard. Would have thought it 
>> was as simple as double tapping with one finger, as track pad claims doing 
>> so performs the default action, so not sure why in the world that wouldn’t 
>> be playing the track, as single finger double tapping does absolutely 
>> nothing, not sure if there is a setting I need to change.
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You will have to doubletap, then interact, then flick right untill you see 
>>> play, then doubletap
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>> 4GB DDR3
>>> 500GB HDD
>>> 
>>> Dual Boot:
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Jessica, That is what I would have thought, but with the Magic Track 
>>>> Pad for the iMac tapping twice on the track pad does not play a song, does 
>>>> nothing.
>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> with trackpad commander on, it's as simple as a single finger double tap.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Brian Fischler  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey all, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am trying to use the track pad more, and amazingly I can’t seem to 
>>>>>> find any documents on the web for using the track pad and iTunes 
>>>>>> specifically. I am using VoiceOver and have played around with the 
>>>>>> trackpad, and know there has got to be more, as I can’t figure out how 
>>>>>> to use the track pad to play a song. On the keyboard in iTunes you just 
>>>>>> hit enter and the song plays. Would have thought there was a simple 
>>>>>> track pad command to play a song, but haven’t figured it out. Does 
>>>>>> anyone have a list of trackpad commands with iTunes? Thanks
>>>>>> 
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Anyone else have a problem with the contextual menu

[Brian Fischler]

I am having a strange issue with the contextual menu in iTunes and wanted to 
see if anyone else has had this happen and if so figured a work around. When I 
open the contextual menu focus jumps to a submenu and I cannot choose anything 
else. For example, I am trying to add a song to a playlist but when I open the 
contextual menu the menu jumps to star rating and the submenu and I cannot get 
out of it. This has now happened two days in a row and quitting iTunes and 
cycling VO off and on doesn’t fix it. The submenu just started working again 
after several hours. Any ideas? Thanks,

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Re: Magic Track Pad and iTunes Gesture

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Lisette, not a problem as I assumed that was what you were talking about, 
and I do have that checked.
On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Sorry Brian, , made a mistake. I should have set that I automatically have 
> track pad select items I touch. My mistake.
> 
> Lisette
> 
> On 23/01/2014, at 8:01 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Where is that setting, as I just checked Trackpad commander settings and 
>> went to Track Pad settings and don’t see anything unchecked that should be 
>> checked. Thanks
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have my track pad set to automatically interact with things. Maybe that 
>>> would help.
>>> On 23/01/2014, at 7:28 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Seriously. You have to do all that just to get a song to play? If that is 
>>>> the case, I guess I will just stick with the keyboard. Would have thought 
>>>> it was as simple as double tapping with one finger, as track pad claims 
>>>> doing so performs the default action, so not sure why in the world that 
>>>> wouldn’t be playing the track, as single finger double tapping does 
>>>> absolutely nothing, not sure if there is a setting I need to change.
>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Daniel Hawkins 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You will have to doubletap, then interact, then flick right untill you 
>>>>> see play, then doubletap
>>>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>>>> 4GB DDR3
>>>>> 500GB HDD
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dual Boot:
>>>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Jessica, That is what I would have thought, but with the Magic Track 
>>>>>> Pad for the iMac tapping twice on the track pad does not play a song, 
>>>>>> does nothing.
>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> with trackpad commander on, it's as simple as a single finger double 
>>>>>>> tap.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Brian Fischler  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hey all, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am trying to use the track pad more, and amazingly I can’t seem to 
>>>>>>>> find any documents on the web for using the track pad and iTunes 
>>>>>>>> specifically. I am using VoiceOver and have played around with the 
>>>>>>>> trackpad, and know there has got to be more, as I can’t figure out how 
>>>>>>>> to use the track pad to play a song. On the keyboard in iTunes you 
>>>>>>>> just hit enter and the song plays. Would have thought there was a 
>>>>>>>> simple track pad command to play a song, but haven’t figured it out. 
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a list of trackpad commands with iTunes? Thanks
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: Anyone else have a problem with the contextual menu

[Brian Fischler]

Ok this problem is really strange as I am only having the issue with the 
contextual menu in iTunes, in mail the contextual menu works fine. Very 
bizarre, as I can't choose anything in the contextual menu in iTunes, and it 
worked fine this morning.
On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> I am having a strange issue with the contextual menu in iTunes and wanted to 
> see if anyone else has had this happen and if so figured a work around. When 
> I open the contextual menu focus jumps to a submenu and I cannot choose 
> anything else. For example, I am trying to add a song to a playlist but when 
> I open the contextual menu the menu jumps to star rating and the submenu and 
> I cannot get out of it. This has now happened two days in a row and quitting 
> iTunes and cycling V

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Re: Free accessable rss reader on the Mac.

[Brian Fischler]

Ok just installed Vienna, but as soon as I go to the preferences in Vienna and 
VO space bar on the sync tab focus still stays on the general tab, and won’t 
change to the sync tab, so it looks like the only preferences you can change in 
Vienna with VO are the general ones. Please let me know if I am wrong about 
this, and how you select the sync tab in preferences. Thanks
On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Geoff Stephens  wrote:

> Vienna is not a paid app and it is perfectly accessible.
> 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:21 AM, isaac  wrote:
> 
> I checked arround applevis and the rss news readers including read kit are 
> payed apps.
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
> wrote:
> 
>> hello Listers,
>> 
>> I have NewsIsy on my iPhone and I’m am using Feedly. However, I want to use 
>> the Mac to also read up my RSS feeds. So does anyone know any free 
>> accessable RSS readers on the Mac? I know CueFeed is accessable but last I 
>> checked it costs $30.
>> 
>> Also, on Safari, there is a button, “add to reading list” does anyone know 
>> what that does? That is not the same as a Rss reader?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Daniel Hawkins
>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>> 
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Re: Free accessable rss reader on the Mac.

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks Jeff, after a few tries I got VO shift space to select sync, 
unfortunately it doesn't look like Vienna offers Feedly sync, I tried pasting 
the Feedly website in to other for sync but couldn't get it to work, will just 
have continue to play with it when I can. The design of the app does seem 
pretty good though as I played around with the preloaded feeds.
On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Geoff Stephens  wrote:

> Press VO Shift Space on the desired preference tab to select it with cursor 
> tracking enabled.
> 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Ok just installed Vienna, but as soon as I go to the preferences in Vienna 
> and VO space bar on the sync tab focus still stays on the general tab, and 
> won't change to the sync tab, so it looks like the only preferences you can 
> change in Vienna with VO are the general ones. Please let me know if I am 
> wrong about this, and how you select the sync tab in preferences. Thanks
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Geoff Stephens  wrote:
> 
>> Vienna is not a paid app and it is perfectly accessible.
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:21 AM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>> I checked arround applevis and the rss news readers including read kit are 
>> payed apps.
>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Daniel Hawkins  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> hello Listers,
>>> 
>>> I have NewsIsy on my iPhone and I'm am using Feedly. However, I want to use 
>>> the Mac to also read up my RSS feeds. So does anyone know any free 
>>> accessable RSS readers on the Mac? I know CueFeed is accessable but last I 
>>> checked it costs $30.
>>> 
>>> Also, on Safari, there is a button, "add to reading list" does anyone know 
>>> what that does? That is not the same as a Rss reader?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
>>> 2.3 Quad-core i7
>>> 4GB DDR3
>>> 500GB HDD
>>> 
>>> Dual Boot:
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else have a problem with the contextual menu

[Brian Fischler]

ok thanks will try that the next time it happens. Don't recall if I tried that 
as I tried so many things. It was strange as the contextual menus worked 
everywhere except iTunes. 
On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:26 AM, Vic  wrote:

> Hey Brian.
> Any time I have problems with context menus or, generally, when VO cursor 
> misbehaves, I go to the list of windows and make sure there is no system 
> alert stuck in there. Press VO+F2 twice to get to the list.
> I think it's a long-standing problem with Mac OS and VOiceOver.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:04:01 PM UTC-8, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Ok this problem is really strange as I am only having the issue with the 
> contextual menu in iTunes, in mail the contextual menu works fine. Very 
> bizarre, as I can't choose anything in the contextual menu in iTunes, and it 
> worked fine this morning. 
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote: 
> 
> > I am having a strange issue with the contextual menu in iTunes and wanted 
> > to see if anyone else has had this happen and if so figured a work around. 
> > When I open the contextual menu focus jumps to a submenu and I cannot 
> > choose anything else. For example, I am trying to add a song to a playlist 
> > but when I open the contextual menu the menu jumps to star rating and the 
> > submenu and I cannot get out of it. This has now happened two days in a row 
> > and quitting iTunes and cycling V 
> 
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Unreal VoiceOver very choppy again

[Brian Fischler]

This is starting to get unbelievably frustrating as when I get to work I expect 
to work and not deal with hours of hours of VoiceOver problems. I just did a 
system repair and all was working fine for two days and now VoiceOver is back 
to being unbelievably choppy when reading anything. Multiple voices are choppy 
and it is not just one program where the choppiness occurs. I can't read an 
email all the way through without having to use VO and the arrows for all the 
words I can't understand or VO skips. Any ideas? According to Apple customer 
support and yeah VO just crapped out as I typed the word support I have enough 
RAM for what I am doing, and they are clueless to what the issue can be. Thanks.

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Re: Unreal VoiceOver very choppy again

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Ray,

Yeah been trying to do everything except that, but might have to try and do 
that this weekend, as this is just getting ridiculous. My concern would be if I 
take the time and effort to do that and still have these issues I might blow a 
gasket. Amazingly, the choppiness hasn’t occurred during this email writing so 
maybe there is a process running when I first wake up my  computer some 
mornings that I am not aware of that is causing the issue.
On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Sounds like you might want to do an OS reinstall.  Back your drives then do 
> the install fresh after hard formatting the principal drive your OS was on.  
> A bit dramatic, takes about two and a half hours, but, well worth the effort.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Jan 24, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> This is starting to get unbelievably frustrating as when I get to work I 
>> expect to work and not deal with hours of hours of VoiceOver problems. I 
>> just did a system repair and all was working fine for two days and now 
>> VoiceOver is back to being unbelievably choppy when reading anything. 
>> Multiple voices are choppy and it is not just one program where the 
>> choppiness occurs. I can't read an email all the way through without having 
>> to use VO and the arrows for all the words I can't understand or VO skips. 
>> Any ideas? According to Apple customer support and yeah VO just crapped out 
>> as I typed the word support I have enough RAM for what I am doing, and they 
>> are clueless to what the issue can be. Thanks.
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Re: Unreal VoiceOver very choppy again

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Alex, Glad someone else sees it my way. Amazingly, the choppiness has gone 
away again. I just want to find out what is causing it, as it drives me bonkers 
having voiceover have a speech impediment, and and stutter. Of course if I do 
do a full reinstall at least I could probably get Downcast and Read Kit to 
possibly work again, neither of those apps will launch on my current machine, 
very strange.
On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> But I don't want to! :) I know it would be the best thing, but I'm not 
> looking forward to re-installing and reconfiguring *everything* on the Mac. 
> At least the process has Windows beat - I can grab most of my apps from the 
> App Store, put my services back quite easily, and copy the vast majority of 
> my data from my constantly-updated Time machine backup. Still, what a pain, 
> and all because Mavericks decided to not install correctly. Like Brian, I 
> just have a horrible feeling that I'll do all this work and nothing will 
> change. It can't be because I have aftermarket RAM, can it? The ram worked 
> just fine in 10.8, and I haven't had any sudden crashes that might indicate 
> ram problems.
> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Well, I have found that a fresh clean install is usually the way to go after 
>> about a year or so.  May want to do it myself before April or so.  I believe 
>> a clean install might be the ticket for you.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Ray,
>>> 
>>> Yeah been trying to do everything except that, but might have to try and do 
>>> that this weekend, as this is just getting ridiculous. My concern would be 
>>> if I take the time and effort to do that and still have these issues I 
>>> might blow a gasket. Amazingly, the choppiness hasn't occurred during this 
>>> email writing so maybe there is a process running when I first wake up my  
>>> computer some mornings that I am not aware of that is causing the issue.
>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sounds like you might want to do an OS reinstall.  Back your drives then 
>>>> do the install fresh after hard formatting the principal drive your OS was 
>>>> on.  A bit dramatic, takes about two and a half hours, but, well worth the 
>>>> effort.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in!
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This is starting to get unbelievably frustrating as when I get to work I 
>>>>> expect to work and not deal with hours of hours of VoiceOver problems. I 
>>>>> just did a system repair and all was working fine for two days and now 
>>>>> VoiceOver is back to being unbelievably choppy when reading anything. 
>>>>> Multiple voices are choppy and it is not just one program where the 
>>>>> choppiness occurs. I can't read an email all the way through without 
>>>>> having to use VO and the arrows for all the words I can't understand or 
>>>>> VO skips. Any ideas? According to Apple customer support and yeah VO just 
>>>>> crapped out as I typed the word support I have enough RAM for what I am 
>>>>> doing, and they are clueless to what the issue can be. Thanks.
>>>>> 
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Re: Unreal VoiceOver very choppy again

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Alex,

Yeah VO worked for two hours without the choppiness but now is back to being 
ridiculously choppy it is so bad that when you type an email it tells you are 
word is spelled wrong mid word because VO gets caught or something. Very 
disappointed with Mavericks and VO. I am a Apple loyalist but I am definitely 
very disappointed with Apple and the lack of quality in this release.
On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Brian, just so you know, you're not alone. While I can usually read things 
> fine, VO has also returned to the occasional choppy, broken speech I have 
> been dealing with ever since Mavericks. Apps are also still slow to load, and 
> more and more often, emails take longer and longer to open. My sister just 
> installed Mavericks and loves how "it's so much faster than Mountain Lion!" 
> Well, she's lucky, because 10.9 was a step backward for me, and apparently 
> you as well. Let us know if the reinstall helps, as that is looking like my 
> only option as well, as much as I hate to say it.
> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Sounds like you might want to do an OS reinstall.  Back your drives then do 
>> the install fresh after hard formatting the principal drive your OS was on.  
>> A bit dramatic, takes about two and a half hours, but, well worth the effort.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> This is starting to get unbelievably frustrating as when I get to work I 
>>> expect to work and not deal with hours of hours of VoiceOver problems. I 
>>> just did a system repair and all was working fine for two days and now 
>>> VoiceOver is back to being unbelievably choppy when reading anything. 
>>> Multiple voices are choppy and it is not just one program where the 
>>> choppiness occurs. I can't read an email all the way through without having 
>>> to use VO and the arrows for all the words I can't understand or VO skips. 
>>> Any ideas? According to Apple customer support and yeah VO just crapped out 
>>> as I typed the word support I have enough RAM for what I am doing, and they 
>>> are clueless to what the issue can be. Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Unreal VoiceOver very choppy again

[Brian Fischler]

Tim the Apple customer service guy agreed with you as he told me that a clean 
install is the very very last thing he would do. Go figure VO is back to 
working again, very bizarre behavior.
On Jan 24, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> There are a few processes that happen when a machine is first turned on that, 
> for non VO users, just wouldn’t be noticed.  For example, if you shutdown or 
> put your computer to sleep overnight, there is a nightly HD “tune-up” that 
> the OS will perform once the machine is awakened ready to go.  Depending on 
> the amount of RAM, the speed of your HD and the power of your processor, this 
> could affect performance and would be more noticed by a VO user just because 
> your computer is using extra processing power to provide speech.  Years ago, 
> you had to run these processes manually if your computer was asleep or 
> shutdown during the scheduled time, but these now occur upon startup or 
> awakening.  Also, you may notice that the Login screen comes up very quickly, 
> and if you have a noisy HD, you’ll note that things are still happening even 
> though it’s ready to accept the login credentials.  This will be accentuated 
> even more if the battery in your computer actually died and therefore shut 
> itself down on its own.  So, the closer you are to minimum requirements, the 
> more likely background tasks will affect foreground activity.
> 
> On another note, while a clean install has its advantages, I’d just like to 
> say that in many cases, this is an unnecessary task.  If you’re bringing 
> everything back onto your machine that you had on it in the first place, 
> you’re likely, sooner or later, going to have similar issues.  Unless you 
> slowly put each app back on one by one, test the machine and see how things 
> are going, you’re going to have difficulty determining the culprit.  I can’t 
> recall the last time I did a clean install on this MBP.  It came with Lion, 
> and I migrated my previous Snow Leopard machine over to it using Migration 
> Assistant, upgraded to Mountain Lion and to Mavericks and haven’t seen the 
> need to do a clean install yet.  I realize that there are situations when a 
> clean install is merited, I’m simply suggesting that it does not need to 
> happen so commonly.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Alex, Glad someone else sees it my way. Amazingly, the choppiness has 
>> gone away again. I just want to find out what is causing it, as it drives me 
>> bonkers having voiceover have a speech impediment, and and stutter. Of 
>> course if I do do a full reinstall at least I could probably get Downcast 
>> and Read Kit to possibly work again, neither of those apps will launch on my 
>> current machine, very strange.
>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> But I don't want to! :) I know it would be the best thing, but I'm not 
>>> looking forward to re-installing and reconfiguring *everything* on the Mac. 
>>> At least the process has Windows beat - I can grab most of my apps from the 
>>> App Store, put my services back quite easily, and copy the vast majority of 
>>> my data from my constantly-updated Time machine backup. Still, what a pain, 
>>> and all because Mavericks decided to not install correctly. Like Brian, I 
>>> just have a horrible feeling that I'll do all this work and nothing will 
>>> change. It can't be because I have aftermarket RAM, can it? The ram worked 
>>> just fine in 10.8, and I haven't had any sudden crashes that might indicate 
>>> ram problems.
>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, I have found that a fresh clean install is usually the way to go 
>>>> after about a year or so.  May want to do it myself before April or so.  I 
>>>> believe a clean install might be the ticket for you.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in!
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Ray,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah been trying to do everything except that, but might have to try and 
>>>>> do that this weekend, as this is just getting ridiculous. My concern 
>>>>> would be if I take the time and effort to do that and still have these 
>>>>> 

Re: Unreal VoiceOver very choppy again

[Brian Fischler]

; Cheryl
>>> 
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>> thrown in the trash!
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind,
>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>> never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Alex,
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah VO worked for two hours without the choppiness but now is back to 
>>>> being ridiculously choppy it is so bad that when you type an email it 
>>>> tells you are word is spelled wrong mid word because VO gets caught or 
>>>> something. Very disappointed with Mavericks and VO. I am a Apple loyalist 
>>>> but I am definitely very disappointed with Apple and the lack of quality 
>>>> in this release.
>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Brian, just so you know, you're not alone. While I can usually read 
>>>>> things fine, VO has also returned to the occasional choppy, broken speech 
>>>>> I have been dealing with ever since Mavericks. Apps are also still slow 
>>>>> to load, and more and more often, emails take longer and longer to open. 
>>>>> My sister just installed Mavericks and loves how "it's so much faster 
>>>>> than Mountain Lion!" Well, she's lucky, because 10.9 was a step backward 
>>>>> for me, and apparently you as well. Let us know if the reinstall helps, 
>>>>> as that is looking like my only option as well, as much as I hate to say 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sounds like you might want to do an OS reinstall.  Back your drives then 
>>>>>> do the install fresh after hard formatting the principal drive your OS 
>>>>>> was on.  A bit dramatic, takes about two and a half hours, but, well 
>>>>>> worth the effort.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>>> blind built-in!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is starting to get unbelievably frustrating as when I get to work 
>>>>>>> I expect to work and not deal with hours of hours of VoiceOver 
>>>>>>> problems. I just did a system repair and all was working fine for two 
>>>>>>> days and now VoiceOver is back to being unbelievably choppy when 
>>>>>>> reading anything. Multiple voices are choppy and it is not just one 
>>>>>>> program where the choppiness occurs. I can't read an email all the way 
>>>>>>> through without having to use VO and the arrows for all the words I 
>>>>>>> can't understand or VO skips. Any ideas? According to Apple customer 
>>>>>>> support and yeah VO just crapped out as I typed the word support I have 
>>>>>>> enough RAM for what I am doing, and they are clueless to what the issue 
>>>>>>> can be. Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
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Home Phone with bluetooth that speaks to you

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Sorry for the off topic post, but this is the only place I thought I might be 
able to get an answer. I need to get a new home, and just discovered that a lot 
of home phones can now also connect to your iPhone via bluetooth. I also want 
the talking caller ID announce feature that my old home phone currently has, 
and finally figured I would email the list to see if anyone has a 
corded/cordless home phone system where you might be able to access all the 
menus with some kind of VoiceOver similar to the iPhone, not even sure if 
something like this with all the features I want is even made. I found a 
corded/cordless phone system with bluetooth and talking caller ID and am 
posting the link here, but doubt I will be able to access all of the phones 
features, and just wanted to see if anyone knew of such a thing, if so please 
share the brand and model with us. Thanks, 
http://www.amazon.com/D3588-2-Expandable-Cordless-Answering-Bluetooth/dp/B007B5THNS

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Re: logitech bluetooth keyboard that works with three devices?

[Brian Fischler]

Ray, yes the Logictech 7600 is very worth the money especially if you want to 
constantly toggle between multiple devices with the same keyboard, it’s 
fantastic.
On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Must look this up.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> You can pear it with all three…You select which device by selecting [f1], 
>> [f2] or [f3].  David Woodbridge did a podcast on this keyboard.  I think his 
>> podcast is called Apple Accessibility or something like that.
>> 
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you pair that keyboard with all three devices at once, or just one at a 
>>> time?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
 Just got this keyboard for Christmas:
 
 Logitech Solar K760 Bluetooth keyboard
 
 Jeff
 
 On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:
 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I understand that there is a logitech keyboard that can be paired with 
> three devices, so say an iPhone, Mac, and Apple TV.  Does anybody know 
> what the name of this keyboard is?  
> Thanks
> Justin
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Saving a Pages Document as a Word Document

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Not sure where they moved how to do this as there used to be check box to do 
this in Mountain Lion. Doesn’t anyone know where they moved this to? Not sure 
why it wouldn’t be in the save as window somewhere. Not sure why they have to 
hide stuff like this, really frustrating. Thanks

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Re: clean install: erase whole drive or just Mac partition?

[Brian Fischler]

Can’t wait to hear if a clean install fixes your issues Alex. Please let us 
know, as these mail problems have gotten so annoying. Do you use gmail in mac 
mail, as I know that is the problem. Although today I am having a lot of 
problems with choppiness in Pages. Ended up getting so annoyed I just powered 
down everything with the power button and of course now I am getting a ton of 
busy messages in every application.
On Jan 26, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Okay, thanks. Oddly, erasing it seemed to take not even a second but the OSX 
> installer reports 498.8 gb free, so I guess it must have worked. Have I 
> mentioned how great it is that this whole process is fully accessible? I 
> needed sighted help to boot into my thumb drive with Mavericks on it, but 
> even then I guess I could have used the Startup Disk setting. Go Apple!
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 15:25, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> I’d erase the Mac partition.  ONce tried to erase the whole drive and it 
>> didn’t like that.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm doing the clean install. When I go to erase my main drive, I have the 
>>> option of erasing the whole drive, at 500.11 gb or just the Macintosh HD 
>>> partition, at 499 gb. Which do I do, or does it not matter? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Saving a Pages Document as a Word Document

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks Matt, I guess that will be another thing I hate about Mavericks. Thanks 
Apple for making more work for me instead of simply checking a check box.
On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> Hi Brian.
> You have to go to export as, and chose word. Its silly, but that’s how its 
> done now.
> HTH.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
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> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Not sure where they moved how to do this as there used to be check box to do 
>> this in Mountain Lion. Doesn’t anyone know where they moved this to? Not 
>> sure why it wouldn’t be in the save as window somewhere. Not sure why they 
>> have to hide stuff like this, really frustrating. Thanks
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Re: Saving a Pages Document as a Word Document

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Matt,

Ok, I found export and to microsoft word, and I move VO and space on it and 
nothing happens. What else am I supposed to do as I have to send my pages 
documents as word documents to people. This really sucks. What genius at Apple 
thought this was better than a checkbox.
On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> Hi Brian.
> You have to go to export as, and chose word. Its silly, but that’s how its 
> done now.
> HTH.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
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> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Not sure where they moved how to do this as there used to be check box to do 
>> this in Mountain Lion. Doesn’t anyone know where they moved this to? Not 
>> sure why it wouldn’t be in the save as window somewhere. Not sure why they 
>> have to hide stuff like this, really frustrating. Thanks
>> 
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Re: clean install: erase whole drive or just Mac partition?

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Alex,

Good to hear, no more empty scroll area when you open a message, lucky you. I 
might have to try a clean install next weekend when I get some time. When 
Mavericks works it is pretty good but when it doesn't it is bloody awful and a 
nightmare to deal with
On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I'll keep you informed. What I can say so far is that mail messages open 
> immediately, like they used to, no more hearing the sender's name, five 
> clicks, then silence until the text finally decides to show up. Of course, 
> this is early days, but I'll keep an eye (well, an ear, I guess) on things 
> and let you know if any problems come back. Fingers crossed that they don't!
> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Can't wait to hear if a clean install fixes your issues Alex. Please let us 
>> know, as these mail problems have gotten so annoying. Do you use gmail in 
>> mac mail, as I know that is the problem. Although today I am having a lot of 
>> problems with choppiness in Pages. Ended up getting so annoyed I just 
>> powered down everything with the power button and of course now I am getting 
>> a ton of busy messages in every application.
>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, thanks. Oddly, erasing it seemed to take not even a second but the 
>>> OSX installer reports 498.8 gb free, so I guess it must have worked. Have I 
>>> mentioned how great it is that this whole process is fully accessible? I 
>>> needed sighted help to boot into my thumb drive with Mavericks on it, but 
>>> even then I guess I could have used the Startup Disk setting. Go Apple!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 15:25, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'd erase the Mac partition.  ONce tried to erase the whole drive and it 
>>>> didn't like that.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>> built-in!
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I'm doing the clean install. When I go to erase my main drive, I have the 
>>>>> option of erasing the whole drive, at 500.11 gb or just the Macintosh HD 
>>>>> partition, at 499 gb. Which do I do, or does it not matter? Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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