Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks
I have no idea why. They are even zipping 56 kb files. And I can't email anything out from Pages or Numbers without exporting to another format first. And like so many other things, Apple Support blames the email, not the Apple files. On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:35:52 AM UTC-5, Jessica D wrote: > > it is just one file. > why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this as > an issue before. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch > > wrote: > > > > If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the > file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB and > under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet > standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that doesn't > mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also adds > about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take about 4MB > of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook and some > other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments but I was > unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a folder. Are > you attaching the actual file or a folder of files? > > > > CB > > > >> On 1/21/14 5:27 PM, Jessica D wrote: > >> i have no clue, how would i find out? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Chris Blouch > > wrote: > >>> > >>> How big are the files you are trying to send? Maybe something is > trying to 'help' you along the way by zipping the files. > >>> > >>> CB > >>> > On 1/21/14 5:04 PM, Jess wrote: > Hello, > I am having extreme difficulty sending word and/or excel files to > people who have older versions of windows. It sends them as .zip files > instead of .xls, csv, or .doc. why could this be? > Jessica > I walk by faith, not by sight. > 2 Corinthians 5: 7 > >>> -- > >>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > >>> To post to this group, send email to > >>> macvisi...@googlegroups.com. > > >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > -- > > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > > To post to this group, send email to > > macvisi...@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks
I have links to several lists. Can't figure out where to use what commands though. http://www.applevis.com/guides/accessories/getting-started-your-mac-using-voiceover http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-keyboard-shortcuts-mac-os-x http://www.applevis.com/guides/accessories/getting-started-your-mac-using-voiceover http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1131.html http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.9/English.lproj/_1205.html On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:04:13 PM UTC-5, Rich wrote: > > Hello: > Is there a list of keyboard commands in Mavericks available somewhere? > I know that some of them have changed. > > > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of > Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > rich...@gmail.com > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks
Okay. The one I have is from W3schools, and has both Windows and Mac. I don't have a link though, just a printed copy. On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:02:44 PM UTC-5, Rich wrote: > > That is exactly right! I know how to find VoiceOver commands, I want a > list of Mavericks keyboard commands. > > > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of > Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > rich...@gmail.com > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Shawn AKA BBS > > > wrote: > > Hi David and others. I think what Richard was asking for is keyboard > shortcuts for Mavericks in general, not just Voiceover. Richard, if I'm > mistaken, please correct me. > > -- > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks
Perhaps. However, it did it on a single 56 kb Pages document as well. Also, if you save Pages to a disk, and try to open them on another computer, instead of a page, you get a unopenable folder and unopenable document with the same name. On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:49:40 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > Usually Mail only zips things when you attempt to send a folder of items > instead of the individual items. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:56 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > I have no idea why. They are even zipping 56 kb files. And I can't email > anything out from Pages or Numbers without exporting to another format > first. And like so many other things, Apple Support blames the email, not > the Apple files. > > On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:35:52 AM UTC-5, Jessica D wrote: >> >> it is just one file. >> why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this >> as an issue before. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> > >> > If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the >> file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB and >> under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet >> standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that doesn't >> mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also adds >> about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take about 4MB >> of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook and some >> other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments but I was >> unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a folder. Are >> you attaching the actual file or a folder of files? >> > >> > CB >> > >> >> On 1/21/14 5:27 PM, Jessica D wrote: >> >> i have no clue, how would i find out? >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >>> >> >>> How big are the files you are trying to send? Maybe something is >> trying to 'help' you along the way by zipping the files. >> >>> >> >>> CB >> >>> >> >>>> On 1/21/14 5:04 PM, Jess wrote: >> >>>> Hello, >> >>>> I am having extreme difficulty sending word and/or excel files to >> people who have older versions of windows. It sends them as .zip files >> instead of .xls, csv, or .doc. why could this be? >> >>>> Jessica >> >>>> I walk by faith, not by sight. >> >>>> 2 Corinthians 5: 7 >> >>> -- >> >>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > >> > -- >> > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks
Hi Tim, The smallest item was my notes on trying to figure out how to use VoiceOver. Well, they all were. Though some were copy and paste from Internet sites. I typed it into the document. Looked up the keyboard command for "Save As". Saved it. Attached it to an email. It would not send from any gmail, or my AOL account. Spent an hour one morning trying to figure it out with another tech savy friend. The error codes didn't help us, as it was saved \n hidden way as a zip file, and not visibly as a file gmail or AOL will not send. On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:51:54 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > Could you please give me an idea of the process you’re using to accomplish > the save or attach? I often save Pages documents and open them on other > computers. and have eMailed the same without this happening to me. I’m > interested in determining why this is occurring for you. > > Later… > I’ve not experience the issue you’re > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:03 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Perhaps. However, it did it on a single 56 kb Pages document as well. > Also, if you save Pages to a disk, and try to open them on another > computer, instead of a page, you get a unopenable folder and unopenable > document with the same name. > > On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:49:40 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Usually Mail only zips things when you attempt to send a folder of items >> instead of the individual items. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:56 AM, April Brown wrote: >> >> I have no idea why. They are even zipping 56 kb files. And I can't >> email anything out from Pages or Numbers without exporting to another >> format first. And like so many other things, Apple Support blames the >> email, not the Apple files. >> >> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:35:52 AM UTC-5, Jessica D wrote: >>> >>> it is just one file. >>> why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this >>> as an issue before. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> > >>> > If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on >>> the file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB >>> and under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet >>> standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that doesn't >>> mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also adds >>> about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take about 4MB >>> of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook and some >>> other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments but I was >>> unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a folder. Are >>> you attaching the actual file or a folder of files? >>> > >>> > CB >>> > >>> >> On 1/21/14 5:27 PM, Jessica D wrote: >>> >> i have no clue, how would i find out? >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> How big are the files you are trying to send? Maybe something is >>> trying to 'help' you along the way by zipping the files. >>> >>> >>> >>> CB >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 1/21/14 5:04 PM, Jess wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>> >>>> I am having extreme difficulty sending word and/or excel files to >>> people who have older versions of windows. It sends them as .zip files >>> instead of .xls, csv, or .doc. why could this be? >>> >>>> Jessica >>> >>>> I walk by faith, not by sight. >>> >>>> 2 Corinthians 5: 7 >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@google
Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks
It doesn't work here. It claims to be a potential security issue. I have screenshots saved. No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the message board. Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a different version of Pages. And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it. Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails converted to text, and a step by step VoiceOver guide created, so I can use VoiceOver. On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just > fine. I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail > account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a > Pages document which opened properly. It should be no different for any > regular documents. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch > > wrote: > > The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for > folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a > single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc > usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing > folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying > zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you > somehow are attaching a Pages doc and not the converted Word version that > would explain it. > > CB > > On 1/22/14 6:35 AM, Jessica D wrote: > > it is just one file. > why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this as > an issue before. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch > > wrote: > > If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the > file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB and > under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet > standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that doesn't > mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also adds > about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take about 4MB > of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook and some > other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments but I was > unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a folder. Are > you attaching the actual file or a folder of files? > > CB > > On 1/21/14 5:27 PM, Jessica D wrote: > i have no clue, how would i find out? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Chris Blouch > > wrote: > > How big are the files you are trying to send? Maybe something is trying to > 'help' you along the way by zipping the files. > > CB > > On 1/21/14 5:04 PM, Jess wrote: > Hello, > I am having extreme difficulty sending word and/or excel files to people > who have older versions of windows. It sends them as .zip files instead of > .xls, csv, or .doc. why could this be? > Jessica > I walk by faith, not by sight. > 2 Corinthians 5: 7 > > -- > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com
Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks
Thanks Daniel, That's helpful to know. Hopefully they'll fix it soon. On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:59:48 AM UTC-5, Daniel Hawkins wrote: > > Hello April, > > If you made a Pages doc, and want to save it to MS Word, you will have to > export it to MS Office. Lasttime I checked the export dialouge in Pages and > Numbers was not accessable by VO with the new iWork. So what I did was open > it up in my iPhone and export there on the iCloud. > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:34 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > It doesn't work here. It claims to be a potential security issue. I have > screenshots saved. No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the > message board. > > Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a > different version of Pages. > > And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it > won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it. > > Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails > converted to text, and a step by step VoiceOver guide created, so I can > use VoiceOver. > > > > On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just >> fine. I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail >> account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a >> Pages document which opened properly. It should be no different for any >> regular documents. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for >> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a >> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc >> usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing >> folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying >> zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you >> somehow are attaching a Pages doc and not the converted Word version that >> would explain it. >> >> CB >> >> On 1/22/14 6:35 AM, Jessica D wrote: >> >> it is just one file. >> why would apple mail zip files and not tell you? i have never seen this >> as an issue before. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >> If you have the file selected you can do a command-I to get info on the >> file and the Size field will tell you how big it is. In general 10MB and >> under should go through ok with most email providers. The internet >> standards for MIME encoded attachments have no size limits but that doesn't >> mean one service provider or another doesn't impose one. MIME also adds >> about a third again of overhead so emailing a 3MB file will take about 4MB >> of space, pushing you over the 10MB limit sooner. I know Outlook and some >> other email clients have options to automatically zip attachments but I was >> unaware of Apple Mail doing this. I have heard it will zip a folder. Are >> you attaching the actual file or a folder of files? >> >> CB >> >> On 1/21/14 5:27 PM, Jessica D wrote: >> i have no clue, how would i find out? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >> How big are the files you are trying to send? Maybe something is trying >> to 'help' you along the way by zipping the files. >> >> CB >> >> On 1/21/14 5:04 PM, Jess wrote: >> Hello, >> I am having extreme difficulty sending word and/or excel files to people >> who have older versions of windows. It sends them as .zip files instead of >> .xls, csv, or .doc. why could this be? >> Jessica >> I walk by faith, not by sight. >> 2 Corinthians 5: 7 >> >> -- >> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to mac
Re: saving files in different formats and also how to move them from one location to another under mavericks
I realize I wouldn't be able to open it on my Windows machine without changing it. Thanks for easy to follow directions. However, I still couldn't email Pages document to my husband's Mac, same age as mine, under a month old. In fact, the email wouldn't send because it thought the document was a suspicious file. Maybe some setting is set wrong. I don't know. I just know Pages and Numbers documents cannot be attached to email on either of our Macs. On Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:04:42 AM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi April, > > First thing to note is that your Windows machine will not be able to open > a .Pages document unless you have first made it into a different format > readable by whatever application you have on your Windows machine. > Similarly, if you don’t have the Pages app on a different Mac, then you > won’t be able to open that document on the other Mac either. On the Mac, > you can set Pages to automatically open MSWord documents but the opposite > isn’t true on Windows, MSWord will not open a Pages document at all. So, > for example, if you have MSWord on your Windows machine, then you’ll need > to export your Pages document into Word format. To accomplish this: > > 1. Open your Pages document on your Mac. > 2. VO-m to access the menubar. > 3. VO-right to the File menu. > 4. VO-down to the Export item, which includes a sub-menu. > 5. VO-right to activate the sub-menu. > 6. VO-down to the Word option. > 7. Press return twice. > > The first return brings up the Export menu in case you wish to change your > mind on the format and the second return will bring you to the saving > dialog. The Export dialog has a few Unknowns in it but if you Interact > with them, you will see what they pertain to, although you simply need to > press return the second time if you chose the correct format from the > sub-menu. You will note that the filename will be the same as what you’ve > named it in Pages but will have a .DOCX as the extension. > > 8. Choose your destination from within the Save dialog and a Word > document will be created. > > This Word document can be eMailed or copied to other media and put into a > different computer that has the Word application. To eMail it, do the > following: > > 1. Open a new message in Mail. > 2. Adress and Subject the message. > 3. Put in any text in the message area. > 4. Press cmd-shift-a to Attach a file. > 5. Locate the file from the Attach/Open dialog and press return to attach > it. > > An item will be placed into your message letting you know the name of the > newly attached file. > > 6. Send it. > > The recipient should receive your message with the attached Word file and > as long as they have Word on their machine, they should be good to go. > > HTH. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:34 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > It doesn't work here. It claims to be a potential security issue. I have > screenshots saved. No idea how to add a screen shot to a message on the > message board. > > Of course, I've not even had my computer for a month yet, so I may have a > different version of Pages. > > And when I try to open a Pages document on the old Windows computer, it > won't open, a it is a folder and a separate document beside it. > > Have to keep that, until I get all of nine months important Outlook emails > converted to text, and a step by step VoiceOver guide created, so I can > use VoiceOver. > > > > On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:19:32 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Sending Pages documents via eMail will send it as a .pages document just >> fine. I tested a few minutes ago with a Pages document from my Gmail >> account to my work account and the document came through perfectly as a >> Pages document which opened properly. It should be no different for any >> regular documents. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >> The MIME format used to encode email attachments has no structure for >> folders so to attach a folder of files many email apps will zip them into a >> single file and then send that as an attachment. That said, a Word doc >> usually is one monolithic file so unless you somehow picked the containing >> folder rather than the exported word doc the mail app shouldn't be applying >> zip to your attachment. Now a pages document actually is a folder so if you >> somehow are attaching a Pages doc and not the conver
Re: got my New Macbook Pro yesterday
Good. Have fun! On Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:24:31 AM UTC-5, Scott Berry wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Just got my Macbook Pro yesterday. I really like it a lot. Thanks to > everyone who gave me advice it’s actually coming very fast for me. Again > thanks a bunch. > > Scott Berry > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Some VoiceOver Success
I got stuck in Pages and couldn't figure out how to get to where I wanted. I eventually got there. Next tried Email, and was able to read a couple right quick. Didn't try to save any. That's for another day. Opened Calendar. Was able to have it read what I had already inputted for today. Was able to open a specific item, though didn't try to change anything, and couldn't get back out of it. Closed it in the Menu. Opened Safari. Went to CNN. Had it read the story of the blind mechanic to me. Closed it in the menu. A long, long, long way to go. Yet able to make a bit of a start. Thanks everyone! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Questions regarding Twitter
Hello. Yes, you can have Twitter lists. I had the maximum, amount of lists until I became to blind to keep up. Now, I have bookmarks, agents, science, and so on. No to the next part. When you post, it goes to everyone who follows you. As far as I know, Google Plus is the only social network that makes sharing with only one list easy. Facebook has that capability, thought it is often confusing. Twitter doe not. Twitter does have a private message system, though, like all the other networks. On Twitter, if people are following you, and you don't want them to, you can block them. Otherwise, you can't stop them from following you. It's not a reciprocal social media like Facebook is. On Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:25:11 PM UTC-5, jim portillo wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I wasn’t quite sure if this question was appropriate, but since I can use > Twitter with either a computer or an iDevice…the twitter website or twitter > app or TweetList, I figured I could get some kind of answer. > > > > I was told that one could have lists or groups on Twitter where you can > group your friends or people you’re following. First of all, is this true, > and how exactly does that work? > > > > Also, if I post a tweet, is it possibly for only a certain group or list > to see that tweet? If so, how would I go about doing this? > > > > So, if anyone has any tips or advice regarding working with Twitter and > groups, I’d love to hear from you. > > > > Oh, while I’m at this, I’ll ask one final question. There are people > following me that I don’t know. How can I remove them from the list of > folks following me, especially since I don’t know them? > > > > Thanks for any help. This would be worth while. > > > > Jim > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Mac Minis needing monitors: another thing to add to the pile
I've actually tuned my tv monitor off and just used the computer. On Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:40:55 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: > > Hi all, > I just wanted to add one more thing to the debate about Mac Minis needing > monitors. Mine, a mid-2011, still does. That is even after a complete wipe > and re-install, with the latest version of 10.9. > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex > meh...@gmail.com > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: magnification on the mac
Is there? Where? I haven't been able to find them. One on One training person told me the only option was to decrease the resolution. That was a month ago. I think menus are still stuck in 5 point font. Dock isn't bad though. April Brown Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind. On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:10 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > HI, You need to look again. The options to increase the sizes of dock and > menus are available in mountain line and up. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2014-02-05, at 1:58 PM, April wrote: > >> Not comparable. >> >> On the Mac there is no easy way to enlarge the menu or scrollbars. Icon >> text can be increased minimally. >> >> On the Mac, there seem to be two choices: >> >> 1. lower the resolution to magnify everything, or >> 2. use an on screen magnifier, and not be able to read menus without it. >> >> Many Mac programs have individual magnifiers for the text, though not the >> menu. >> >> >> On Windows, everything, including menus and scrollbars, can be magnified in >> the settings. Can't remember the name of the setting. As well as many >> programs that have individual magnifiers. >> >> Even so, I prefer the Mac, since I have to learn VoiceOver. >> >> On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 1:50:15 PM UTC-5, Anouk wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I have been a blind mac user for years now. Some friends of mine are still >> able to use magnification and some people ask me for advice because >> supernova is crashy or jfw and magic are crashy on their systems. >> Are there people that can give an account how magnification works on the >> mac and if it is comparable what you can get on a windows pc with >> screenreading software? >> Thanks in advance, >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/macvisionaries/TzX5kGwUsWw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: magnification on the mac
The zoom in the system preferences is basically a magnifying glass that you move around the screen. The motion can cause dizziness. If you mean a non included program, I don't know. I haven't bought any programs. April Brown Writing dramatic adventure novels uncovering the myths we hide behind. On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Anouk Radix wrote: > Hi april, > I have not much knowledge about this but cant Zoom do the menu bar > magnification for you? > Greetings, Anouk, > On 05 Feb 2014, at 19:58, April wrote: > >> Not comparable. >> >> On the Mac there is no easy way to enlarge the menu or scrollbars. Icon >> text can be increased minimally. >> >> On the Mac, there seem to be two choices: >> >> 1. lower the resolution to magnify everything, or >> 2. use an on screen magnifier, and not be able to read menus without it. >> >> Many Mac programs have individual magnifiers for the text, though not the >> menu. >> >> >> On Windows, everything, including menus and scrollbars, can be magnified in >> the settings. Can't remember the name of the setting. As well as many >> programs that have individual magnifiers. >> >> Even so, I prefer the Mac, since I have to learn VoiceOver. >> >> On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 1:50:15 PM UTC-5, Anouk wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I have been a blind mac user for years now. Some friends of mine are still >> able to use magnification and some people ask me for advice because >> supernova is crashy or jfw and magic are crashy on their systems. >> Are there people that can give an account how magnification works on the >> mac and if it is comparable what you can get on a windows pc with >> screenreading software? >> Thanks in advance, >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/macvisionaries/TzX5kGwUsWw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
New to the the Mac, and the dictation program.
I am legally blind, and wear a hearing aid, among other health problems. In this cold my fingers are not able to use the keyboard at all. I am trying to learn the dictation program and having difficultly. I bought my new Mac mini about three weeks ago. In general, dictation works well in e-mail and social media. There are some words it cannot seem to understand no matter what and other words it gets part of time. I did contact Apple customer support chat system, as well as have had one on one training on Saturday. It seems, that my issues with dictation are unknown, and I was told I wrote too much. It also seems that the store representatives do not have much training in VoiceOver or dictation. Also the person I spoke with him a chat did not have much training in them either. I attempted to call the one 800 number. However it was playing hard rock music that hurt my ear. After six minutes I gave up and contacted the chatline. I don't comprehend spoken very well. Even though I'm going blind I still comprehend written better. Yes I'm learning braille, that's a slow process to I am also a writer. As a writer I typically write novels, and a typical 80,000 word novel might be 300 doublespaced pages. I am finding that in the Pages program, if the document is over 20 pages long, Dictation crashes and I cannot reopen even in social media. Currently, I am dictating in a smaller document, and then copying and pasting it over into the main document. I am also noticing some other odd glitches. Frequently after a comma, Dictation capitalizes the next word as if it were in a new sentence. I am also not sure how to get it to recognize some names. It never gets them right. I also have to learn VoiceOver eventually. Just looking at the training on that has overwhelmed me. How best to work with dictation in Pages, and editing it, so that I don't look like I don't know how to spell or what words mean? Most people who know me consider me rather computer savvy. However, since trying to learn how to use some of these programs, I don't feel like I have any computer knowledge. For me, reformatting a hard drive is easy. Though, before long, I will no longer be able to see to do so. All these tech terms I just can't seem to understand are confusing me. It may be possible that some of them are just different terms than what I call something. On anyone who follows writers, agents, and editors on Twitter has seen the ridicule that they happily dish out regularly on someone who makes a grammar or spelling mistake. The thing is, many days I can't see the errors that dictation makes. I can't correct them, if I can't see them. And once you've been ridiculed a few times by the industry standard people, no one will take me, or my work seriously. They commonly say, if there is a single error in your writing, any novel you write will be lazy and poorly constructed. It's a bit paralyzing. I have to learn how to use these programs so that I can continue writing and eventually be published. Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New to the the Mac, and the dictation program.
Hi Alex, Thanks for letting me know. I thought dictation was supposed to be for full dictation, instead it's a helper program which is okay. I've looked at the Applevis site some. I haven't done any of the videos or podcasts as most of those speak too fast for me to comprehend. I wouldn't try Dragon again. I think it was installed over 20 times on three different windows machines. One day when my eye hurt so bad I couldn't keep it open, I looked up and the only thing it had on the screen was a pop-up asking me if I wanted to uninstall Windows. So apparently my voice is too strange for Dragon. They also say I had to reinstall Windows several times because Dragon would crash it to the point where it wouldn't even turn on. I will keep looking though. Once I learn Braille well enough there are Braille displays that can be used. Thanks, I won't feel like I'm doing it wrong now. April On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: > > Welcome to the list. > > Dictation on the Mac is not meant to be a keyboard replacement across the > board - there is no way to teach it new words or enter alternative modes to > get it to input numbers instead of words. If dictation is your primary > means of interacting with the computer, you might want to look into paid > solutions like Dragon Naturally Speaking. Unfortunately, I have no > experience with Dragon so cannot say how well it will work with Voiceover > or Zoom. > > As for Voiceover training, it is quite a learning curve, to be sure. I'd > first go to www.applevis.com where you will find podcasts and guides on > all things Voiceover for the Mac and iOS. They also offer app entries which > discuss apps from an accessibility perspective. Most visually impaired > Apple users consider this to be an indispensable resource. > On Jan 7, 2014, at 11:05 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > I am legally blind, and wear a hearing aid, among other health problems. > In this cold my fingers are not able to use the keyboard at all. > > I am trying to learn the dictation program and having difficultly. I > bought my new Mac mini about three weeks ago. In general, dictation works > well in e-mail and social media. There are some words it cannot seem to > understand no matter what and other words it gets part of time. > > I did contact Apple customer support chat system, as well as have had one > on one training on Saturday. It seems, that my issues with dictation are > unknown, and I was told I wrote too much. It also seems that the store > representatives do not have much training in VoiceOver or dictation. Also > the person I spoke with him a chat did not have much training in them > either. I attempted to call the one 800 number. However it was playing hard > rock music that hurt my ear. After six minutes I gave up and contacted the > chatline. I don't comprehend spoken very well. Even though I'm going blind > I still comprehend written better. Yes I'm learning braille, that's a slow > process to > > I am also a writer. As a writer I typically write novels, and a typical > 80,000 word novel might be 300 doublespaced pages. I am finding that in > the Pages program, if the document is over 20 pages long, Dictation crashes > and I cannot reopen even in social media. Currently, I am dictating in a > smaller document, and then copying and pasting it over into the main > document. > > I am also noticing some other odd glitches. Frequently after a comma, > Dictation capitalizes the next word as if it were in a new sentence. I am > also not sure how to get it to recognize some names. It never gets them > right. > > I also have to learn VoiceOver eventually. Just looking at the training on > that has overwhelmed me. > > How best to work with dictation in Pages, and editing it, so that I don't > look like I don't know how to spell or what words mean? > > Most people who know me consider me rather computer savvy. However, since > trying to learn how to use some of these programs, I don't feel like I have > any computer knowledge. For me, reformatting a hard drive is easy. Though, > before long, I will no longer be able to see to do so. All these tech terms > I just can't seem to understand are confusing me. It may be possible that > some of them are just different terms than what I call something. > > On anyone who follows writers, agents, and editors on Twitter has seen the > ridicule that they happily dish out regularly on someone who makes a > grammar or spelling mistake. The thing is, many days I can't see the > errors that dictation makes. I can't correct them, if I can't see them.
Re: New to the the Mac, and the dictation program.
Hi Daniel, I understand totally. Speaking and listening are exhausting to me. Which is one reason VoiceOver will be so difficult to learn. My State Representative thinks I'd do good for call center from home.Yeah. I comprehend about 1 word out of 10 from most people. And lately sales reps on the phone have been so hyper auctioneer fast, that after telling them to slow down three times, I often have to give up. The main reason I need Dictation to work, is my fingers don't work well on the keyboard anymore. Even though I hear the letters pressed, half don't show up, or sometimes, odd letters end up in the middle of words that I know I didn't push. And yeah. My jaw hurt from spending the day trying to get Dictation to work yesterday. As for my writing, I write young adult adventure novels, with little to no romance. I also have a cookbook and a memory loss workbook. Planning to self publish soon, though waiting on a novel in a contest. Have a great day! April On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 7:31:23 PM UTC-5, Daniel Hawkins wrote: > > Welcome to the list! > > I am too am blind, pretty much went completely blind since last year. I’m > considered profoundly deaf and wear a digital hearing aid and I can hear my > Mac and iPhone thru my bluetooth device called a Phonak Compilot. So I > understand your frustration. Expecially learning Voiceover. I got my Mac > since last March and I had zero experience with Apple. Everything I learned > was thru just randomly typing the keyboard and reading help menu and from > what others said. I tried several times calling the Apple accessabilty > hotline, and they are not very knowledgeable. > > I for one do not use dictation because i don’t hear and speak that well. > And by now you probably can tell my grammar is horrible. My english was > never was good. > > I am right now am trying to type up a book and have no clue what to do. My > grammar is so bad, will need a serious editor. So I can understand about > editing using a screenreader and no braille display. Just recently I just > completed grade 1 braille, so I am going to get a braille display soon. So > hopefully I can edit better. > > I’m courious, what novels do you write? > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:30 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for letting me know. I thought dictation was supposed to be > for full dictation, instead it's a helper program which is okay. > > I've looked at the Applevis site some. I haven't done any of the > videos or podcasts as most of those speak too fast for me to comprehend. > >I wouldn't try Dragon again. I think it was installed over 20 > times on three different windows machines. One day when my eye hurt so bad > I couldn't keep it open, I looked up and the only thing it had on the > screen was a pop-up asking me if I wanted to uninstall Windows. So > apparently my voice is too strange for Dragon. They also say I had to > reinstall Windows several times because Dragon would crash it to the point > where it wouldn't even turn on. I will keep looking though. Once I learn > Braille well enough there are Braille displays that can be used. > > Thanks, I won't feel like I'm doing it wrong now. > > April > > On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: >> >> Welcome to the list. >> >> Dictation on the Mac is not meant to be a keyboard replacement across the >> board - there is no way to teach it new words or enter alternative modes to >> get it to input numbers instead of words. If dictation is your primary >> means of interacting with the computer, you might want to look into paid >> solutions like Dragon Naturally Speaking. Unfortunately, I have no >> experience with Dragon so cannot say how well it will work with Voiceover >> or Zoom. >> >> As for Voiceover training, it is quite a learning curve, to be sure. I'd >> first go to www.applevis.com where you will find podcasts and guides on >> all things Voiceover for the Mac and iOS. They also offer app entries which >> discuss apps from an accessibility perspective. Most visually impaired >> Apple users consider this to be an indispensable resource. >> On Jan 7, 2014, at 11:05 AM, April Brown wrote: >> >> I am legally blind, and wear a hearing aid, among other health problems. >> In this cold my fingers are not able to use the keyboard at all. >> >> I am trying to lea
Re: Using Dragon Experience On The PC Side
Hi Eileen, I had version 11 when it first came out. The last try - we took the computer back to the store and had them install it. (Now remember, I've reformatted hard drives, and set up many a computer). After training it the recommended nine hours. It worked about an hour. Several lost days of work. Speaking is exhausting. I think with my hearing loss, programs jut cant understand me, even if people still can. Thanks for asking, April On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:39:34 PM UTC-5, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > > Hello April, > > I would like to know which version of Dragon you were using? I have Dragon > Naturally Speaking Preferred 12.5 installed on my PC, running JAWS 15. I am > able to navigate the desktop, open programs, dictate, and edit my docs > either by using Dragon or a combination of Dragon and JAWS. I can't speak > for the Mac side because I don't have Dragon installed there. I know it can > be finicky, but like all programs you need to spend time with it. It seems > like Dragon and your PC didn't like each other and caused more problems > than it was worth. I'm hoping that there are others on this list that can > chime in on their experiences with Dragon on the Mac side. > > Cheers, > Eileen > > > Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Does Dictation have a page limit in Pages for working?
Although I my have to limit my use of Dictation to non-novels, I still need to know if Dictation has a page limit. It works well in social media, email, and Page documents under 5 pages. If the Pages document is more than twenty pages long, I only get the color wheel, and it crashes and won't reopen. It also doesn't try to add words to the document. Is there a page limit in Pages? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Does Dictation have a page limit in Pages for working?
Hi Jessica, Yes, I am using Enhanced Dictation. If I open a 100 page document, about 1/3 of novel length, it only crashes, and won't record a single word., On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:45:10 AM UTC-5, Jessica D wrote: > > I have never done a dictation that long. Are you using inhanced dictation? > If not, i recommend it or you can only dictate 30 seconds at one time. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 8, 2014, at 8:07 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Although I my have to limit my use of Dictation to non-novels, I still > need to know if Dictation has a page limit. > > It works well in social media, email, and Page documents under 5 pages. > If the Pages document is more than twenty pages long, I only get the color > wheel, and it crashes and won't reopen. It also doesn't try to add words > to the document. > > Is there a page limit in Pages? > > Thanks. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
No VoiceOver or dictation for now.
Thanks for your help! Since dictation won't do what I need it to do in Pages, I'll try to find something that will. Just not right now. I've still got to many little odd things I don't know how to do on my new computer, and it exhausts me trying to figure them out. As for VoiceOver, I tried to run training program three times over the last few weeks, and couldn't get it to do what it was supposed to do within the program. I printed off a many page document from AppleVis a few days ago, and tried that yesterday. Extremely frustrating. I was able to get it to work in Pages about as well as the regular reading program. As for on the Internet, not at all. It read the tabs and nothing on the pages. I'm setting it aside for now. Everyone usually comes to me for computer tech advice, reformatting, and more. When I read the comments and questions on this, and other blind computer sites, I feel like I'm reading a combination of Greek and Chinese. I'm totally lost. I'd rather spend the next couple of weeks doing what I can do. Rather than spending them trying to figure out how to do something, that a person could show me how to do correctly in five minutes. Somehow there is a missing key and I have to figure out what it is. Or better yet, have someone show me. In a couple of weeks, I have my tech evaluation for the state. Or maybe they're just going to set the date, I'm not sure. It takes forever to get through the state program. I've been working on it for six months. I'm also slowly learning braille. I figure I will have to use a braille display at some point. Talking for the dictation program exhausts me, and makes my jaw hurt. Due to hearing loss, I have trouble comprehending spoken words, so VoiceOver may not work for me either. I will keep checking back to learn new computer skills. At this point, I'm not sure I have anything to offer anyone else. I don't even recognize a tenth of the programs mentioned. Thanks for all your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: No VoiceOver or dictation for now.
Hi Daniel, I haven't been enrolled in that program yet, unless it is part of the state program. I was diagnosies legaly blind last May, and am still in the early stages of getting help from the state. This next appointment should help. If I ever learn to use the technology, I'd like to be able to help others like me cross the bridge from the sighted and hearing world to non-sighted and non-hearing world. If it intimidates me, I can only imagine what it would do to someone who may not even know how to check their email before they go blind or deaf. I might contact offline next week. Am sick today and have online Braille class office hours in a few minutes. There are some power Mac users in there as well. Is the dbtechies on Google? I signed up for the website newsletter. I'll try to understand the VO commands later. I know I tried what I thought I was supposed to, and they only lightly beeped at me. I still have enough vision most days to get around the computer, at least till the evaluation in a few weeks. Thanks, and I may contact if still lost, April On Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, Daniel Hawkins wrote: > > Hello April, > > Did you go through I Can Connect? With your hearing loss and vision loss > you should qualify that. I too went thru the program. As the federal law > states the equipment that you receive, you should receive training from the > state, in communication. Now each state is different in providing that. I > live in IL, and we don’t have a trainer, just one person that thinks they > know it. I had to learn everything myself. As of right now, I’m am working > twords a goal in training others to use assistance technology for blind and > deafblind. I will receive my full training hopefully in June. But as of > right now, I’m trying to learn as much I can now. So feel free to contact > me off list if you want training over email, or Apple’s iMessage, or over > the phone. I don’t know a whole a lot, but know enough to get around your > Mac quite well. > > There is a deafblind mailing list called dbtechies, if you want to join > too. > > I learned a lot of tips and basic things for both Mac, and iPhone at > www.htb2.com. There is a group of blind that talks and discuss about > everyday technology for the blind. > > Also if you are serious that you need this for your profession, maybe > check out Mac for the blind, or Fedora Outlier. Just some ideas. > As for surfing the internet, and you mentioned about you just see tabs but > not the page. If you go to the right and pass the tabs and see HTML > contact, you will need to interact. That is done by holding Vo shift down. > Or deinteract by holding VO shift and hit up arrow. > > Also here is a tip, If you want to google search or type an address in > Safari, just hit cmd l, that will take you to the address bar. > > I know there is an steep learning curve, and without no training, it can > be very very frustrating. Please, don’t give up, it will be worth it. > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 9, 2014, at 7:00 AM, April Brown wrote: > > Thanks for your help! > > Since dictation won't do what I need it to do in Pages, I'll try to find > something that will. Just not right now. I've still got to many little odd > things I don't know how to do on my new computer, and it exhausts me trying > to figure them out. > > As for VoiceOver, I tried to run training program three times over the > last few weeks, and couldn't get it to do what it was supposed to do within > the program. I printed off a many page document from AppleVis a few days > ago, and tried that yesterday. Extremely frustrating. I was able to get > it to work in Pages about as well as the regular reading program. As for > on the Internet, not at all. It read the tabs and nothing on the pages. > I'm setting it aside for now. > > Everyone usually comes to me for computer tech advice, reformatting, > and more. When I read the comments and questions on this, and other blind > computer sites, I feel like I'm reading a combination of Greek and Chinese. > I'm totally lost. > > I'd rather spend the next couple of weeks doing what I can do. Rather > than spending them trying to figure out how to do something, that a person > could show me how to do correctly in five minutes. Somehow there is a > missing key and I have to figure out what it is. Or better yet, have > someone show me. > > In a couple of weeks, I have my tech evaluation for the state. Or &
Re: No VoiceOver or dictation for now.
Hi Regina, I know my Mac Mini made a sound when it turned on for about two weeks. It no longer does. Confused me too. I really need a "Dummies" manual for the newly deaf blind new Mac user. Good luck! April On Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:31:15 AM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote: > > Boy do I understand. Mini when running is totally baffling to me. I have > found no program or blog or anything that starts from absolute zero. Right > now, all I want to do is read and answer email, surf and be able to enter > in Safari, and find out where to transfer files to so I can read them in > Pages and work with them. Don't feel bad. Right now I can't even get my Mac > running again. If it wasn't a Christmas gift, want to throw it out the > door! Only thing is, patience and playing got me where I am with iPhone, > and really don't want Mini to defeat me so nothing for it but to keep > trying! > > > reggie and Allegra > > On Jan 9, 2014, at 8:00 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Thanks for your help! > > Since dictation won't do what I need it to do in Pages, I'll try to find > something that will. Just not right now. I've still got to many little odd > things I don't know how to do on my new computer, and it exhausts me trying > to figure them out. > > As for VoiceOver, I tried to run training program three times over the > last few weeks, and couldn't get it to do what it was supposed to do within > the program. I printed off a many page document from AppleVis a few days > ago, and tried that yesterday. Extremely frustrating. I was able to get > it to work in Pages about as well as the regular reading program. As for > on the Internet, not at all. It read the tabs and nothing on the pages. > I'm setting it aside for now. > > Everyone usually comes to me for computer tech advice, reformatting, > and more. When I read the comments and questions on this, and other blind > computer sites, I feel like I'm reading a combination of Greek and Chinese. > I'm totally lost. > > I'd rather spend the next couple of weeks doing what I can do. Rather > than spending them trying to figure out how to do something, that a person > could show me how to do correctly in five minutes. Somehow there is a > missing key and I have to figure out what it is. Or better yet, have > someone show me. > > In a couple of weeks, I have my tech evaluation for the state. Or > maybe they're just going to set the date, I'm not sure. It takes forever to > get through the state program. I've been working on it for six months. > >I'm also slowly learning braille. I figure I will have to use a > braille display at some point. Talking for the dictation program exhausts > me, and makes my jaw hurt. Due to hearing loss, I have trouble > comprehending spoken words, so VoiceOver may not work for me either. > > I will keep checking back to learn new computer skills. At this > point, I'm not sure I have anything to offer anyone else. I don't even > recognize a tenth of the programs mentioned. > > Thanks for all your help. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: No VoiceOver or dictation for now.
Hi Daniel, I will search for the dbtechies group. I do not hear low tones. So my ear tends to over focus on high tones, and they hurt. So, I don't do well with even comprehending television. I do okay in person, if people talk slow enough and enunciate well. If they don't, I have no idea what they are saying. The worst thing is calling someone on the phone. I usually catch the first word in the spiel, and the rest goes over my head. No matter how many times I ask them to slow down and speak clearly, they don't. Doesn't help when trying to call Apple support to learn how to use something. Thanks, April On Thursday, January 9, 2014 1:08:33 PM UTC-5, Daniel Hawkins wrote: > > April, > > I understand how you feel. Before I went blind, I used to be a computer > repair guy. I was Comp/TIA certified and I used to build and maintain > office computers. As soon I lost my vision, I went over two years with no > communication. I could not call well, txt, or email or surf the web. But > since upon learning the iPad, and iPhone, and then the Mac, I am now back. > I want to be Apple certified but that is in the future. > > Yes dbtechies is at google groups. There is a guy there is the adaptive > tech trainer for Helen Keller school for deafblind, his name is Scott > Davert. And he is very knowledgeable and helpful there. > > How much of a loss in hearing do you have? face to face, do you understand > voices ok? > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:10 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > I haven't been enrolled in that program yet, unless it is part of > the state program. I was diagnosies legaly blind last May, and am still in > the early stages of getting help from the state. This next appointment > should help. > > If I ever learn to use the technology, I'd like to be able to help > others like me cross the bridge from the sighted and hearing world to > non-sighted and non-hearing world. If it intimidates me, I can only > imagine what it would do to someone who may not even know how to check > their email before they go blind or deaf. > > I might contact offline next week. Am sick today and have online > Braille class office hours in a few minutes. There are some power Mac > users in there as well. > > Is the dbtechies on Google? > > I signed up for the website newsletter. > > I'll try to understand the VO commands later. I know I tried what I > thought I was supposed to, and they only lightly beeped at me. > > I still have enough vision most days to get around the computer, at least > till the evaluation in a few weeks. > > Thanks, and I may contact if still lost, > > April > > On Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, Daniel Hawkins wrote: >> >> Hello April, >> >> Did you go through I Can Connect? With your hearing loss and vision loss >> you should qualify that. I too went thru the program. As the federal law >> states the equipment that you receive, you should receive training from the >> state, in communication. Now each state is different in providing that. I >> live in IL, and we don’t have a trainer, just one person that thinks they >> know it. I had to learn everything myself. As of right now, I’m am working >> twords a goal in training others to use assistance technology for blind and >> deafblind. I will receive my full training hopefully in June. But as of >> right now, I’m trying to learn as much I can now. So feel free to contact >> me off list if you want training over email, or Apple’s iMessage, or over >> the phone. I don’t know a whole a lot, but know enough to get around your >> Mac quite well. >> >> There is a deafblind mailing list called dbtechies, if you want to join >> too. >> >> I learned a lot of tips and basic things for both Mac, and iPhone at >> www.htb2.com. There is a group of blind that talks and discuss about >> everyday technology for the blind. >> >> Also if you are serious that you need this for your profession, maybe >> check out Mac for the blind, or Fedora Outlier. Just some ideas. >> As for surfing the internet, and you mentioned about you just see tabs >> but not the page. If you go to the right and pass the tabs and see HTML >> contact, you will need to interact. That is done by holding Vo shift down. >> Or deinteract by holding VO shift and hit up arrow. >> >> Also here is a tip, If you want to google search or
Step by Step Guide
Please help me. I can design a website with HTML and CSS sheets, working links, and shopping cart, and can't figure out how to make VoiceOver work. I've probably read every online manual I can find. And still, it's a no go. I spent probably two hours on it today. Somehow, it did almost work in Mail. As for the Internet. I tried every key combination listed in all the web manuals I down loaded and printed to no avail. Sure, it would the top line that says " File, Edit," etc... One time, I even got it to read the left pane in Twitter. I still cannot get it to read posts in Twitter, these forums, Google Plus, or Facebook. Can someone please treat this old web designer like someone who has never turned on a computer and tell me the steps to use VoiceOver to read a simple webpage. I figure, if I can learn to use it on Twitter, I can figure the rest out. If I can just figure out how to get it to leap from the menu bar to the web page. Than k you, April Brown -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Step by Step Guide
Hello Ray Foret, All the directions say VO + left or right should work. However, it only beeps if you do that. And I don't know why. Even the up and down arrow cause it to beep. Actually, this is my first Mac, and I had to re-label my bumblebee keyboard. Thanks! On Friday, January 10, 2014 2:51:06 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > April, sounds like you need to relax and try this. > > IF you press VO+left or right, you can navigate any web page usually just > fine with voice OVer. I will not nor can I provide step by step > instructions for every little operation. That’s not the best way to learn > Voice OVer anyhow. The best way is the way you started: by just doing it. > So, let me give you the following things. > > 1. Do you know what I mean by pressing VO+left or VO+right? What I mean > is the key combination of control+Option+left, right up or down arrow. So, > whenever someone here tells you to press say VO+right, for exampel, what > they will mean is that you should press control+Option+left or right. > Surely, you know the Apple keyboard enough to know that your option key is > right next to your control key and on its right. > > Pressing VO+space will be the usual way to click on a web page link or > activate something. In some cases, however, the return key will be used to > open some web streams. That is a case by case thing you’ll just have to > play with it. > > 2. Keyboard help. To get in to keyboard help, press VO+k. Now, with > keyboard help on, you can type what ever you wish to type and you will be > informed what each key or group of keys does and this includes many Voice > Over commands also. To get out of keyboard help, press escape. > > 3. To get help with Voice Over at any time, press VO+h. For a list of > all Voice OVer commands, Press VO+h twice. > > That should help to get you started good. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Please help me. > > I can design a website with HTML and CSS sheets, working links, and > shopping cart, and can't figure out how to make VoiceOver work. > > I've probably read every online manual I can find. And still, it's a no > go. > > I spent probably two hours on it today. Somehow, it did almost work in > Mail. > > As for the Internet. I tried every key combination listed in all the web > manuals I down loaded and printed to no avail. Sure, it would the top line > that says " > File, Edit," etc... One time, I even got it to read the left pane in > Twitter. I still cannot get it to read posts in Twitter, these forums, > Google Plus, or Facebook. > > Can someone please treat this old web designer like someone who has never > turned on a computer and tell me the steps to use VoiceOver to read a > simple webpage. I figure, if I can learn to use it on Twitter, I can > figure the rest out. If I can just figure out how to get it to leap from > the menu bar to the web page. > > Than k you, > > April Brown > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Step by Step Guide
I searched and searched and didn't find that check box anywhere. I can turn it on and off. And it read one to my emails to me. Though I had to click on it to get it. On Friday, January 10, 2014 3:04:21 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > Okay. I think I know what your problem is and how you have to solve it. > > It sounds to me like you need to make sure Voice OVer is turned on. Press > Cmd+F5 to do this. Now, once it’s on, I suspect you need to go in to > system preferences, choose the keyboard tab, and, from there, make sure > that this is checked > > "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked check box” > That is exactly what it will say when it’s checked. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:57 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hello Ray Foret, > > All the directions say VO + left or right should work. However, it > only beeps if you do that. And I don't know why. Even the up and down > arrow cause it to beep. > > Actually, this is my first Mac, and I had to re-label my bumblebee > keyboard. > > > Thanks! > > > On Friday, January 10, 2014 2:51:06 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> April, sounds like you need to relax and try this. >> >> IF you press VO+left or right, you can navigate any web page usually just >> fine with voice OVer. I will not nor can I provide step by step >> instructions for every little operation. That’s not the best way to learn >> Voice OVer anyhow. The best way is the way you started: by just doing it. >> So, let me give you the following things. >> >> 1. Do you know what I mean by pressing VO+left or VO+right? What I mean >> is the key combination of control+Option+left, right up or down arrow. So, >> whenever someone here tells you to press say VO+right, for exampel, what >> they will mean is that you should press control+Option+left or right. >> Surely, you know the Apple keyboard enough to know that your option key is >> right next to your control key and on its right. >> >> Pressing VO+space will be the usual way to click on a web page link or >> activate something. In some cases, however, the return key will be used to >> open some web streams. That is a case by case thing you’ll just have to >> play with it. >> >> 2. Keyboard help. To get in to keyboard help, press VO+k. Now, with >> keyboard help on, you can type what ever you wish to type and you will be >> informed what each key or group of keys does and this includes many Voice >> Over commands also. To get out of keyboard help, press escape. >> >> 3. To get help with Voice Over at any time, press VO+h. For a list of >> all Voice OVer commands, Press VO+h twice. >> >> That should help to get you started good. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> Please help me. >> >> I can design a website with HTML and CSS sheets, working links, and >> shopping cart, and can't figure out how to make VoiceOver work. >> >> I've probably read every online manual I can find. And still, it's a no >> go. >> >> I spent probably two hours on it today. Somehow, it did almost work in >> Mail. >> >> As for the Internet. I tried every key combination listed in all the web >> manuals I down loaded and printed to no avail. Sure, it would the top line >> that says " >> File, Edit," etc... One time, I even got it to read the left pane in >> Twitter. I still cannot get it to read posts in Twitter, these forums, >> Google Plus, or Facebook. >> >> Can someone please treat this old web designer like someone who has never >> turned on a computer and tell me the steps to use VoiceOver to read a >> simple webpage. I figure, if I can learn to use it on Twitter, I can >> figure the rest out. If I can just figure out how to get it to leap from >> the menu bar to the web page. >> >> Than k you, >> >> April Brown >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
Re: Step by Step Guide
Hi Greg Aikens, I don't know. That time I heard it say HTML, and Control+Option+Shift+ arrow just beeped again. It got stuck up there in the title at one point. Will this actually read a post to you ? Is it supposed to? I have to put it down for the night. Timer to feed the animals and me. Thanks, April On Friday, January 10, 2014 3:06:54 PM UTC-5, Greg Aikens wrote: > > Hi April, > Are you interacting with the web page before you try to navigate it? You > need to move to the part that says html view and interact with it using > Control+option+shift+down arrow. Then you should be able to use VO+left > and right arrows to move through the page. Interacting is confusing at > first but not bad once you get used to it. If you need a more in depth > explanation of interacting, let us know. > > Thanks, > Greg > > On Jan 10, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hello Ray Foret, > > All the directions say VO + left or right should work. However, it > only beeps if you do that. And I don't know why. Even the up and down > arrow cause it to beep. > > Actually, this is my first Mac, and I had to re-label my bumblebee > keyboard. > > > Thanks! > > > On Friday, January 10, 2014 2:51:06 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> April, sounds like you need to relax and try this. >> >> IF you press VO+left or right, you can navigate any web page usually just >> fine with voice OVer. I will not nor can I provide step by step >> instructions for every little operation. That’s not the best way to learn >> Voice OVer anyhow. The best way is the way you started: by just doing it. >> So, let me give you the following things. >> >> 1. Do you know what I mean by pressing VO+left or VO+right? What I mean >> is the key combination of control+Option+left, right up or down arrow. So, >> whenever someone here tells you to press say VO+right, for exampel, what >> they will mean is that you should press control+Option+left or right. >> Surely, you know the Apple keyboard enough to know that your option key is >> right next to your control key and on its right. >> >> Pressing VO+space will be the usual way to click on a web page link or >> activate something. In some cases, however, the return key will be used to >> open some web streams. That is a case by case thing you’ll just have to >> play with it. >> >> 2. Keyboard help. To get in to keyboard help, press VO+k. Now, with >> keyboard help on, you can type what ever you wish to type and you will be >> informed what each key or group of keys does and this includes many Voice >> Over commands also. To get out of keyboard help, press escape. >> >> 3. To get help with Voice Over at any time, press VO+h. For a list of >> all Voice OVer commands, Press VO+h twice. >> >> That should help to get you started good. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> Please help me. >> >> I can design a website with HTML and CSS sheets, working links, and >> shopping cart, and can't figure out how to make VoiceOver work. >> >> I've probably read every online manual I can find. And still, it's a no >> go. >> >> I spent probably two hours on it today. Somehow, it did almost work in >> Mail. >> >> As for the Internet. I tried every key combination listed in all the web >> manuals I down loaded and printed to no avail. Sure, it would the top line >> that says " >> File, Edit," etc... One time, I even got it to read the left pane in >> Twitter. I still cannot get it to read posts in Twitter, these forums, >> Google Plus, or Facebook. >> >> Can someone please treat this old web designer like someone who has never >> turned on a computer and tell me the steps to use VoiceOver to read a >> simple webpage. I figure, if I can learn to use it on Twitter, I can >> figure the rest out. If I can just figure out how to get it to leap from >> the menu bar to the web page. >> >> Than k you, >> >> April Brown >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionarie...@g
Re: Step by Step Guide
Good news: We figured out the problem: I was using Firefox, not Safari. It works in Safari, and not Firefox. Now, to learn the nuances. Not tonight. I knew it had to be something simple. I hadn't used Safari in years, because I couldn't see anything on it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Accessing The Voiceover Quick Staart tutorial
Hi Eileen, Thanks. I had run the tutorial three times. And nowhere did it mention that I had to use a specific browser. It's also not very intuitive. I'm going to create my own step-by-step manual, Because there's no way I will remember any of those key combinations. I simply don't have the memory. It's going to be slow, and I'll work on it a little bit four or five days a week. I don't even know what half the terms mean. And I can't find the definition anywhere. Strange terms that aren't used in regular computer work such as auto web spot, web rotor, web spot, sweet spot. I have no idea what these terms mean, or if I need to use them, or how, or why. And that is to design websites. I can only imagine how somebody who has barely checked their e-mail and maybe Facebook would feel looking at this. Have a great day, April On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:49:41 PM UTC-5, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > > Hi April, > > I thought I would mention this to you. I have only had my MacBook Air for > a little over 4 months. when I first started, I accessed the Voiceover help > menu by pressing CONTROL-OPTION-H. This is the command to open Voiceover > help. If you arrow down to a submenu item called "Quick Start Tutorial," it > will present you with an interactive tutorial. The other item in the > Voiceover help menu that I have gone back to periodically is the "Getting > Started Manual" for Voiceover. > > there is also a Voiceover command help menu. This is accessed by pressing > CONTROL-OPTION-H-H (tapping the H twice quickly) This will open a submenu > of different categories such as general, keyboard, navigation, etc. When > you enter on one of these submenu items, it will open and delineate the > keystroke command and its description of what the command does. At the > beginning of all of this, I used this the most to commit the keystrokes to > memory. Be kind to yourself. It will get better in time. I rarely turn my > PC on these days. It's only for the programs that I can't run on the Mac > that I reach for the PC. I know in time I will probably venture to place a > virtual machine on my air, but that's for another time in place. HTH. > > Cheers, > Eileen > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Step by Step Guide
Hi David Taylor, Thanks for your information. I will keep that in mind and try to figure out what it means. I posted on another thread what I'm really thinking about this. As a writer, I will have to be able to use Twitter. So I will be creating a step-by-step guide for me to use. Apparently only a different step-by-step guide for every single webpage. And maybe someday I'll figure out what all those strange terms mean that are listed on the voiceover help pages. I design websites, and I still have no idea what is meant by auto web spot, web spot, web rotor, sweet spot, and a dozen other unrecognized terms in this paperwork. I can only imagine what someone has never used the Internet for more than e-mail or maybe checking Facebook would think when I try to figure this out. Baby even more lost than me. Thanks for your help and I'll be checking back in. Have a nice day, April On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:53:39 PM UTC-5, David Taylor wrote: > > Hi, > > Actually, you’ve picked pretty difficult sites to start with there. > Twitter, for instance, has all sorts of available keystrokes for reading > things, but VO isn’t perfect on there, usable but not perfect. Most Google > sites have become awful and most of us don’t use an awful lot of Google > features other than GoogleGroups via email, Youtube and search. Also, > reading a VO manual doesn’t explain to a sighted person how a blind person > generally navigates. For instance, I, and many I know, would turn hick nag > on and enable single letter navigation keys to get any sensible use of the > web. This is done in the commanders section of the VO utility. > > Also, I suspect your VO is set to go to the top left of every screen > rather than to the cursor position, so you will probably have to uninteract > with things, find the HTML area, interact with it, etc. This is changed in > the Navigation section of the VO utility. > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers > Dave > > On 10 Jan 2014, at 07:43 pm, April Brown > > wrote: > > Please help me. > > I can design a website with HTML and CSS sheets, working links, and > shopping cart, and can't figure out how to make VoiceOver work. > > I've probably read every online manual I can find. And still, it's a no > go. > > I spent probably two hours on it today. Somehow, it did almost work in > Mail. > > As for the Internet. I tried every key combination listed in all the web > manuals I down loaded and printed to no avail. Sure, it would the top line > that says " > File, Edit," etc... One time, I even got it to read the left pane in > Twitter. I still cannot get it to read posts in Twitter, these forums, > Google Plus, or Facebook. > > Can someone please treat this old web designer like someone who has never > turned on a computer and tell me the steps to use VoiceOver to read a > simple webpage. I figure, if I can learn to use it on Twitter, I can > figure the rest out. If I can just figure out how to get it to leap from > the menu bar to the web page. > > Than k you, > > April Brown > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: contacts on iCloud.
Hi Jonathan, I have no idea how to work with Icloud settings. I'd like to better be able to organize my contacts. Why did the emails show up in my phone book part of my phone? I only want phone numbers in there. Good luck! On Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:01:38 PM UTC-5, Jonathan Candler wrote: > > Hi all. I’m sorry for asking this much here in this group, but I would > like to ask, if anyone is having a problem on mac not sinking contacts and > things. for example, I have added some contacts to my phone but they are > not sinking to my iCloud account. I have checked and my mac and my iPhone > have my contacts enabled and I have signed out and back in to my account on > both devices but all of my contacts are not sinking to my mac. If anyone > can help me out with this problem, let me know. Thanks all and have a good > day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Accessing The Voiceover Quick Staart tutorial
Thanks David Taylor, I am still considered fluctuating low vision. So I have used the most accessible browser for ten years. Was once Opera. It gave up accessibility years ago, so I moved to Firefox for the NoSquint of 125%, and set pages to a readable font, as well as adblock. I'd need a microscope to use Safari. Figuring out where they moved things I use is difficult. Of course, with VoiceOver, it will do it for me. Sortof. I'll still have to write out step by step instructions to find what I need, since I will no longer be able to scroll until I find it. When opened Safari yesterday, it had me logged into Twitter already. I didn't have to type my password or anyhing. I actually don't like that, if someone picked up my computer, they could into it. Plus,. it's always been a security issue to not have cookies closed and deleted at the end of a browsing session. I have no idea how to set Safari to do that. Thanks for your suggestions, April On Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:11:32 AM UTC-5, David Taylor wrote: > > Hi, > > I would suggest a different approach. You should read the Getting Started > Guide which is also in the help menu, and learn to use the commands help > which is in the same place, or vi-h-h, in other words, hold down the vo > keys and press h twice. This would explain much of this to you, and if you > understand the logic, you’ll understand the terms. VO works well with > Google Chrome, but not Firefox, you happened to pick an external browser > which is not accessible, rather than start with what is built in, which is > always the best way with Apple. You can do so much without getting any > external apps and Apple ones often work best for most things for most > people. Hope this helps. > > Cheers > Dave > > On 11 Jan 2014, at 11:34 am, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Eileen, > > Thanks. I had run the tutorial three times. And nowhere did it mention > that I had to use a specific browser. It's also not very intuitive. I'm > going to create my own step-by-step manual, Because there's no way I will > remember any of those key combinations. I simply don't have the memory. > It's going to be slow, and I'll work on it a little bit four or five days a > week. I don't even know what half the terms mean. And I can't find the > definition anywhere. Strange terms that aren't used in regular computer > work such as auto web spot, web rotor, web spot, sweet spot. I have no > idea what these terms mean, or if I need to use them, or how, or why. And > that is to design websites. I can only imagine how somebody who has barely > checked their e-mail and maybe Facebook would feel looking at this. > > Have a great day, > > April > > On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:49:41 PM UTC-5, Eileen Misrahi wrote: >> >> Hi April, >> >> I thought I would mention this to you. I have only had my MacBook Air for >> a little over 4 months. when I first started, I accessed the Voiceover help >> menu by pressing CONTROL-OPTION-H. This is the command to open Voiceover >> help. If you arrow down to a submenu item called "Quick Start Tutorial," it >> will present you with an interactive tutorial. The other item in the >> Voiceover help menu that I have gone back to periodically is the "Getting >> Started Manual" for Voiceover. >> >> there is also a Voiceover command help menu. This is accessed by pressing >> CONTROL-OPTION-H-H (tapping the H twice quickly) This will open a submenu >> of different categories such as general, keyboard, navigation, etc. When >> you enter on one of these submenu items, it will open and delineate the >> keystroke command and its description of what the command does. At the >> beginning of all of this, I used this the most to commit the keystrokes to >> memory. Be kind to yourself. It will get better in time. I rarely turn my >> PC on these days. It's only for the programs that I can't run on the Mac >> that I reach for the PC. I know in time I will probably venture to place a >> virtual machine on my air, but that's for another time in place. HTH. >> >> Cheers, >> Eileen >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.c
Re: Accessing The Voiceover Quick Staart tutorial
Thanks Eileen, I'll keep working on understanding it. Maybe spending about 30 minutes most days on it. No more, or it will overwhelm me, until I understand it. It would be nice if in the afternoons, I could close my eye and rest while listening to my daily updates. On Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:03:19 AM UTC-5, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > > Hi David and and All, > > I just wanted to point out that these help items are available. I never > suggested a particular method on how I proceeded. In fact, I have used and > are still using a wide range of medias and techniques that include the > onboard help tutorials, podcasts from several sites, these list serves, > real time chat rooms, Apple accessibility (if needed), and a year's > subscription at the Apple Store. I have also complemented all of this when > I have some spare time in reading "Take Control Using Mountain Lion." This > Mac is not my first computer ever. I come from the PC world where I started > with sight on an old 8086, with only 300 MG hard drive and using dos. So, > you all can see that the Mac experience for me is like starting all over. > We all have very different learning styles and there is no right or wrong. > I will try anything once because it could be the difference of mastering > this quicker. What's so wonderful about today is the variety of options > that we all have to draw on. JMO. > > Best, > Eileen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:11 AM, David Taylor > > > wrote: > > Hi, > > I would suggest a different approach. You should read the Getting Started > Guide which is also in the help menu, and learn to use the commands help > which is in the same place, or vi-h-h, in other words, hold down the vo > keys and press h twice. This would explain much of this to you, and if you > understand the logic, you’ll understand the terms. VO works well with > Google Chrome, but not Firefox, you happened to pick an external browser > which is not accessible, rather than start with what is built in, which is > always the best way with Apple. You can do so much without getting any > external apps and Apple ones often work best for most things for most > people. Hope this helps. > > Cheers > Dave > > On 11 Jan 2014, at 11:34 am, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Eileen, > > Thanks. I had run the tutorial three times. And nowhere did it mention > that I had to use a specific browser. It's also not very intuitive. I'm > going to create my own step-by-step manual, Because there's no way I will > remember any of those key combinations. I simply don't have the memory. > It's going to be slow, and I'll work on it a little bit four or five days a > week. I don't even know what half the terms mean. And I can't find the > definition anywhere. Strange terms that aren't used in regular computer > work such as auto web spot, web rotor, web spot, sweet spot. I have no > idea what these terms mean, or if I need to use them, or how, or why. And > that is to design websites. I can only imagine how somebody who has barely > checked their e-mail and maybe Facebook would feel looking at this. > > Have a great day, > > April > > On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:49:41 PM UTC-5, Eileen Misrahi wrote: >> >> Hi April, >> >> I thought I would mention this to you. I have only had my MacBook Air for >> a little over 4 months. when I first started, I accessed the Voiceover help >> menu by pressing CONTROL-OPTION-H. This is the command to open Voiceover >> help. If you arrow down to a submenu item called "Quick Start Tutorial," it >> will present you with an interactive tutorial. The other item in the >> Voiceover help menu that I have gone back to periodically is the "Getting >> Started Manual" for Voiceover. >> >> there is also a Voiceover command help menu. This is accessed by pressing >> CONTROL-OPTION-H-H (tapping the H twice quickly) This will open a submenu >> of different categories such as general, keyboard, navigation, etc. When >> you enter on one of these submenu items, it will open and delineate the >> keystroke command and its description of what the command does. At the >> beginning of all of this, I used this the most to commit the keystrokes to >> memory. Be kind to yourself. It will get better in time. I rarely turn my >> PC on these days. It's only for the programs that I can't run on the Mac >> that I reach for the PC. I know in time I will probably venture to place a >> virtual machine on my air, but that's for another time in place. HTH. >>
Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
I opened Safari. I turned VoiceOver on. After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? So, I closed and turned it all off again. Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and it will then work. That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. Back to writing. And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random list. So far, to get it on Safari, I have: Step 1: Open Safari Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did once. And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I can't comprehend low tones. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. Thanks, April . On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > April, > > First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for > nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get > out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure > you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. > > First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. > > Here’s how to get in to book marks. > > 1. Open Safari. > > 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. > > 3. Now, press b for book marks. > > 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark > folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. > > Want to edit your book Marks? > > Do this. > > 1. Open safari. > > 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. > > You should know enough by now to take it from there. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > I opened Safari. > I turned VoiceOver on. > After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. > Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, > and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. > > I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. > > Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to > an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it > highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? > > So, I closed and turned it all off again. > > Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver > back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At > least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and > it will then work. > > That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. > > Back to writing. > > And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random > list. > > So far, to get it on Safari, I have: > Step 1: Open Safari > Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver > Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And > yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did > once. > > And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I > can't comprehend low tones. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever duplicate it. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why > you're taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it > back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure > out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's > incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple > lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant > jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. > > Thanks, > > April > . > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> I opened Safari. >> I turned VoiceOver on. >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >> >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >> >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to >> an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >> >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >> >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned >> VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to >> content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need >> read to me, and it will then work. >> >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >> >> Back to writing. >> >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >> list. >> >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >> Step 1: Open Safari >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >> once. >> >> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? >> I can't comprehend low tones. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Teresa, I really need on on one training. However, the techs have no training in VoiceOver. I did call the number once, and never reached a person, just high pitched screaming music. I did the online chat, and even that tech didn't know anything about VoiceOver. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:54:32 PM UTC-5, Teresa Cochran wrote: > > Hi, April, > > It sounds like you very possibly could very much benefit from individual > instruction. If you have an Apple Store in your area, you might find out if > the folks there can refer you to someone. Or you can call Apple’s > accessibility number for referrals. I am not saying this because we don’t > want to help you. I’m thinking that it’s sort of like the person who > constantly gets lost and never remembers how the route is corrected, > because each error is different. Not to mention that it’s a fairly steep > learning curve, and it’s always beneficial to have a consistent method of > doing things, especially as a beginner. > > I don’t know where you’re located, but here’s the Apple accessibility > number: > 1-877-204-3930 US only. > > Also, I’m sure there are folks on this list who can give one-on-one > instruction for using the Mac. > > this is just a suggestion. > > HtH, > Teresa > > Slow down; you'll get there faster. > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:34 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it > back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure > out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's > incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple > lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant > jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. > > > > Thanks, > > > > April > > . > > > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > April, > > > > First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for > nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get > out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure > you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. > > > > First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. > > > > Here’s how to get in to book marks. > > > > 1. Open Safari. > > > > 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. > > > > 3. Now, press b for book marks. > > > > 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark > folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. > > > > Want to edit your book Marks? > > > > Do this. > > > > 1. Open safari. > > > > 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. > > > > You should know enough by now to take it from there. > > > > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the > blind built-in! > > > > Sincerely, > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: > > > >> I opened Safari. > >> I turned VoiceOver on. > >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. > >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it > crashed, and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. > >> > >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. > >> > >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar > to an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it > highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? > >> > >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. > >> > >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned > VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to > content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need > read to me, and it will then work. > >> > >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. > >> > >> Back to writing. > >> > >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a > random list. > >> > >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: > >> Step 1: Open Safari > >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver > >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. >
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Donna, I definitely need someone who can help me, and give a list. I do like the Mac much better, except for the tinier fonts thing. I never could figure out how to use even NVDA on Windows either. I had to increase fonts again today on Firefox and Pages. Almost too big to read in the 32 inch tv screen, so I don't have much time left to learn it. Maybe a few months. If I ever figure it out, I will have a user friendly training manual for me, and others, to refer to. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:03:23 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > > Hi April, > > I think that Teresa is right. I didn't follow this thread from the > beginning, but it seems pretty clear that there's a big piece that you're > missing. Perhaps if you were able to work one on one with someone, You > could more easily get the support you need so that you could avoid > experiences like the one you had today > > Also, and like Teresa I don't mean to be discouraging, but there's nothing > that says you have to use a Mac. If it's proving too much for you to learn > the Mac, and you're comfortable with Windows, maybe the best thing is for > you to stay on a PC. Choosing a computing environment is a highly > subjective thing, and if you like Windows better, I can't imagine any > reason in the world why you would have to switch to a Mac. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:57 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this > before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to > not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some > hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half > the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad > there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order > to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need > it written to ever duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: >> >> April, >> >> I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why >> you're taking it. >> >> In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever >> turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it >> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure >> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's >> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple >> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant >> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>> >>> April, >>> >>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >>> >>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >>> >>> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >>> >>> 1. Open Safari. >>> >>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >>> >>> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >>> >>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >>> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >>> >>> Want to edit your book Marks? >>> >>> Do this. >>> >>> 1. Open safari. >>> >>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >>> >>> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>> blind built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
By turning it off, and then re-opening everything, I restart at the beginning, instead of stuck in a toolbar that I don't how to get out of. I have to know where it will start each time, so I can make notes, and be able to use it the next time. Perhaps tomorrow, my husband can listen to the hard rock music if I call the Apple number, and maybe they'll have someone who at least knows how to get out of the menu bar. The last couple of people I spoke to, didn't know how to turn it on, much less use it. I don't want to leave it on all the time, it beeps constantly, especially if typing in a Pages document. That day may come. For now, 30 minutes of "training" a day is plenty. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:16:59 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > But April, by turning Voice OVer on and off, you are not doing what you > think you are doing. There is no starting at the beginning with Voice > Over. Just leave it on. How else do you expect to learn it? > > For more, I’d go to: > www.applevis.com > and also, > www.icanworkthisthing.com > > YOu simply must learn to develope confidence with the system: and, > framkly, beeing spoonfed everything all the time is a lousey way to do > that. Don’t try to learn everything at once because it ain’t gonna happen. > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it > back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure > out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's > incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple > lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant > jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. > > Thanks, > > April > . > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> I opened Safari. >> I turned VoiceOver on. >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >> >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >> >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to >> an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >> >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >> >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned >> VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to >> content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need >> read to me, and it will then work. >> >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >> >> Back to writing. >> >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >> list. >> >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >> Step 1: Open Safari >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it do
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Donna, It beeps if I hit an invalid command. Which appears to be about every combination I try on that list of common commands. It beeps and does nothing because it won't use that command there. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:26:10 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > > What do you mean it beeps. I leave my Mac on with Voiceover running all > the time, and it never beeps. The only sound I can think of that you might > be hearing is the ding signifying that you got a new email. If that > bothers you, then just close the email program, or disable the new mail > sound. > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:22 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > By turning it off, and then re-opening everything, I restart at the > beginning, instead of stuck in a toolbar that I don't how to get out of. I > have to know where it will start each time, so I can make notes, and be > able to use it the next time. > > Perhaps tomorrow, my husband can listen to the hard rock music if I call > the Apple number, and maybe they'll have someone who at least knows how to > get out of the menu bar. The last couple of people I spoke to, didn't > know how to turn it on, much less use it. > > I don't want to leave it on all the time, it beeps constantly, especially > if typing in a Pages document. That day may come. For now, 30 minutes of > "training" a day is plenty. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:16:59 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> But April, by turning Voice OVer on and off, you are not doing what you >> think you are doing. There is no starting at the beginning with Voice >> Over. Just leave it on. How else do you expect to learn it? >> >> For more, I’d go to: >> www.applevis.com >> and also, >> www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> YOu simply must learn to develope confidence with the system: and, >> framkly, beeing spoonfed everything all the time is a lousey way to do >> that. Don’t try to learn everything at once because it ain’t gonna happen. >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it >> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure >> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's >> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple >> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant >> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>> >>> April, >>> >>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >>> >>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >>> >>> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >>> >>> 1. Open Safari. >>> >>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >>> >>> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >>> >>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >>> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >>> >>> Want to edit your book Marks? >>> >>> Do this. >>> >>> 1. Open safari. >>> >>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >>> >>> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>> blind built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >>> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>> >>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Regina, I thought about just trying to learn to use it in Mail. However, when I need it most right now, is the late afternoon, When I want to relax, the screen is too blurry to see, and some nice Internet surfing would be a good way to relax for twenty minutes. While learning something new I will need full time before long. I feel like someone took a 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, took out all the corners,edges, and half the remaining pieces, and handed it to me to guess how the rest goes together I've even tried to find a list that just focuses on web commands. And they are so full of terms I have no clue what they are, that it's probably useless to me without a definition sheet. How can I guess what the command is for if it's name, and description is something unintelligible to me? I'm off to eat dinner and close my eye. Good night, and I'll try again tomorrow. Another way, perhaps. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote: > > April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to > close everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe > Sarai sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made > the layout of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time > Machine was, though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you > like. I think perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you > should focus on mail and get used to getting into it and reading and > writing email until you are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only > starting the machine and getting on the desktop which has another name I > forgot. Don't try to learn all commands at once. Pick something and become > really reliable with it. What I am learning is that a lot of times the > commands will be the same in different places and apps. By the way, I wear > hearing aids and have had to tweak my voices to find something I can > understand. I also don't have a very good memory so little chunks of info > is all I can handle until cemented into long term memory. I thought the Mac > was very different from iPhone, but I am finding there is a lot of > similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will not let it defeat me. > Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a while to change > operating systems. However, we can do this! > > > reggie and Allegra > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this > before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to > not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some > hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half > the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad > there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order > to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need > it written to ever duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: >> >> April, >> >> I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why >> you're taking it. >> >> In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever >> turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it >> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure >> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's >> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple >> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant >> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>> >>> April, >>> >>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is complet
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Tim, Tomorrow I can try turning VoiceOver on before I open Safari. My head hurts too much tonight. Yes, I tried the training thin g three times, and couldn't even get it to work in the training module. I've printed a ten page list of commands, a 30 page list of commands, and a whole bunch of other stuff to no avail. I'm old. Very old. Even as a former web designer, I have no idea what a web rotor, web spot, or half of those other terms are. I used to write CSS and HTML. I don't recognize the visible page as HTML, rather as text, so some terms are likely flipping. I need a step by step guide. I'll create one myself, if I have to. Somehow, no matter what key combination I try, and the VO arrow, or VO shift arrow mostly beeps at me. There must be a setting wrong somewhere. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out. How did anyone ever figure it out with a rocket science degree? Your notes should help me a lot. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:43:39 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi April, > > As others have mentioned, I believe that you're approaching this from a > more difficult prospective than necessary. When you turn off VoiceOver > (VO) before starting Safari, you're causing VO to behave different than > most people on this list would experience. That is, if you start Safari > while VO is already on, then VO usually will automatically be focused in > the HTML area. When you turn VO on after the fact, VO focus is at the most > upper level it can be. By the way, have you used the VoiceOver QuickStart > guide r looked through the VoiceOver commands? While VO is on, press the > VO keys (ctrl and option) along with the letter h and there's some very > helpful material there for you. > > But, I believe that some explaining would benefit you here as well, so, > we'll start with some VO Safari basics: > > 1. When VoiceOver (VO) is turned on and you wish to navigate within > Safari, you essentially have layers of items that you can deal with. As > you use VO-right/left or VO-up/down around the Safari screen, VO will > announce things like "Toolbar", Web-page name followed by HTML Content, > various Sidebars and Close, Minimize, Zoom buttons. Things like Toolbars > and Sidebars require you to dig a level down to know what's there. In VO > language, that is "Interacting With" and item. So, pressing VO-shift-down > arrow Interacts with the item and drills you down into that level of items. > You can then navigate with VO-left/right/up/down to determine the > available items at that level. Once you are at a lower level of items, for > example within the Toolbar, you only here about that level unless you press > VO-shift-up arrow to Stop Interacting with the Toolbar or that specific > level of items. > > When you hear VO announce "Web-page name HTML Content", that is the area > where all the web content resides. Interact with that area then use > VO-left/right/up/down to navigate around and VO-space or your return key to > activate a given link. You can also use the tabkey to move between links > but remember that when using the tabkey, you will likely miss any textual > or other content. > > Another thing that you may find beneficial is the cmd-l command. This > command moves focus to the Address/Search field. So, pressing cmd-l, then > typing "www.google.com" followed by the return key will send you to > Google's home page. And, pressing cmd-l and entering "VoiceOver commands" > followed by return will do a Google search for this phrase and give the > results within the HTML Content area. > > This is a start for you, and remember that VO is designed to be able to > use the same command structure no matter what application you're using. > So, learning basic VoiceOver navigation is essential and will actually > make your experience much less frustrating. > > HTH. > > Later... > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote: > > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why > you're taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it > back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure > out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's > incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
No more than I am, I'm sure. When something gets stuck on a computer, the common knowledge is to shut it down, and restart. Exactly what I was trying to do, every time VoiceOver would get stuck and every command I tried would just make it beep and do nothing. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:55:38 PM UTC-5, alia robinson wrote: > > I have no idea what this even means. voiceover doesn’t clear or *start > over* am extremely confused here. > > Alia > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote: > > > April, > > > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why > you're taking it. > > > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > > Best, > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Phil, Yes I have attempted to complete the tutorial three times. I can't get VoiceOver to work in it either. It beeps at me. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:21:55 PM UTC-5, phil halton wrote: > > have you tried to learn VoiceOver basics by opening the VoiceOver help > menu and selecting the quick start tutorial? Once you've worked through > that tutorial you can read through the getting started guide? > Me thinks you're making it far more complicated than it is. Honestly, > start at the beginning, learn VO basics by taking the quick start tutorial, > then move on to reading systematically through the getting started guide > which is essentially a webpage in Safari that covers every aspect of > VoiceOver - it's really quite thorough and easy to read. > > The best advice I ever got when I first started learning to use a mac was > to forget everything I thought I knew and just start at the beginning. > Also, take a deep breathe and keep things simple - it's not so hard if > people like me and others here can master it, then so can you. > > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:58 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Regina, > > I thought about just trying to learn to use it in Mail. However, > when I need it most right now, is the late afternoon, When I want to relax, > the screen is too blurry to see, and some nice Internet surfing would be a > good way to relax for twenty minutes. While learning something new I will > need full time before long. > > I feel like someone took a 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, took out all > the corners,edges, and half the remaining pieces, and handed it to me to > guess how the rest goes together > > I've even tried to find a list that just focuses on web commands. And > they are so full of terms I have no clue what they are, that it's probably > useless to me without a definition sheet. How can I guess what the > command is for if it's name, and description is something unintelligible to > me? > > I'm off to eat dinner and close my eye. > > Good night, and I'll try again tomorrow. Another way, perhaps. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote: >> >> April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to >> close everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe >> Sarai sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made >> the layout of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time >> Machine was, though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you >> like. I think perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you >> should focus on mail and get used to getting into it and reading and >> writing email until you are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only >> starting the machine and getting on the desktop which has another name I >> forgot. Don't try to learn all commands at once. Pick something and become >> really reliable with it. What I am learning is that a lot of times the >> commands will be the same in different places and apps. By the way, I wear >> hearing aids and have had to tweak my voices to find something I can >> understand. I also don't have a very good memory so little chunks of info >> is all I can handle until cemented into long term memory. I thought the Mac >> was very different from iPhone, but I am finding there is a lot of >> similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will not let it defeat me. >> Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a while to change >> operating systems. However, we can do this! >> >> >> reggie and Allegra >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still >> have some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, >> I can now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to >> read it without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn >> this before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me >> to not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain >> some hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand >> half the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad >> there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order >> to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need >> it written to ever duplicate it. >> >> On Sunday, January 12,
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Shawn, Thanks. I do have Skype. I am going to try a couple of different things over this week, and thankfully a few people have offered to help. If this doesn't work, maybe I need the program checked. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:46:44 PM UTC-5, Shawn AKA BBS wrote: > > Hi April. I may be of some help. I have two options for you because you > say you want one-on-one training. If you have Skype, you can add me to > Skype and I'll be happy to teach you the basics to Voiceover. I have a > friend on here that I've taught how to use the Mac and it helped her > greatly. The other option is a website but it's not the cheapest > option. You can go to www.blindaccesstraining.com and request for > one-on-one training there. I hope you'll take into consideration all > the options I've told you. > > -- > Shawn > Sent From My White MacBook > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Today's Plan
I get to spend the afternoon doing one of my favorite things (and yes, this is honest, not sarcastic): Re-formatting a computer for one of hubby's co-workers. While in that room - Hubby and I will try the VoiceOver trainer on his Mac, and see if he has any luck figuring it out. Most people say that if between his computer knowledge, and mine, it cant be figured out, it either can't be important, or it isn't easy. I can figure out earthquake, volcano, and even some physics terms relatively easy. And yet, these term that I cannot find defined anywhere on the net that are used in the VoiceOver training are OverWhelming. Regina, I did see that link to Sarai's post, and have read all the pages on that site, even before my first post on here. Oh, and hubby thinks he knows why I can use Dictation in social media, and not Pages to tell a story. In social media, I rarely use inflection. However, I am a storyteller, so in novel writing, I have all kinds of inflection and excitement. I don't talk in a monotone while recording a story. Makes sense. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's Plan
Hi Donna, I'm going to do my best to politely disagree with you. The training program is fine for a review for people who have used VoiceOver, and perhaps other screen readers successfully.. However, for someone who never has been successful at using a screen reader, it is totally unclear. The only clear step - is how to turn it on and off. Most people trying to learn it would have far less computer knowledge than either me or my husband, are not young, can't read the developer's mind, and are still partially sighted, or only recently lost their vision. The training program is not geared for those people - exactly the people trying to use it. I have asked specifically to a link to a specific web site with step by step directions. Although, others responded offering to help off list, the first person reminded me that I am too stupid to live, and no one has the time to write a step by step guide. I should say thank you to that person for reminding me what I heard many times a day for the first twenty years of my life. I am too stupid to live if I can't read the developer's mind, and need a actual training manual to learn something new. I have asked, at least three times what three specific terms meant, hoping I could figure it out if I cold figure out those terms. One person defined one of them today. And a search on the Internet does not reveal definitions related to computers, or VoiceOver. I think I'm wasting my time trying to learn a program without a training manual. How many thousands of people have given up before this point, because there is no manual? How many people are sitting at home twiddling their thumbs because they are not a mind reader? I need to be spending the last few weeks with my remaining vision writing and learning Braille. This will be my last computer. I'm too old too keep up with the lingo. Since I am just a pest trying to ask questions to learn how to use this, I won't ask anymore. On Monday, January 13, 2014 8:05:57 AM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > > April, > > Just a few comments that I hope will be helpful. > > First, it seems like you've turned this thing into a dragon. It really > isn't it's just a piece of software. Treat it that way. You're not > climbing a mountain. Many of us, myself included found the Mac very > frustrating at the beginning. for me, that lasted about three months, and > then suddenly everything just clicked.. I don't think this is due to any > inherent problems on the Mac, but rather that it was a new system and new > screen-reader. I'm pretty sure I was equally frustrated with JAWS and > Windows, but that was so long ago now that I've forgotten how frustrated I > was. So take it easy, and take it in very small chunks. > > Second, don't rely too much on your husband. I'm not sure it's always > intuitive to sighted person how someone who is blind or low-vision uses a > computer, so his take/experience with Voiceover may not be the best > measuring stick. this may apply to you as well. You've mentioned that > you're losing both your hearing and your vision. That is going to require > that you figure out new ways of interacting with things, which is > inevitably going to be quite frustrating at times. So while you may have a > lot of computer knowledge, I suspect that you are doing more than just > learning to use a Mac, you're relearning how to use a computer. > > Regarding the terms you say overwhelm you, if you can figure out physics > terms, then you know that every discipline, and even subdisciplines, have > their specific terminology. If you don't know what a hot-spot is, either > google it, or ask one of us. We'd be happy to tell you. Asking questions > and then getting answers is a much better use of this list then just > venting your frustrations, though of course many of us have had occasion to > do that as well. :) > > As for dictation, I hate to shoot down your husband's theory, but it isn't > context-based. So it works the same way, whether your using Facebook or > Pages. It cares less about the inflection in your voice than it does the > clarity of your speech. One key difference that I can see between social > media and a pages document is that the latter is usually much longer. So > I'm wondering if the chunks you are dictating in your social media posts > are simply shorter, and thus you're having better luck. > > Just some thoughts, hope they're helpful. > Good luck today, > Donna > On Jan 13, 2014, at 6:47 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > I get to spend the afternoon doing one of my favorite things (and yes, > this is honest, not sarcastic): Re
