Hi Donna,
I definitely need someone who can help me, and give a list. I do
like the Mac much better, except for the tinier fonts thing. I never could
figure out how to use even NVDA on Windows either. I had to increase fonts
again today on Firefox and Pages. Almost too big to read in the 32 inch tv
screen, so I don't have much time left to learn it. Maybe a few months.
If I ever figure it out, I will have a user friendly training manual for
me, and others, to refer to.
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:03:23 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote:
>
> Hi April,
>
> I think that Teresa is right. I didn't follow this thread from the
> beginning, but it seems pretty clear that there's a big piece that you're
> missing. Perhaps if you were able to work one on one with someone, You
> could more easily get the support you need so that you could avoid
> experiences like the one you had today
>
> Also, and like Teresa I don't mean to be discouraging, but there's nothing
> that says you have to use a Mac. If it's proving too much for you to learn
> the Mac, and you're comfortable with Windows, maybe the best thing is for
> you to stay on a PC. Choosing a computing environment is a highly
> subjective thing, and if you like Windows better, I can't imagine any
> reason in the world why you would have to switch to a Mac.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:57 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com<javascript:>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have
> some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can
> now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it
> without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this
> before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to
> not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some
> hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half
> the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad
> there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order
> to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need
> it written to ever duplicate it.
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote:
>>
>> April,
>>
>> I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why
>> you're taking it.
>>
>> In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever
>> turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it
>> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure
>> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's
>> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple
>> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant
>> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> April
>> .
>>
>> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>>
>>> April,
>>>
>>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for
>>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get
>>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure
>>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect.
>>>
>>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off.
>>>
>>> Here’s how to get in to book marks.
>>>
>>> 1. Open Safari.
>>>
>>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure.
>>>
>>> 3. Now, press b for book marks.
>>>
>>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark
>>> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it.
>>>
>>> Want to edit your book Marks?
>>>
>>> Do this.
>>>
>>> 1. Open safari.
>>>
>>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window.
>>>
>>> You should know enough by now to take it from there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>>> blind built-in!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I opened Safari.
>>> I turned VoiceOver on.
>>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks.
>>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed,
>>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking.
>>>
>>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again.
>>>
>>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to
>>> an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it
>>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh?
>>>
>>> So, I closed and turned it all off again.
>>>
>>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned
>>> VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to
>>> content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need
>>> read to me, and it will then work.
>>>
>>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today.
>>>
>>> Back to writing.
>>>
>>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random
>>> list.
>>>
>>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have:
>>> Step 1: Open Safari
>>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver
>>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And
>>> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did
>>> once.
>>>
>>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting?
>>> I can't comprehend low tones.
>>>
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