Hi Teresa,

        I really need on on one training.  However, the techs have no 
training in VoiceOver.  I did call the number once, and never reached a 
person, just high pitched screaming music.  I did the online chat, and even 
that tech didn't know anything about VoiceOver.

On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:54:32 PM UTC-5, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>
> Hi, April, 
>
> It sounds like you very possibly could very much benefit from individual 
> instruction. If you have an Apple Store in your area, you might find out if 
> the folks there can refer you to someone. Or you can call Apple’s 
> accessibility number for referrals. I am not saying this because we don’t 
> want to help you. I’m thinking that it’s sort of like the person who 
> constantly gets lost and never remembers how the route is corrected, 
> because each error is different. Not to mention that it’s a fairly steep 
> learning curve, and it’s always beneficial to have a consistent method of 
> doing things, especially as a beginner. 
>
> I don’t know where you’re located, but here’s the Apple accessibility 
> number: 
> 1-877-204-3930 US only. 
>
> Also, I’m sure there are folks on this list who can give one-on-one 
> instruction for using the Mac. 
>
> this is just a suggestion. 
>
> HtH, 
> Teresa 
>
> Slow down; you'll get there faster. 
>
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:34 AM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>
> > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it 
> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure 
> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks.  I know it's 
> incorrect.  I haven't found directions anywhere.  I just have multiple 
> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in.  It's a giant 
> jigsaw puzzle.  I try what you suggest. 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > 
> > April 
> > . 
> > 
> > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: 
> > April, 
> > 
> > First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for 
> nothing.  Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get 
> out of Safari.  This is quite frankly, unnecessary.  Also, the procedure 
> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. 
> > 
> > First, leave Voice OVer on.  DO, NOT, turn it off. 
> > 
> > Here’s how to get in to book marks. 
> > 
> > 1.  Open Safari. 
> > 
> > 2.  Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. 
> > 
> > 3.  Now, press b for book marks. 
> > 
> > 4.  Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark 
> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. 
> > 
> > Want to edit your book Marks? 
> > 
> > Do this. 
> > 
> > 1.  Open safari. 
> > 
> > 2.  Press Cmd+Option+b.  That gets you in to the edit book marks window. 
> > 
> > You should know enough by now to take it from there. 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
> blind built-in! 
> > 
> > Sincerely, 
> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! 
> > 
> > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > 
> >> I opened Safari. 
> >> I turned VoiceOver on. 
> >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. 
> >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it 
> crashed, and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. 
> >> 
> >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. 
> >> 
> >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar 
> to an actual  bookmark.  The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it 
> highlighted and wanted to change it.  Huh? 
> >> 
> >> So, I closed and turned it all off again.   
> >> 
> >> Then, I opened Safari back up.  Opened up a web page, and turned 
> VoiceOver back on.  Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to 
> content.  At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need 
> read to me, and it will then work. 
> >> 
> >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. 
> >> 
> >> Back to writing. 
> >> 
> >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a 
> random list. 
> >> 
> >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: 
> >> Step 1:  Open Safari 
> >> Step 2:  Command, F5 to start VoiceOver 
> >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. 
>  And yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks.  It 
> did once. 
> >> 
> >> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? 
>  I can't comprehend low tones. 
> >> 
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