Re: What does command option H do in Apple Mail
Meh, That had nothing to do with your vo+back slash, that I can definitely assure you. I, too have had issues with vo+backslash not working with mail, and regardless people telling me left and right it consistently works, I have news for you and them, on my end, it definitely doesn't work reliably, case closed, believe it, or call me a liar, one. LOL! I finally just said to heck with it, and disabled conversation view. Not something I liked doing, believe me, but what else could I do! It wasn't working correctly, so... yeah... ahim... Chris. - Original Message - From: "Jamie Pauls" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:05 PM Subject: What does command option H do in Apple Mail In my clumsiness I hit command-option H while reading messages. VO said "Hide others" but I have no idea what others were being referred to. A perusal of the menus didn't shed a whole lot of light on the subject. I did, however, discover how to show my list of mailboxes which was handy indeed. One reason why I ask this question is that the VO backslash command to expand and collapse conversations doesn't seem to work as reliably as it once did. I was wondering if my hitting command option H changed something related to expanding and collapsing email conversations. I've waffled on enough now and I think you all probably get the point. I will be quiet until someone enlightens me further. Thanks and have a great weekend. Jamie Pauls -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What does command option H do in Apple Mail
You're almost correct. It minimizes... notice I didn't say hides, I said minimizes everything except for your currently focused application, in this case, Mail. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Timothy Emmons" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:14 PM Subject: Re: What does command option H do in Apple Mail Hey Jamy I'm going to take a stab but I may be wrong too. But, in my experience, I think it's like minimizing everything, hiding the mail program and everything, but I may be wrong. Anybody else have a clue? Anyway, that's my try at it, hope that helps. On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Jamie Pauls wrote: In my clumsiness I hit command-option H while reading messages. VO said "Hide others" but I have no idea what others were being referred to. A perusal of the menus didn't shed a whole lot of light on the subject. I did, however, discover how to show my list of mailboxes which was handy indeed. One reason why I ask this question is that the VO backslash command to expand and collapse conversations doesn't seem to work as reliably as it once did. I was wondering if my hitting command option H changed something related to expanding and collapsing email conversations. I've waffled on enough now and I think you all probably get the point. I will be quiet until someone enlightens me further. Thanks and have a great weekend. Jamie Pauls -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What does command option H do in Apple Mail
What even exactly is the difference in hiding from minimizing? Chris. - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:14 PM Subject: Re: What does command option H do in Apple Mail To my knowledge, that command hides all other applications. It is a purely visual thing, with no bearing on vo, so the conversation problems are likely unrelated. On Apr 27, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Jamie Pauls wrote: In my clumsiness I hit command-option H while reading messages. VO said "Hide others" but I have no idea what others were being referred to. A perusal of the menus didn't shed a whole lot of light on the subject. I did, however, discover how to show my list of mailboxes which was handy indeed. One reason why I ask this question is that the VO backslash command to expand and collapse conversations doesn't seem to work as reliably as it once did. I was wondering if my hitting command option H changed something related to expanding and collapsing email conversations. I've waffled on enough now and I think you all probably get the point. I will be quiet until someone enlightens me further. Thanks and have a great weekend. Jamie Pauls -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: closing an app that has no windows?
hit command option escape, select it in the table, then go to force quit. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:16 PM Subject: closing an app that has no windows? Hi all, I opened Piano Pub to give it another try just now, and vo says it has no windows. Worse, it has no menus, so cmd-q does not work. How can I close this application? On a side note, if anyone knows why it is not working, that would be helpful as well, but mostly I just want to close it so I can see if it has an update. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: closing an app that has no windows?
or, if you're real! real! geeky, and feelin totally stupidly silly, as I feel like being right now kind a over kill silly, go to terminal, and type sudo killall pianopub OK, I've seriously been using Linux for too long today! Sorry, I couldn't resist! Technically yes, that would work, but... um... why? That's over kill! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Scott Erichsen" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: RE: closing an app that has no windows? Alex, Kill it from the force-Quit option in the apple menu. That's the best way. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2013 11:16 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: closing an app that has no windows? Hi all, I opened Piano Pub to give it another try just now, and vo says it has no windows. Worse, it has no menus, so cmd-q does not work. How can I close this application? On a side note, if anyone knows why it is not working, that would be helpful as well, but mostly I just want to close it so I can see if it has an update. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: closing an app that has no windows?
It happens to the best of us, don't feel bad. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:39 PM Subject: Re: closing an app that has no windows? Force quit... how did I forget that? Thanks! On Apr 27, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Danny Noonan wrote: Force quit by cmd option escape or from apple menu. Select the app you want to quit and VO right and close it Sent from my iPhone On 28/04/2013, at 11:16 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I opened Piano Pub to give it another try just now, and vo says it has no windows. Worse, it has no menus, so cmd-q does not work. How can I close this application? On a side note, if anyone knows why it is not working, that would be helpful as well, but mostly I just want to close it so I can see if it has an update. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
cd burning software.
Hello list. I am looking for an application that will allow me to copy an audio cd to multiple drives at the same time. I have burn, but this app can not do what I am asking. Is there a more full featured program for cds and dvds for the mac? In windows, I used to do this with Nero. I am looking for something similar. I know that toast titanium is the best application for such tasks for the mac but I don't think that is accessible with voice over. Any help is very much needed and appreciated. Nektarios. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Extracting Audio from TV Shows
Hi. You can do this using audio hijack pro, but it is going to be in real time. In other words, you must play the videos and grab the audio at the same time. Nektarios. On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:19 AM, Jane wrote: > I bought three seasons of a TV show and I am downloading the videos to iTunes > right now. Is there anyway I can just extract the audio even though the files > are protected? > > Jane > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What does command option H do in Apple Mail
Hi, The difference between hide and minimize is, hiding an application that is in the foreground removes it from the screen but, also moves focus to the open application behind it. If you minimize, the app is removed from the screen but, focus is still in that app, and its still in the foreground. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Apr 28, 2013, at 3:15 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: > Meh, > > That had nothing to do with your vo+back slash, that I can definitely assure > you. I, too have had issues with vo+backslash not working with mail, and > regardless people telling me left and right it consistently works, I have > news for you and them, on my end, it definitely doesn't work reliably, case > closed, believe it, or call me a liar, one. LOL! I finally just said to > heck with it, and disabled conversation view. Not something I liked doing, > believe me, but what else could I do! It wasn't working correctly, so... > yeah... ahim... > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Jamie Pauls" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:05 PM > Subject: What does command option H do in Apple Mail > > > In my clumsiness I hit command-option H while reading messages. VO said "Hide > others" but I have no idea what others were being referred to. A perusal of > the menus didn't shed a whole lot of light on the subject. I did, however, > discover how to show my list of mailboxes which was handy indeed. One reason > why I ask this question is that the VO backslash command to expand and > collapse conversations doesn't seem to work as reliably as it once did. I was > wondering if my hitting command option H changed something related to > expanding and collapsing email conversations. > > I've waffled on enough now and I think you all probably get the point. I will > be quiet until someone enlightens me further. > > Thanks and have a great weekend. > > Jamie Pauls > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
virtual windows
Hi everyone. It's been forever since I had windows on my mac as well and I can't remember how to fix this issue, so any help would be appreciated. How do I get the control key to work so that I can read word by word, copy and things like that? I can't get it right either on the mac keyboard or on my usb keyboard. Did I need to do something special to get the keys to work like they should? May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca m...@canadianlynx.ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What does command option H do in Apple Mail
An alternative to disabling conversation view is to turn off quick nap and use the right and left arrow keys to expand and collapse conversations. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:15 AM, "Chris Gilland" wrote: > Meh, > > That had nothing to do with your vo+back slash, that I can definitely assure > you. I, too have had issues with vo+backslash not working with mail, and > regardless people telling me left and right it consistently works, I have > news for you and them, on my end, it definitely doesn't work reliably, case > closed, believe it, or call me a liar, one. LOL! I finally just said to > heck with it, and disabled conversation view. Not something I liked doing, > believe me, but what else could I do! It wasn't working correctly, so... > yeah... ahim... > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Jamie Pauls" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:05 PM > Subject: What does command option H do in Apple Mail > > > In my clumsiness I hit command-option H while reading messages. VO said "Hide > others" but I have no idea what others were being referred to. A perusal of > the menus didn't shed a whole lot of light on the subject. I did, however, > discover how to show my list of mailboxes which was handy indeed. One reason > why I ask this question is that the VO backslash command to expand and > collapse conversations doesn't seem to work as reliably as it once did. I was > wondering if my hitting command option H changed something related to > expanding and collapsing email conversations. > > I've waffled on enough now and I think you all probably get the point. I will > be quiet until someone enlightens me further. > > Thanks and have a great weekend. > > Jamie Pauls > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Voice Dream: Gestures with two fingers
Hi Voice Dream users, what a great app I think. Even iBooks could learn from it. ;-) What doesn't work for me are the gestures with two fingers. If I got it right I could swipe with two fingers to the right or left two jump to the beginning or end of a sentence. But when I perform this gestures nothing hapens. Same is when I tap with to fingers on the screen. Or is this just a gesture for users with vision? Thanks for your help and all the best Jürgen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Voice Dream: Gestures with two fingers
Yeh, I think they have a bit of work to do yet. For example, I wanted to try the define a word feature. So, I rotated to words and then Flicked to a word. Then I did a doubletap and hold and the menu popped up. Only, it defined the word at the beginning of the sentence and nothing I did could make it go for any word other than a word at the beginning of a defined block of text. It didn't make the reading curser follow the voiceover curser. Best, Erik Burggraaf Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2013-04-28, at 2:43 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > Hi Voice Dream users, > > what a great app I think. Even iBooks could learn from it. ;-) > What doesn't work for me are the gestures with two fingers. If I got it right > I could swipe with two fingers to the right or left two jump to the beginning > or end of a sentence. But when I perform this gestures nothing hapens. Same > is when I tap with to fingers on the screen. Or is this just a gesture for > users with vision? > > Thanks for your help and > all the best > Jürgen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
Hi Eric, Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why that wasn't a problem. I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that the next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made a small in-road. Cheers, Donna On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: > WOOT! > I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds want > to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? > > -eric > > On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR >> powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes frustrating >> conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. She and I were >> both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
hi. I will admit i have not followed your case closely Donna, but in case you are ever in the situation again, why not simply stating the obvious? if the mac goes down the blind person can install the os her, or him self, as far as i know of we cant do that with windows. Sometimes i think that having people believing in blind persons and the mac is frustrating, but there are light at the end. At least if you live in denmark, part of that is the lower price, but it is simply also that the system is more stable and if it goes down you can install it again your self. best sandi written from her Mac mini II who have not failed her yet! :) On 4/28/13, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. > > We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call > with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of > frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases > interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he > still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of > employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could > install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to > run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just > ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows > about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office > isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why > that wasn't a problem. > > I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his > underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went > through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide > training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how > her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and > JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an > iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she > already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not > present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems > are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. > > So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that > the next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made > a small in-road. > Cheers, > Donna > On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: > >> WOOT! >> I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds >> want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? >> >> -eric >> >> On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR >>> powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes >>> frustrating conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. >>> She and I were both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups
Re: Voice Dream: Gestures with two fingers
I use VoiceDream and I agree that it is a great app. To use the two-finger swipe right or left to go to previous or next sentence, you have to turn VO off. That's easy enough, just triple click home and then the gestures are usable. Of course, with VO on, you can rewind or fastforward 30 seconds, or pause with a two finger double tap. I switch between VO on and off for the different uses. - Original Message - From: "Jürgen Fleger" To: "Visionaries Mac Visionaries" Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:43 PM Subject: Voice Dream: Gestures with two fingers Hi Voice Dream users, what a great app I think. Even iBooks could learn from it. ;-) What doesn't work for me are the gestures with two fingers. If I got it right I could swipe with two fingers to the right or left two jump to the beginning or end of a sentence. But when I perform this gestures nothing hapens. Same is when I tap with to fingers on the screen. Or is this just a gesture for users with vision? Thanks for your help and all the best Jürgen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
Hi Sandi, I made that argument, and many others. Rehab agencies here in the U.S. are often very reticent to purchase Macs. This comes from many factors that I won't go into here, but it's really very hard to get them to look at anything that isn't a Freedom Scientific--and thus Windows--product. Best, Donna On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > hi. I will admit i have not followed your case closely Donna, but in > case you are ever in the situation again, why not simply stating the > obvious? if the mac goes down the blind person can install the os her, > or him self, as far as i know of we cant do that with windows. > Sometimes i think that having people believing in blind persons and > the mac is frustrating, but there are light at the end. At least if > you live in denmark, part of that is the lower price, but it is > simply also that the system is more stable and if it goes down you can > install it again your self. > > > best > > > sandi > > written from her Mac mini II who have not failed her yet! :) > > On 4/28/13, Donna Goodin wrote: >> Hi Eric, >> >> Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. >> >> We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call >> with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of >> frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases >> interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he >> still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of >> employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could >> install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to >> run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just >> ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows >> about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office >> isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why >> that wasn't a problem. >> >> I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his >> underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went >> through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide >> training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how >> her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and >> JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an >> iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she >> already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not >> present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems >> are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. >> >> So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that >> the next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made >> a small in-road. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: >> >>> WOOT! >>> I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds >>> want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? >>> >>> -eric >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi all, for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes frustrating conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. She and I were both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mac
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
I would like to say congratulations, Donna et al. On 2013-04-28, at 12:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. > > We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call with > the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of > frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases interfere > with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he still > insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of employers > want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could install > Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to run an > installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just ignored > the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows about blind > Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office isn't > accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why that > wasn't a problem. > > I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his > underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went > through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide > training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how > her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and > JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an > iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she > already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not > present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems > are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. > > So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that the > next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made a > small in-road. > Cheers, > Donna > On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: > >> WOOT! >> I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds >> want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? >> >> -eric >> >> On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR >>> powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes frustrating >>> conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. She and I were >>> both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
Please feel fortunate, we have almost no agencies here in /canada and the only way you can obtain anything is by attending school/post secondary institutions at which yo have to do extremely well, or be employed. If you want a mac, you buy it yourself around here, which is what I did. On 2013-04-28, at 1:42 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Sandi, > > I made that argument, and many others. Rehab agencies here in the U.S. are > often very reticent to purchase Macs. This comes from many factors that I > won't go into here, but it's really very hard to get them to look at anything > that isn't a Freedom Scientific--and thus Windows--product. > Best, > Donna > On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > >> hi. I will admit i have not followed your case closely Donna, but in >> case you are ever in the situation again, why not simply stating the >> obvious? if the mac goes down the blind person can install the os her, >> or him self, as far as i know of we cant do that with windows. >> Sometimes i think that having people believing in blind persons and >> the mac is frustrating, but there are light at the end. At least if >> you live in denmark, part of that is the lower price, but it is >> simply also that the system is more stable and if it goes down you can >> install it again your self. >> >> >> best >> >> >> sandi >> >> written from her Mac mini II who have not failed her yet! :) >> >> On 4/28/13, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. >>> >>> We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call >>> with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of >>> frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases >>> interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he >>> still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of >>> employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could >>> install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to >>> run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just >>> ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows >>> about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office >>> isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why >>> that wasn't a problem. >>> >>> I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his >>> underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went >>> through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide >>> training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how >>> her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and >>> JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an >>> iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she >>> already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not >>> present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems >>> are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. >>> >>> So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that >>> the next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made >>> a small in-road. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: >>> WOOT! I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? -eric On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR > powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes > frustrating conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. > She and I were both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For mo
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
Thanks, Kerri, it was exciting. Best, Donna Sent from my iPad On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Kerri wrote: I would like to say congratulations, Donna et al. On 2013-04-28, at 12:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. > > We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call with > the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of > frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases interfere > with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he still > insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of employers > want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could install > Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to run an > installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just ignored > the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows about blind > Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office isn't > accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why that > wasn't a problem. > > I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his > underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went > through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide > training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how > her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and > JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an > iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she > already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not > present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems > are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. > > So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that the > next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made a > small in-road. > Cheers, > Donna > On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: > >> WOOT! >> I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds >> want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? >> >> -eric >> >> On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR >>> powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes frustrating >>> conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. She and I were >>> both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.go
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
Hi Kerri, Wow that surprises me. I would have thought that things in Canada would be pretty similar to things here. I've always bought my own tech, too, but I am glad that these options exist for those who can't. Best, Donna Sent from my iPad On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Kerri wrote: Please feel fortunate, we have almost no agencies here in /canada and the only way you can obtain anything is by attending school/post secondary institutions at which yo have to do extremely well, or be employed. If you want a mac, you buy it yourself around here, which is what I did. On 2013-04-28, at 1:42 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Sandi, > > I made that argument, and many others. Rehab agencies here in the U.S. are > often very reticent to purchase Macs. This comes from many factors that I > won't go into here, but it's really very hard to get them to look at anything > that isn't a Freedom Scientific--and thus Windows--product. > Best, > Donna > On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > >> hi. I will admit i have not followed your case closely Donna, but in >> case you are ever in the situation again, why not simply stating the >> obvious? if the mac goes down the blind person can install the os her, >> or him self, as far as i know of we cant do that with windows. >> Sometimes i think that having people believing in blind persons and >> the mac is frustrating, but there are light at the end. At least if >> you live in denmark, part of that is the lower price, but it is >> simply also that the system is more stable and if it goes down you can >> install it again your self. >> >> >> best >> >> >> sandi >> >> written from her Mac mini II who have not failed her yet! :) >> >> On 4/28/13, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. >>> >>> We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call >>> with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of >>> frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases >>> interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he >>> still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of >>> employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could >>> install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to >>> run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just >>> ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows >>> about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office >>> isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why >>> that wasn't a problem. >>> >>> I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his >>> underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went >>> through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide >>> training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how >>> her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and >>> JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an >>> iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she >>> already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not >>> present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems >>> are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. >>> >>> So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that >>> the next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made >>> a small in-road. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: >>> WOOT! I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? -eric On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR > powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes > frustrating conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. > She and I were both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe fr
Re: What does command option H do in Apple Mail
Thanks for that information as I was having problems reading mail on my Mac, will give that a try. Katey. Sent from my iPad On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Jamie Pauls wrote: > An alternative to disabling conversation view is to turn off quick nap and > use the right and left arrow keys to expand and collapse conversations. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:15 AM, "Chris Gilland" wrote: > >> Meh, >> >> That had nothing to do with your vo+back slash, that I can definitely assure >> you. I, too have had issues with vo+backslash not working with mail, and >> regardless people telling me left and right it consistently works, I have >> news for you and them, on my end, it definitely doesn't work reliably, case >> closed, believe it, or call me a liar, one. LOL! I finally just said to >> heck with it, and disabled conversation view. Not something I liked doing, >> believe me, but what else could I do! It wasn't working correctly, so... >> yeah... ahim... >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Jamie Pauls" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:05 PM >> Subject: What does command option H do in Apple Mail >> >> >> In my clumsiness I hit command-option H while reading messages. VO said >> "Hide others" but I have no idea what others were being referred to. A >> perusal of the menus didn't shed a whole lot of light on the subject. I did, >> however, discover how to show my list of mailboxes which was handy indeed. >> One reason why I ask this question is that the VO backslash command to >> expand and collapse conversations doesn't seem to work as reliably as it >> once did. I was wondering if my hitting command option H changed something >> related to expanding and collapsing email conversations. >> >> I've waffled on enough now and I think you all probably get the point. I >> will be quiet until someone enlightens me further. >> >> Thanks and have a great weekend. >> >> Jamie Pauls >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
hmmm. that much of a fight does indicate that they are going to be resistant to such requests in the future. The other problem is that the person making the spurious arguments about the mac doesn't want to be educated. they are still of the opinion that they know best what the blind client needs, not what they actually need. I get this a lot from my VR agency as well. They have already labeled me as uncooperative, difficult to deal with and some other things. It takes my having to threaten getting a lawyer before they listen. Oh well, if they don't want ulcers over it, they just have to grant my requests. -eric On Apr 28, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. > > We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call with > the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of > frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases interfere > with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he still > insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of employers > want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could install > Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to run an > installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just ignored > the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows about blind > Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office isn't > accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why that > wasn't a problem. > > I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his > underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went > through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide > training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how > her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and > JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an > iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she > already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not > present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems > are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. > > So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that the > next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made a > small in-road. > Cheers, > Donna > On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: > >> WOOT! >> I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds >> want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? >> >> -eric >> >> On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR >>> powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes frustrating >>> conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. She and I were >>> both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionar
How to forward delete on mac and other functions
Hello all: I came across this handy article and thought it might be of use to some. It taught me a thing or 2 I didn't know about the backspace (or delete key) as we call it on the Mac. You can make it forward delete, turn your power key into a physical forward delete key (as on Windows), and delete words and lines of text,Here's the article with more info and instructions on how to do all these tasks: http://osxdaily.com/2013/04/26/delete-key-mac-forward-del/ Hope that's helpful, Rachel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
Donna, Congrats! You got the Mac. Hopefully it'll be easier next time. On 4/28/13 13:59, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: hi. I will admit i have not followed your case closely Donna, but in case you are ever in the situation again, why not simply stating the obvious? if the mac goes down the blind person can install the os her, or him self, as far as i know of we cant do that with windows. Sometimes i think that having people believing in blind persons and the mac is frustrating, but there are light at the end. At least if you live in denmark, part of that is the lower price, but it is simply also that the system is more stable and if it goes down you can install it again your self. best sandi written from her Mac mini II who have not failed her yet! :) On 4/28/13, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Eric, Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why that wasn't a problem. I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that the next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made a small in-road. Cheers, Donna On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: WOOT! I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? -eric On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes frustrating conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. She and I were both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Scott berry email: sb356...@gmail.com Facebook: sb356607 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups
Re: Installing Mountain Lion on Partition (Probably a very basic question)
Thanks, Chris: I can grab that other external pretty easily. Would there be a way to come by a Lion installer? My Macbook came with Lion pre-installed so I wouldn't know where to get a hold of the installer. Is that a kosher question? Best, --Des -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
How to be blind episode 45
Hi everyone! A handful of us who belong to this list have released the newest How to be Blind podcast! Here is the link to the post where you can listen to the show and read the show notes. Take care! http://htb2.com/2013/04/28/episode-45-the-living-room-scorpion/ Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
swiping up and down in radium to change volume
Hey guys, ON the iPhone, I can do things like swipe up and down by touching the trackpad and then holding, then performing an option. In Radium, you can theoretically swipe up or down to adjust playback volume. This will be useful because I can set radium's volume lower than that of Voiceover. Do I need to set a trackpad commander or some kind of commander to perform this action? Also, Radium should allow to option click on a button to pause and disconnect from the source immediately. How does one option or command click on things? Ner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
read2go
Hello list I have just got a ipad and have a queston regarding sincing the read2go app between my iphone and ipad if it is possible so could somebody please tell me how to sinc the two devices so my books show up on both devices thanks in advance Wayne c -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Installing Mountain Lion on Partition (Probably a very basic question)
No problems asking. I don't recall whether pre-installed Lion on machines came with DVD installers or not. Did your machine come with some disks? If not, I think there are recipes for downloading the installer using the recovery process. CB On 4/28/13 8:38 PM, Des Delgadillo wrote: Thanks, Chris: I can grab that other external pretty easily. Would there be a way to come by a Lion installer? My Macbook came with Lion pre-installed so I wouldn't know where to get a hold of the installer. Is that a kosher question? Best, --Des -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: keyboards
Logitec K811 available at Amazon. On 4/27/2013 7:32 PM, wayne17a wrote: Hello a couple of months ther was a thread about a Logitech wireless keyboard that could be paired with three Bluetooth devices so does anybody please have the link for this keyboards thanks in advance Wayne c -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- When going the extra mile, you never run into a traffic jam. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Installing Flashplayer
Yep, sounds like everything worked perfectly and you should now have flashplayer on your system. Well done. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
Hi Eric, Yeah, I'm sure this fight will play out yet again. But, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. :) Best, donna On Apr 28, 2013, at 5:54 PM, eric oyen wrote: > hmmm. that much of a fight does indicate that they are going to be resistant > to such requests in the future. The other problem is that the person making > the spurious arguments about the mac doesn't want to be educated. they are > still of the opinion that they know best what the blind client needs, not > what they actually need. > > I get this a lot from my VR agency as well. They have already labeled me as > uncooperative, difficult to deal with and some other things. It takes my > having to threaten getting a lawyer before they listen. Oh well, if they > don't want ulcers over it, they just have to grant my requests. > > -eric > > On Apr 28, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. >> >> We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call >> with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of >> frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases >> interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he >> still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of >> employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could >> install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to >> run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just >> ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows >> about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office >> isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why >> that wasn't a problem. >> >> I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his >> underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went >> through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide >> training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how >> her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and >> JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an >> iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she >> already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not >> present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems >> are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. >> >> So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that >> the next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made >> a small in-road. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: >> >>> WOOT! >>> I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds >>> want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? >>> >>> -eric >>> >>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi all, for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes frustrating conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. She and I were both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
Hi, Donna: In other provinces, it is similar to the States but here in BC, it sure is limited. On 2013-04-28, at 2:33 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Kerri, > > Wow that surprises me. I would have thought that things in Canada would be > pretty similar to things here. I've always bought my own tech, too, but I am > glad that these options exist for those who can't. > Best, > Donna > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Kerri wrote: > > Please feel fortunate, we have almost no agencies here in /canada and the > only way you can obtain anything is by attending school/post secondary > institutions at which yo have to do extremely well, or be employed. If you > want a mac, you buy it yourself around here, which is what I did. > On 2013-04-28, at 1:42 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Sandi, >> >> I made that argument, and many others. Rehab agencies here in the U.S. are >> often very reticent to purchase Macs. This comes from many factors that I >> won't go into here, but it's really very hard to get them to look at >> anything that isn't a Freedom Scientific--and thus Windows--product. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: >> >>> hi. I will admit i have not followed your case closely Donna, but in >>> case you are ever in the situation again, why not simply stating the >>> obvious? if the mac goes down the blind person can install the os her, >>> or him self, as far as i know of we cant do that with windows. >>> Sometimes i think that having people believing in blind persons and >>> the mac is frustrating, but there are light at the end. At least if >>> you live in denmark, part of that is the lower price, but it is >>> simply also that the system is more stable and if it goes down you can >>> install it again your self. >>> >>> >>> best >>> >>> >>> sandi >>> >>> written from her Mac mini II who have not failed her yet! :) >>> >>> On 4/28/13, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Eric, Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference call with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind of frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best interest, he still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% of employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she could install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever try to run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I just ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he knows about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS Office isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about why that wasn't a problem. I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we went through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can provide training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her career,how her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows and JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using an iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course she already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would not present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both systems are basically equivalent, they could go ahead and by the Mac. So that's how it happened. I'm thrilled for the student, and hoping that the next time someone in the state requests a Mac, just maybe, we have made a small in-road. Cheers, Donna On Apr 27, 2013, at 5:36 PM, eric oyen wrote: > WOOT! > I bet that was definitely frustrating to start with. So, inquiring minds > want to know… what convinced the VR rep to acquiesce to your demands? > > -eric > > On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> for those who followed my earlier inquiry, we had a meeting with the VR >> powers that be yesterday, and after a very long, and sometimes >> frustrating conversation they agreed to purchase an MBA for my student. >> She and I were both thrilled. thanks again to all who gave input. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit t
Re: We won!!!!! Voc Rehab is buying my student a MacBook Air
hi Eric. You only been told you are difficult? oh my god, i know that the list of things i been told i am from the handicap organization in denmark is longer than that. And yes i have found out too that saying that you will call your lawyer does actually help quite a bit. For me it dont help matters that i have gone from blind too nearly fully sighted. Sometimes it is like that the persons who are actually there too help you, are not educated enough about the matter, i ended up having too buy all my tech, plus books for the nursing education, how i did that well lets leave that one alone. I know that my ideal setup will be a mac mini with an vmware windows vista or 7 32 bit thing for the scanner. So far that have costed me about $18000 and if i knew how hard it would be i had most likely not done it too start with. But it will be worth it in the end. Donna congrats on you and your clients thrillingness! that you got your will in the end is a good thing should there be a repetition later. Then they gotyour case too fall back on. best sandi On 4/29/13, Kerri wrote: > Hi, Donna: > > In other provinces, it is similar to the States but here in BC, it sure is > limited. > On 2013-04-28, at 2:33 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Kerri, >> >> Wow that surprises me. I would have thought that things in Canada would >> be pretty similar to things here. I've always bought my own tech, too, >> but I am glad that these options exist for those who can't. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Kerri wrote: >> >> Please feel fortunate, we have almost no agencies here in /canada and the >> only way you can obtain anything is by attending school/post secondary >> institutions at which yo have to do extremely well, or be employed. If you >> want a mac, you buy it yourself around here, which is what I did. >> On 2013-04-28, at 1:42 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Sandi, >>> >>> I made that argument, and many others. Rehab agencies here in the U.S. >>> are often very reticent to purchase Macs. This comes from many factors >>> that I won't go into here, but it's really very hard to get them to look >>> at anything that isn't a Freedom Scientific--and thus Windows--product. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse >>> wrote: >>> hi. I will admit i have not followed your case closely Donna, but in case you are ever in the situation again, why not simply stating the obvious? if the mac goes down the blind person can install the os her, or him self, as far as i know of we cant do that with windows. Sometimes i think that having people believing in blind persons and the mac is frustrating, but there are light at the end. At least if you live in denmark, part of that is the lower price, but it is simply also that the system is more stable and if it goes down you can install it again your self. best sandi written from her Mac mini II who have not failed her yet! :) On 4/28/13, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Well, the short answer is that we went over his head. > > We filed a complaint with the state, which resulted in a conference > call > with the boss of the people who made the decision. the guy was kind > of > frustrating. Initially he accused me of letting my personal biases > interfere with making a decision that was in the student's best > interest, he > still insisted that Windows is the better choice b/c that is what 90% > of > employers want, and when I said that if she ever really had to, she > could > install Windows on her Mac, he said that no blind person should ever > try to > run an installation of Windows on a Mac, because it's too difficult. I > just > ignored the latter, but I thought it said a lot about how little he > knows > about blind Mac users. He was also very hung up on the fact that MS > Office > isn't accessible on the Mac, and I had to spend some time talking about > why > that wasn't a problem. > > I think mostly the conference call was a show for the benefit of his > underlings, so that it didn't look like he just overruled them. So we > went > through all the points, that we do have Macs on campus, that I can > provide > training and support, that a Mac is an appropriate choice for her > career,how > her exposure to a Mac was pretty much even with her exposure to Windows > and > JAWS, etc. Toward the end of the call he pontificated about how using > an > iPad or iPhone isn't the same as using an actual Mac--which of course > she > already understood--and then said that given that having a Mac would > not > present employment issues, and given that her experiences with both > systems > are basically equiv
