Anyone managed successfully drag and drop with Voiceover?

[Victor Tsaran]

Hello all,
I know there are methods for dragging and dropping items with Voiceover, 
however, did anyone actually managed to get them work? In particular, 
Voiceover tends to cancel the drag-n-drop action once I, say, interact 
with an object which I am dragging into.
For example, what would be the steps to drag an item from one table into 
another?


Thanks for any help.
Vic

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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Oriol Gómez]

I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
macintosh hd.
Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.

On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
> for each gets me by just fine.
>
> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>
>
> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>
>> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
>> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
>> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
>>
>> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
>>> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
>>> My
>>> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
>>> Sarah Alawami
>>>
>>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
>>> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
>>> my
>>> info is below.
>>>
>>> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>>
 Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
 looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
 difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.

 On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
> i know
>
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>
>> If it is, you're screwed.
>>
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>
>> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>
>>> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
>>> are.
>>>
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>>
>>> i can't say yet
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>>
 Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
 gigs
>>> of
 ram.

 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion

 i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.

 On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
> the
 task. :(
>
> -Eric
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>
>> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta
>> testers?
>>> This
 is very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It
 needs
>>> to
 be tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers
 etc,
>>> I'm
 not sure if there are any blind VoiceOver  beta testers of  Lion.
>>
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Re: jabber client

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I use a jabber client which is already on your mac as when I first set
up I chat it wanted to know what account I wanted and jabber was one of
them.  My brother-in-law helped me to set it up and you can write to him
at m...@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com and explain that you want help with how
to set up your jabber account as I'm sure he'll be able to help you.

Kawal.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:44 +0100, "Html-man" 
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> does someone know if there's an accessible jabber client which would let
> do a service discovery? That's because I'm trying to link my jabber
> account to my msn one, so I'll be able to use it with iChat instead of
> Adium.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Html-man
> 
> msn: html-...@libero.it
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Transferring files from BrailleNote Apex to Mac

[Michael Busboom]

Yes, that is what I mean. It has a "standard" qwerty keyboard.

Thanks,

Mike

On 27,Feb,2011, at 1:18 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> I am a bit confused. The mPower, Apex, PK, and Classic all have the
> same commands. Do you mean you have a QT model (one with a standard
> computer keyboard) instead of a braille keyboard?
> 
> On 2/26/11, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>> My sincerest thanks to all who have so kindly given me some advice. I will
>> need to find some of the equivalents for the Apex. For instance, Dots 2 3
>> and five for the BN must certainly have an equivalent for the Apex. At any
>> rate, my sincerest thanks to all once again!
>> 
>> Mike
>> have
>> On 21,Feb,2011, at 4:34 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> What I would do is the following:
>>> 1. On a thumb drive or sd card, create the three folders you will
>>> want. They will be empty for now.
>>> 2. On the bn, insert the storage device, then go to file manager, then
>>> translate, then export.
>>> 3. Select the first folder of files. Once at the "document to
>>> translate" prompt, simply hit space twice, then enter with dots 2 3 5
>>> 6 to mark all files. Hit enter.
>>> 4. Select the corresponding folder on the storage device as the
>>> destination and proceed as normal from there. Repeat for the other two
>>> folders.
>>> 
>>> On 2/20/11, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
 You can also convert them to .doc files, save them to an sd or usb drive,
 then just plug that into your mac and there you go.
 On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 I have a lot of work-related files on my BrailleNote Apex and want to
 transfer them to my office computer, which is a Mac Book Pro.  I know
 that
 in Windows, you have to use some special program, but I am wondering if
 there isn't an easier way on the Mac.  I'd like to transfer three
 different
 folders in their entirety from the Apex to the Mac Book Pro.
 
 Thanks and have a relaxing Sunday, everyone!
 
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Re: Two questions about Audio Hijack

[Michael Busboom]

Hello Darcy,

When I try to interact with the toolbar, VO just beeps at me. 

Can I delete the second Skype entry in the usual way, i.e. pressing the 
backspace key?  I guess I'm afraid to try it without knowing for sure that I 
won't irreparably break anything else. :)

Thank you,

Mike

On 27,Feb,2011, at 11:18 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Hi Mike.  That script will hijack the first item in your sessions list that 
> includes the name skype.  So as long as you have one session called skype, it 
> will work.  As for VO not interacting with the toolbar, that's a puzzle.  
> What happens when you try to interact with it?
> Darcy
> 
> On 2011-02-27, at 3:51 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> A very kind person on this list helped me create a macro that automatically 
>> starts Audio Hijack and selects Skype to hijack.  Though the macro still 
>> works perfectly, and I use it almost every day, two things have started to 
>> occur that I don't understand.
>> 
>> 1. In the component session, there are now two entries for Skype, and I 
>> never know which one of these components is actually hijacking the Skype 
>> audio.  I used to be able to determine this, but no longer.
>> 
>> 2.  Voice Over no longer interacts with the Audio Hijack toolbar in either 
>> Skype entry in the components table.
>> 
>> Thus: Is it possible to erase one of the Skype entries?  And can I do 
>> something to once again make VO interact with the toolbar so that I can 
>> split recordings, etc.?  Lastly, if I can somehow erase one of the Skype 
>> entries in the components table, will my macro still work? 
>> 
>> Thanks a million,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

I hope you obtained your copy of Lion legally (i.e. as a developer). If not 
asking for help on this list would not be appropriate. Any software obtained 
illegally is of course pirating and in many countries violates all matter of 
laws.

Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
> macintosh hd.
> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
> 
> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>> for each gets me by just fine.
>> 
>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
>>> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
>>> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
>>> 
>>> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
 fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
 My
 mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
 Sarah Alawami
 
 If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
 http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
 my
 info is below.
 
 MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
 
 website: http://music.marrie.org
 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
 youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
> 
> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>> i know
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> If it is, you're screwed.
>>> 
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>> 
>>> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
 are.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i can't say yet
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
> gigs
 of
> ram.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
> 
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>> the
> task. :(
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta
>>> testers?
 This
> is very important, considering this

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Kaare Dehard]

it's a developer version, so let them know it's hastling you. As the eventual 
consumer, I'll love ya for it man.
On 2011-02-28, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
> macintosh hd.
> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
> 
> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>> for each gets me by just fine.
>> 
>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
>>> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
>>> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
>>> 
>>> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
 fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
 My
 mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
 Sarah Alawami
 
 If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
 http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
 my
 info is below.
 
 MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
 
 website: http://music.marrie.org
 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
 youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
> 
> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>> i know
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> If it is, you're screwed.
>>> 
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>> 
>>> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
 are.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i can't say yet
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
> gigs
 of
> ram.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
> 
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>> the
> task. :(
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta
>>> testers?
 This
> is very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It
> needs
 to
> be tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers
>>

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Oriol Gómez]

Scott,
It is ridiculous how you accused me for doing something you don't even
know if I did.
Just wow.

On 2/28/11, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
> it's a developer version, so let them know it's hastling you. As the
> eventual consumer, I'll love ya for it man.
> On 2011-02-28, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>> macintosh hd.
>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>>
>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram
>>> with
>>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then
>>> 2
>>> for each gets me by just fine.
>>>
>>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>>
 If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
 your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
 bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.

 On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant
> the
> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4
> gigs.
> My
> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
> Sarah Alawami
>
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
> my
> info is below.
>
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
>
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>
>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>>
>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i know
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>>
 If it is, you're screwed.

 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion

 i hope that it isn't over 1 gb

 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
> are.
>
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>
> i can't say yet
>
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>
>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with
>> two
>> gigs
> of
>> ram.
>>
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
>> Misch
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>
>> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>>> the
>> task. :(
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>
 Wonde

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

If it were a developer version, it seems unlikely he would be asking for help 
here and especially when APple provides a lot of information for developers. 
Being a beta it may not be possible to install over an existing SL installation.
Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> it's a developer version, so let them know it's hastling you. As the eventual 
> consumer, I'll love ya for it man.
> On 2011-02-28, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>> macintosh hd.
>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>> 
>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>>> for each gets me by just fine.
>>> 
>>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
 your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
 bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
 
 On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
> My
> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
> my
> info is below.
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>> 
>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i know
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 If it is, you're screwed.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
> are.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i can't say yet
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
>> gigs
> of
>> ram.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>>> the

Re: Anyone managed successfully drag and drop with Voiceover?

[Matthew Campbell]

Hello Victor.
I use drag and drop all of the time in iTunes to drag and drop music and 
playlists on to my iPhone.
Here are the steps I use to do this.
First I move to what I want to drag. Cursor tracking is always on.
Next, I highlight what I want with the mouse by pressing VO + Command + f5. VO 
will not always report what is highlighted properly but just ignore it's 
ramblings.
THe next thing I will do is press VO +command + shift + space. THis performs a 
mouse down command.
Next, I will turn off cursor tracking, navigate to where I wish to drop the 
music or playlists. I use the VO and arrow keys to do this since cursor 
tracking is turned off.
Finally I will use VO + Command+ F5 to move the mouse to the drop point. You 
will here a small wooshing sound if you listen hard enough.
Finally, I'll press VO + Command + Shift + Space to release the mouse and drop 
the dragged object.
This works 100% of the time.
This can be a bit tricky to master at first because of the number of steps that 
need to be taken.
Please let me know if this helps.
Please note. I've only used this in itunes so Whether or not this works the 
same way in other apps I don't know.
Hope this helps.


On 2011-02-28, at 3:16 AM, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Hello all,
> I know there are methods for dragging and dropping items with Voiceover, 
> however, did anyone actually managed to get them work? In particular, 
> Voiceover tends to cancel the drag-n-drop action once I, say, interact with 
> an object which I am dragging into.
> For example, what would be the steps to drag an item from one table into 
> another?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> Vic
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Check out my new album on iTunes at
> http://ax.itunes.apple.com/us/artist/victor-tsaran/id344507896
> 
> 
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

I did not accuse you of anything at all. I merely made a statement and if you 
feel as though I was accusing you of obtaining illegal software, that was not 
my intent. There has been such conduct in the past, so merely making a 
statement.
Understand it is unusual for a developer to ask such questions in this type of 
forum in my opinion.
Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> Scott,
> It is ridiculous how you accused me for doing something you don't even
> know if I did.
> Just wow.
> 
> On 2/28/11, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>> it's a developer version, so let them know it's hastling you. As the
>> eventual consumer, I'll love ya for it man.
>> On 2011-02-28, at 3:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>>> macintosh hd.
>>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>>> 
>>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
 I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram
 with
 sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
 something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then
 2
 for each gets me by just fine.
 
 Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
 have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
 over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
 computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
 
 
 On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
> 
> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant
>> the
>> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4
>> gigs.
>> My
>> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
>> Sarah Alawami
>> 
>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
>> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
>> my
>> info is below.
>> 
>> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
>> 
>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>>> 
>>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
 i know
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> If it is, you're screwed.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
>> are.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i can't say yet
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with
>>> two
>>> gigs
>> of
>>> ram.
>>> 
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
>

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[M. Taylor]

Did I miss something on here?

Is there a new OS out?

How may I obtain it?

Mark 
On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
> macintosh hd.
> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
> 
> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>> for each gets me by just fine.
>> 
>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
>>> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
>>> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
>>> 
>>> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
 fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
 My
 mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
 Sarah Alawami
 
 If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
 http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
 my
 info is below.
 
 MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
 
 website: http://music.marrie.org
 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
 youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
> 
> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>> i know
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> If it is, you're screwed.
>>> 
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>> 
>>> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
 are.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i can't say yet
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
> gigs
 of
> ram.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
> 
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>> the
> task. :(
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta
>>> testers?
 This
> is very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It
> needs
 to
> be tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers
> etc,
 I'm
>>

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Matthew Campbell]

The only new OS thats out is a developer preview of the next release of Mac OS 
X.

On 2011-02-28, at 10:07 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Did I miss something on here?
> 
> Is there a new OS out?
> 
> How may I obtain it?
> 
> Mark 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>> macintosh hd.
>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>> 
>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>>> for each gets me by just fine.
>>> 
>>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
 your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
 bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
 
 On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
> My
> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
> my
> info is below.
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>> 
>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i know
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 If it is, you're screwed.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
> are.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i can't say yet
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
>> gigs
> of
>> ram.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to
>>> the
>> task. :(
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>> 
 Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOv

Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Bryan Jones]

Hey Mark, or should I call you Rip Van Winkle? 

Apple has released a beta of OSX 10.7, also known as Lion.
You can get it by registering as an Apple Developer and paying US $99 for the 
OSX dev tools.
If you're not already an Apple Developer, you can get started here: 
http://developer.apple.com/programs/register/

Have fun!
Bryan

On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:07 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Did I miss something on here?
> 
> Is there a new OS out?
> 
> How may I obtain it?
> 
> Mark 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>> macintosh hd.
>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>> 
>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>>> for each gets me by just fine.
>>> 
>>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
 your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
 bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
 
 On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
> My
> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
> my
> info is below.
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>> 
>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i know
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 If it is, you're screwed.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
> are.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i can't say yet
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
>> gigs
> of
>> ram.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to be o

waiting on an adapter

[Joseph Norton]

Hi:

I have just ordered a new Mac Mini and can't wait to try it out.  I saw one at 
the store in Chattanooga (a Best Buy store) and was impressed with the overall 
responsiveness of VoiceOver.  This, in spite of using a high-quality voice, 
such as Alex.  When I use a high-quality voice on Windows, I get no such 
performance.  

One small problem.

I don't have a display I can plug in.  I have a VGA monitor and have ordered, 
after the fact, the mini display port to vga adapter which should allow me to 
plug in my monitor once it arrives.

However, it most likely will arrive 3 or more days after the Mac Mini arrives 
here.

Mike arrigo has told me, already, that VoiceOver will perform sluggishly 
without a display connected.

Mike, feel free to chime in here, if you wish, but, input from other users is 
appreciated.

How sluggish will it be.  Will it be to the point that I need to go have a 
snack while I press arrow keys or perform VO commands, or, can I maybe live 
with it for 3 or 4 days?

Have any of you played with this and maybe gotten arround it, at least 
temporarily?

Any help is much appreciated.


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Re: waiting on an adapter

[Matthew Campbell]

It's a little slugish but you should be able to live with it for a few days.
On 2011-02-28, at 10:25 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi:
>  
> I have just ordered a new Mac Mini and can't wait to try it out.  I saw one 
> at the store in Chattanooga (a Best Buy store) and was impressed with the 
> overall responsiveness of VoiceOver.  This, in spite of using a high-quality 
> voice, such as Alex.  When I use a high-quality voice on Windows, I get no 
> such performance. 
>  
> One small problem.
>  
> I don't have a display I can plug in.  I have a VGA monitor and have ordered, 
> after the fact, the mini display port to vga adapter which should allow me to 
> plug in my monitor once it arrives.
>  
> However, it most likely will arrive 3 or more days after the Mac Mini arrives 
> here.
>  
> Mike arrigo has told me, already, that VoiceOver will perform sluggishly 
> without a display connected.
>  
> Mike, feel free to chime in here, if you wish, but, input from other users is 
> appreciated.
>  
> How sluggish will it be.  Will it be to the point that I need to go have a 
> snack while I press arrow keys or perform VO commands, or, can I maybe live 
> with it for 3 or 4 days?
>  
> Have any of you played with this and maybe gotten arround it, at least 
> temporarily?
>  
> Any help is much appreciated.
> 
> 
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[Scott Howell]

Mark,

Lion will not be out until sometime during the SUmmer. Apparently Oriol has 
obtained a copy that he is attempting to install and having some difficulties. 
A developer, there will be resources that will assist him in dealing with 
installation problems. If you are a developer you can of course obtain a copy, 
but there is a fee to become a developer.

Scott





On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:07 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Did I miss something on here?
> 
> Is there a new OS out?
> 
> How may I obtain it?
> 
> Mark 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to install OSX lion on my 2010 macbook pro, and it gives me
>> an error after preparing to install. Am I dong something wrong? I'm
>> just installing the system in the same partition as my current one,
>> macintosh hd.
>> Should I be doing something different? I didn't make any changes when
>> I burned the disk image, I simply burned it with disk utility.
>> 
>> On 2/27/11, T wood  wrote:
>>> I highly doubt it. I would really like to actually see all 4 gb of ram with
>>> sl being used. I've tried and the most I can get it up to is 2 point
>>> something. Fusion, I can see if you had a virtual machine, but even then 2
>>> for each gets me by just fine.
>>> 
>>> Yet again, the price of the ssd was absolutely rediculous. Considering I
>>> have a lot of things I like to bring with me, going to the 512 gb ssd for
>>> over 500 dollars was crazy. Yes, I did want a bad (insert language here)
>>> computer, but I just couldn't justify it, battery life increase or not.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2011-02-25, at 4:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
 your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
 bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
 
 On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs.
> My
> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me
> my
> info is below.
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>> 
>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i know
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 If it is, you're screwed.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements
> are.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i can't say yet
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
>> gigs
> of
>> ram.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>

sparrow e mail client

[baker420]

hi has anyone tried sparrow yet
i could create my account but could not read messages wasn't accessible

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Re: waiting on an adapter

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Joseph,

Congrats on your new mini! I have one and love it. Here's one thing you might 
consider trying If the sluggishness of VO becomes too painful before your VGA 
adapter arrives: If you have a TV or other device with an HDMI input, you might 
try connecting it to your mini via the HDMI port that comes standard on the 
latest minis. I haven't personally tried to do this as I have a monitor with a 
DVI input and so I use the included HDMI to DVI adapter. If you do decide to 
try this, here's an Apple knowledgebase article about the mid 2010 mini's HDMI 
capabilities:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4214

HTH,
Bryan

On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi:
>  
> I have just ordered a new Mac Mini and can't wait to try it out.  I saw one 
> at the store in Chattanooga (a Best Buy store) and was impressed with the 
> overall responsiveness of VoiceOver.  This, in spite of using a high-quality 
> voice, such as Alex.  When I use a high-quality voice on Windows, I get no 
> such performance. 
>  
> One small problem.
>  
> I don't have a display I can plug in.  I have a VGA monitor and have ordered, 
> after the fact, the mini display port to vga adapter which should allow me to 
> plug in my monitor once it arrives.
>  
> However, it most likely will arrive 3 or more days after the Mac Mini arrives 
> here.
>  
> Mike arrigo has told me, already, that VoiceOver will perform sluggishly 
> without a display connected.
>  
> Mike, feel free to chime in here, if you wish, but, input from other users is 
> appreciated.
>  
> How sluggish will it be.  Will it be to the point that I need to go have a 
> snack while I press arrow keys or perform VO commands, or, can I maybe live 
> with it for 3 or 4 days?
>  
> Have any of you played with this and maybe gotten arround it, at least 
> temporarily?
>  
> Any help is much appreciated.
> 
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Re: waiting on an adapter

[Joseph Norton]

Thanks.

I would try that, but, our TV is several years old with an F connector.

But, I am going to try running headless for a few days and see what happens.


- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Jones" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: waiting on an adapter


Hi Joseph,

Congrats on your new mini! I have one and love it. Here's one thing you 
might consider trying If the sluggishness of VO becomes too painful before 
your VGA adapter arrives: If you have a TV or other device with an HDMI 
input, you might try connecting it to your mini via the HDMI port that comes 
standard on the latest minis. I haven't personally tried to do this as I 
have a monitor with a DVI input and so I use the included HDMI to DVI 
adapter. If you do decide to try this, here's an Apple knowledgebase article 
about the mid 2010 mini's HDMI capabilities:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4214

HTH,
Bryan

On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:


Hi:

I have just ordered a new Mac Mini and can't wait to try it out.  I saw 
one at the store in Chattanooga (a Best Buy store) and was impressed with 
the overall responsiveness of VoiceOver.  This, in spite of using a 
high-quality voice, such as Alex.  When I use a high-quality voice on 
Windows, I get no such performance.


One small problem.

I don't have a display I can plug in.  I have a VGA monitor and have 
ordered, after the fact, the mini display port to vga adapter which should 
allow me to plug in my monitor once it arrives.


However, it most likely will arrive 3 or more days after the Mac Mini 
arrives here.


Mike arrigo has told me, already, that VoiceOver will perform sluggishly 
without a display connected.


Mike, feel free to chime in here, if you wish, but, input from other users 
is appreciated.


How sluggish will it be.  Will it be to the point that I need to go have a 
snack while I press arrow keys or perform VO commands, or, can I maybe 
live with it for 3 or 4 days?


Have any of you played with this and maybe gotten arround it, at least 
temporarily?


Any help is much appreciated.


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do you need a screen with a mac?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: 
do you need a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work 
right? It almost sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and 
slower.  My Windows pc has almost never had a monitor hooked up, 
which is a huge space saver at college and when transporting 
things between home and my dorm.  Would a mac be able to function 
the same way?


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
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Re: sparrow e mail client

[Krister Ekstrom]

Yep, i tried Sparrow lite and came to the same conclution. You can sorta read 
your emails, if you know how to select them but the trick is to select the 
messages since all that's showing is an empty scroll area. Does anyone know a 
way to contact the developers about this? The feedback form on their site 
require that you fill in a captcha without audio.
/Krister

28 feb 2011 kl. 17.28 skrev baker420:

> hi has anyone tried sparrow yet
> i could create my account but could not read messages wasn't accessible
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Re: Using CD Drive with another computer

[Jane]

Thanks for the idea. I hadn't even thought of that!

Jane


On Feb 27, 2011, at 7:22 PM, LaMcAs wrote:

> Not 100% sure as you are using a mac but when wanting to install a program
> on say a netbook which do not have a drive I copy the contents of the cd
> onto a usb drive and then plug it in to the netbook and find the setup or
> install file and install from there.
> 
> 
> Larry & Elliot GD (Guide Dog)
> London, UK
> 
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> Sent: 27 February 2011 16:56
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Using CD Drive with another computer
> 
> I want to install some stuff on a CD onto my Windows computer which doesn't
> have a CD drive.  How can I do this using my Mac Mini's CD/DVD drive?
> 
> Jane
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Re: ripping audio book from cd

[Jane]

Doing this just now.

1. Insert CD.

2.  If it asks to import tell it no.

3.  Go to the table with the tracks and hit command-a to select all.

4.  Go to Advanced and arrow down to join tracks.

5.  Go back to Advanced and hit create (whatever you have import set to create.)

6.  Let it run.  iTunes will do tha tlittle chime, then the CD will eventually 
stop spinning.  Then eject the CD and go to the next one.  Repeat all these 
steps till the CD is ripped.

Then.

1. Go to the Music library.

2.  Locate the tracks you want to change and do command-i on all of them.  You 
can then make sure the author is set to the correct one and the album title is 
set correctly and that the genre is audio book.

2.  Then go into Audio books and change track information to put them in order.

Jane
On Feb 27, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi guys:
> Ok, I checked this in archives, and it seems like there's not a simple way to 
> rip a multi cd book using just itunes.  What I tried to do was to import the 
> CD's and then change their track names and sorting.  But, no luck there.  If 
> anyone can suggest the simplest and most foolproof way to do this, I'd be 
> ever grateful.
> TIa and enjoy your evening/morning/day.:)
> 
> Carolyn H
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Removing loops in GarageBand...

[David Hole]

Hi folks.
Yes, that's the question...
Is it possible, and if so, how can I remove the loops in GarageBand?
They just takes place, and clutters up my loop library :(
Med vennlig hilsen
David Hole !

Veni, Vidi, Vici

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Just a quick note on Apple's order process

[Joseph Norton]

Hi list:

After I ordered my Mac Mini, I called the 800 number to ask a question about 
shipping.

In the course of the conversation, the Apple rep told me that, because I had 
custom configured my Mini, they do the configuration in China and then ship it 
from there.

If I had ordered one without any customization, they would, apparently, have 
been able to ship from their warehouse.

Strange!


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Shortcut to get in bookmarks Safari OSX

[RvR]

Hello everybody,
Does any one know if there is a shortcut to land directly in the list of 
bookmarks of Safari in OSX? Only shortcut I know of is command+shift+b.
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks much.
Ronald

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Re: Just a quick note on Apple's order process

[Rose Morales]

Nope. I got my mbp custom configured. It shipped from China as well. Same for 
my other friends who got their macs shipped. It only takes two days to get to 
you though, and the shipping's free.
Hth,
Rose
On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi list:
>  
> After I ordered my Mac Mini, I called the 800 number to ask a question about 
> shipping.
>  
> In the course of the conversation, the Apple rep told me that, because I had 
> custom configured my Mini, they do the configuration in China and then ship 
> it from there.
>  
> If I had ordered one without any customization, they would, apparently, have 
> been able to ship from their warehouse.
>  
> Strange!
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Registering as an Apple Developer...

[David Hole]

Hi.
I try to register as an Apple Developer here:
http://developer.apple.com/programs/start/register/create.php
When I try to type in my phone number, the form won't accept it...
It says I need "Country Code, Area/City Code, Number, Extension"
There are different fields for every one of this.
How should I type them to get it work?
I know only my country-code wich is +47 for Norway... :(
Med vennlig hilsen
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Re: Just a quick note on Apple's order process

[E.J. Zufelt]

This doesn't sound all that strange to me at all.  Years ago when working for 
Fujitsu our recommended configurations shipped from California and our custom 
units shipped from Japan.  That being said, if we were out of stock on 
recommended configurations in the U.S. they shipped from Japan as well.


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On 2011-02-28, at 12:57 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi list:
>  
> After I ordered my Mac Mini, I called the 800 number to ask a question about 
> shipping.
>  
> In the course of the conversation, the Apple rep told me that, because I had 
> custom configured my Mini, they do the configuration in China and then ship 
> it from there.
>  
> If I had ordered one without any customization, they would, apparently, have 
> been able to ship from their warehouse.
>  
> Strange!
> 
> 
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> database 5914 (20110228) __
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Re: Just a quick note on Apple's order process

[Ricardo Walker]

I'm not sure whats so strange about it?

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi list:
>  
> After I ordered my Mac Mini, I called the 800 number to ask a question about 
> shipping.
>  
> In the course of the conversation, the Apple rep told me that, because I had 
> custom configured my Mini, they do the configuration in China and then ship 
> it from there.
>  
> If I had ordered one without any customization, they would, apparently, have 
> been able to ship from their warehouse.
>  
> Strange!
> 
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> database 5914 (20110228) __
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Re: Just a quick note on Apple's order process

[Esther]

Hi,

Just a quick note to state that some simple configurations, such as more 
memory, can be handled by staff if you purchase directly from the Apple Store.  
Basically, all standard configurations are pre-packaged.  However, if you buy a 
new laptop and want to max out the memory, an Apple Store can replace the 
memory for you and credit you with the difference.  Since Apple memory is more 
expensive, you might not want to do this unless you are also getting an 
educational discount on the purchase -- which would also apply to the memory.  
However, this can be a useful feature.   This doesn't apply to elements such as 
hard drives, and it certainly wouldn't apply to memory upgrades that can't be 
handled by a simple substitution.  For example, the MacBook Air models require 
that your memory be specified at the time of order, and the initial memory 
cannot be upgraded, because these modules are hard-socketed in the device.  So 
if you want to max out memory, you must do so with a custom order.  I'm also 
not sure whether memory for the Mac Mini's can easily be uprgraded at purchase, 
since it requires considerably more work to open the case to access the memory 
slot.  Finally, I will remind list readers that, at least for the iMac, the 
standard keyboard option is now the short version of the keyboard without 
number pad.  If you want to order your iMac with a full-size keyboard with 
number pad, you have to specify this in your online order.  It may be possible 
to swap for full-size keyboard at the time of purchase if you buy your iMac at 
an Apple Store -- I don't know whether this is the case.  However, it does 
require that they open the box to swap your keyboard, since all pre-boxed iMacs 
come with the shorter keyboards.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 28, 2011, at 08:51, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> I'm not sure whats so strange about it?
> 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:
> 
>> Hi list:
>> 
>> After I ordered my Mac Mini, I called the 800 number to ask a question about 
>> shipping.
>> 
>> In the course of the conversation, the Apple rep told me that, because I had 
>> custom configured my Mini, they do the configuration in China and then ship 
>> it from there.
>> 
>> If I had ordered one without any customization, they would, apparently, have 
>> been able to ship from their warehouse.
>> 
>> Strange!
>> 

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Re: Just a quick note on Apple's order process

[Sarah Alawami]

Oh wow yeah mine took a week lol! I think I had mine customased but I can't 
remember lol!
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On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Rose Morales wrote:

> Nope. I got my mbp custom configured. It shipped from China as well. Same for 
> my other friends who got their macs shipped. It only takes two days to get to 
> you though, and the shipping's free.
> Hth,
> Rose
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:
> 
>> Hi list:
>>  
>> After I ordered my Mac Mini, I called the 800 number to ask a question about 
>> shipping.
>>  
>> In the course of the conversation, the Apple rep told me that, because I had 
>> custom configured my Mini, they do the configuration in China and then ship 
>> it from there.
>>  
>> If I had ordered one without any customization, they would, apparently, have 
>> been able to ship from their warehouse.
>>  
>> Strange!
>> 
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Re: do you need a screen with a mac?

[Sarah Alawami]

Probably not on a mini. not sure about the pros or the imacks.

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> Hi all,
> After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: do you need 
> a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work right? It almost 
> sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and slower.  My Windows pc has 
> almost never had a monitor hooked up, which is a huge space saver at college 
> and when transporting things between home and my dorm.  Would a mac be able 
> to function the same way?
> 
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Re: Two questions about Audio Hijack

[Sarah Alawami]

Hello. to del a session it's not the del key but the cmd del. you should be 
fine wiht removing the second skype session. I don't know why it would have 
created it though.

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 1:34 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Hello Darcy,
> 
> When I try to interact with the toolbar, VO just beeps at me. 
> 
> Can I delete the second Skype entry in the usual way, i.e. pressing the 
> backspace key?  I guess I'm afraid to try it without knowing for sure that I 
> won't irreparably break anything else. :)
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 27,Feb,2011, at 11:18 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike.  That script will hijack the first item in your sessions list that 
>> includes the name skype.  So as long as you have one session called skype, 
>> it will work.  As for VO not interacting with the toolbar, that's a puzzle.  
>> What happens when you try to interact with it?
>> Darcy
>> 
>> On 2011-02-27, at 3:51 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> A very kind person on this list helped me create a macro that automatically 
>>> starts Audio Hijack and selects Skype to hijack.  Though the macro still 
>>> works perfectly, and I use it almost every day, two things have started to 
>>> occur that I don't understand.
>>> 
>>> 1. In the component session, there are now two entries for Skype, and I 
>>> never know which one of these components is actually hijacking the Skype 
>>> audio.  I used to be able to determine this, but no longer.
>>> 
>>> 2.  Voice Over no longer interacts with the Audio Hijack toolbar in either 
>>> Skype entry in the components table.
>>> 
>>> Thus: Is it possible to erase one of the Skype entries?  And can I do 
>>> something to once again make VO interact with the toolbar so that I can 
>>> split recordings, etc.?  Lastly, if I can somehow erase one of the Skype 
>>> entries in the components table, will my macro still work? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks a million,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: do you need a screen with a mac?

[Ricardo Walker]

No.

Definitely on a mini.  An iMac is a monitor with the computer built in.  I'm 
not sure about the mac pros though.

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Probably not on a mini. not sure about the pros or the imacks.
> 
> Good luck and take care.
> Sarah Alawami
> 
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> 
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> 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: do you need 
>> a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work right? It almost 
>> sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and slower.  My Windows pc has 
>> almost never had a monitor hooked up, which is a huge space saver at college 
>> and when transporting things between home and my dorm.  Would a mac be able 
>> to function the same way?
>> 
>> Have a great day,
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Re: do you need a screen with a mac?

[Alex Hall]

So the mini (what I would get were I buying a new machine) requires a
screen then? Too bad.

On 2/28/11, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> No.
>
> Definitely on a mini.  An iMac is a monitor with the computer built in.  I'm
> not sure about the mac pros though.
>
> Ricardo Walker
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>
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>
>> Probably not on a mini. not sure about the pros or the imacks.
>>
>> Good luck and take care.
>> Sarah Alawami
>>
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>> info is below.
>>
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>>
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>>
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: do you
>>> need a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work right? It
>>> almost sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and slower.  My Windows
>>> pc has almost never had a monitor hooked up, which is a huge space saver
>>> at college and when transporting things between home and my dorm.  Would
>>> a mac be able to function the same way?
>>>
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
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Re: do you need a screen with a mac?

[Ricardo Walker]

Correct,

For voiceover to work properly you will need to connect a monitor.

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> So the mini (what I would get were I buying a new machine) requires a
> screen then? Too bad.
> 
> On 2/28/11, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> No.
>> 
>> Definitely on a mini.  An iMac is a monitor with the computer built in.  I'm
>> not sure about the mac pros though.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> Probably not on a mini. not sure about the pros or the imacks.
>>> 
>>> Good luck and take care.
>>> Sarah Alawami
>>> 
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>>> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my
>>> info is below.
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: do you
 need a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work right? It
 almost sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and slower.  My Windows
 pc has almost never had a monitor hooked up, which is a huge space saver
 at college and when transporting things between home and my dorm.  Would
 a mac be able to function the same way?
 
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Adding RAM to the new Mac Mini [Was Re: Just a quick note on Apple's order process]

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Esther and All,

I just wanted to add a note to clarify that the new Mac Mini, sometimes called 
the "Mid 2010" or "Unibody" model, has a vastly simplified process for adding 
and removing RAM. I know the older Minis required putty knives and hammers and 
sometimes chainsaws to accomplish this, but now no tools are required.
Here's Apple's knowledgebase article regarding RAM and the Mac Minis:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4432#1

HTH,
Bryan

On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Esther wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just a quick note to state that some simple configurations, such as more 
> memory, can be handled by staff if you purchase directly from the Apple 
> Store.  Basically, all standard configurations are pre-packaged.  However, if 
> you buy a new laptop and want to max out the memory, an Apple Store can 
> replace the memory for you and credit you with the difference.  Since Apple 
> memory is more expensive, you might not want to do this unless you are also 
> getting an educational discount on the purchase -- which would also apply to 
> the memory.  However, this can be a useful feature.   This doesn't apply to 
> elements such as hard drives, and it certainly wouldn't apply to memory 
> upgrades that can't be handled by a simple substitution.  For example, the 
> MacBook Air models require that your memory be specified at the time of 
> order, and the initial memory cannot be upgraded, because these modules are 
> hard-socketed in the device.  So if you want to max out memory, you must do 
> so with a custom order.  I'm also not sure whether memory for the Mac Mini's 
> can easily be uprgraded at purchase, since it requires considerably more work 
> to open the case to access the memory slot.  Finally, I will remind list 
> readers that, at least for the iMac, the standard keyboard option is now the 
> short version of the keyboard without number pad.  If you want to order your 
> iMac with a full-size keyboard with number pad, you have to specify this in 
> your online order.  It may be possible to swap for full-size keyboard at the 
> time of purchase if you buy your iMac at an Apple Store -- I don't know 
> whether this is the case.  However, it does require that they open the box to 
> swap your keyboard, since all pre-boxed iMacs come with the shorter keyboards.

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Adding RAM to the new Mac Mini [Was Re: Just a quick note on Apple's order process]

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Esther and All,

I just wanted to add a note to clarify that the new Mac Mini, sometimes called 
the "Mid 2010" or "Unibody" model, has a vastly simplified process for adding 
and removing RAM. I know the older Minis required putty knives and hammers and 
sometimes chainsaws to accomplish this, but now no tools are required.
Here's Apple's knowledgebase article regarding RAM and the Mac Minis:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4432#1

HTH,
Bryan

On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Esther wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just a quick note to state that some simple configurations, such as more 
> memory, can be handled by staff if you purchase directly from the Apple 
> Store.  Basically, all standard configurations are pre-packaged.  However, if 
> you buy a new laptop and want to max out the memory, an Apple Store can 
> replace the memory for you and credit you with the difference.  Since Apple 
> memory is more expensive, you might not want to do this unless you are also 
> getting an educational discount on the purchase -- which would also apply to 
> the memory.  However, this can be a useful feature.   This doesn't apply to 
> elements such as hard drives, and it certainly wouldn't apply to memory 
> upgrades that can't be handled by a simple substitution.  For example, the 
> MacBook Air models require that your memory be specified at the time of 
> order, and the initial memory cannot be upgraded, because these modules are 
> hard-socketed in the device.  So if you want to max out memory, you must do 
> so with a custom order.  I'm also not sure whether memory for the Mac Mini's 
> can easily be uprgraded at purchase, since it requires considerably more work 
> to open the case to access the memory slot.  Finally, I will remind list 
> readers that, at least for the iMac, the standard keyboard option is now the 
> short version of the keyboard without number pad.  If you want to order your 
> iMac with a full-size keyboard with number pad, you have to specify this in 
> your online order.  It may be possible to swap for full-size keyboard at the 
> time of purchase if you buy your iMac at an Apple Store -- I don't know 
> whether this is the case.  However, it does require that they open the box to 
> swap your keyboard, since all pre-boxed iMacs come with the shorter keyboards.

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Re: do you need a screen with a mac?

[David McLean]

The mac pro also works better with a monitor connected.
On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> So the mini (what I would get were I buying a new machine) requires a
> screen then? Too bad.
> 
> On 2/28/11, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> No.
>> 
>> Definitely on a mini.  An iMac is a monitor with the computer built in.  I'm
>> not sure about the mac pros though.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> Probably not on a mini. not sure about the pros or the imacks.
>>> 
>>> Good luck and take care.
>>> Sarah Alawami
>>> 
>>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
>>> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my
>>> info is below.
>>> 
>>> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: do you
 need a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work right? It
 almost sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and slower.  My Windows
 pc has almost never had a monitor hooked up, which is a huge space saver
 at college and when transporting things between home and my dorm.  Would
 a mac be able to function the same way?
 
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Re: Registering as an Apple Developer...

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi David,

When I did this recently, I filled out the form correctly, but it didn't accept 
the fields until I disabled VO.  I reported this but presumibly they've not 
addressed it yet.

Best regards.
Geoff

On Feb 28, 2011, at 1:11 PM, David Hole wrote:

> Hi.
> I try to register as an Apple Developer here:
> http://developer.apple.com/programs/start/register/create.php
> When I try to type in my phone number, the form won't accept it...
> It says I need "Country Code, Area/City Code, Number, Extension"
> There are different fields for every one of this.
> How should I type them to get it work?
> I know only my country-code wich is +47 for Norway... :(
> Med vennlig hilsen
> David Hole !
> 
> Veni, Vidi, Vici
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RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[Sarah Alawami]

REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains post 
though to find the info. good luck.

http://post.ly/1gT21  #a11y #accessibility #news

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Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[Alex Hall]

Here is the direct link:
http://www.rfbd.org/apple/

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Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[Sarah Alawami]

Thanks. I can't myself justify the $20 cost as I only use them about 1 time a 
year or so but ah well.
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> Here is the direct link:
> http://www.rfbd.org/apple/
> 
> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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>> though to find the info. good luck.
>> 
>> http://post.ly/1gT21  #a11y #accessibility #news
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Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[Alex Hall]

I am in the same boat. I am holding out for the Bookshare app. Still,
this will be a huge help to all the students who already have iPods
and iPhones; no more needing a special player just to read books.

On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Thanks. I can't myself justify the $20 cost as I only use them about 1 time
> a year or so but ah well.
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
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>> Here is the direct link:
>> http://www.rfbd.org/apple/
>>
>> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains post
>>> though to find the info. good luck.
>>>
>>> http://post.ly/1gT21  #a11y #accessibility #news
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Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[Sarah Alawami]

tht's true. the bookshare app also will cause $20 so they would spend $40 in 
totle for the bookshare and the rfbd apps. Ouch for some of us.
On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> I am in the same boat. I am holding out for the Bookshare app. Still,
> this will be a huge help to all the students who already have iPods
> and iPhones; no more needing a special player just to read books.
> 
> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Thanks. I can't myself justify the $20 cost as I only use them about 1 time
>> a year or so but ah well.
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is the direct link:
>>> http://www.rfbd.org/apple/
>>> 
>>> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains post
 though to find the info. good luck.
 
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Re: converting pdf, and ppt(x) with the command-line

[William Windels]

Hello Tim,
it works great, thx.

Do you know also another program that can convert ppt(x) files on the console?

Thanx ,

best regards,
William 
Op 27-feb-2011, om 23:11 heeft Tim Kilburn het volgende geschreven:

> Hi William,
> 
> Try the pdftotext Shell tool found at:
> 
> http://www.bluem.net/en/mac/others/
> 
> I've had success with this tool.  It will place a text version of your pdf 
> into the same location as the original pdf document.  It will not translate 
> protected PDFs.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2011-02-27, at 6:29 AM, William Windels wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am looking for a way to convert pdf's to text: rtf, txt.
>> 
>> It should be something on the command-prompt, if possible.
>> On this way, I can convert very quickly , different files.
>> The included program textutils, can do such convertions but , unfortunately, 
>> not for pdf.
>> 
>> Or, another option , perhaps already available on a mac, should be simply to 
>> print a pdf to a file:
>> command :
>> printcommand file.pdf >>outputfile.txt
>> 
>> All hints are very welcome,
>> 
>> best regards,
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Re: converting pdf, and ppt(x) with the command-line

[Jim Barbour]

Google around for ppt2html

Jim

On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 01:17:03AM +0100, William Windels wrote:
> Hello Tim,
> it works great, thx.
> 
> Do you know also another program that can convert ppt(x) files on the console?
> 
> Thanx ,
> 
> best regards,
> William 
> Op 27-feb-2011, om 23:11 heeft Tim Kilburn het volgende geschreven:
> 
> > Hi William,
> > 
> > Try the pdftotext Shell tool found at:
> > 
> > http://www.bluem.net/en/mac/others/
> > 
> > I've had success with this tool.  It will place a text version of your pdf 
> > into the same location as the original pdf document.  It will not translate 
> > protected PDFs.
> > 
> > HTH.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > On 2011-02-27, at 6:29 AM, William Windels wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi all,
> >> I am looking for a way to convert pdf's to text: rtf, txt.
> >> 
> >> It should be something on the command-prompt, if possible.
> >> On this way, I can convert very quickly , different files.
> >> The included program textutils, can do such convertions but , 
> >> unfortunately, not for pdf.
> >> 
> >> Or, another option , perhaps already available on a mac, should be simply 
> >> to print a pdf to a file:
> >> command :
> >> printcommand file.pdf >>outputfile.txt
> >> 
> >> All hints are very welcome,
> >> 
> >> best regards,
> >> William Windels
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Apple Keyboard Question

[Richie Gardenhire]

I just purchased a new Apple keyboard today and like it very much.   
However, I have one question; there are four buttons that are  
elongated; two are the up/down volume buttons; one is to stop the  
audio stream from playing; press again, and it will resume playing.   
the other button does nothing when in Keyboard Practice.  What is the  
top right hand button?  It does nothing or is not explained by  
VoiceOver when in Keyboard practice.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
Alaska.


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Re: Help Needed Reading/Writing Documents with Word for Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

Unfortunately, Microsoft Word is not accessible with Voice Over, if you need a 
full office suite, your choices are open office or Apple's iwork suite.
On Feb 27, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Hai, folks. After consulting with Apple, several veteran Mac users, both 
> sighted and blind, (none of whom use Word on the Mac), and attempting 
> futilely to figure is out for myself, I am here to grovel for assistance. 
> When I open a document (those imported from my PC, and those I have 
> downloaded since transitioning) in TextEdit, all is well. However, any 
> attempts to figure out Word meet with failure. I keep winding up in a 
> "document pane view" and I am told that the text is available on the screen, 
> but VO will only read the title.  I've tried using VO commands, the command 
> key, the right arrows alone and with VO and command, interacting attempts, 
> the tab, checking out the Word menu -- I don't know what else to try to write 
> or read documents in Word. Please help. I need to be able to do this for 
> Work, otherwise I wouldn't care. 
> Thanks in advance.
> Christine
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Re: Apple Keyboard Question

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Richie,

That is the Eject button.

Later...

On 2011-02-28, at 5:33 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> I just purchased a new Apple keyboard today and like it very much.  However, 
> I have one question; there are four buttons that are elongated; two are the 
> up/down volume buttons; one is to stop the audio stream from playing; press 
> again, and it will resume playing.  the other button does nothing when in 
> Keyboard Practice.  What is the top right hand button?  It does nothing or is 
> not explained by VoiceOver when in Keyboard practice.  Richie Gardenhire, 
> Anchorage, Alaska.
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Re: Help Needed Reading/Writing Documents with Word for Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

Text edit can save in the Word format, so this should work fine.
On Feb 27, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Thanks so much for your prompt replies. Here's the thing: The computers at 
> work are ancient PC's which still use Word 97. I need to be able to read 
> documents sent to me, which will likely not be an issue with text edit 
> seemingly working so well.  However, I need to be able to write lesson plans, 
> projects, reports, and other work-related materials in a program which can be 
> read, sent to, attached, etc., for use by colleagues, supervisors, students, 
> etc. If I send attachments formatted with text edit, will this be all right? 
> Is there another program I can use that will migrate between my Mac and PC's? 
> What is Apple Pages. Can't locate it on the Mac; is it something which 
> requires purchase? I certainly wish the Apple folk knew that Office for Mac 
> was not VO-friendly. 
> Hopefully, I can get a refund for this useless software. 
> Christine
> 
> On Feb 27, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Christine,
>> I'm afraid Word for Mac, along with the other Office programs for Mac, are 
>> not accessible with VoiceOver last I heard.  Now, I've not tried them 
>> myself, so someone who knows differently feel free to correct me.  Is there 
>> something specific in Word you need to do?  TextEdit is good for basic word 
>> processing, or if you want more power you might look into Apple's Pages.  If 
>> you don't mind a system which isn't quite as well integrated into the Mac, 
>> OpenOffice is another possibility.  Is there a compelling reason you need 
>> Word and no other program will do the trick?
>> Sorry to disappoint you,
>> Zack.
>> On Feb 27, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hai, folks. After consulting with Apple, several veteran Mac users, both 
>>> sighted and blind, (none of whom use Word on the Mac), and attempting 
>>> futilely to figure is out for myself, I am here to grovel for assistance. 
>>> When I open a document (those imported from my PC, and those I have 
>>> downloaded since transitioning) in TextEdit, all is well. However, any 
>>> attempts to figure out Word meet with failure. I keep winding up in a 
>>> "document pane view" and I am told that the text is available on the 
>>> screen, but VO will only read the title.  I've tried using VO commands, the 
>>> command key, the right arrows alone and with VO and command, interacting 
>>> attempts, the tab, checking out the Word menu -- I don't know what else to 
>>> try to write or read documents in Word. Please help. I need to be able to 
>>> do this for Work, otherwise I wouldn't care. 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Christine
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Re: waiting on an adapter

[Mike Arrigo]

Oh, it will work, it's useable, but you'll get a lot of busy messages at times, 
and some apps, such as the dvd player will simply refuse to work without a 
monitor attached. You can certainly get it set up though, I actually set mine 
up with no monitor attached, since at the time I didn't know this was required.
On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi:
>  
> I have just ordered a new Mac Mini and can't wait to try it out.  I saw one 
> at the store in Chattanooga (a Best Buy store) and was impressed with the 
> overall responsiveness of VoiceOver.  This, in spite of using a high-quality 
> voice, such as Alex.  When I use a high-quality voice on Windows, I get no 
> such performance. 
>  
> One small problem.
>  
> I don't have a display I can plug in.  I have a VGA monitor and have ordered, 
> after the fact, the mini display port to vga adapter which should allow me to 
> plug in my monitor once it arrives.
>  
> However, it most likely will arrive 3 or more days after the Mac Mini arrives 
> here.
>  
> Mike arrigo has told me, already, that VoiceOver will perform sluggishly 
> without a display connected.
>  
> Mike, feel free to chime in here, if you wish, but, input from other users is 
> appreciated.
>  
> How sluggish will it be.  Will it be to the point that I need to go have a 
> snack while I press arrow keys or perform VO commands, or, can I maybe live 
> with it for 3 or 4 days?
>  
> Have any of you played with this and maybe gotten arround it, at least 
> temporarily?
>  
> Any help is much appreciated.
> 
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Re: do you need a screen with a mac?

[Mike Arrigo]

The mac mini does need to be connected to a monitor, though the monitor does 
not need to be turned on. Most other macs, such as the laptops and imacs, 
already have a screen built in, so that's not an issue, I guess the only other 
computer that would require this is the mac pro, goodness, those are expensive.
On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hi all,
> After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: do you need 
> a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work right? It almost 
> sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and slower.  My Windows pc has 
> almost never had a monitor hooked up, which is a huge space saver at college 
> and when transporting things between home and my dorm.  Would a mac be able 
> to function the same way?
> 
> Have a great day,
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EP85: Introducing Candle Shore Publishing

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

 

I am posting this here because this new area of Candle Shore began on both
my various Smartphones and my MacBook Pro.  

 

In this approximately 7 minute episode of the Candle Shore Podcast, I
introduce Candle Shore Publishing.  

 

After listening to this episode, I hope you will be as excited as I for
Candle Shore Publishing marks a new chapter in Candle Shore history.

 

 
 Click Here To Listen.

 

Mark

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Re: -- SPAM --Re: do you need a screen with a mac?

[David McLean]

Yes very expensive but a fantastic machine!
On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> The mac mini does need to be connected to a monitor, though the monitor does 
> not need to be turned on. Most other macs, such as the laptops and imacs, 
> already have a screen built in, so that's not an issue, I guess the only 
> other computer that would require this is the mac pro, goodness, those are 
> expensive.
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: do you need 
>> a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work right? It almost 
>> sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and slower.  My Windows pc has 
>> almost never had a monitor hooked up, which is a huge space saver at college 
>> and when transporting things between home and my dorm.  Would a mac be able 
>> to function the same way?
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
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Re: do you need a screen with a mac?

[Sarah Alawami]

Oh I've never seen an imac before so I didn't know  it already had a screen in 
it. Oops on my part.

Take care all.


Sarah Alawami

If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to 
http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info 
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MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> The mac mini does need to be connected to a monitor, though the monitor does 
> not need to be turned on. Most other macs, such as the laptops and imacs, 
> already have a screen built in, so that's not an issue, I guess the only 
> other computer that would require this is the mac pro, goodness, those are 
> expensive.
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> After reading the thread "waiting on an adapter" I am wondering: do you need 
>> a monitor of some kind with a mac to make things work right? It almost 
>> sounded like, without one, vo gets slower and slower.  My Windows pc has 
>> almost never had a monitor hooked up, which is a huge space saver at college 
>> and when transporting things between home and my dorm.  Would a mac be able 
>> to function the same way?
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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RE: Anyone managed successfully drag and drop with Voiceover?

[Paul Hunt]

Hello. Have any of you tried this with the Interface Builder?



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone managed successfully drag and drop with Voiceover?

Hello Victor.
I use drag and drop all of the time in iTunes to drag and drop music and
playlists on to my iPhone.
Here are the steps I use to do this.
First I move to what I want to drag. Cursor tracking is always on.
Next, I highlight what I want with the mouse by pressing VO + Command + f5.
VO will not always report what is highlighted properly but just ignore it's
ramblings.
THe next thing I will do is press VO +command + shift + space. THis performs
a mouse down command.
Next, I will turn off cursor tracking, navigate to where I wish to drop the
music or playlists. I use the VO and arrow keys to do this since cursor
tracking is turned off.
Finally I will use VO + Command+ F5 to move the mouse to the drop point. You
will here a small wooshing sound if you listen hard enough.
Finally, I'll press VO + Command + Shift + Space to release the mouse and
drop the dragged object.
This works 100% of the time.
This can be a bit tricky to master at first because of the number of steps
that need to be taken.
Please let me know if this helps.
Please note. I've only used this in itunes so Whether or not this works the
same way in other apps I don't know.
Hope this helps.


On 2011-02-28, at 3:16 AM, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Hello all,
> I know there are methods for dragging and dropping items with Voiceover,
however, did anyone actually managed to get them work? In particular,
Voiceover tends to cancel the drag-n-drop action once I, say, interact with
an object which I am dragging into.
> For example, what would be the steps to drag an item from one table into
another?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> Vic
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Check out my new album on iTunes at
> http://ax.itunes.apple.com/us/artist/victor-tsaran/id344507896
> 
> 
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Re: Introducing Candle Shore Publishing

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:

Outstanding!!

I love your intro and close out music.  I love your premise.


Regards,
Cheree Heppe


  - Original Message - 
  From: M. Taylor 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 17:41
  Subject: EP85: Introducing Candle Shore Publishing


  Hello All,

   

  I am posting this here because this new area of Candle Shore began on both my 
various Smartphones and my MacBook Pro.  

   

  In this approximately 7 minute episode of the Candle Shore Podcast, I 
introduce Candle Shore Publishing.  

   

  After listening to this episode, I hope you will be as excited as I for 
Candle Shore Publishing marks a new chapter in Candle Shore history.

   

  Click Here To Listen.

   

  Mark


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Re: Anyone managed successfully drag and drop with Voiceover?

[Sarah Alawami]

Sorry I'm dumb. what's interface builder. does it come with the mac? I've had 
this thing for a year and am still learning. lol!
On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello. Have any of you tried this with the Interface Builder?
> 
>   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone managed successfully drag and drop with Voiceover?
> 
> Hello Victor.
> I use drag and drop all of the time in iTunes to drag and drop music and
> playlists on to my iPhone.
> Here are the steps I use to do this.
> First I move to what I want to drag. Cursor tracking is always on.
> Next, I highlight what I want with the mouse by pressing VO + Command + f5.
> VO will not always report what is highlighted properly but just ignore it's
> ramblings.
> THe next thing I will do is press VO +command + shift + space. THis performs
> a mouse down command.
> Next, I will turn off cursor tracking, navigate to where I wish to drop the
> music or playlists. I use the VO and arrow keys to do this since cursor
> tracking is turned off.
> Finally I will use VO + Command+ F5 to move the mouse to the drop point. You
> will here a small wooshing sound if you listen hard enough.
> Finally, I'll press VO + Command + Shift + Space to release the mouse and
> drop the dragged object.
> This works 100% of the time.
> This can be a bit tricky to master at first because of the number of steps
> that need to be taken.
> Please let me know if this helps.
> Please note. I've only used this in itunes so Whether or not this works the
> same way in other apps I don't know.
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> On 2011-02-28, at 3:16 AM, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> I know there are methods for dragging and dropping items with Voiceover,
> however, did anyone actually managed to get them work? In particular,
> Voiceover tends to cancel the drag-n-drop action once I, say, interact with
> an object which I am dragging into.
>> For example, what would be the steps to drag an item from one table into
> another?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Vic
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my new album on iTunes at
>> http://ax.itunes.apple.com/us/artist/victor-tsaran/id344507896
>> 
>> 
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one more overdrive question

[Denise Avant]

hi all,
for those of you who have experience with overdrive media, i'm wondering if any 
of the more popular books, like those by james patterson are in mp3 format. it 
does not have to be patterson, just using him as an example.
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New Mod intro

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi everyone:
Just wanted to introduce myself and express my thanks to the mods and you all 
for the opportunity to be part of helping to keep the list running  smoothly.

I would like to encourage people to remember that as we continue to increase in 
number, there's greater potential for overwhelming virtual traffic.  Asking 
questions, sharing opinions and even differences in opinion are perfectly fine 
and encouraged, and certainly good clean humor is pretty much a must when 
dealing with the quirks and situations these electronic beasts with voices can 
toss at us.   I would mention, howeverthat with hundreds reading these 
posts, your discretion in terms of what you write is requested.  If you have 
something of substance to add to a discussion, excellent, it's entirely 
welcome.  If you are excited and plan to try something being discussed, perhaps 
it's best to wait till you've done so and give us the benefit of your results, 
rather than the knowledge that you're going out and will do so later.  If you 
have a one line response to one person, you might ask yourself, "will everyone 
or at least more than one person benefit from this input?"


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list if you have a response, question or word of thanks specifically for one 
person.  In this way, we all respect each others time and email constraints, 
and also get to know others on a more individual basis.
Also, I encourage you to bring your list concerns to any of the mods, and we'll 
do our best to help resolve them.
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Again thanks for reading and for the opportunity to help  this list continue to 
be  a valuable resource for all of us.

Sincerely,

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unhiding idisk

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Some time ago, one of the folks in my apple store showed me how to hide or see 
idisk.  I am now starting to play with mobile me but I can't remember how to 
unhide my goofy idisk.  Can anybody help?

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Slashdot, Macbook Pro teardowns show issues

[Sarah Alawami]

Did apple's builders mess up? read on.

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blackboard and Safari

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi everyone:
I have a student who needs to access coursework and videos with blackboard and 
Safari.  He's trying to learn the mac and actually do coursework at the same 
time, and having a bit of a truffle with this part. I'm simply not familiar, 
and didn't find anything solid enough in the archives.
If anyone knows of either a quick tutorial, or is familiar enough to help a 
nooby  Please email me off list.  TIA 

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Re: one more overdrive question

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Denise,

That's a bit of a tricky question because different libraries apparently offer 
different selections of titles. You might consider starting from OverDrive's 
own search page, a link to which I'll paste below. There you can select the 
format you're interested in (MP3, WMA, EPUB, etc) and enter various criteria to 
search by. Using the example of James Patterson, I searched all libraries for 
Creator = Patterson and found zero of his titles in MP3 format but several in 
WMA format and a bunch in the unusable Adobe EPUB ebook format. If and when 
your search does return a title you're interested in, the search results will 
include a list of the libraries carrying that title.

Also on that search page, there is a section to locate libraries in your area 
by zip code or name.

Here's the link to Overdrive's search page. BTW, I was able to navigate this 
using VO on the Mac:
http://search.overdrive.com/classic/default.asp

HTH,
Bryan

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> for those of you who have experience with overdrive media, i'm wondering if 
> any of the more popular books, like those by james patterson are in mp3 
> format. it does not have to be patterson, just using him as an example.

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Re: blackboard and Safari

[Justin Ekis]

Hi Carolyn,

I am just now getting used to  the newly upgraded version of blackboard at my 
college. I don't know of any podcasts are tutorials, probably due to the wide 
variety of versions in use. Each new version of Blackboard has changes to the 
interface, and therefore the accessibility situation also changes. Some 
colleges  are still using versions of blackboard from a few years ago due to 
the cost of upgrading or the desire to avoid having people trying to relearn 
the software. 

I'm somewhat familiar with blackboard 7.1, and a little less familiar with the 
new version 9.1. I haven't used all of the features in either one, but if one 
of these is the one you are concerned with then I can try to answer some of 
your questions. I've heard that blackboard version 8 might not be very 
accessible at all, but I have no direct experience.

Sorry for the total non-answer, wish I could be more helpful.


Justin

On Feb 28, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

Hi everyone:
I have a student who needs to access coursework and videos with blackboard and 
Safari.  He's trying to learn the mac and actually do coursework at the same 
time, and having a bit of a truffle with this part. I'm simply not familiar, 
and didn't find anything solid enough in the archives.
If anyone knows of either a quick tutorial, or is familiar enough to help a 
nooby  Please email me off list.  TIA 

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RE: Apple Keyboard Question

[Chantel Cuddemi]

I am not too sure what that button's for. Maybe it's a mute button? 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richie Gardenhire
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 7:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Keyboard Question

I just purchased a new Apple keyboard today and like it very much.   
However, I have one question; there are four buttons that are  
elongated; two are the up/down volume buttons; one is to stop the  
audio stream from playing; press again, and it will resume playing.   
the other button does nothing when in Keyboard Practice.  What is the  
top right hand button?  It does nothing or is not explained by  
VoiceOver when in Keyboard practice.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
Alaska.

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Re: unhiding idisk

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Marlaina,

1. Go to the Finder.
2. Choose the Finder Menu / Preferences.
3. In the Finder Preferences window, interact with the toolbar, navigate to the 
"Sidebar" button, and VO Spacebar on that button.
4. Stop interacting with the toolbar, then VO Right Arrow to navigate down the 
list of checkboxes representing items available to show in Finder's Sidebar.
5. There you should find an unchecked iDisk. Press the spacebar to check the 
box, press Command W to close the Finder Preferences window and you should be 
all set.

HTH,
Bryan

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> Some time ago, one of the folks in my apple store showed me how to hide or 
> see idisk.  I am now starting to play with mobile me but I can't remember how 
> to unhide my goofy idisk.  Can anybody help?
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Re: Apple Keyboard Question

[Richie Gardenhire]

I tryed that button and discovered it was the Restart Button.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.



On Feb 28, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

I am not too sure what that button's for. Maybe it's a mute button?

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Keyboard Question

I just purchased a new Apple keyboard today and like it very much.
However, I have one question; there are four buttons that are
elongated; two are the up/down volume buttons; one is to stop the
audio stream from playing; press again, and it will resume playing.
the other button does nothing when in Keyboard Practice.  What is the
top right hand button?  It does nothing or is not explained by
VoiceOver when in Keyboard practice.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,
Alaska.

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Re: blackboard and Safari

[Greg Aikens]

Hi,
I have been using the newest version of blackboard for the last several months. 
 I'm not an expert but I do feel fairly comfortable with it.  The only real 
problem I have encountered is downloading pdf's that have been uploaded.  I 
still haven't solved that.  

I would be happy to help anyone on or off list.  

-Greg
On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi Carolyn,
> 
> I am just now getting used to  the newly upgraded version of blackboard at my 
> college. I don't know of any podcasts are tutorials, probably due to the wide 
> variety of versions in use. Each new version of Blackboard has changes to the 
> interface, and therefore the accessibility situation also changes. Some 
> colleges  are still using versions of blackboard from a few years ago due to 
> the cost of upgrading or the desire to avoid having people trying to relearn 
> the software. 
> 
> I'm somewhat familiar with blackboard 7.1, and a little less familiar with 
> the new version 9.1. I haven't used all of the features in either one, but if 
> one of these is the one you are concerned with then I can try to answer some 
> of your questions. I've heard that blackboard version 8 might not be very 
> accessible at all, but I have no direct experience.
> 
> Sorry for the total non-answer, wish I could be more helpful.
> 
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone:
> I have a student who needs to access coursework and videos with blackboard 
> and Safari.  He's trying to learn the mac and actually do coursework at the 
> same time, and having a bit of a truffle with this part. I'm simply not 
> familiar, and didn't find anything solid enough in the archives.
> If anyone knows of either a quick tutorial, or is familiar enough to help a 
> nooby  Please email me off list.  TIA 
> 
> Carolyn H
> 
> chaas0...@gmail.com
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Re: Apple Keyboard Question

[Sarah Alawami]

It will restart the phone? Hmm Interesting, and convenient.

Take care.
On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> I tryed that button and discovered it was the Restart Button.  Richie 
> Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
> 
> 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
> I am not too sure what that button's for. Maybe it's a mute button?
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richie Gardenhire
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 7:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Keyboard Question
> 
> I just purchased a new Apple keyboard today and like it very much.
> However, I have one question; there are four buttons that are
> elongated; two are the up/down volume buttons; one is to stop the
> audio stream from playing; press again, and it will resume playing.
> the other button does nothing when in Keyboard Practice.  What is the
> top right hand button?  It does nothing or is not explained by
> VoiceOver when in Keyboard practice.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,
> Alaska.
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by way of introduction

[Joseph Norton]

Hi:

My name is Joseph Norton, from Dalton, GA.

As i mentioned before, I have just ordered a new Mac Mini and am anxiously 
awaiting delivery.

I have long been a DOS and Windows user and have had experience in Linux, most 
notably the console mode.  While I have recently played around with ORCA under 
X-Windows, I have mostly stuck to command-line stuff under Linux.

>From some recent BlindCoolTech podcasts, (Thanks Mike), and from comments of 
>other happy Mac users of VoiceOver, I decided the time had come to learn a new 
>OS.  Also, the fact that I could just go out and buy the computer and not have 
>to spend a dime on another screen-reader was a big deciding factor.  Not to 
>mention the fact that, if I so desire, I can install the OS from scratch, 
>without sighted assistance, if I need to--and I probably will do it, just to 
>get the feel for it.  I may be a bit strange, but, I like to play with 
>installing an OS, trying different ways to configure it, and, even see how I 
>can have more than one OS on the same machine.

Back a few years ago, I had a machine with Windows 98 SE, Windows XP and Linux. 
 It was so nice to know that, I had tools for accomplishing different things in 
each OS, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.  I even had drive images 
of different versions of Windows so I could troubleshoot.

One time, for example, I had a friend who spent two hours with AOL tech support 
because he could not access the Internet through their service.  Since he was 
using Windows 95, I used by image of Windows 95 and was able to duplicate his 
problem.  I was able to tell him how to access hidden older versions of the AOL 
software on the CD's they used to send out, which fixed his problem.  The AOL 
support person did not have a clue what my friend should do.  I had him up and 
running in 10 minutes or so, after I found out what the problem was.

Now, I hope to add experience with MAC OS to my learnings.

I have seen posts on this list and you all seem to be very helpful.  Keep up 
the good work.  We newbie's out there may need a hint or two along the way.  I 
have already learned some things I might need to know.

This is probably the longest post from me that you will see.  I apologize if I 
have taken more time than necessary, but, I will keep it more to the point in 
the future.

Again, I can't wait to dive into this new experience.


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Re: by way of introduction

[Teresa Cochran]

Hello, Joseph,

Enjoy learning mac os! I, too, love !learn new skills, and for me, learning the 
Mac was one ofthe most pleasant experiences I've had as far as working with 
technology. Have fun!

Teresa

Winging its way from my iPod

On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:41 PM, "Joseph Norton"  wrote:

> Hi:
>  
> My name is Joseph Norton, from Dalton, GA.
>  
> As i mentioned before, I have just ordered a new Mac Mini and am anxiously 
> awaiting delivery.
>  
> I have long been a DOS and Windows user and have had experience in Linux, 
> most notably the console mode.  While I have recently played around with ORCA 
> under X-Windows, I have mostly stuck to command-line stuff under Linux.
>  
> From some recent BlindCoolTech podcasts, (Thanks Mike), and from comments of 
> other happy Mac users of VoiceOver, I decided the time had come to learn a 
> new OS.  Also, the fact that I could just go out and buy the computer and not 
> have to spend a dime on another screen-reader was a big deciding factor.  Not 
> to mention the fact that, if I so desire, I can install the OS from scratch, 
> without sighted assistance, if I need to--and I probably will do it, just to 
> get the feel for it.  I may be a bit strange, but, I like to play with 
> installing an OS, trying different ways to configure it, and, even see how I 
> can have more than one OS on the same machine.
>  
> Back a few years ago, I had a machine with Windows 98 SE, Windows XP and 
> Linux.  It was so nice to know that, I had tools for accomplishing different 
> things in each OS, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.  I even had 
> drive images of different versions of Windows so I could troubleshoot.
>  
> One time, for example, I had a friend who spent two hours with AOL tech 
> support because he could not access the Internet through their service.  
> Since he was using Windows 95, I used by image of Windows 95 and was able to 
> duplicate his problem.  I was able to tell him how to access hidden older 
> versions of the AOL software on the CD's they used to send out, which fixed 
> his problem.  The AOL support person did not have a clue what my friend 
> should do.  I had him up and running in 10 minutes or so, after I found out 
> what the problem was.
>  
> Now, I hope to add experience with MAC OS to my learnings.
>  
> I have seen posts on this list and you all seem to be very helpful.  Keep up 
> the good work.  We newbie's out there may need a hint or two along the way.  
> I have already learned some things I might need to know.
>  
> This is probably the longest post from me that you will see.  I apologize if 
> I have taken more time than necessary, but, I will keep it more to the point 
> in the future.
>  
> Again, I can't wait to dive into this new experience.
> 
> 
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Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[David Tanner]

It's a lot cheaper than a Victor Reader Stream, and it means being able to 
do more of what you need to do on one device.


- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah Alawami" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App


tht's true. the bookshare app also will cause $20 so they would spend $40 
in totle for the bookshare and the rfbd apps. Ouch for some of us.

On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Alex Hall wrote:


I am in the same boat. I am holding out for the Bookshare app. Still,
this will be a huge help to all the students who already have iPods
and iPhones; no more needing a special player just to read books.

On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
Thanks. I can't myself justify the $20 cost as I only use them about 1 
time

a year or so but ah well.
On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Alex Hall wrote:


Here is the direct link:
http://www.rfbd.org/apple/

On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains 
post

though to find the info. good luck.

http://post.ly/1gT21  #a11y #accessibility #news

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Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[Tammy Abreu-Butron.com]

There is an AP I just purchased for $4.99 from iTunes called read2me that works 
with my iTouch.  It's limited to google docs and PDF files and has some bugs 
but it is a really nice option.  I've returned to college after losing most of 
my vision suddenly to wet Mac and can still read a bit with enough contrast and 
enlargement.  As my vision loss progresses I find my remaining vision in my 
right eye tires more frequently and quicker than it used to.  This little AP 
has been a nice addition to my toolbox of visual aids - even though I have to 
delete and reinstall whenever it hangs.
I would love to have the company fix the bugs, but am hazard about being able 
to load my text book PDFs into google docs and have access to them via my 
iTouch either visually or now I can listen when my eye is too tired to read.  


Tammy  Abreu-Butron
www.tammybutron.com

On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:46 PM, "David Tanner"  wrote:

> It's a lot cheaper than a Victor Reader Stream, and it means being able to do 
> more of what you need to do on one device.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah Alawami" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App
> 
> 
>> tht's true. the bookshare app also will cause $20 so they would spend $40 in 
>> totle for the bookshare and the rfbd apps. Ouch for some of us.
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> I am in the same boat. I am holding out for the Bookshare app. Still,
>>> this will be a huge help to all the students who already have iPods
>>> and iPhones; no more needing a special player just to read books.
>>> 
>>> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Thanks. I can't myself justify the $20 cost as I only use them about 1 time
 a year or so but ah well.
 On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
> Here is the direct link:
> http://www.rfbd.org/apple/
> 
> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains post
>> though to find the info. good luck.
>> 
>> http://post.ly/1gT21  #a11y #accessibility #news
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Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App

[Sarah Alawami]

Tha'ts true, but I only use rfbd about 1 time every other semester so right now 
I'll probably use it on the mac.

Take care all.
On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:46 PM, David Tanner wrote:

> It's a lot cheaper than a Victor Reader Stream, and it means being able to do 
> more of what you need to do on one device.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah Alawami" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App
> 
> 
>> tht's true. the bookshare app also will cause $20 so they would spend $40 in 
>> totle for the bookshare and the rfbd apps. Ouch for some of us.
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> I am in the same boat. I am holding out for the Bookshare app. Still,
>>> this will be a huge help to all the students who already have iPods
>>> and iPhones; no more needing a special player just to read books.
>>> 
>>> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Thanks. I can't myself justify the $20 cost as I only use them about 1 time
 a year or so but ah well.
 On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
> Here is the direct link:
> http://www.rfbd.org/apple/
> 
> On 2/28/11, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains post
>> though to find the info. good luck.
>> 
>> http://post.ly/1gT21  #a11y #accessibility #news
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Re: Introducing Candle Shore Publishing

[Teresa Cochran]

Nice Andean music. More importantly, very exciting stuff. I'm definitely taking 
a look, as I enjoy writing. You are a man of vision, sir.

Teresa
On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
>  
> Outstanding!!
>  
> I love your intro and close out music.  I love your premise.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: M. Taylor
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 17:41
> Subject: EP85: Introducing Candle Shore Publishing
> 
> Hello All,
>  
> I am posting this here because this new area of Candle Shore began on both my 
> various Smartphones and my MacBook Pro. 
>  
> In this approximately 7 minute episode of the Candle Shore Podcast, I 
> introduce Candle Shore Publishing. 
>  
> After listening to this episode, I hope you will be as excited as I for 
> Candle Shore Publishing marks a new chapter in Candle Shore history.
>  
> Click Here To Listen.
>  
> Mark
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