RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...

[Simon Fogarty]

That's interesting, the r600 only takes a max of 4gig ddr2 ram and has a
1.4GHz ULV ltra Low Voltage processor.

 It's great how quick something still low powered, can work so brilliantly 



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
TalkNav
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 2:44 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...

Claus,

again, my Toshiba R600 running Windows 7 and with an SSD, is ready to use,
from a cold start, in 17 seconds. this is fully ready, no apps still
loading, JAWS is ready and willing etc.

granted this is with an SSD and a good machine, but it's a point that should
be made. the days when stability of the OS were an issue are really passed
now.

as long as you buy a good manufacturer and don't install all manner of
rubbish software then you shouldn't suffer anymore.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Claus Thøgersen
Sent: 11 October 2010 12:31
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...

Hi,

On the other hand a stable Windows xP machine is much more common now than
with Windows98 or even worse Windows95.  Windows 7 seems to be even more
stable than xp.

Still the  Macs really have a boot time I have never seem matched on a
Windows system, and is instant ready after login, very much unlike my XP
machine that uses about 2 extra minutes to load applications. This is only
tolerable because hybernation works on that pc.

Claus

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From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...


> Teresa,
>
> as I've pointed out, gone are the days of the blue screen of death on a 
> PC.
> I never have application crashes which bring down the whole machine, 
> haven't
> done so for many years now.
>
> this is purely about navigation with a Mac.
>
>
>
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>
> Neil Barnfather
> Talks List Administrator
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
> Sent: 10 October 2010 18:37
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
>
> Hi, Neil,
>
> I'm commenting before I read the other replies, so that I can give you my
> own response to what you've written.
>
> First, you can use QuickNav in Voiceover, which will give you most
> screen-reader commands with two fingers on one hand.
>
> Secondly, in my experience, when one application freezes on the Mac, this
> doesn't take down the entire session and cause a blue screen. It's only
> necessary to force-quit the misbehaving application ancd stay in the
> desktop. I've gone for weeks without restarting the desktop, much less
> restarting the computer. I have never done this on Windows. This, to me, 
> is
> a big plus.
>
> Teresa
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Re: Need Help: Blind Musicians

[Eric Oyen]

moisturizing lotion used on your fingers every day should keep the skin soft 
and maintain sensitivity (its an old poker players trick). 

-Eric


On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Cameron wrote:

> Hi.  you should be fine.  the callus will be on the tip of your finger, not
> on the pad of it.
> 
> If you are right handed, then your fretting hand, where the calluses will
> be, will be your left hand.  If you are left handed, then your fretting hand
> will be your right.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Cameron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sonnia
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:18 PM
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: Need Help: Blind Musicians
> 
> Hello all. Please forgive me for being a bit off topic but i need a
> little help from any blind musicians (specifically those that have
> experience with stringed instruments.) I just wasn't sure where to go
> for some help and i am hoping we have some string instrument  players
> here.
> I'm interested in learning the violin but I've heard of musicians
> developing calluses from extended playing. I was wondering if anyone
> could tell me if i can alter the playing technique in anyway that
> would keep the braille reading portion of my left index finger callus
> free. Could i use some alternative fingering method or any technique
> so that i can play the violin but still read braille? Again, sorry for
> going off topic. :)
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RE: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information

[Simon Fogarty]

You gotta be kidding me.
 
4$100 on training that my closest and probably every othe r mac store in nz
couldn't give me as they don't know or give a rats rear end, in or for
accessibility / adaptive technology features of mac osx.

 I know more of voiceover than the two closest mac dealer stores in my city.
They ask me questions, and compared to most on this list, I know nothing!


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 10:37 a.m.
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Subject: Re: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information

When you buy a Mac, you can purchase training at your local apple store for
$100 for a year's worth of training. This has been very helpful..
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> When I bought my Macbook pro, I did get some help from ontario's adp
program. I didn't however get the "maximum contribution" as things like the
screen reader weren't necessary. I don't do a lot of ocr, but I did like
k1000 for windows. I think you could make a case for the macs based on ease
of upgrade in certain environments. I do a bit of networking a tiny bit of
sound work, and a lot of correspondence, as well as basic word processing.
If you are to make a case for the inclusion, I think that tayloring it to
people who are willing to learn new and different things, and who are
working with multi-media and the net. 
> 
> Yep, you will have to stress that this is different and that the mac
products do address similar issues in a different way, and no, windows is
still great for some people but choice is also great.
> 
> Personally I don't think we will see an end to adaptive products, as there
are a valued group of buyers who would not be ready to have the capacity to
or be willing to learn new stuff. However, they still require service.
> 
> 
> On 2010-10-11, at 10:19 AM, Isaac Obie wrote:
> 
>> Hello Heather,
>> It's just like years ago I asked the state for Window Eyes. I was told,
"We only have Jaws". So it was Jaws or nothing!
>> So I got in the habit of buying my own equipment. But some states are
giving Macs nowadays. I know one list member who received a Macbook pro and
is extremely happy with it. So I guess sometimes it's where you're at the
time. this person is seeking a job. So the Mac was to help in that endeavor.
>> I have a mac mini which I bought. Now I am trying to help a friend find a
Mac. The states will do as they please. I've come to accept that.
>> Isaac
>> - Original Message -
>> From: heather kd5cbl
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:41 AM
>> Subject: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information
>> 
>> I am a very knew Mac user and feel that our state rehab departments are
favoring the windows based machines over the mac machines.  Yes, our states
have all the money to give there blind consumers all this adaptive
technology while in school.  However, after school, blind individuals
struggle to keep their equipment up to date.  I am trying to write a letter
about the mac for blind consumers instead of jaws on a windows pc.  I wanted
to make the case that the states should not be so geared to window based
machines for there blind consumers.  I just don't no enough about OCR
solutions for the Mac like we have Kurzweil1000 for windows.  Also I am not
sure about the braille translation programs for the macs as we have mega
dots or Duxbury for the windows computers.  Also, we use victor streams,
eclipse reders and for our textbooks so if there is a Mac equivalent, I
wanted to know about it.  I am trying to convince our rehab department that
they need to show both options to their consumers.  I plan on submitting my
letter at the end of the week to are rehab department.  Thank you, Heather
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RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Carolyn,

for all the good reasons with a PC, the issue still is that I cannot live
with JAWS fouling up all the time, if I was still sighted I'd not switch,
perhaps that's the best way of conveying this.

thanks.

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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Haas
Sent: 12 October 2010 19:36
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...

Hi Neil:
Ok, so I'm pretty confused.  You just sighted all the reasons why one can do
so much more with the PC and JAWS.  And you made some good and valid points.
Have you fallen in love accidentally with Mac?  Or are you just looking to
bang your head against the wall?:)
 Maybe I'm missing something here?

And, btw, I'm not trying to be obnoxious, or troublesome.  I just don't get
it.:)

Carolyn
On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:29 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Isaac,
> 
> don't worry, I'll be doing that, but I'd like to have a buyer lined up, as
> otherwise the PC laptop will lie gathering dust.
> 
> so it's a belt and braces move on my behalf.
> 
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> Talks List Administrator
> 
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> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ISAAC OBIE
> Sent: 12 October 2010 09:15
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
> 
> Neil, why don't you wait a couple of weeks and try the Macbook pro before 
> selling your laptop? You've intested lots of time setting it up... Give
the 
> Macbook pro a week or two first before selling your topnotch
notebook...
> just a suggestion.
> Isaac
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:07 AM
> Subject: RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
> 
> 
>> Cara,
>> 
>> indeed, I'm sitting here quote in hand for new Mac Book Pro, very closely
>> monitoring the add to basket button...
>> 
>> just need to justify the getting rid of my current PC laptop...
>> 
>> anyone know anyone living in the UK who'd want a top spec windows PC...
>> payment plan considered etc...
>> 
>> write me off list for...@talknav.com
>> 
>> regards.
>> 
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> Talks List Administrator
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
>> Sent: 12 October 2010 00:54
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
>> 
>> Well Neil you'd better become a Mac / VO convert right quick! -or else!
>> *flicks riding crop* lol!
>> 
>> Seriously though; no worries on any of this. :) Perhaps we could take
this
>> one issue at a time.
>> 
>> if you'd like, as there are a lot of great minds here, perhaps we can go
>> point by point on solutions for things you'd like to do.
>> 
>> -Yes, you and I chatted a bit about some possibilities, and perhaps
others
>> would be willing to chime in with specifics on actual tasks you'd like to
>> accomplish and how you might go about it on the Mac.
>> 
>> this would actually be quite beneficial for all of us, as I don't think 
>> any
>> one of us individually, (except of course Esther) :) has the absolute and
>> complete grasp of every single shortcut available to us as Mac users in 
>> our
>> respective heads. :)
>> 
>> So a little re-hash of all of the cool ways we can go about specific
tasks
>> could go a long way to giving all of us a bit of a refresher.
>> 
>> -Just my thoughts.
>> 
>> Have a terrific day / evening All!.
>> 
>> Smiles,
>> 
>> Cara :)
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>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>> 
>> Ricardo,
>> 
>> F6, that be the resolution, instead of tabbing all the time with Windows 
>> and
>> JAWS< let's take your iTunes example.
>> 
>> using iTunes on my PC, as I do, I do the following.
>> 
>> if I'm in the left tree of items, I start typing the name of say
>> applications, after A P is typed I'm on that section, so now F6, this 
>> takes
>> me instantly to the top of the area defining the view, then one more F6 
>> and
>> I'm in the list of applications. so that's two keys to get there not 
>> endless
>> tab, tab, tab,
>> 
>> again, all this 

Re: pdf2rtf service

[Scott Howell]

No.
On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> That won't do OCR though will it?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On 12/10/2010, Scott Howell  wrote:
>> Thanks Justin, I will pass this along.
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi scott, here is the link for the download page where you can find
>>> pdf2rtf. There are a lot of downloads on this page, but it's near the end
>>> of the list.
>>> 
>>> http://www.devon-technologies.com/download/index.html
>>> 
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> I was trying to find the information about how one can obtain the pdf2rtf
>>> service. I search about on Google, but was not able to find a way to get
>>> this service. So, could someone let me know the website that offered this?
>>> Seems it was from a website that was promoting an editor of some sort. I'm
>>> trying to get this info for someone and your help would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Scott
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Re: Selecting a recipient

[Claus Thøgersen]

Hi,

Just to clear up the jaws command with Outlook, Outlook Express and probably 
also Windows Mail is indsert+shift+r.


Claus

- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan Cohn" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: Selecting a recipient



Two points:

1. On the PC side wit JFW 9+, there was a jaws script to reply
directly to sender (perhaps alt+Y?
2. On the macintosh, if you interact with the headers, andthen when
Voice Over readds the person yyou want to reply to, perform a click
and a menu will appear. I think in Leopard and Tiger, one could hit
VO+shift+M (contextual menu) to do this.

Creating an AppleScript to do this should be fairly easy too.

Jn


On 12/10/2010, Carolyn Haas  wrote:

Hi Antonio:
I'll try to explain what I do here, since I'm a long devoted Outlook 
express

user changing over.
I'll assume you have your mail open.  Typically, I interact with 
messages.
I use vo arrow to go to the "from" heading.  Open menu with vo-M and 
right

arrow to messages.  Arrow down to "add sender from address book."
This isn't the shortest way, but it's similar to what I did in OE.

HTH
Carolyn
On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:40 AM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:


Hi list,

Another question comparing
Outlook express with mail.

How can I select a recipient's e-mail address from an open message for
sending a message without reply. What I want to accomplish is to strip 
out

the e-mail address to paste into the to field of a new message.

This comes useful when I see a message from David to this list, and wish
to respond to David, and not the entire list.

The outlook express equivalent was ault plus one of the num roe numbers
twice quickly, then control a to select, and control c to copy, then
control v on the to field of the new message to paste the address.

Thanks for your help to a newbe.

Antonio


On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:22 AM, David Taylor wrote:


Hi,

Actually, if a thread is collapsed, just hit enter and every message is
opened, each one in its own window. This means that if you think you 
may
want to reply, you can simply use cmd-w to close the first message, 
then

delete the others, and reply at the end. I find this much better than
anything I ever had in Windows.

Cheers
Dave

On 12 Oct 2010, at 04:52, Sarah Alawami wrote:

hello go to view and sort by thread and collapse threads. I set  up a
keyboard shortcut regarding these 2 and I go over how to do this in a
podcast.

2. Go to the left of the person's name when you expand a thread with
right arrow and you will hear unread image and a bong sound. select all
of those int eh thread and hit enter and cmd w on the ones you don't 
want

to read when you get to them.

This makes for faster skimming.

Take care.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:


Hello listers,

I am migrating still from a windows machine, and do find some of the 
mac

ways more cumbersome than necessary.

Maybe there are settings I can change to make my life a little easier
when reading and managing e-mails.

First is there a way to view messages in collapsed conversation mode? 
I
would like to view conversations in the order the messages were 
written,

one right next to the other.

Another unfortunate thing is my inability to just jump from unread to
unread message, thus ignoring something I already went through.

I appreciate any word about these two efficiency features.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes

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Re: apple mail questions

[David Taylor]

Hi,

Don't bother with the menus for preferences, just use cmd-comma. Works in most 
apps so worth remembering. You then need to select the accounts tab to get to 
the relevant options.

Cheers
Dave

On 12 Oct 2010, at 20:47, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi there,
You should be able to go to preferences and look at the mail server setup.

>From with in mail hit vo m then under the mail tab which you reach with your 
>right arrow select preferences.  Under there look at the tool bar and select 
>accounts.  I believe that's the general direction.  Newdle around in there and 
>you'll find what you need.  

What mail provider are you using, if it's a major one I can probably provide 
the correct server settings or someone else on the list can pipe up as well.

Thanks
Scott

On Oct 12, 2010, at 12:41 PM, denise avant wrote:

> hello all,
> i am able to get e-mail fine on my macbook using apple mail. but all of a 
> sudden i can't send mail. i wanted to check the outgoing server port (ssil) 
> but can't find that port under preferences. can anyone tell me where to find 
> it? also is it possible to have apple mail set to have the last message 
> received be the one listed first when i get to the inbox. right now, things 
> are in my inbox in reverse order. thanks.
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Re: link for, Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual, Snow Leopard Edition

[heather kd5cbl]

I sent them a message asking if the ebook would work with a screenreader or 
if it was an imaged file.  Heather 


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Re: activating wizweels in freedom scientific braille focus 40 with voice over

[Teresa Cochran]

The Whiz Wheels don't seem to work well on web pages. However, they work great 
in other documents if you interact with the text. You can press both rocker 
bars down or press VO-shift-down-arrow.

hTH,
Teresa
On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Ahmed Alomran wrote:

> hi all
> for those who use focus 40 blue with mac, i am wondering about the method of 
> activating the wizwzeels for display panning with voice over? I managed to 
> use these wizweels successfully  with my Iphone. However, they don't seem to 
> work properly with my mac. your help is really appritiated.
> kind regards.
> Ahmed.
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Re: activating wizweels in freedom scientific braille focus 40 with voice over

[ahmed alomran]

many thanks for your help.
regards.
Ahmed.

- Original Message - 
From: "Teresa Cochran" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: activating wizweels in freedom scientific braille focus 40 with 
voice over



The Whiz Wheels don't seem to work well on web pages. However, they work 
great in other documents if you interact with the text. You can press both 
rocker bars down or press VO-shift-down-arrow.


hTH,
Teresa
On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Ahmed Alomran wrote:


hi all
for those who use focus 40 blue with mac, i am wondering about the method 
of activating the wizwzeels for display panning with voice over? I managed 
to use these wizweels successfully  with my Iphone. However, they don't 
seem to work properly with my mac. your help is really appritiated.

kind regards.
Ahmed.

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Re: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Simon:
The Mac store does not an Apple store make.:)

Differing requirements, different employees.  It would be like going to a 
hearing aid dealer who doesn't do audiology testing but just sells hearing 
aids.  

Probably redundant for me to say this, but you might get on Apple.com and try 
the Apple  store locator. 
Carolyn 
On Oct 13, 2010, at 2:08 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> You gotta be kidding me.
> 
> 4$100 on training that my closest and probably every othe r mac store in nz
> couldn't give me as they don't know or give a rats rear end, in or for
> accessibility / adaptive technology features of mac osx.
> 
> I know more of voiceover than the two closest mac dealer stores in my city.
> They ask me questions, and compared to most on this list, I know nothing!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 10:37 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information
> 
> When you buy a Mac, you can purchase training at your local apple store for
> $100 for a year's worth of training. This has been very helpful..
> On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> When I bought my Macbook pro, I did get some help from ontario's adp
> program. I didn't however get the "maximum contribution" as things like the
> screen reader weren't necessary. I don't do a lot of ocr, but I did like
> k1000 for windows. I think you could make a case for the macs based on ease
> of upgrade in certain environments. I do a bit of networking a tiny bit of
> sound work, and a lot of correspondence, as well as basic word processing.
> If you are to make a case for the inclusion, I think that tayloring it to
> people who are willing to learn new and different things, and who are
> working with multi-media and the net. 
>> 
>> Yep, you will have to stress that this is different and that the mac
> products do address similar issues in a different way, and no, windows is
> still great for some people but choice is also great.
>> 
>> Personally I don't think we will see an end to adaptive products, as there
> are a valued group of buyers who would not be ready to have the capacity to
> or be willing to learn new stuff. However, they still require service.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2010-10-11, at 10:19 AM, Isaac Obie wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Heather,
>>> It's just like years ago I asked the state for Window Eyes. I was told,
> "We only have Jaws". So it was Jaws or nothing!
>>> So I got in the habit of buying my own equipment. But some states are
> giving Macs nowadays. I know one list member who received a Macbook pro and
> is extremely happy with it. So I guess sometimes it's where you're at the
> time. this person is seeking a job. So the Mac was to help in that endeavor.
>>> I have a mac mini which I bought. Now I am trying to help a friend find a
> Mac. The states will do as they please. I've come to accept that.
>>> Isaac
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: heather kd5cbl
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:41 AM
>>> Subject: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information
>>> 
>>> I am a very knew Mac user and feel that our state rehab departments are
> favoring the windows based machines over the mac machines.  Yes, our states
> have all the money to give there blind consumers all this adaptive
> technology while in school.  However, after school, blind individuals
> struggle to keep their equipment up to date.  I am trying to write a letter
> about the mac for blind consumers instead of jaws on a windows pc.  I wanted
> to make the case that the states should not be so geared to window based
> machines for there blind consumers.  I just don't no enough about OCR
> solutions for the Mac like we have Kurzweil1000 for windows.  Also I am not
> sure about the braille translation programs for the macs as we have mega
> dots or Duxbury for the windows computers.  Also, we use victor streams,
> eclipse reders and for our textbooks so if there is a Mac equivalent, I
> wanted to know about it.  I am trying to convince our rehab department that
> they need to show both options to their consumers.  I plan on submitting my
> letter at the end of the week to are rehab department.  Thank you, Heather
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Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Neil:
Now thats the makings of a possible good Apple commercial; once we get you 
comfortable in the Mac.:)
Take care

Carolyn
On Oct 13, 2010, at 2:50 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Carolyn,
> 
> for all the good reasons with a PC, the issue still is that I cannot live
> with JAWS fouling up all the time, if I was still sighted I'd not switch,
> perhaps that's the best way of conveying this.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> Talks List Administrator
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Haas
> Sent: 12 October 2010 19:36
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
> 
> Hi Neil:
> Ok, so I'm pretty confused.  You just sighted all the reasons why one can do
> so much more with the PC and JAWS.  And you made some good and valid points.
> Have you fallen in love accidentally with Mac?  Or are you just looking to
> bang your head against the wall?:)
> Maybe I'm missing something here?
> 
> And, btw, I'm not trying to be obnoxious, or troublesome.  I just don't get
> it.:)
> 
> Carolyn
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:29 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> 
>> Isaac,
>> 
>> don't worry, I'll be doing that, but I'd like to have a buyer lined up, as
>> otherwise the PC laptop will lie gathering dust.
>> 
>> so it's a belt and braces move on my behalf.
>> 
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> Talks List Administrator
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ISAAC OBIE
>> Sent: 12 October 2010 09:15
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
>> 
>> Neil, why don't you wait a couple of weeks and try the Macbook pro before 
>> selling your laptop? You've intested lots of time setting it up... Give
> the 
>> Macbook pro a week or two first before selling your topnotch
> notebook...
>> just a suggestion.
>> Isaac
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:07 AM
>> Subject: RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
>> 
>> 
>>> Cara,
>>> 
>>> indeed, I'm sitting here quote in hand for new Mac Book Pro, very closely
>>> monitoring the add to basket button...
>>> 
>>> just need to justify the getting rid of my current PC laptop...
>>> 
>>> anyone know anyone living in the UK who'd want a top spec windows PC...
>>> payment plan considered etc...
>>> 
>>> write me off list for...@talknav.com
>>> 
>>> regards.
>>> 
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
>>> Sent: 12 October 2010 00:54
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
>>> 
>>> Well Neil you'd better become a Mac / VO convert right quick! -or else!
>>> *flicks riding crop* lol!
>>> 
>>> Seriously though; no worries on any of this. :) Perhaps we could take
> this
>>> one issue at a time.
>>> 
>>> if you'd like, as there are a lot of great minds here, perhaps we can go
>>> point by point on solutions for things you'd like to do.
>>> 
>>> -Yes, you and I chatted a bit about some possibilities, and perhaps
> others
>>> would be willing to chime in with specifics on actual tasks you'd like to
>>> accomplish and how you might go about it on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> this would actually be quite beneficial for all of us, as I don't think 
>>> any
>>> one of us individually, (except of course Esther) :) has the absolute and
>>> complete grasp of every single shortcut available to us as Mac users in 
>>> our
>>> respective heads. :)
>>> 
>>> So a little re-hash of all of the cool ways we can go about specific
> tasks
>>> could go a long way to giving all of us a bit of a refresher.
>>> 
>>> -Just my thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Have a terrific day / evening All!.
>>> 
>>> Smiles,
>>> 
>>> Cara :)
>>> ---
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>>> 
>>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn
>>> 
>>> Follow me on Twitter!
>>> 
>>> https://twitter.com/ModelCara
>>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ricardo,
>>> 
>>> F6, that be the resolution, instead of tabbing all the time with Windows 
>>> and
>>> JAWS< let's take your iTunes example.
>>> 
>>> using iTunes on my PC, as I do

RE: Need Help: Blind Musicians

[Cameron]

I would not suggest that for the fingers on her fretting hand though.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need Help: Blind Musicians

moisturizing lotion used on your fingers every day should keep the skin soft
and maintain sensitivity (its an old poker players trick). 

-Eric


On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Cameron wrote:

> Hi.  you should be fine.  the callus will be on the tip of your finger,
not
> on the pad of it.
> 
> If you are right handed, then your fretting hand, where the calluses will
> be, will be your left hand.  If you are left handed, then your fretting
hand
> will be your right.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Cameron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sonnia
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:18 PM
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: Need Help: Blind Musicians
> 
> Hello all. Please forgive me for being a bit off topic but i need a
> little help from any blind musicians (specifically those that have
> experience with stringed instruments.) I just wasn't sure where to go
> for some help and i am hoping we have some string instrument  players
> here.
> I'm interested in learning the violin but I've heard of musicians
> developing calluses from extended playing. I was wondering if anyone
> could tell me if i can alter the playing technique in anyway that
> would keep the braille reading portion of my left index finger callus
> free. Could i use some alternative fingering method or any technique
> so that i can play the violin but still read braille? Again, sorry for
> going off topic. :)
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Re: Need Help: Blind Musicians

[Scott Granados]

Gambling, now that's something I can get behind.  More Blackjack than Poker but 
that's all good!

Maybe I wouldn't have lost 250,000 and change to the Mohegan sun if I used 
moisturizer over vacation.

:)



On Oct 13, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Cameron wrote:

> I would not suggest that for the fingers on her fretting hand though.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need Help: Blind Musicians
> 
> moisturizing lotion used on your fingers every day should keep the skin soft
> and maintain sensitivity (its an old poker players trick). 
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Cameron wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  you should be fine.  the callus will be on the tip of your finger,
> not
>> on the pad of it.
>> 
>> If you are right handed, then your fretting hand, where the calluses will
>> be, will be your left hand.  If you are left handed, then your fretting
> hand
>> will be your right.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Cameron.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sonnia
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:18 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Need Help: Blind Musicians
>> 
>> Hello all. Please forgive me for being a bit off topic but i need a
>> little help from any blind musicians (specifically those that have
>> experience with stringed instruments.) I just wasn't sure where to go
>> for some help and i am hoping we have some string instrument  players
>> here.
>> I'm interested in learning the violin but I've heard of musicians
>> developing calluses from extended playing. I was wondering if anyone
>> could tell me if i can alter the playing technique in anyway that
>> would keep the braille reading portion of my left index finger callus
>> free. Could i use some alternative fingering method or any technique
>> so that i can play the violin but still read braille? Again, sorry for
>> going off topic. :)
>> 
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Re: selecting text on webpages

[GEOFF WAALER]

I wonder if Apple was smart enough to disable VO-shift-c in such instances?
On Oct 13, 2010, at 1:11 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> There are some web-pages, like on the iTunes Store, that do not allow 
> selecting and copying.  Think of it like a locked pdf or a web-page that 
> doesn't allow copying of graphics.  No method will work in these cases, not 
> even for sighted folk.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2010-10-12, at 1:42 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> and whe selecting lyrics on a webpage what do I do then? I have a bit of 
>> trouble with that.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:44, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When selecting text on a web-page, you need to use the VO selection command.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Interact with the text.
>>> 2.  Press VO-return.
>>> 3.  Navigate to the end of the area you wish to select.
>>> 4.  Press VO-return again to toggle off the selection.
>>> 5.  Press cmd-c to Copy to the clipboard.
>>> 
>>> This is cumbersome in some cases as some text areas have link elements and 
>>> such which divide up your ability to select.  In these cases, I usually 
>>> just do a select all and paste it into a txt page in TextEdit and grab my 
>>> desired text from there.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-12, at 10:27 AM, John Lipsey wrote:
>>> 
 Hi list:
 
 One thing I've yet to really master on my mac is selecting text,
 especially on webpages.  I interact with the text area in which I want
 to actually select text, but then I'm kind of confused.  I assume I
 can shift right arrow to select text, but that would probably only
 select one character at a time.  This seems highly inefficient.  Other
 strategies are most welcome.
 
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Re: Selecting a recipient

[GEOFF WAALER]

Hi Claus,

This is a good illustration of why its a good idea to do a modicum of testing 
prior to posting; reply all does *NOT* work on this list.

Carolyn had a good suggestion.  I usually only read messages in the preview 
pane, but when I do want to reply to the individual user I'll press enter to 
open the message, tab to the from field and use the copy last phrase to 
clipboard command (VO-shift-C) to copy it.  I then press command-r and erase 
the list address and paste the sender's.

HTH.
Geoff

On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Claus Thøgersen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just to clear up the jaws command with Outlook, Outlook Express and probably 
> also Windows Mail is indsert+shift+r.
> 
> Claus
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Cohn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Selecting a recipient
> 
> 
>> Two points:
>> 
>> 1. On the PC side wit JFW 9+, there was a jaws script to reply
>> directly to sender (perhaps alt+Y?
>> 2. On the macintosh, if you interact with the headers, andthen when
>> Voice Over readds the person yyou want to reply to, perform a click
>> and a menu will appear. I think in Leopard and Tiger, one could hit
>> VO+shift+M (contextual menu) to do this.
>> 
>> Creating an AppleScript to do this should be fairly easy too.
>> 
>> Jn
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/10/2010, Carolyn Haas  wrote:
>>> Hi Antonio:
>>> I'll try to explain what I do here, since I'm a long devoted Outlook express
>>> user changing over.
>>> I'll assume you have your mail open.  Typically, I interact with messages.
>>> I use vo arrow to go to the "from" heading.  Open menu with vo-M and right
>>> arrow to messages.  Arrow down to "add sender from address book."
>>> This isn't the shortest way, but it's similar to what I did in OE.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> Carolyn
>>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:40 AM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>>> 
 Hi list,
 
 Another question comparing
 Outlook express with mail.
 
 How can I select a recipient's e-mail address from an open message for
 sending a message without reply. What I want to accomplish is to strip out
 the e-mail address to paste into the to field of a new message.
 
 This comes useful when I see a message from David to this list, and wish
 to respond to David, and not the entire list.
 
 The outlook express equivalent was ault plus one of the num roe numbers
 twice quickly, then control a to select, and control c to copy, then
 control v on the to field of the new message to paste the address.
 
 Thanks for your help to a newbe.
 
 Antonio
 
 
 On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:22 AM, David Taylor wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if a thread is collapsed, just hit enter and every message is
> opened, each one in its own window. This means that if you think you may
> want to reply, you can simply use cmd-w to close the first message, then
> delete the others, and reply at the end. I find this much better than
> anything I ever had in Windows.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 
> On 12 Oct 2010, at 04:52, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
> hello go to view and sort by thread and collapse threads. I set  up a
> keyboard shortcut regarding these 2 and I go over how to do this in a
> podcast.
> 
> 2. Go to the left of the person's name when you expand a thread with
> right arrow and you will hear unread image and a bong sound. select all
> of those int eh thread and hit enter and cmd w on the ones you don't want
> to read when you get to them.
> 
> This makes for faster skimming.
> 
> Take care.
> On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
> 
>> Hello listers,
>> 
>> I am migrating still from a windows machine, and do find some of the mac
>> ways more cumbersome than necessary.
>> 
>> Maybe there are settings I can change to make my life a little easier
>> when reading and managing e-mails.
>> 
>> First is there a way to view messages in collapsed conversation mode? I
>> would like to view conversations in the order the messages were written,
>> one right next to the other.
>> 
>> Another unfortunate thing is my inability to just jump from unread to
>> unread message, thus ignoring something I already went through.
>> 
>> I appreciate any word about these two efficiency features.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Antonio Guimaraes
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Apple holding back to the Mac event on October 20th

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Their might be some OS 10.7, lion news coming next week.  Read more at
http://goo.gl/mdBR


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Silverlight

[louie]

Hi all,
Has any one used Silverlight plug in with Safari?
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removing bootcamp partitions

[Damon Fibraio]

 

 

Is it possible to delete a bootcamp partition? I have a macbook pro with
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to kill that partition and just use the mac osx operating system. How can I
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VoiceOver Utility

[Linda Adams]

Hello, everyone.  I have gotten my Apple Mac Book working again.  Now I want to 
experiment with the settings in VoiceOver Utility to get as much shown to me in 
a list view as I can do with Apple.  I would appreciate knowing the process and 
specific keystrokes when I press VO F8.  What are the specific keystrokes for 
seeing all the categories and all the options?  The Getting Started manual says 
how the window for each program is organized and which side the buttons are on 
and which side the categories are on, but there is no "when you hear this 
dialog, press that if you want such and such."  

Thank you so much for your help.  I think that if I learn what to expect and 
what keystrokes I need to use to respond, I can figure out quite a bit on my 
own after that.  

Linda Adams

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general Mac questions

[Robert Hooper]

As a way of demonstrating my utter inexperience with the Mac operating system 
(or my lack of motivation to find certain information with Google), I have a 
few questions. My first question regards Mail. Is there a way to jump quickly 
to the top or bottom of a table-specifically, the messages table? Barring that, 
is there a way to move quickly by larger increments? In Outlook, page up and 
page down move by 25 messages, I believe. Likewise, home and end jump straight 
to the top or bottom of the message list respectively. The reason I ask is 
because I routinely have a large quantity of messages in my Inbox, and I don't 
want to start by spending five minutes arrowing to the top of the table.
My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On the 
Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using Firefox 
with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha image and placed 
it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the appropriate edit box. Also, 
if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an audio alternative. I am 
trying to create an iChat account on the Mac. Naturally, this requires the use 
of the AOL web site. Before I can proceed to create my account, the web site 
requires that a captcha be entered. Although they provide an audio alternative, 
Safari is completely unable to use it and the link (upon checking) is java 
scripted. I know that Firefox is not at all accessible on the Mac side (at 
least from the information I received on this list), so are there any 
alternatives for captchas? Also web-related, how do I go about obtaining 
Webkit-as some seem to think this a better web browsing solution in general? 
Your contributions, time, and patience are appreciated.
Thanks:)
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Re: VoiceOver Utility

[Colin M]

Hi Linda!
When you go into vo utility, you will be on the general settings, just scroll 
right and you will be given different options like on mine I've change how my 
Mac starts up!
Then when you have tweaked what you want on that setting, go back to where it 
says categories table general!
Just interact with it either with on quick nav [ down and right arrows at the 
same time ]
or with the command vo+shift+down arrow.
In the table are 9 options scroll down to the next one you want to look at, 
then just stop interacting, then you'll be on thats settings, then scroll right 
and see what you want to change!
Do not panic! If you are just looking to see what's there and do not change 
anything when you come out it will be ok!
So I would have a look at all the options to see where you might want to make 
changes!
If you're happy to change something then do so!
And if you're not sure you can always come back to the list!
hth Colin
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> Hello, everyone.  I have gotten my Apple Mac Book working again.  Now I want 
> to experiment with the settings in VoiceOver Utility to get as much shown to 
> me in a list view as I can do with Apple.  I would appreciate knowing the 
> process and specific keystrokes when I press VO F8.  What are the specific 
> keystrokes for seeing all the categories and all the options?  The Getting 
> Started manual says how the window for each program is organised and which 
> side the buttons are on and which side the categories are on, but there is no 
> "when you hear this dialog, press that if you want such and such." 
>  
> Thank you so much for your help.  I think that if I learn what to expect and 
> what keystrokes I need to use to respond, I can figure out quite a bit on my 
> own after that. 
>  
> Linda Adams
>  
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Re: Need Help: Blind Musicians

[Blake Hardin]

Hi, i have been playing guitar for years and i play everyday of my
life for at least two hours. I tell you that to let you know i have
some calluses haha and that even on my left hand i can still read
braille just fine. So yes you should be fine.

On 10/13/10, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Gambling, now that's something I can get behind.  More Blackjack than Poker
> but that's all good!
>
> Maybe I wouldn't have lost 250,000 and change to the Mohegan sun if I used
> moisturizer over vacation.
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Cameron wrote:
>
>> I would not suggest that for the fingers on her fretting hand though.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Need Help: Blind Musicians
>>
>> moisturizing lotion used on your fingers every day should keep the skin
>> soft
>> and maintain sensitivity (its an old poker players trick).
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Cameron wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.  you should be fine.  the callus will be on the tip of your finger,
>> not
>>> on the pad of it.
>>>
>>> If you are right handed, then your fretting hand, where the calluses will
>>> be, will be your left hand.  If you are left handed, then your fretting
>> hand
>>> will be your right.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Cameron.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sonnia
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:18 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: Need Help: Blind Musicians
>>>
>>> Hello all. Please forgive me for being a bit off topic but i need a
>>> little help from any blind musicians (specifically those that have
>>> experience with stringed instruments.) I just wasn't sure where to go
>>> for some help and i am hoping we have some string instrument  players
>>> here.
>>> I'm interested in learning the violin but I've heard of musicians
>>> developing calluses from extended playing. I was wondering if anyone
>>> could tell me if i can alter the playing technique in anyway that
>>> would keep the braille reading portion of my left index finger callus
>>> free. Could i use some alternative fingering method or any technique
>>> so that i can play the violin but still read braille? Again, sorry for
>>> going off topic. :)
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Re: removing bootcamp partitions

[Scott Ford]

Hello,
It is extreemly simple to do.  Just start the bootcamp wizard and one 
of the first things that it askes is do you want to remove the bootcamp 
partition.  What is really scarry is how fast it does it.  
Later,
Scott

On Oct 13, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:

>  
>  
> Is it possible to delete a bootcamp partition? I have a macbook pro with snow 
> lepard on it. I used bootcamp to dual boot windows xp. I think I want to kill 
> that partition and just use the mac osx operating system. How can I do this? 
> Is it even possible?
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Re: removing bootcamp partitions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Damon!

Simply go into the Bootcamp Assistant again, and you click continue. Then, you 
get two choices. "Create or remove Windows partition" or "Start the Windows 
Installer". Obviously, you choose the first choice, select the partition you 
want to remove if you have multiple ones and click restore.

That's all there is to it.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:

>  
>  
> Is it possible to delete a bootcamp partition? I have a macbook pro with snow 
> lepard on it. I used bootcamp to dual boot windows xp. I think I want to kill 
> that partition and just use the mac osx operating system. How can I do this? 
> Is it even possible?
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RE: removing bootcamp partitions

[Damon Fibraio]

Scott. Thanks a lot. I'll keep this in mind.

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ford
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: removing bootcamp partitions

 

Hello,

It is extreemly simple to do.  Just start the bootcamp wizard
and one of the first things that it askes is do you want to remove the
bootcamp partition.  What is really scarry is how fast it does it.  

Later,

Scott

 

On Oct 13, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:





 

 

Is it possible to delete a bootcamp partition? I have a macbook pro with
snow lepard on it. I used bootcamp to dual boot windows xp. I think I want
to kill that partition and just use the mac osx operating system. How can I
do this? Is it even possible?

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Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio

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Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com

 

 

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Re: [Bulk] Silverlight

[Ray Foret Jr]

Yes.

IF you go to:

www.wwl.com

and register, you can listen to the stream; but, to do so, you must download 
and install Silverlight.  No prob on this end.


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
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> Hi all,
> Has any one used Silverlight plug in with Safari?
> louie
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Re: general Mac questions

[Ray Foret Jr]

When in the message table, if you press asnd hold the option key and up or down 
for about one second, this action will move you to the top or bottom of the 
table.


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On Oct 13, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:

> As a way of demonstrating my utter inexperience with the Mac operating system 
> (or my lack of motivation to find certain information with Google), I have a 
> few questions. My first question regards Mail. Is there a way to jump quickly 
> to the top or bottom of a table—specifically, the messages table? Barring 
> that, is there a way to move quickly by larger increments? In Outlook, page 
> up and page down move by 25 messages, I believe. Likewise, home and end jump 
> straight to the top or bottom of the message list respectively. The reason I 
> ask is because I routinely have a large quantity of messages in my Inbox, and 
> I don’t want to start by spending five minutes arrowing to the top of the 
> table.
> 
> My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas—need I say more? On the 
> Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using Firefox 
> with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha image and 
> placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the appropriate edit 
> box. Also, if you didn’t wish to use Firefox, there was usually an audio 
> alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac. Naturally, 
> this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can proceed to create my 
> account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered. Although they 
> provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable to use it and the 
> link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox is not at all 
> accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I received on this 
> list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also web-related, how do I 
> go about obtaining Webkit—as some seem to think this a better web browsing 
> solution in general? Your contributions, time, and patience are appreciated.
> 
> ThanksJ
> 
> Robert Hooper
> 
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messengers

[Damon Fibraio]

OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about
accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here's my deal.

 

Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using
bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that
maybe it's time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp
partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to
make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there's a program called
adium, but not sure. Haven't gotten very far into this. So, any help you can
give me would be huge. Thanks.

 

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Re: general Mac questions / Captchas

[Jonathan Cohn]

I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder...  VO-Shift-M on a
picture will bring up a contextual menu.  Could one put a send image
to Abby Reader as an acttion in there?
That would solve this problem.
Jon


>> My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
>> the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
>> Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha
>> image
>> and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the
>> appropriate
>> edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
>> audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
>> Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can
>> proceed
>> to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
>> Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable
>> to
>> use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox
>> is
>> not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
>> received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
>> web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this
>> a
>> better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
>> patience are appreciated.
>> Thanks:)
>> Robert Hooper
>> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
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Re: general Mac questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

1.  There are a couple of ways to jump around a table. In all cases
you should be interacting with the table.
1. Use jump cursor mode... VO-shift-J puts you in jump mode, there are
8 combinations you can then use...
1. VO-arrow move to the visible edge in the direction of  the arrow.
2. VO-shift-arrow move to the edge of the table in the arrows direction.
2. Use the three finger swipe..
3. Item chooser VOI-I or numpad 1. Will display most elements
available in a list, that shrinks as you type (try Oct) for getting to
October
4. PageUp / PageDown keeys (if on reduced size keyboard, use FN + Up/Down )
5. Use the search functionality, there is always spotlight, and most
Apple programs have a command-f or command-option-f for search.
6. Use "Smart mailboxes" / folders that automatically search for you.
There is an example of all files created in the last week...







On 13/10/2010, Robert Hooper  wrote:
> As a way of demonstrating my utter inexperience with the Mac operating
> system (or my lack of motivation to find certain information with Google), I
> have a few questions. My first question regards Mail. Is there a way to jump
> quickly to the top or bottom of a table-specifically, the messages table?
> Barring that, is there a way to move quickly by larger increments? In
> Outlook, page up and page down move by 25 messages, I believe. Likewise,
> home and end jump straight to the top or bottom of the message list
> respectively. The reason I ask is because I routinely have a large quantity
> of messages in my Inbox, and I don't want to start by spending five minutes
> arrowing to the top of the table.
> My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
> the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
> Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha image
> and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the appropriate
> edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
> audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
> Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can proceed
> to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
> Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable to
> use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox is
> not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
> received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
> web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this a
> better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
> patience are appreciated.
> Thanks:)
> Robert Hooper
> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
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Re: messengers

[Jonathan Cohn]

I personally use iChat, though there are a few folks on the list that
use Aanother program.  iChat supports AOL and Jabber protocols, so
that means that it also supports facebook and google chat.

on


On 13/10/2010, Damon Fibraio  wrote:
> OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about
> accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here's my deal.
>
>
>
> Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using
> bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that
> maybe it's time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp
> partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to
> make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there's a program called
> adium, but not sure. Haven't gotten very far into this. So, any help you can
> give me would be huge. Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
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>
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>
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RE: messengers

[Damon Fibraio]

OK, so what works with msn/windows live messenger. I need this part for
work.

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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: messengers

I personally use iChat, though there are a few folks on the list that
use Aanother program.  iChat supports AOL and Jabber protocols, so
that means that it also supports facebook and google chat.

on


On 13/10/2010, Damon Fibraio  wrote:
> OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about
> accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here's my deal.
>
>
>
> Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using
> bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that
> maybe it's time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp
> partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to
> make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there's a program called
> adium, but not sure. Haven't gotten very far into this. So, any help you
can
> give me would be huge. Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Damon Fibraio
>
> screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: dfibraio
>
> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
>
> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>
> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>
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Parallels Desktop and accessibility with VO

[Brent Harding]

Hi there. I've been looking at running Windows on my Mac to play a couple 
games and maybe to do a little streaming, probably with Stationplaylist. I 
heard Sara's demo of Fusion and how incredibly bad the audio was almost like 
a buffered stream or something. Is Parallels any better in this regard? How 
is switching between Mac and the Windows virtual machine handled with 
Parallels, and will it create conflicts with Jaws in hot key assignments? 
This thing gave me trouble with trying Boot Camp under SL before, it's 
probably from late 2007 or 08 and when it tells you to restart with the 
Windows disk, it does, but stays on a blank screen with a flashing cursor 
and no error no matter how long you wait, with two different XP disks, C on 
startup, or any other way of telling it to boot from CD I know of. I called 
Apple about this awhile ago, but they won't help me because the warranty I 
had (all 6 months of it) when I got the thing used on Ebay was done for 
anyways. There's no Apple store in my area. Is there any other way to force 
windows xp down this thing since it's the laptop I have and the need is 
still around for software that is Win only? I know it's definitely Intel, or 
it says it is, never know with stuff you buy used, but it should be. Will I 
get the multiple streams or whatever they call that where Jaws can mix with 
whatever else I'm doing, running Parallels if I went that way? My dad 
suggested that as he knew a guy for this company whose been using that for 
awhile now. I don't know that they do much audio from the Windows side, but 
I don't know how to take the HD out, stick it in a PC, and install Win XP on 
the second partition that way to force it to do what Apple says is 
supported.


Thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan Cohn" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: general Mac questions / Captchas



I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder...  VO-Shift-M on a
picture will bring up a contextual menu.  Could one put a send image
to Abby Reader as an acttion in there?
That would solve this problem.
Jon


My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? 
On

the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha
image
and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the
appropriate
edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can
proceed
to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable
to
use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that 
Firefox

is
not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think 
this

a
better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
patience are appreciated.
Thanks:)
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu

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Re: general Mac questions / Captchas

[Ray Foret Jr]

For me, the answer is this:

www.solona.net

There's a handy tool you can install and run via termin.app which will really 
help wi the captcha issue.  There's even a process you can do so that, in order 
to solve a captcha, you just snap a shot of the screen using shift+command+3 
and then press a hot key you define to automatically send the image to Solona 
using your Solona ID and password.  Thanks to Nickoli, this process is so 
painless, it's unbelievable.  I personally guarantee it does work.


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Oct 13, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder...  VO-Shift-M on a
> picture will bring up a contextual menu.  Could one put a send image
> to Abby Reader as an acttion in there?
> That would solve this problem.
> Jon
> 
> 
>>> My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
>>> the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
>>> Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha
>>> image
>>> and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the
>>> appropriate
>>> edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
>>> audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
>>> Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can
>>> proceed
>>> to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
>>> Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable
>>> to
>>> use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox
>>> is
>>> not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
>>> received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
>>> web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this
>>> a
>>> better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
>>> patience are appreciated.
>>> Thanks:)
>>> Robert Hooper
>>> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
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ways of tagging sections in a document

[DJ Nezumi]

hi
i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
in general.
for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
jaws.
is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
thanks regards
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Re: messengers

[Dan Eickmeier]

Hi Damon, yep, Adium works really well,  with MSN messenger,  AOL messenger, 
and a whole bunch of other IM services.  If you need help feel free to email  
off-list.   
On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:

> OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about 
> accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here’s my deal.
>  
> Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using 
> bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that 
> maybe it’s time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp 
> partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to 
> make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there’s a program called 
> adium, but not sure. Haven’t gotten very far into this. So, any help you can 
> give me would be huge. Thanks.
>  
> --
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> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
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> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
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Re: messengers

[Eric Oyen]

Adium is your program of choice.
I primarily use it for icq and facebook. it supports a number of other chat 
protocols including yahoo, google talk, bing, etc). also, you will end up 
installing growl. that is a side program designed to make programs (like adium) 
a lot more accessible (I use it with skype).

However, you don't need to have growl active with adium, but it certainly helps.

-Eric

On Oct 13, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:

> OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about 
> accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here’s my deal.
>  
> Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using 
> bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that 
> maybe it’s time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp 
> partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to 
> make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there’s a program called 
> adium, but not sure. Haven’t gotten very far into this. So, any help you can 
> give me would be huge. Thanks.
>  
> --
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> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
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Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[Sarah Alawami]

Not that I'm aware of but there are others on this list more experienced then 
me. Waht are you using for your editor?
On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:17 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote:

> hi
> i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
> document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
> in general.
> for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
> jaws.
> is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
> thanks regards
> Liam
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Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[Jonathan Cohn]

Are you looking for just while the file is open, or for re-occurrence
every time you open the file.

If you are looking for a temporary marker, then hot spots should work.

Also, the VO navigation kekeys for jumping to headers and tables
should work in most applications.

Best regards,

Jon



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> hi
> i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
> document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
> in general.
> for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
> jaws.
> is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
> thanks regards
> Liam
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Re: messengers

[Kevin Reeves]

Adium is awesome. It's kinda like miranda in a way. Real open source, tons of 
stuff it can interface with. Love it.
On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> Adium is your program of choice.
> I primarily use it for icq and facebook. it supports a number of other chat 
> protocols including yahoo, google talk, bing, etc). also, you will end up 
> installing growl. that is a side program designed to make programs (like 
> adium) a lot more accessible (I use it with skype).
> 
> However, you don't need to have growl active with adium, but it certainly 
> helps.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
> 
>> OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about 
>> accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here’s my deal.
>> 
>> Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using 
>> bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that 
>> maybe it’s time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp 
>> partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to 
>> make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there’s a program called 
>> adium, but not sure. Haven’t gotten very far into this. So, any help you can 
>> give me would be huge. Thanks.
>> 
>> --
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>> screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: dfibraio
>> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
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Re: general Mac questions

[Linda Adams]

Robert,

For captcha check out Solona.net.

For Webkit go to 
webkit.org

Linda

On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:

> As a way of demonstrating my utter inexperience with the Mac operating system 
> (or my lack of motivation to find certain information with Google), I have a 
> few questions. My first question regards Mail. Is there a way to jump quickly 
> to the top or bottom of a table—specifically, the messages table? Barring 
> that, is there a way to move quickly by larger increments? In Outlook, page 
> up and page down move by 25 messages, I believe. Likewise, home and end jump 
> straight to the top or bottom of the message list respectively. The reason I 
> ask is because I routinely have a large quantity of messages in my Inbox, and 
> I don’t want to start by spending five minutes arrowing to the top of the 
> table.
> My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas—need I say more? On the 
> Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using Firefox 
> with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha image and 
> placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the appropriate edit 
> box. Also, if you didn’t wish to use Firefox, there was usually an audio 
> alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac. Naturally, 
> this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can proceed to create my 
> account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered. Although they 
> provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable to use it and the 
> link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox is not at all 
> accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I received on this 
> list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also web-related, how do I 
> go about obtaining Webkit—as some seem to think this a better web browsing 
> solution in general? Your contributions, time, and patience are appreciated.
> ThanksJ
> Robert Hooper
> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
>  
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"empty:" Microsoft word document...

[Jonathan Cohn]

I  had a co-worker send me a Microsoft word file with documentation on
a process I am supposed to implement.   Jaws however just says "empty
page" for all four pages.  I am therefore assuming that screen image
captures were pushed into word.  I don't really wnat to ask for a
resend of the document, so using my XP system with JAWS 11, NVDA  and
MS office 2003 and my Macintosh with ABBY, iWork, WebKit and latest
version of Snow Leopard, what are the best approaches to get data back
out of the word document and into my mind?

The PC also has "printers" from MS called   "Office Document Writer"

Best regards,

Jon

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Re: Parallels Desktop and accessibility with VO

[Scott Granados]

DO not use parallels, it pretty much sucks the big one in terms of performance 
and fusion is much more accessible.

Also, audio is not a problem under fusion.  I'm not sure what you heard but I 
run tons of apps under fusion at the same time as apps on the Mac and no 
problems.  Streaming, the TTS for jfw, music, no problems at all.

Next, installing windows is pretty easy.  Just follow the prompts in 
fusion and you'll be good to go enough to start the internal tts with windows 
which will get you going enough to install JFW or Window-eyes (insert your 
screen reader of choice).

Enjoy
Scott




On Oct 13, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

> Hi there. I've been looking at running Windows on my Mac to play a couple 
> games and maybe to do a little streaming, probably with Stationplaylist. I 
> heard Sara's demo of Fusion and how incredibly bad the audio was almost like 
> a buffered stream or something. Is Parallels any better in this regard? How 
> is switching between Mac and the Windows virtual machine handled with 
> Parallels, and will it create conflicts with Jaws in hot key assignments? 
> This thing gave me trouble with trying Boot Camp under SL before, it's 
> probably from late 2007 or 08 and when it tells you to restart with the 
> Windows disk, it does, but stays on a blank screen with a flashing cursor and 
> no error no matter how long you wait, with two different XP disks, C on 
> startup, or any other way of telling it to boot from CD I know of. I called 
> Apple about this awhile ago, but they won't help me because the warranty I 
> had (all 6 months of it) when I got the thing used on Ebay was done for 
> anyways. There's no Apple store in my area. Is there any other way to force 
> windows xp down this thing since it's the laptop I have and the need is still 
> around for software that is Win only? I know it's definitely Intel, or it 
> says it is, never know with stuff you buy used, but it should be. Will I get 
> the multiple streams or whatever they call that where Jaws can mix with 
> whatever else I'm doing, running Parallels if I went that way? My dad 
> suggested that as he knew a guy for this company whose been using that for 
> awhile now. I don't know that they do much audio from the Windows side, but I 
> don't know how to take the HD out, stick it in a PC, and install Win XP on 
> the second partition that way to force it to do what Apple says is supported.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Cohn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: general Mac questions / Captchas
> 
> 
>> I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder...  VO-Shift-M on a
>> picture will bring up a contextual menu.  Could one put a send image
>> to Abby Reader as an acttion in there?
>> That would solve this problem.
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
 My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
 the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
 Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha
 image
 and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the
 appropriate
 edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
 audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
 Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can
 proceed
 to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
 Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable
 to
 use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox
 is
 not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
 received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
 web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this
 a
 better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
 patience are appreciated.
 Thanks:)
 Robert Hooper
 hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
 
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Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[DJ Nezumi]

hi
thanks for your responses. @sarah i'm most likely going to use Nisus
writer pro but could use pages at a push. @jonathan i would like this
to happen everytime i open the document. just to let you know the
keystrokes for headings etc only work in safari unfortunaetly.

thanks Liam
Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> Are you looking for just while the file is open, or for re-occurrence
> every time you open the file.
>
> If you are looking for a temporary marker, then hot spots should work.
>
> Also, the VO navigation kekeys for jumping to headers and tables
> should work in most applications.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> On 13/10/2010, DJ Nezumi  wrote:
> > hi
> > i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
> > document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
> > in general.
> > for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
> > jaws.
> > is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
> > thanks regards
> > Liam
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Re: dragon dictate for mac?

[Goldfinga Productions]

well I don't have the $200 I would need to get it, but I can say that if it 
works as well as its little brother, the iPhone version works, I would start 
saving right now. Its cool to be able to just talk out an email or a command 
from across the room or what ever. Some times I may be doing something on the 
other computer, and need to reply to an email. This would be a wonderful tool 
for that.

GF


On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> 
> http://gizmodo.com/5642873/dragon-dictate-20-for-mac-is-a-better-listener-than-ever?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29
> 
> 
> It's been a few weeks since release, but i had it in my yojimbo bookmarks and 
> wondered if anyone has had the chance to try it out, accessible? Good?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> Yuma DX®
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> 
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> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 
> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
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Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[DJ Nezumi]

hi thanks for your responses. @Sarah i'm most likely going to suse
either nisus writer pro or pages.
@jonathan i would like this to happen every time that i open the
document. unfortunately dude the headings keystroke etc only works in
safari.
thanks
Liam

DJ Nezumi wrote:
> hi
> i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
> document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
> in general.
> for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
> jaws.
> is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
> thanks regards
> Liam

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Re: "empty:" Microsoft word document...

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi John:
Perhaps this is a far-fetched idea.  But here goes.

Could you safe the word file in a pdf format and bring it to the mac to read 
with preview?
Or, safe the word file as a text file and bring it over that way?  
Carolyn
On Oct 13, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> I  had a co-worker send me a Microsoft word file with documentation on
> a process I am supposed to implement.   Jaws however just says "empty
> page" for all four pages.  I am therefore assuming that screen image
> captures were pushed into word.  I don't really wnat to ask for a
> resend of the document, so using my XP system with JAWS 11, NVDA  and
> MS office 2003 and my Macintosh with ABBY, iWork, WebKit and latest
> version of Snow Leopard, what are the best approaches to get data back
> out of the word document and into my mind?
> 
> The PC also has "printers" from MS called   "Office Document Writer"
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jon
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Handytech

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi guys:
I decided to look more closely at the braille display options offered by 
handytech.  While on their website, I learned that they have developed their 
own manual, workbook and tutorial, as well as a 3 day workshop for learning the 
mac with voiceover.  I was kind of excited to learn this, as it's another 
possible resource,.  And I love tracking things down.  
So, I'm wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with them, the 
workshop, or their products.  They are beginning to take their workshop on the 
road to different states.  It would be very cool to get involved with, if there 
were enough people in a state to request a workshop.  
Any info welcome.

Carolyn
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Re: "empty:" Microsoft word document...

[Ray Foret Jr]

Why not just run Abby Fine Reader on the file?  IF that fails, maybe convert it 
to a .pdf file?  From that point, if necessary, (I bet it will be necessary if 
it's a scanned image ot text) you could then run Abby Fine Reader on it.


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi John:
> Perhaps this is a far-fetched idea.  But here goes.
> 
> Could you safe the word file in a pdf format and bring it to the mac to read 
> with preview?
> Or, safe the word file as a text file and bring it over that way?  
> Carolyn
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> 
>> I  had a co-worker send me a Microsoft word file with documentation on
>> a process I am supposed to implement.   Jaws however just says "empty
>> page" for all four pages.  I am therefore assuming that screen image
>> captures were pushed into word.  I don't really wnat to ask for a
>> resend of the document, so using my XP system with JAWS 11, NVDA  and
>> MS office 2003 and my Macintosh with ABBY, iWork, WebKit and latest
>> version of Snow Leopard, what are the best approaches to get data back
>> out of the word document and into my mind?
>> 
>> The PC also has "printers" from MS called   "Office Document Writer"
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jon
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erasing music from iPod, but not from Mac

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

All:
My music on my phone isn't organized, so I want to delete the music, only from 
the phone, and not my Mac. How do I do this? I'm manually managing content 
using iTunes.
Thanks,

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Re: Handytech

[Isaac Obie]

Hello Carolyn,
Handytech now sells macs and when you buy one, you get their tutorial for 
Macs. they've developed a dvd that they sell for 470 for their training. 
they offer workshops as you mentioned. three day workshops on the mac. they 
seem to be expanding this all over the country. I hear there's one in 
Tennesee either this month or next.

I have their braillino notetaker which I use with my mac.
Isaac
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Haas" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:35 PM
Subject: Handytech


Hi guys:
I decided to look more closely at the braille display options offered by 
handytech.  While on their website, I learned that they have developed their 
own manual, workbook and tutorial, as well as a 3 day workshop for learning 
the mac with voiceover.  I was kind of excited to learn this, as it's 
another possible resource,.  And I love tracking things down.
So, I'm wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with them, the 
workshop, or their products.  They are beginning to take their workshop on 
the road to different states.  It would be very cool to get involved with, 
if there were enough people in a state to request a workshop.

Any info welcome.

Carolyn
chaas0...@gmail.com


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Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[Linda Adams]

Thanks Liam for asking this question.  I too, would be interested.  I use text 
edit and would want the tags to be permanent.  Does anything exist that would 
do this for us?

Linda

On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:17 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote:

> hi
> i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
> document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
> in general.
> for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
> jaws.
> is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
> thanks regards
> Liam
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Re: "empty:" Microsoft word document...

[heather kd5cbl]

If you have kurzweil1000 on the windows side, just run it through, if 
nothing else works.  But you should be able to open the file and do a save 
as in to another format to read it!  My teacher always seem to send me word 
docs of a scanned worksheet, annoying!  So I sometimes had to run it through 
kurzweil1000.  Heather 


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Re: messengers

[Chantel Cuddemi]

To access aim, use ichat. Msn can be accessed with adium. 
Go to
http://www.adiumx.com to download adium. 
On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:

> OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about 
> accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here’s my deal.
>  
> Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using 
> bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that 
> maybe it’s time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp 
> partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to 
> make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there’s a program called 
> adium, but not sure. Haven’t gotten very far into this. So, any help you can 
> give me would be huge. Thanks.
>  
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Re: Parallels Desktop and accessibility with VO

[Chantel Cuddemi]

Paralles is inaccessible. Boot camp or fusion wioudl work. 
On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

> Hi there. I've been looking at running Windows on my Mac to play a couple 
> games and maybe to do a little streaming, probably with Stationplaylist. I 
> heard Sara's demo of Fusion and how incredibly bad the audio was almost like 
> a buffered stream or something. Is Parallels any better in this regard? How 
> is switching between Mac and the Windows virtual machine handled with 
> Parallels, and will it create conflicts with Jaws in hot key assignments? 
> This thing gave me trouble with trying Boot Camp under SL before, it's 
> probably from late 2007 or 08 and when it tells you to restart with the 
> Windows disk, it does, but stays on a blank screen with a flashing cursor and 
> no error no matter how long you wait, with two different XP disks, C on 
> startup, or any other way of telling it to boot from CD I know of. I called 
> Apple about this awhile ago, but they won't help me because the warranty I 
> had (all 6 months of it) when I got the thing used on Ebay was done for 
> anyways. There's no Apple store in my area. Is there any other way to force 
> windows xp down this thing since it's the laptop I have and the need is still 
> around for software that is Win only? I know it's definitely Intel, or it 
> says it is, never know with stuff you buy used, but it should be. Will I get 
> the multiple streams or whatever they call that where Jaws can mix with 
> whatever else I'm doing, running Parallels if I went that way? My dad 
> suggested that as he knew a guy for this company whose been using that for 
> awhile now. I don't know that they do much audio from the Windows side, but I 
> don't know how to take the HD out, stick it in a PC, and install Win XP on 
> the second partition that way to force it to do what Apple says is supported.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Cohn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: general Mac questions / Captchas
> 
> 
>> I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder...  VO-Shift-M on a
>> picture will bring up a contextual menu.  Could one put a send image
>> to Abby Reader as an acttion in there?
>> That would solve this problem.
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
 My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
 the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
 Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha
 image
 and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the
 appropriate
 edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
 audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
 Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can
 proceed
 to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
 Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable
 to
 use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox
 is
 not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
 received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
 web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this
 a
 better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
 patience are appreciated.
 Thanks:)
 Robert Hooper
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Re: Handytech

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:

Yes, well and good for Handy Tech, but 

The Apple stores sells a service plan where anyone can get tutoring for $99.00 
from any Apple store for I think two years, along with the hardware support 
plan.  No special anything.

They're just trying to tap into the current rehab-based, rather than the 
emerging community-based blindness access using the perceived requirements of a 
new paradigm.

We have to allow ourselves into the mainstream community in the tech area, 
among others, in order to give real credence to our claims that we are not, 
after all, dependent on separate but equal, special, extra training by 
carefully selected experts, who thrive based on the separate is necessary 
modality.


Regards,
Cheree Heppe






- Original Message - 
From: "Isaac Obie" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Handytech


> Hello Carolyn,
> Handytech now sells macs and when you buy one, you get their tutorial for 
> Macs. they've developed a dvd that they sell for 470 for their training. 
> they offer workshops as you mentioned. three day workshops on the mac. they 
> seem to be expanding this all over the country. I hear there's one in 
> Tennesee either this month or next.
> I have their braillino notetaker which I use with my mac.
> Isaac
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Carolyn Haas" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:35 PM
> Subject: Handytech
> 
> 
> Hi guys:
> I decided to look more closely at the braille display options offered by 
> handytech.  While on their website, I learned that they have developed their 
> own manual, workbook and tutorial, as well as a 3 day workshop for learning 
> the mac with voiceover.  I was kind of excited to learn this, as it's 
> another possible resource,.  And I love tracking things down.
> So, I'm wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with them, the 
> workshop, or their products.  They are beginning to take their workshop on 
> the road to different states.  It would be very cool to get involved with, 
> if there were enough people in a state to request a workshop.
> Any info welcome.
> 
> Carolyn
> chaas0...@gmail.com
> 
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Accessible Ulternative browzer?

[Mike]

Hi all:

I'm wondering if there's an alternative accessible web browser?
I'm getting tired of Safari crashes and lock ups and then having to
use web kit.
If this thing is so grate, how come apple doesn't update it weekly
with the web kit engine?
Puzzled:

Mike

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mp3 vs aac

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

All:
I might have to rip all my cd's again! *sigh* Any experience with aac vs mp3? 
Which is better?

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Re: Handytech

[Mary Otten]

I would say that the experience you would get from a 3 day intensive workshop 
would be quite different from the experience you'd get from a now and then 
tutoring at your local Apple store, if you happen to live close enough to one 
to make the approach of traveling to and from the store reasonable. I am sure 
there is a place for both approaches, intensive workshop and occasional 
tutoring. I also venture to guess that the level of vo knowledge at apple 
stores is not uniformly wonderful. Even if it is, lots of places don't have 
apple stores. We don't. We have a Mac Store, and the people there are not 
helpful when it comes to voice over. They're nice; they just don't know much 
about it or working with somebody who uses it. When I took my IPod in there the 
other day, I had to turn off vo, because the tech could not deal with the IPod 
with vo on. Do you want training from a guy like that? Nope. 

Mary
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Re: mp3 vs aac

[David McLean]

I think aac sounds better.  If you have to go with a lossy format that would be 
the better choice.
On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> All:
> I might have to rip all my cd's again! *sigh* Any experience with aac vs mp3? 
> Which is better?
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Re: Handytech

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:

Our Apple and our Mac guys are very trained and intelligent.  They know how to 
learn and don't have a limited knowledge of VO.  At least, their limited 
knowledge is less limited than my limited knowledge.

I think Handy Tech is just playing on fear of open community access and getting 
the rehab dollar while they can.


Regards,
Cheree Heppe


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From: "Mary Otten" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Handytech


I would say that the experience you would get from a 3 day intensive workshop 
would be quite different from the experience you'd get from a now and then 
tutoring at your local Apple store, if you happen to live close enough to one 
to make the approach of traveling to and from the store reasonable. I am sure 
there is a place for both approaches, intensive workshop and occasional 
tutoring. I also venture to guess that the level of vo knowledge at apple 
stores is not uniformly wonderful. Even if it is, lots of places don't have 
apple stores. We don't. We have a Mac Store, and the people there are not 
helpful when it comes to voice over. They're nice; they just don't know much 
about it or working with somebody who uses it. When I took my IPod in there the 
other day, I had to turn off vo, because the tech could not deal with the IPod 
with vo on. Do you want training from a guy like that? Nope. 

Mary
Mary Otten
motte...@gmail.com


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Re: Accessible Ulternative browzer?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Mike,

I'm wondering what sorts of things are you browsing that is causing Safari to 
freeze and/or crash.  I've seldom, if ever, had safari crash on me.  There are 
some sites that don't act properly, but never have I had it crash like you're 
speaking of.

to answer your question though, you may wish to try Opera.  It does actually 
read the elements of a web-page and allows some of the VO commands that work in 
Safari but there are quite a number of navigation issues as well in my opinion. 
 Give it a try if you'd like and see how it goes.  Other than that, I don't 
believe that any other browsers are accessible.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2010-10-13, at 7:29 PM, Mike wrote:

> Hi all:
> 
> I'm wondering if there's an alternative accessible web browser?
> I'm getting tired of Safari crashes and lock ups and then having to
> use web kit.
> If this thing is so grate, how come apple doesn't update it weekly
> with the web kit engine?
> Puzzled:
> 
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Re: Accessible Ulternative browzer?

[Justin Ekis]

Hi Mike,

I just use webkit as my default browser and don't even worry about safari. They 
can't use it as the default just yet because it is still a work in progress. 
However, I have been following apple news sites such as apple insider that have 
been reporting about private betas of the next free minor update, 10.6.5. It 
seems someone posted the beta notes, and it mentioned that safari with 
voiceover has been improved. We will see what comes out of that. There have 
been 5 betas so this can't be far off.

Justin

On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:29 PM, Mike wrote:

Hi all:

I'm wondering if there's an alternative accessible web browser?
I'm getting tired of Safari crashes and lock ups and then having to
use web kit.
If this thing is so grate, how come apple doesn't update it weekly
with the web kit engine?
Puzzled:

Mike

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Switching to the mac

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi:
Ok, I followed the link to the missing manual, found description, table of 
contents, etc.  Guess I'm pretty dense, because I don't see how to buy or 
access the book.  A push in the right direction would be most appreciated. 
TIA
Carolyn

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Re: mp3 vs aac

[Kevin Shaw]

For mobile content, you'll be fine with AAC at 128 kbps. This sounds much 
better than MP3 at higher frequencies and will fit nicely on a 32 GB iPhone or 
iPod. 

If you're listening at home or with headphones on a lazy afternoon, AAC at 256 
kbps will sound great, even for music with lots of dynamics and detail. 

If you want lossless, Apple has its own lossless format. If you're an 
audiophile and need absolute transparency with a reduced filesize, this is the 
way to go.

I find I have a mix of both  lossy and lossless formats in my library. I 
reserve my lossless compression for jazz, classical and a few world music CDs. 
Everything else is lossy AAC at 256 kbps. If I need to sync my iPhone, I 
convert everything to AAC at 128 kbps.

As an audio engineer, I have yet to find a significant deal breaker in terms of 
encoding method with AAC. Mp3s are a little too messy for my liking, but 192 
kbps and up will do in a pinch.

Cheers,
Kevin

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Re: Switching to the mac

[heather kd5cbl]

I e-mail them yesterday evening about the eBook accessibility and they told 
me that I can purchase in PDF or daisy.  I asked them where to go so I am 
waiting for an e-mail myself on the book!  So when they e-mail me tomorrow, 
I will pass it along!  Heather 


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a midi editor for the mac

[Sarah Alawami]

Hello to all I need to finding a  midi editor for the mac preferable free that 
works almost like, but better then qws. I'm trying to edit a tempo in a midi 
file and failing. Any suggestions? I can do the rest as I have synthfont now 
but please help!

Thanks.

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Re: Handytech

[ISAAC OBIE]

Well, your response certainly has the possibility of real truth because of 
the motives of people. I won't disagree with you. there's lots of politics 
in the whole issue. It's unfortunate, but there it is.

Isaac
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From: "Cheree Heppe" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Handytech



Cheree Heppe here:

Yes, well and good for Handy Tech, but 

The Apple stores sells a service plan where anyone can get tutoring for 
$99.00 from any Apple store for I think two years, along with the hardware 
support plan.  No special anything.


They're just trying to tap into the current rehab-based, rather than the 
emerging community-based blindness access using the perceived requirements 
of a new paradigm.


We have to allow ourselves into the mainstream community in the tech area, 
among others, in order to give real credence to our claims that we are 
not, after all, dependent on separate but equal, special, extra training 
by carefully selected experts, who thrive based on the separate is 
necessary modality.



Regards,
Cheree Heppe






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From: "Isaac Obie" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Handytech



Hello Carolyn,
Handytech now sells macs and when you buy one, you get their tutorial for
Macs. they've developed a dvd that they sell for 470 for their training.
they offer workshops as you mentioned. three day workshops on the mac. 
they

seem to be expanding this all over the country. I hear there's one in
Tennesee either this month or next.
I have their braillino notetaker which I use with my mac.
Isaac
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Haas" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:35 PM
Subject: Handytech


Hi guys:
I decided to look more closely at the braille display options offered by
handytech.  While on their website, I learned that they have developed 
their
own manual, workbook and tutorial, as well as a 3 day workshop for 
learning

the mac with voiceover.  I was kind of excited to learn this, as it's
another possible resource,.  And I love tracking things down.
So, I'm wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with them, the
workshop, or their products.  They are beginning to take their workshop 
on
the road to different states.  It would be very cool to get involved 
with,

if there were enough people in a state to request a workshop.
Any info welcome.

Carolyn
chaas0...@gmail.com


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