Re: NIKE+

[Chris Moore]

Hello,

Thanks for that, I have OS 4 on my iPhone and I can assure you the application 
works absolutely fine.  I have been using it for over a week now twice a day 
without a hiccup.

Kind regards


Chris 
On 16 Aug 2010, at 00:55, arthur gindin wrote:

> Chris:
> 
> 
> I monitor this group for my blind 10 y/o granddaughter, but hoped this might 
> be of interest.  my daughter was director of this project for Nike:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Not sure if you are replying to that guy, but you can tell him two things:
> If he has downloaded the new OS4 on his phone, the native app won't work. 
> They are fixing some bugs with apple. It will work fine w OS3 and he just Has 
> to buy the sensor for 19.99.
> 
> And I don't work on this anymore, at least not as the global director.
> 
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject:NIKE+
> Date:   Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:20:42 +0100
> From:   Chris Moore 
> <moor...@blueyonder.co.uk>
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> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Since going blind recently, I invested in a treadmill to keep the pounds off. 
>  Obviously if you can't see, the display on the treadmill is not much use.  
> So I activated the Nike+ app built into the iPhone and from what I can tell 
> it seems very accessible.
> 
> The thing is, I will now have to go out and get the sneakers(trainers) and 
> Nike+ sensor for it all to work.  Does anyone have any experience of the 
> Nike+ kit etc and is it worth it?  Should I just look at something like 
> iTreadmill, how do they compare?
> 
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Re: insert plus f11 key with vm fusion

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

You need (if you have a mac book pro) to assign the insert key to the accent 
key just above the tab as special caps lock using sharp keys if that is what 
you are using.  Then the insert key followed by F11 together should work.

Kawal.

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> hi listers,
> 
> i'm running windows7 with vm fusion when i try to get to the system
> tray the shortcut key insert f11 does not work.  i connected my
> wireless keyboard to my notebook and that keystroke worked there.
> does anyone know why it is not working with vm fusion?
> 
> thank you in advance.
> 
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Skype users vo suggestions

[focus]

Hi all!
I've started to talk to Skype in regard to fix a couple of things for vo users!
I do not know how much [ if anything ] will get done.
I'm suggesting that they make a better job of labelling buttons!
So I thought I would ask you all if you have any other suggestions!!
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boot camp

[chad baker]

Hi i know i'll need sighted assistance to install boot camp is there a work 
around.
I don't have any sighted help around.
vm fusion is sluggish.
I'm using a trial.
Also can you install boot camp via a vm fusion image?
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Make the images that appear actually have text other than in the images that 
refer to the same thing. One example would be the SMS sending. The rate 
appears, but you can't see it because it is within an image that obviously 
VoiceOVer is unable to read.

I tried getting in touch with Skype about all this myself a few months ago, but 
never heard back. Glad you're succeeding...hopefully we'll find out in the next 
release supposed to be out later this year. That looks more and more like the 
really, really late end of 2010.

I hope that is one of the surprises they've promised Mac users where VoiceOVer 
is concerned, though it currently still works great. I'm a bit worried, though, 
when it comes to VoiceOVer and Skype. It seems like a lot of people want a new 
interface. I technically agree with them when I think of the actually design on 
the Mac, but hopefully if that change is approved Voiceover will still be taken 
into consideration to an extent so it doesn't look too weird and awkward.

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On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:55 AM, focus wrote:

> Hi all!
> I've started to talk to Skype in regard to fix a couple of things for vo 
> users!
> I do not know how much [ if anything ] will get done.
> I'm suggesting that they make a better job of labelling buttons!
> So I thought I would ask you all if you have any other suggestions!!
> Colin
> Skype focus_66
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Re: boot camp

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Chad,

You cannot install a Bootcamp partition via VMWare FUsion. While you can 
actually convert a Bootcamp partition into a virtual machine, it is not 
possible to reverse the process. You cannot convert a virtual machine to a 
Bootcamp partition.

I know how to create an unattended installation, and I would suppose this would 
work as well. I believe Blake once informed us a bit about this, so looking in 
the archives might be a good idea if you're really curious. Hopefully, though, 
he is still around to help in case it is seriously buried, or perhaps someone 
else can step up? I imagine, though, that it wouldn't be that much different 
than creating the installation, then simply following the steps. I don't know.

Thanks in advance, though, to anyone who can answer the rest of this. I'd like 
to know myself, but from what I remember Blake telling me, it's entirely 
possible to do.

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> around.
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> vm fusion is sluggish.
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> Also can you install boot camp via a vm fusion image?
> thanks
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Re: boot camp

[Sarah Alawami]

No you can't. and if you set up an answer file to set up on partition 3 in my 
case, you should be able to in theory use an unattended install.

Take care.

S
On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:00 AM, chad baker wrote:

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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Sarah Alawami]

There are 3 images that are not labeled.I believe those tell the status of a 
contact but not sure. Sure I use click to determain the status of the contact 
but I don't always want to pull up an application to do that.
On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:55 AM, focus wrote:

> Hi all!
> I've started to talk to Skype in regard to fix a couple of things for vo 
> users!
> I do not know how much [ if anything ] will get done.
> I'm suggesting that they make a better job of labelling buttons!
> So I thought I would ask you all if you have any other suggestions!!
> Colin
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Re: insert plus f11 key with vm fusion

[erik burggraaf]

Hi,  You might also need to reassign the f9 through f12 keys.  On my mac they 
did some proprietary stuff to the dashboard widgits or something and I had to 
remove those assignments so that I could press f9 on my apple keyboard to start 
a kurzweil scan.

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On 2010-08-15, at 9:02 PM, joseph wrote:

> i forgot to say that i'm using a wireless keyboard.
> 
> joseph wrote:
>> hi listers,
>> 
>> i'm running windows7 with vm fusion when i try to get to the system
>> tray the shortcut key insert f11 does not work.  i connected my
>> wireless keyboard to my notebook and that keystroke worked there.
>> does anyone know why it is not working with vm fusion?
>> 
>> thank you in advance.
>> 
>> best
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Re: insert plus f11 key with vm fusion

[joseph]

hi,

how to re assign keys?  i have an i mac and i use a wireless keyboard
to control the virtual machine.

erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi,  You might also need to reassign the f9 through f12 keys.  On my mac they 
> did some proprietary stuff to the dashboard widgits or something and I had to 
> remove those assignments so that I could press f9 on my apple keyboard to 
> start a kurzweil scan.
>
> hope this helps,
>
> Erik Burggraaf
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> On 2010-08-15, at 9:02 PM, joseph wrote:
>
> > i forgot to say that i'm using a wireless keyboard.
> >
> > joseph wrote:
> >> hi listers,
> >>
> >> i'm running windows7 with vm fusion when i try to get to the system
> >> tray the shortcut key insert f11 does not work.  i connected my
> >> wireless keyboard to my notebook and that keystroke worked there.
> >> does anyone know why it is not working with vm fusion?
> >>
> >> thank you in advance.
> >>
> >> best
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Re: insert plus f11 key with vm fusion

[erik burggraaf]

These particular ones are in system preferences, expose and spaces, under the 
expose tab.  I needed to switch these from the standard f9 through f12 to 
command f9 through command f12 so that I could use all the function keys in my 
windows virtual machine.

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On 2010-08-16, at 7:45 AM, joseph wrote:

> hi,
> 
> how to re assign keys?  i have an i mac and i use a wireless keyboard
> to control the virtual machine.
> 
> erik burggraaf wrote:
>> Hi,  You might also need to reassign the f9 through f12 keys.  On my mac 
>> they did some proprietary stuff to the dashboard widgits or something and I 
>> had to remove those assignments so that I could press f9 on my apple 
>> keyboard to start a kurzweil scan.
>> 
>> hope this helps,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille 
>> box.
>> Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and 
>> subscribe.
>> 
>> On 2010-08-15, at 9:02 PM, joseph wrote:
>> 
>>> i forgot to say that i'm using a wireless keyboard.
>>> 
>>> joseph wrote:
 hi listers,
 
 i'm running windows7 with vm fusion when i try to get to the system
 tray the shortcut key insert f11 does not work.  i connected my
 wireless keyboard to my notebook and that keystroke worked there.
 does anyone know why it is not working with vm fusion?
 
 thank you in advance.
 
 best
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Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.

[Kevin Shaw]

Use the VO jump command to jump to the bottom or top of your message view.

Press VO-Shift-J to start the jump. Then, press VO-down arrow.

HTH,
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changing mp3 bitrates in Max

[Shen]

Hello,
Awhile back, people have said the Max program is a good program for converting 
various audio types. I tried it a few days ago and discovered I cannot change 
the bitrate when setting a custom setting for mp3. I see the various bitrates, 
but they are just numbers. I can't click on them. The only thing that I can 
change is a percentage slider, which does not make sense in relation to 
bitrates. I tried clicking on the numbers with the trackpad, and nothing 
happened.
If anyone knows how to change mp3 bitrates, please share your secret with me.
Thanks.

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Re: changing mp3 bitrates in Max

[erik burggraaf]

Howdy,  The understanding of bitrates in max requires a little bit of 
imagination.  Visualize a dial with a big arrow painted on it.  Around the dial 
are numbers.  The numbers don't move, only the dial and the arrow move.  When 
the arrow is pointing at one of the numbers, that's where the setting is.

to convert this to something that makes sense, you need to either try a few 
samples to see how they come out, or talk to some one who  already did... Like 
me.

Now then.  I can tell you that 46.2 equals 96 kbps, 53.8 equals 112 kbps, 61.5 
equals 128 kbps, 69.2 equals 160 kbps...  I think that 76.9 equals 192, 84.6 
equals 224, 92.3 equals 256, and 100 definitely equals 320.  I had my encoder 
set for audiobooks, so I'm sketchy on the 192 and 224 settings, but it makes 
sense.

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On 2010-08-16, at 10:55 AM, Shen wrote:

> Hello,
> Awhile back, people have said the Max program is a good program for 
> converting various audio types. I tried it a few days ago and discovered I 
> cannot change the bitrate when setting a custom setting for mp3. I see the 
> various bitrates, but they are just numbers. I can't click on them. The only 
> thing that I can change is a percentage slider, which does not make sense in 
> relation to bitrates. I tried clicking on the numbers with the trackpad, and 
> nothing happened.
> If anyone knows how to change mp3 bitrates, please share your secret with me.
> Thanks.
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Problem with 3 finger flick on trackpad

[Daniel Rowe]

Hi all,
has anyone else noticed that in some cases the 3 finger flick doesn't work?  
I've found this particularly in tables and in the playlist browser in iTunes.
Is this a bug in VO or is there a reason why these elements can't be scrolled?
I'm using the magic trackpad but this happens on MacBooks as well.

Dannie

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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I'd like the chat feature on Skype to be designed so that it's like windows 
messenger so that you have the same conversation in one message rather than 
interacting with the html all the time.  I hope this makes sense.

Also, the answer button when a call comes in could be made easier to locate.

Kawal.

On 16 Aug 2010, at 10:55, focus wrote:

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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi,

I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to get to 
the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later version for 
which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the convo.

I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the same 
shorcutss for my skype macros 


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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I'm curious  about something.

Designed like Windows Messenger? I don't think I follow this one.

DO you mean so they just appear right next to the edit field? If that's the 
case, e. lol

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> Hi.
> 
> I'd like the chat feature on Skype to be designed so that it's like windows 
> messenger so that you have the same conversation in one message rather than 
> interacting with the html all the time.  I hope this makes sense.
> 
> Also, the answer button when a call comes in could be made easier to locate.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 16 Aug 2010, at 10:55, focus wrote:
> 
>> Hi all!
>> I've started to talk to Skype in regard to fix a couple of things for vo 
>> users!
>> I do not know how much [ if anything ] will get done.
>> I'm suggesting that they make a better job of labelling buttons!
>> So I thought I would ask you all if you have any other suggestions!!
>> Colin
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
Sorry to be off-topic, but what's Keyboard Meistro?

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On Aug 16, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to get 
> to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later version 
> for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the convo.
> 
> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the same 
> shorcutss for my skype macros 
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the VoiceOVer 
cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a reply is received, 
simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area without having to 
reinteract.

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On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to get 
> to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later version 
> for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the convo.
> 
> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the same 
> shorcutss for my skype macros 
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Its a macro creator that registers your movements and lists them as actions you 
bind to keys, combinations and trackpad gestures.


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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
I think it would be nice if it would just read the chat messages automatically 
as they come in, then once it's read, you can just type it without having to 
travel to the message, so to speak.
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On Aug 16, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the VoiceOVer 
> cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a reply is 
> received, simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area without having 
> to reinteract.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to get 
>> to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later version 
>> for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the convo.
>> 
>> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the 
>> same shorcutss for my skype macros 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>> 
>> blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com
>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 
>> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

You can do that with growl notifications  but its still not perfect 


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Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.

[Geoff Waaler]

Thanks to Anne, Kevin and Carolyn who sent me a private note, but I remain 
stuck in the middle of my in-box with no quick way out.


From the finder I point to mail.app and press command+o -- among other 
things vo says that I'm in my in-box and row 582 of 3,832 has keyboard 
focus.  The up and down arrow keys appear to traverse my folders so I tab 
into the in-box.  VO reads the header of an old message and again announces 
my position in the table.  I then press VO+end and move up four messages to 
586/3832.  If I attempt to interact, VO says "interact with text" and VO+end 
has no discernible affect on the focus.  I tried all this before posting, 
but should have said so explicitly.


The one thing I had not tried was kevin's suggestion.  When I press 
VO+shift+J followed by VO+downArrow it moves me up four more to 590, which 
is still a long long way from the bottom.


Besides cleaning up the clutter in my in-box and defining a few filters, 
any/all suggestions would be appreciated since I am stuck on what seems like 
it should be a simple problem.

Geoff


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To: 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.



Use the VO jump command to jump to the bottom or top of your message view.

Press VO-Shift-J to start the jump. Then, press VO-down arrow.

HTH,
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mobile me

[Nancy Badger]

Can someone tell me if there is a way to disable the mobile me prompt
that always comes up when you arrow down the side bar in finder?  Jeff
referred to it in his email regarding how to find his skype.  It is a
big nuisance for me.

BTW: what is it anyway?

Thanks

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Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.

[Mary Otten]

Hi Geoff,
What works for me is to hit vo shift home to go to the top and vo shift end to 
go to the bottom. I'm using a full keyboard that actually has home and end 
keys, so I don't know what funky key combo you'll use to do that on a notebook 
that lacks a home and end key. But I just did this in my email messages table 
that has several hundreds of messages in it and it worked like a champ.

mary

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Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.

[Kevin Shaw]

Geoff,

You need to interact with the message table with VO-Shift-down arrow. You 
should be able to navigate with VO-right/left arrow and hear the column fields. 

Start the jump with VO-shift-J. VO-down arrow will take  you to the bottom of 
the list. 

This works on a Macbook Pro's keyboard without using the home or end keys.

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Re: mobile me

[Kevin Shaw]

If you're talking about iDisk, you can disable looking for iDisks in Finder 
Preferences. Go to the fFinder and press Command-comma.

Kevin

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Re: mobile me

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi Nancy,

I got rid of that by going into Preferences under the finder menu and 
unchecking "idisks".  Alternatively you can go into the view menu and hide the 
side bar.

Take care.
Geoff

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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:35 PM
  Subject: mobile me


  Can someone tell me if there is a way to disable the mobile me prompt that 
always comes up when you arrow down the side bar in finder?  Jeff referred to 
it in his email regarding how to find his skype.  It is a big nuisance for me.

  BTW: what is it anyway?

  Thanks

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Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.

[Geoff Waaler]

Hmmm,

When I press voShift-End (Control+Option+function+Shift+RightArrow) I'm 
taken to the MailBox Actions menu.  I probably didn't understand Kevin's 
suggestion that came in right after your post, but I thought I already tried 
that.


BTW I turned on wrapping in the VO utilities menu but this had no affect on 
VO+end.


Thanks to all for your posts though.
Geoff

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From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.


Hi Geoff,
What works for me is to hit vo shift home to go to the top and vo shift end 
to go to the bottom. I'm using a full keyboard that actually has home and 
end keys, so I don't know what funky key combo you'll use to do that on a 
notebook that lacks a home and end key. But I just did this in my email 
messages table that has several hundreds of messages in it and it worked 
like a champ.


mary

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Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.

[Carolyn]

GEoff:
Welcome to Mac woes.  I would try command w to close window, This should put 
you back into your messages.  If not, command Q to get out of mail totally.  
Open mail.  Interact with your mailbox list, and check out what mailboxes you 
have.  Now, arrow back upto inbox.  Stopp interacting with mailboxes and 
vo/right arrow twice.  You should hear "messages."  Interact with messages.  
Now you can right arrow through status, date, etc.  If you go to subject, 
You'll be a ble to use these commands (ctl/option/fnc/arrows) to move through 
your list.  Additionally, you may want to take a look at your view menu, where 
you can set things like order and what gets presented with the messages.  If 
you get into a message, and decide you don't want it, you can delete, either 
from within the message, or just from the subject line.  
Finally, since your previous messages are all gone through on your pc, you may 
want to set your view menu to sort by date received, and then select to the top 
and delete a big block.
(I think the command for select to the top would be ctl/option/fnc/left arrow.  
But please verify that command as it's been a while for me.)
HTH a little.

Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Geoff Waaler 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.


  Thanks to Anne, Kevin and Carolyn who sent me a private note, but I remain 
  stuck in the middle of my in-box with no quick way out.

  From the finder I point to mail.app and press command+o -- among other 
  things vo says that I'm in my in-box and row 582 of 3,832 has keyboard 
  focus.  The up and down arrow keys appear to traverse my folders so I tab 
  into the in-box.  VO reads the header of an old message and again announces 
  my position in the table.  I then press VO+end and move up four messages to 
  586/3832.  If I attempt to interact, VO says "interact with text" and VO+end 
  has no discernible affect on the focus.  I tried all this before posting, 
  but should have said so explicitly.

  The one thing I had not tried was kevin's suggestion.  When I press 
  VO+shift+J followed by VO+downArrow it moves me up four more to 590, which 
  is still a long long way from the bottom.

  Besides cleaning up the clutter in my in-box and defining a few filters, 
  any/all suggestions would be appreciated since I am stuck on what seems like 
  it should be a simple problem.
  Geoff


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  From: "Kevin Shaw" 
  To: 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:59 AM
  Subject: Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.


  > Use the VO jump command to jump to the bottom or top of your message view.
  >
  > Press VO-Shift-J to start the jump. Then, press VO-down arrow.
  >
  > HTH,
  > Kevin
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log me in

[Nancy Badger]

Has anyone ever used a program called "log me in" on their mac?  My work
is starting to use it in order to view work stuff at home or out of the
office.  If you are familiar with it, could you tell me if it's
accessible?  Also, is there another accessible program that will do the
same thing?  

Thanks

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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

That's right, they appear next to each other, on the left the history of the 
conversation and on the right your replies, you type to reply.
On 16 Aug 2010, at 17:07, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm curious  about something.
> 
> Designed like Windows Messenger? I don't think I follow this one.
> 
> DO you mean so they just appear right next to the edit field? If that's the 
> case, e. lol
> 
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> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I'd like the chat feature on Skype to be designed so that it's like windows 
>> messenger so that you have the same conversation in one message rather than 
>> interacting with the html all the time.  I hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Also, the answer button when a call comes in could be made easier to locate.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 16 Aug 2010, at 10:55, focus wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all!
>>> I've started to talk to Skype in regard to fix a couple of things for vo 
>>> users!
>>> I do not know how much [ if anything ] will get done.
>>> I'm suggesting that they make a better job of labelling buttons!
>>> So I thought I would ask you all if you have any other suggestions!!
>>> Colin
>>> Skype focus_66
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

How do you turn off the voice over tracking, and can you do this in different 
applications so you can turn off tracking for one applications and it's turned 
on for something else?

Kawal.

On 16 Aug 2010, at 17:08, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the VoiceOVer 
> cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a reply is 
> received, simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area without having 
> to reinteract.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to get 
>> to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later version 
>> for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the convo.
>> 
>> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the 
>> same shorcutss for my skype macros 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

hello;  how is your email displayed?  I'm asking because I can't get  
the go to top or go to end working either. I like to keep my active  
emails in my inbox, so sometimes i have over a hundred messages in  
there.  so, what i do sometimes is when in the list press a letter  
like a for the top or w for the bottom.  this isn't perfect, but often  
it will get me close enough to where i want to be to save a lot of  
time.  another thing i like to do before checking mail is to note the  
name of the sender for the last message in the list so i can enter  
those characters to get back there.  Of course, sometimes i have more  
than one email from the same contact and have to do it several times.   
Hope this helps until you can work out the preferred way to do it.   
thanks and take care,  max

 Aug 16, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

Thanks to Anne, Kevin and Carolyn who sent me a private note, but I  
remain stuck in the middle of my in-box with no quick way out.


From the finder I point to mail.app and press command+o -- among  
other things vo says that I'm in my in-box and row 582 of 3,832 has  
keyboard focus.  The up and down arrow keys appear to traverse my  
folders so I tab into the in-box.  VO reads the header of an old  
message and again announces my position in the table.  I then press  
VO+end and move up four messages to 586/3832.  If I attempt to  
interact, VO says "interact with text" and VO+end has no discernible  
affect on the focus.  I tried all this before posting, but should  
have said so
The one thing I had not tried was kevin's suggestion.  When I press  
VO+shift+J followed by VO+downArrow it moves me up four more to 590,  
which is still a long long way from the bottom.


Besides cleaning up the clutter in my in-box and defining a few  
filters, any/all suggestions would be appreciated since I am stuck  
on what seems like it should be a simple problem.

Geoff


- Original Message - From: "Kevin Shaw"  


To: 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.


Use the VO jump command to jump to the bottom or top of your  
message view.


Press VO-Shift-J to start the jump. Then, press VO-down arrow.

HTH,
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Yes, true, but this should never be a VoiceOver feature. Simply ask them to add 
incoming chat messages to the already existing notifications.

Regards,
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On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I think it would be nice if it would just read the chat messages 
> automatically as they come in, then once it's read, you can just type it 
> without having to travel to the message, so to speak.
> Courtney
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> On Aug 16, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the VoiceOVer 
>> cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a reply is 
>> received, simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area without having 
>> to reinteract.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to 
>>> get to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later 
>>> version for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the 
>>> convo.
>>> 
>>> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the 
>>> same shorcutss for my skype macros 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>>> 
>>> blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com
>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>>> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 
>>> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello Kawal,

The way tracking works is simply that it leaves all the cursors where they are. 
If it is turned off, the cursor settings in the VoiceOver Utility  are simply 
ignored, and a good example of this is Skype.

It will only work on an application basis, however, which means that you have 
to turn it on and off as you need to...but it's not that big of a deal to do 
that after you get used to it. You can turn it on and off with VO-Shift-F3.

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On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> How do you turn off the voice over tracking, and can you do this in different 
> applications so you can turn off tracking for one applications and it's 
> turned on for something else?
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 16 Aug 2010, at 17:08, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the VoiceOVer 
>> cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a reply is 
>> received, simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area without having 
>> to reinteract.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to 
>>> get to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later 
>>> version for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the 
>>> convo.
>>> 
>>> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the 
>>> same shorcutss for my skype macros 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>>> 
>>> blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com
>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>>> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 
>>> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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pop up windows

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi list,

I have had this annoyance for a while and sent the following message to 
accessibility at apple for their next iteration:


There are quite a few instances when leaving vo on a navigation item calls "x 
application" has a new window.

This in general means that a pop up has appeared with extra information.

For instance, there is a way to instantly bring up the definition of a 
highlighted word in text edit, mail and others meaning its system wide.

But these pop ups are not visible to VO users.

I wanted to express my wish for these pop ups to be accessible.

Thanks, and best regards 



Did anyone find a solution for this? There are most probably ways to do it 
through applescript as pop ups are elements which reside in the standard suite, 
but work and activities kind of forbid me to dive into these solutions which 
are probably much better handled by reporting it to the access team chez apple.

Cheers 



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Navigating the Mail Messages Table [was Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.]

[Esther]

Hi Geoff,

First of all, Mary's description of VO Shift Home and and VO Shift End  
should work for you as Fn VO Shift Left Arrow and Fn VO Shift Right  
Arrow, where "Home" is Fn Left Arrow and "End" is Fn Right Arrow" on a  
laptop keyboard.  Without the Shift key you move to the top or bottom  
of the visible area (e.g., the number of messages that are currently  
displayed in your messages table, which is a lot fewer than all the  
contents of your Inbox).  When the Shift key is added you move to the  
top or bottom of the area, scrolling if necessary.


However, for the Mail Messages table there's a lot simpler way to move  
to the beginning or end of the table: simply hold down Option+Up Arrow  
or Down Arrow keys and wait a bit.  This keyboard shortcut works  
independent of VoiceOver, and is very fast.  Further, if you want  to  
move to the previous or next message in the thread, pressing the  
Option key and tapping either the Up Arrow or Down Arrow key will move  
you through to previous or next message in the thread -- whether or  
not you have your messages set up to displayed in threaded view.   
Again, this works independently of VoiceOver.  The order you get also  
depends on whether your messages are sorted in ascending or descending  
order.  To change this order, after interacting (VO Shift Down Arrow)  
with the messages table, navigate (VO Right Arrow) to the "Date  
Received" column and sort (VO Shift Backslash, where the "Backslash"  
key is located at the right edge of the keyboard, above the "Return"  
key and below the "Delete" key on an English input keyboard).  Note  
that on non-English language keyboards these keys are used for  
accents, and you need to press VO H twice to bring up the Commands  
menu to choose the option to "Sort Column", and that this option will  
only be present if you have first interacted with the table, since  
available commands are context sensitive.  Each sort (VO Shift  
Backslash) switches the entries being sorted between ascending and  
descending order.


For reference, here's how the Appendix in the VoiceOver Getting  
Started Guide defines these keys under the Navigation section, with  
the function listed first, and the keyboard shortcut listed second,  
first listing the commands for the "visible" area:


"Move to the top of the visible area, such as the window or text area,  
where the VoiceOver cursor is located

VO-Home
On a portable computer, press Fn-VO-Left Arrow"

"Move to the bottom of the visible area, such as the window or text  
area, where the VoiceOver cursor is located

VO-End
On a portable computer, press Fn-VO-Right Arrow"

And the counterpart commands with scrolling:

"Move to the top of the area, such as the window or text area, where  
the VoiceOver cursor is located, scrolling if necessary

VO-Shift-Home
On a portable computer, press Fn-VO-Shift-Left Arrow"

"Move to the bottom of the area, such as the 	window or text area,  
where the VoiceOver cursor is located, scrolling if necessary

VO-Shift-End
On a portable computer, press Fn-VO-Shift  Right Arrow"

At least part of the confusion of what results you get depends on  
whether you interacted with the table first. The Mac-wide commands  
(that are not specific to VoiceOver) work even if you don't first  
interact with the table.


Also, this is minor preference, but I find it easier to navigate to  
Finder, use Command-Shift-A to go to an application, press the first  
few letters in the name, and then open the application with Command- 
Down arrow. Commonly used applications are found in the Dock, and most  
people eventually customize what they want placed there, so for  
applications and utilities that you frequently use, it can be faster  
to navigate to the Dock to open your apps.  Again, this can either be  
done with VoiceOver specific commands like VO-D, or through the Mac  
keyboard shortcuts, like Control-F3, just as navigating to the menu  
bar can be done with VO-M or with the Mac shortcut of Control-F2. And  
navigation through the items can be either through typing the first  
letters of the name of the app or menu, or by using the (right and  
left) arrow keys, or both.  In fact, you can customize and change the  
order in which apps appear in the dock by pressing Option-Left arrow  
or Right arrow on any given app to move its position to the left or  
right. And you can also launch these apps by pressing the space bar.   
Of course, if you don't know where to find an app, you can simply  
press Command-Space to launch Spotlight and type in the name or first  
few letters of the name of the app, and then launch it that way when  
your press return.  That will find apps that you downloaded, for  
example, but didn't move to the Apps folder. All of these latter  
keystrokes and combinations are Mac-wide, and not VoiceOver specific,  
BTW.


HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 16, 2010, Mary Otten wrote:


Hi Geoff,
What works for me is to hit vo shift home to go

More comments on navigating the Mail Messages table [was Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.]

[Esther]

Hi Max and Geoff,

Max's note about his searching method reminds me: uou can also use the  
search field in Mail to filter the messages that are displayed.  For  
example, if I only want to view the messages from Geoff in my Inbox, I  
can use Command-Option-F to move to the search text box for mail, and  
type in "Geoff".  Then if I tab back to the messages table and  
interact, I'll only be viewing messages from (in this case) "Geoff  
Waaler" and "Geoff Stevens" (guess I should have made my search more  
exclusive ).  So I could do what Max says he does, and move to  
the last post from Geoff.  In this mode I'm only seeing posts from  
Geoff, though.  I can still press the Option key along with holding  
down either the Up Arrow or Down Arrow key to move to the first or  
last post from Geoff in my Inbox, but I can't view posts from anyone  
else.  I'd have to move back to the search box (Command-Option-F) and  
delete the previous search terms, then tab back to the messages table,  
and interact. My focus will still be at the last (or first) message  
from Geoff, so I can arrow up or down from there.


However, Max should just be able to hold down the Option key and  
either Down Arrow or Up Arrow to move through to the bottom or top of  
his Inbox.  I did want to point out that you can use the search  
feature, too, to filter your Mailbox displayed contents. You can  
actually refine these searches to modify whether the search runs on  
your current mailbox (the default), or all mailboxes, and whether it  
searches the entire message, the "from" field, "to" field, or  
"subject" field, etc., but you would have to tab and  then VO-Right  
arrow from the search box.   Detailed searches should probably be left  
to a later date for exploration.  For now, you can use Command-Option- 
F and type in part or all of a sender's name, then tab back to the  
messages table.  However, it is important to clear the search box  
afterwards if you want to display all your messages.



HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Aug 16, 2010, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

hello;  how is your email displayed?  I'm asking because I can't get  
the go to top or go to end working either. I like to keep my active  
emails in my inbox, so sometimes i have over a hundred messages in  
there.  so, what i do sometimes is when in the list press a letter  
like a for the top or w for the bottom.  this isn't perfect, but  
often it will get me close enough to where i want to be to save a  
lot of time.  another thing i like to do before checking mail is to  
note the name of the sender for the last message in the list so i  
can enter those characters to get back there.  Of course, sometimes  
i have more than one email from the same contact and have to do it  
several times.  Hope this helps until you can work out the preferred  
way to do it.  thanks and take care,  max

Aug 16, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

Thanks to Anne, Kevin and Carolyn who sent me a private note, but I  
remain stuck in the middle of my in-box with no quick way out.


From the finder I point to mail.app and press command+o -- among  
other things vo says that I'm in my in-box and row 582 of 3,832 has  
keyboard focus.  The up and down arrow keys appear to traverse my  
folders so I tab into the in-box.  VO reads the header of an old  
message and again announces my position in the table.  I then press  
VO+end and move up four messages to 586/3832.  If I attempt to  
interact, VO says "interact with text" and VO+end has no  
discernible affect on the focus.  I tried all this before posting,  
but should have said so
The one thing I had not tried was kevin's suggestion.  When I press  
VO+shift+J followed by VO+downArrow it moves me up four more to  
590, which is still a long long way from the bottom.


Besides cleaning up the clutter in my in-box and defining a few  
filters, any/all suggestions would be appreciated since I am stuck  
on what seems like it should be a simple problem.

Geoff


- Original Message - From: "Kevin Shaw" >

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.


Use the VO jump command to jump to the bottom or top of your  
message view.


Press VO-Shift-J to start the jump. Then, press VO-down arrow.

HTH,
Kevin


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Auto tab interaction and mac wide shortcuts -> was Navigating the Mail Messages Table [was Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.]

[Geoff Waaler]

Thanks so much Carolyn Esther and everyone else who posted suggestions! 
Your posts enabled me to solve my problem and finally understand what Kevin 
was trying to communicate, though I still have a couple questions.


 Under voiceOver Utilities -> navigation -> the "automatically interact 
when using tab key" option is checked (default setting).  Still, when I 
started Mail I was pointing to the table of mailboxes.  Without interacting, 
my arrow keys appeared to traverse my folders.  I then pressed tabbed and 
would always highlight the message that was last in focus during my previous 
mail session.  I was unable to move more than a few messages up or down. 
When I highlight my in-box and use either VO+rightArrow twice or VO+J to get 
to my list of messages, both the option+arrow and VO+shift+home/end keys 
work exactly as everyone described.  I'm curious why the tab key interacts 
with the elements in both the VoiceOver utility and system preferences 
dialogs?  Is there a VO configuration active for the Mail app that I've not 
found?  I know I have a lot to learn, but is this app following a different 
convention?


My second question is whether there is any documentation of the mac wide 
keyboard short cuts such as control-F2 and option-DownArrow?  Before posting 
I looked through every option in the menu as well as Mail help and couldn't 
find a solution.


Thanks again to everyone.  Time to start playing with mail on the Mac!!Geoff

- Original Message - 
From: "Esther" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:38 PM
Subject: Navigating the Mail Messages Table [was Re: Navigating to the top 
or bottom of a table.]




Hi Geoff,

First of all, Mary's description of VO Shift Home and and VO Shift End 
should work for you as Fn VO Shift Left Arrow and Fn VO Shift Right 
Arrow, where "Home" is Fn Left Arrow and "End" is Fn Right Arrow" on a 
laptop keyboard.  Without the Shift key you move to the top or bottom  of 
the visible area (e.g., the number of messages that are currently 
displayed in your messages table, which is a lot fewer than all the 
contents of your Inbox).  When the Shift key is added you move to the  top 
or bottom of the area, scrolling if necessary.


However, for the Mail Messages table there's a lot simpler way to move  to 
the beginning or end of the table: simply hold down Option+Up Arrow  or 
Down Arrow keys and wait a bit.  This keyboard shortcut works  independent 
of VoiceOver, and is very fast.  Further, if you want  to  move to the 
previous or next message in the thread, pressing the  Option key and 
tapping either the Up Arrow or Down Arrow key will move  you through to 
previous or next message in the thread -- whether or  not you have your 
messages set up to displayed in threaded view.   Again, this works 
independently of VoiceOver.  The order you get also  depends on whether 
your messages are sorted in ascending or descending  order.  To change 
this order, after interacting (VO Shift Down Arrow)  with the messages 
table, navigate (VO Right Arrow) to the "Date  Received" column and sort 
(VO Shift Backslash, where the "Backslash"  key is located at the right 
edge of the keyboard, above the "Return"  key and below the "Delete" key 
on an English input keyboard).  Note  that on non-English language 
keyboards these keys are used for  accents, and you need to press VO H 
twice to bring up the Commands  menu to choose the option to "Sort 
Column", and that this option will  only be present if you have first 
interacted with the table, since  available commands are context 
sensitive.  Each sort (VO Shift  Backslash) switches the entries being 
sorted between ascending and  descending order.


For reference, here's how the Appendix in the VoiceOver Getting  Started 
Guide defines these keys under the Navigation section, with  the function 
listed first, and the keyboard shortcut listed second,  first listing the 
commands for the "visible" area:


"Move to the top of the visible area, such as the window or text area, 
where the VoiceOver cursor is located

VO-Home
On a portable computer, press Fn-VO-Left Arrow"

"Move to the bottom of the visible area, such as the window or text  area, 
where the VoiceOver cursor is located

VO-End
On a portable computer, press Fn-VO-Right Arrow"

And the counterpart commands with scrolling:

"Move to the top of the area, such as the window or text area, where  the 
VoiceOver cursor is located, scrolling if necessary

VO-Shift-Home
On a portable computer, press Fn-VO-Shift-Left Arrow"

"Move to the bottom of the area, such as the window or text area,  where 
the VoiceOver cursor is located, scrolling if necessary

VO-Shift-End
On a portable computer, press Fn-VO-Shift  Right Arrow"

At least part of the confusion of what results you get depends on  whether 
you interacted with the table first. The Mac-wide commands  (that are not 
specific to VoiceOver) work even if you don't first  interact with the 
table.


Also, this is minor p

Converting .ape files on the mac?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello there. I would like to know if there's some app you know of out there 
that can convert .ape files to .mp3 or other format on the mac or is this a 
windows job? I guess i could use a virtual machine if need be but i hoped one 
could convert .ape files on the mac. .ape files, btw is an audio format. I 
don't know how widely used this is.
Thanks for any help.
/Krister

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Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right side

[Alfredo]

I have found a great way to make a Laptop more user friendly to VO
users.  I have had a problem of having to awkwardly maneuver my right
hand above my left hand when typing VO commands requiring Control
+Option along with any key not he left side of the Keyboard.  For
example, to execute the Command, Control-Option-Shift-D, to go tot he
desktop, I would have to press the Control-Option-Shift with my left
hand, while awkwardly moving my right hand above my left hand and
pressing the "d" key to execute this command.  For laptop Macs, we are
left on the short side of the stick when it comes to navigating VO,
since we only have a control key on th left hand side of the keyboard,
follow by a option and then a command key.  In the middle we have the
spacebar, then tot he right of the spacebar we have another option key
follow by another command key.  As you might image this keyboard
layout is crazy for VO user who frequently have to use the combination
of Option-Control to execute most VO navigation commands, since there
is no Control key not he Right side of the Keyboard.  I attempted to
map the Capslock key to the Option-Control key with Spark keys but the
interface was confusing and not really intuitive, although I have to
say that it would be great as a free version of text expander.  After
failing ot map the keys I remember somewhere on the internet I had
read that under Keyboard preferences there is a option to modify
keys.  I decided to try this out and found that I could modify, or
otherwise map, the Caps lock, Command, Control and option keys to
either the Caps lock, command, option, control or no key.  This meant
that I could map my 13" MacBook pro laptop command keys to functionto
perform a control function.  Then I could map the Control key to the
Command key.  This would allow me to execute VO commands that also
required a key to be presed from the left side of the keyboard with
wase.  However, there was still the problem that I did not have a
command key on the right side of the Laptop since it was map as a
control key, and that I would not be able to execute a command-w, or
command-q, to close an application window or quit an application
easily without having to move my hands awkwardly on my keyboard like I
had done before I mapped the control key to my command keys.  Then it
hit me that I barely, and many of u can relate, barely use the caps
lock key.  I then decided to map the caps lock key to perform a
command key operation.  Now I I have the command key at the bottom
left of the keyboard, tot he right of the function key, then the
option key to its right, then the control ke to its right.  I have the
spacebar in the middle, follow by a option key to its right and a
control key to its right.  I then have the caps lock key functioning
as a command key.  this is also great for navigating on the web since
I can easily press my Left hand side command-option-control in
conjunctions with the right side of the keyboard to navigate webistes
easily.  I am also able to use my right hand option-control, and press
the caps lock key, which acts as a command key, with my pinky finger
and press the keys on the left side of the keyboard with my other
fingers.  Similar to using the jaws key byt this requires more
keystroke pressing.  I still ilk using quick nave to navigate the web
but having accessibility to being able to jump to the next table,
graphic, or different element or even being able to use the VO search
function not he web with ease.  I just wanted to let you guys know
about this meted I have developed, and maybe others have to told.  I
am starting ot love the Mac everyday more and more.  I also wanted to
let you guys know that I am almost done with my tutorial.  It just a
starters guide but it has pictures, and step by step instructions on
how to do things such as making the function keys do software
operations, setting list view as the default view for the finder,
being able to use the tab key to navigate between all forms controls
in both safari and on the whole system.  I also have describe every
screen that I use to the user so that they better understand where
they are navigating when using VO, which I think is an integral part
of learning how to navigate a computer using a screen reader.
Sincerely,
Alfredo Holguinbut

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Re: Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right side

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello!

Sounds like an interesting workaround. Personally, I always just either use the 
trackpad commander, or simply use both option and command keys depending on 
what combination I need to use. Sometimes, though, my hands just use COntrol 
and Option on the left at the same time with no problem, while hitting D and 
holding shift with my right.

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On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Alfredo wrote:

> I have found a great way to make a Laptop more user friendly to VO
> users.  I have had a problem of having to awkwardly maneuver my right
> hand above my left hand when typing VO commands requiring Control
> +Option along with any key not he left side of the Keyboard.  For
> example, to execute the Command, Control-Option-Shift-D, to go tot he
> desktop, I would have to press the Control-Option-Shift with my left
> hand, while awkwardly moving my right hand above my left hand and
> pressing the "d" key to execute this command.  For laptop Macs, we are
> left on the short side of the stick when it comes to navigating VO,
> since we only have a control key on th left hand side of the keyboard,
> follow by a option and then a command key.  In the middle we have the
> spacebar, then tot he right of the spacebar we have another option key
> follow by another command key.  As you might image this keyboard
> layout is crazy for VO user who frequently have to use the combination
> of Option-Control to execute most VO navigation commands, since there
> is no Control key not he Right side of the Keyboard.  I attempted to
> map the Capslock key to the Option-Control key with Spark keys but the
> interface was confusing and not really intuitive, although I have to
> say that it would be great as a free version of text expander.  After
> failing ot map the keys I remember somewhere on the internet I had
> read that under Keyboard preferences there is a option to modify
> keys.  I decided to try this out and found that I could modify, or
> otherwise map, the Caps lock, Command, Control and option keys to
> either the Caps lock, command, option, control or no key.  This meant
> that I could map my 13" MacBook pro laptop command keys to functionto
> perform a control function.  Then I could map the Control key to the
> Command key.  This would allow me to execute VO commands that also
> required a key to be presed from the left side of the keyboard with
> wase.  However, there was still the problem that I did not have a
> command key on the right side of the Laptop since it was map as a
> control key, and that I would not be able to execute a command-w, or
> command-q, to close an application window or quit an application
> easily without having to move my hands awkwardly on my keyboard like I
> had done before I mapped the control key to my command keys.  Then it
> hit me that I barely, and many of u can relate, barely use the caps
> lock key.  I then decided to map the caps lock key to perform a
> command key operation.  Now I I have the command key at the bottom
> left of the keyboard, tot he right of the function key, then the
> option key to its right, then the control ke to its right.  I have the
> spacebar in the middle, follow by a option key to its right and a
> control key to its right.  I then have the caps lock key functioning
> as a command key.  this is also great for navigating on the web since
> I can easily press my Left hand side command-option-control in
> conjunctions with the right side of the keyboard to navigate webistes
> easily.  I am also able to use my right hand option-control, and press
> the caps lock key, which acts as a command key, with my pinky finger
> and press the keys on the left side of the keyboard with my other
> fingers.  Similar to using the jaws key byt this requires more
> keystroke pressing.  I still ilk using quick nave to navigate the web
> but having accessibility to being able to jump to the next table,
> graphic, or different element or even being able to use the VO search
> function not he web with ease.  I just wanted to let you guys know
> about this meted I have developed, and maybe others have to told.  I
> am starting ot love the Mac everyday more and more.  I also wanted to
> let you guys know that I am almost done with my tutorial.  It just a
> starters guide but it has pictures, and step by step instructions on
> how to do things such as making the function keys do software
> operations, setting list view as the default view for the finder,
> being able to use the tab key to navigate between all forms controls
> in both safari and on the whole system.  I also have describe every
> screen that I use to the user so that they better understand where
> they are navigating when using VO, which I think is an integral part
> of learning how to navigate a computer using a screen reader.
> Sincere

Re: mobile me

[Linda Adams]

Kevin,
I also wanted to disable this feature and appreciate your response.  I just 
need to confirm one thing and ask you to overlook my ignorance.  Under the 
finder preferences I saw that hard disk is already unchecked but external disk 
is not.  There is no I disk listed.  So, is external disk the one I should 
uncheck?

TIA 
Linda

On Aug 16, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> If you're talking about iDisk, you can disable looking for iDisks in Finder 
> Preferences. Go to the fFinder and press Command-comma.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: Auto tab interaction and mac wide shortcuts -> was Navigating the Mail Messages Table [was Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.]

[Mary Otten]

Geoff,
I don't think there is a list like what you're looking for that has all the 
system-wide shortcuts in one place. If there is, I'd like to have it too. While 
it is true that you can go through menus in applications and find a lot of 
shortcuts that way, including the finder menus, lists can be useful tools for 
learning, so if there is such a list somewhere, I hope it will get posted here.

Mary

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Re: Auto tab interaction and mac wide shortcuts -> was Navigating the Mail Messages Table [was Re: Navigating to the top or bottom of a table.]

[Sarah Alawami]

Actually there is. go to http://www.danrodney.com/mac/ and 
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343
On Aug 16, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Geoff,
> I don't think there is a list like what you're looking for that has all the 
> system-wide shortcuts in one place. If there is, I'd like to have it too. 
> While it is true that you can go through menus in applications and find a lot 
> of shortcuts that way, including the finder menus, lists can be useful tools 
> for learning, so if there is such a list somewhere, I hope it will get posted 
> here.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: mobile me

[Kevin Shaw]

HI Linda,

You need to be under the sidebar tab in the toolbar. You'll probably want to 
keep hard disks checked under the General tab as this is what allows Macintosh 
HD to show up on your desktop.

Kevin

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Re: Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right side

[Sarah Alawami]

Thanks for the tip. I'm used to navagating with both hands and crossing as I 
had one keyboard with 1 ctrl key before.
On Aug 16, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Alfredo wrote:

> I have found a great way to make a Laptop more user friendly to VO
> users.  I have had a problem of having to awkwardly maneuver my right
> hand above my left hand when typing VO commands requiring Control
> +Option along with any key not he left side of the Keyboard.  For
> example, to execute the Command, Control-Option-Shift-D, to go tot he
> desktop, I would have to press the Control-Option-Shift with my left
> hand, while awkwardly moving my right hand above my left hand and
> pressing the "d" key to execute this command.  For laptop Macs, we are
> left on the short side of the stick when it comes to navigating VO,
> since we only have a control key on th left hand side of the keyboard,
> follow by a option and then a command key.  In the middle we have the
> spacebar, then tot he right of the spacebar we have another option key
> follow by another command key.  As you might image this keyboard
> layout is crazy for VO user who frequently have to use the combination
> of Option-Control to execute most VO navigation commands, since there
> is no Control key not he Right side of the Keyboard.  I attempted to
> map the Capslock key to the Option-Control key with Spark keys but the
> interface was confusing and not really intuitive, although I have to
> say that it would be great as a free version of text expander.  After
> failing ot map the keys I remember somewhere on the internet I had
> read that under Keyboard preferences there is a option to modify
> keys.  I decided to try this out and found that I could modify, or
> otherwise map, the Caps lock, Command, Control and option keys to
> either the Caps lock, command, option, control or no key.  This meant
> that I could map my 13" MacBook pro laptop command keys to functionto
> perform a control function.  Then I could map the Control key to the
> Command key.  This would allow me to execute VO commands that also
> required a key to be presed from the left side of the keyboard with
> wase.  However, there was still the problem that I did not have a
> command key on the right side of the Laptop since it was map as a
> control key, and that I would not be able to execute a command-w, or
> command-q, to close an application window or quit an application
> easily without having to move my hands awkwardly on my keyboard like I
> had done before I mapped the control key to my command keys.  Then it
> hit me that I barely, and many of u can relate, barely use the caps
> lock key.  I then decided to map the caps lock key to perform a
> command key operation.  Now I I have the command key at the bottom
> left of the keyboard, tot he right of the function key, then the
> option key to its right, then the control ke to its right.  I have the
> spacebar in the middle, follow by a option key to its right and a
> control key to its right.  I then have the caps lock key functioning
> as a command key.  this is also great for navigating on the web since
> I can easily press my Left hand side command-option-control in
> conjunctions with the right side of the keyboard to navigate webistes
> easily.  I am also able to use my right hand option-control, and press
> the caps lock key, which acts as a command key, with my pinky finger
> and press the keys on the left side of the keyboard with my other
> fingers.  Similar to using the jaws key byt this requires more
> keystroke pressing.  I still ilk using quick nave to navigate the web
> but having accessibility to being able to jump to the next table,
> graphic, or different element or even being able to use the VO search
> function not he web with ease.  I just wanted to let you guys know
> about this meted I have developed, and maybe others have to told.  I
> am starting ot love the Mac everyday more and more.  I also wanted to
> let you guys know that I am almost done with my tutorial.  It just a
> starters guide but it has pictures, and step by step instructions on
> how to do things such as making the function keys do software
> operations, setting list view as the default view for the finder,
> being able to use the tab key to navigate between all forms controls
> in both safari and on the whole system.  I also have describe every
> screen that I use to the user so that they better understand where
> they are navigating when using VO, which I think is an integral part
> of learning how to navigate a computer using a screen reader.
> Sincerely,
> Alfredo Holguinbut
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Re: Converting .ape files on the mac?

[Sarah Alawami]

Can amadeus do it? I can convert aif files. but I dont' know about aip. Also 
switch can or might do it as well.

S
On Aug 16, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hello there. I would like to know if there's some app you know of out there 
> that can convert .ape files to .mp3 or other format on the mac or is this a 
> windows job? I guess i could use a virtual machine if need be but i hoped one 
> could convert .ape files on the mac. .ape files, btw is an audio format. I 
> don't know how widely used this is.
> Thanks for any help.
> /Krister
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Re: pop up windows

[Sarah Alawami]

Does the system dialogue work? that is vo f1 f1?

S
On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> I have had this annoyance for a while and sent the following message to 
> accessibility at apple for their next iteration:
> 
> 
> There are quite a few instances when leaving vo on a navigation item calls "x 
> application" has a new window.
> 
> This in general means that a pop up has appeared with extra information.
> 
> For instance, there is a way to instantly bring up the definition of a 
> highlighted word in text edit, mail and others meaning its system wide.
> 
> But these pop ups are not visible to VO users.
> 
> I wanted to express my wish for these pop ups to be accessible.
> 
> Thanks, and best regards 
> 
> 
> 
> Did anyone find a solution for this? There are most probably ways to do it 
> through applescript as pop ups are elements which reside in the standard 
> suite, but work and activities kind of forbid me to dive into these solutions 
> which are probably much better handled by reporting it to the access team 
> chez apple.
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Sarah Alawami]

It is easier to locate. Just  vo shift end and vo left wtice. I can do it when 
the call comes in on 1 ring.

Take care.
On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I'd like the chat feature on Skype to be designed so that it's like windows 
> messenger so that you have the same conversation in one message rather than 
> interacting with the html all the time.  I hope this makes sense.
> 
> Also, the answer button when a call comes in could be made easier to locate.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 16 Aug 2010, at 10:55, focus wrote:
> 
>> Hi all!
>> I've started to talk to Skype in regard to fix a couple of things for vo 
>> users!
>> I do not know how much [ if anything ] will get done.
>> I'm suggesting that they make a better job of labelling buttons!
>> So I thought I would ask you all if you have any other suggestions!!
>> Colin
>> Skype focus_66
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Re: insert plus f11 key with vm fusion

[Sarah Alawami]

Oh I disabled tihem to the dash key which in effect set it to none in the combo 
box.

S
On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:13 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> These particular ones are in system preferences, expose and spaces, under the 
> expose tab.  I needed to switch these from the standard f9 through f12 to 
> command f9 through command f12 so that I could use all the function keys in 
> my windows virtual machine.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
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> On 2010-08-16, at 7:45 AM, joseph wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> how to re assign keys?  i have an i mac and i use a wireless keyboard
>> to control the virtual machine.
>> 
>> erik burggraaf wrote:
>>> Hi,  You might also need to reassign the f9 through f12 keys.  On my mac 
>>> they did some proprietary stuff to the dashboard widgits or something and I 
>>> had to remove those assignments so that I could press f9 on my apple 
>>> keyboard to start a kurzweil scan.
>>> 
>>> hope this helps,
>>> 
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>>> On 2010-08-15, at 9:02 PM, joseph wrote:
>>> 
 i forgot to say that i'm using a wireless keyboard.
 
 joseph wrote:
> hi listers,
> 
> i'm running windows7 with vm fusion when i try to get to the system
> tray the shortcut key insert f11 does not work.  i connected my
> wireless keyboard to my notebook and that keystroke worked there.
> does anyone know why it is not working with vm fusion?
> 
> thank you in advance.
> 
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Re: Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right side

[Kevin Shaw]

When I bought my Macbook Pro, I just bought an Apple keyboard for those times I 
need a fully functional keyboard with control and option on the right side. 
Makes a little more sense than modifying the caps lock key, which I use quite 
often while typing.

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Re: mobile me

[Linda Adams]

Kevin,

Thanks so much.  There are so many layers to certain items.  I don't think I 
would have thought to interact with the tool bar if you hadn't sent me in that 
direction.  I unchecked Idisk so that pesky mobile me message should be gone.

Thanks again,
Linda

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> 
> You need to be under the sidebar tab in the toolbar. You'll probably want to 
> keep hard disks checked under the General tab as this is what allows 
> Macintosh HD to show up on your desktop.
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Re: mobile me

[Sarah Alawami]

My rule of thumb is interact wiht everything eventhough some info might not be 
there. lol!

Take care.

S
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> Kevin,
> 
> Thanks so much.  There are so many layers to certain items.  I don't think I 
> would have thought to interact with the tool bar if you hadn't sent me in 
> that direction.  I unchecked Idisk so that pesky mobile me message should be 
> gone.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Linda
> 
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> 
>> HI Linda,
>> 
>> You need to be under the sidebar tab in the toolbar. You'll probably want to 
>> keep hard disks checked under the General tab as this is what allows 
>> Macintosh HD to show up on your desktop.
>> 
>> Kevin
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Re: Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right side

[Sarah Alawami]

I might save for ome myself. Don't get me wrong I love my laptop keyboard but 
sometimes it feels good to have afull sized keybboard at your fingers.
On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> When I bought my Macbook Pro, I just bought an Apple keyboard for those times 
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Re: mobile me

[Linda Adams]

Sarah,

That's a good rule of thumb, I'll keep it in mind.

Linda

On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> My rule of thumb is interact wiht everything eventhough some info might not 
> be there. lol!
> 
> Take care.
> 
> S
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Kevin,
>> 
>> Thanks so much.  There are so many layers to certain items.  I don't think I 
>> would have thought to interact with the tool bar if you hadn't sent me in 
>> that direction.  I unchecked Idisk so that pesky mobile me message should be 
>> gone.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> HI Linda,
>>> 
>>> You need to be under the sidebar tab in the toolbar. You'll probably want 
>>> to keep hard disks checked under the General tab as this is what allows 
>>> Macintosh HD to show up on your desktop.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks Nick.

Can you do me a favour and send me the link to subscribe to the iphone list?  I 
just want the e-mail address please?

Kawal.
On 16 Aug 2010, at 18:30, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hello Kawal,
> 
> The way tracking works is simply that it leaves all the cursors where they 
> are. If it is turned off, the cursor settings in the VoiceOver Utility  are 
> simply ignored, and a good example of this is Skype.
> 
> It will only work on an application basis, however, which means that you have 
> to turn it on and off as you need to...but it's not that big of a deal to do 
> that after you get used to it. You can turn it on and off with VO-Shift-F3.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> Twitter
> Skype: Kvalme
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> AIM: cincinster
> 
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> How do you turn off the voice over tracking, and can you do this in 
>> different applications so you can turn off tracking for one applications and 
>> it's turned on for something else?
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 16 Aug 2010, at 17:08, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the 
>>> VoiceOVer cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a reply 
>>> is received, simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area without 
>>> having to reinteract.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>>> Facebook
>>> Twitter
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to 
 get to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later 
 version for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the 
 convo.
 
 I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the 
 same shorcutss for my skype macros 
 
 
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[focus]

Hi all!
I'm thankful for all the suggestions that you have contributed and will pass 
them on to Skype!
Colin
skype focus_66
On 16 Aug 2010, at 23:02, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Thanks Nick.
> 
> Can you do me a favour and send me the link to subscribe to the iphone list?  
> I just want the e-mail address please?
> 
> Kawal.
> On 16 Aug 2010, at 18:30, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hello Kawal,
>> 
>> The way tracking works is simply that it leaves all the cursors where they 
>> are. If it is turned off, the cursor settings in the VoiceOver Utility  are 
>> simply ignored, and a good example of this is Skype.
>> 
>> It will only work on an application basis, however, which means that you 
>> have to turn it on and off as you need to...but it's not that big of a deal 
>> to do that after you get used to it. You can turn it on and off with 
>> VO-Shift-F3.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you turn off the voice over tracking, and can you do this in 
>>> different applications so you can turn off tracking for one applications 
>>> and it's turned on for something else?
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 16 Aug 2010, at 17:08, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the 
 VoiceOVer cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a 
 reply is received, simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area 
 without having to reinteract.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
 Facebook
 Twitter
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
 AIM: cincinster
 
 On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to 
> get to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later 
> version for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the 
> convo.
> 
> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the 
> same shorcutss for my skype macros 
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> 
> 
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> 
> blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com
> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 
> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
>>> 
>>> (Skype ID):
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> (Mobile/text):
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>>> 
>>> +447576240421
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Re: Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right side

[Carolyn]

Hi Alfredo:
This sounds like something really cool.  although I doubt I'd be able to copy 
it.  I've often felt like wining about that need for a 6th finger to work with 
Vo on the left side and letters on the left side.

I may have to play with this.

Thanks.

Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alfredo 
  To: MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right 
side


  I have found a great way to make a Laptop more user friendly to VO
  users.  I have had a problem of having to awkwardly maneuver my right
  hand above my left hand when typing VO commands requiring Control
  +Option along with any key not he left side of the Keyboard.  For
  example, to execute the Command, Control-Option-Shift-D, to go tot he
  desktop, I would have to press the Control-Option-Shift with my left
  hand, while awkwardly moving my right hand above my left hand and
  pressing the "d" key to execute this command.  For laptop Macs, we are
  left on the short side of the stick when it comes to navigating VO,
  since we only have a control key on th left hand side of the keyboard,
  follow by a option and then a command key.  In the middle we have the
  spacebar, then tot he right of the spacebar we have another option key
  follow by another command key.  As you might image this keyboard
  layout is crazy for VO user who frequently have to use the combination
  of Option-Control to execute most VO navigation commands, since there
  is no Control key not he Right side of the Keyboard.  I attempted to
  map the Capslock key to the Option-Control key with Spark keys but the
  interface was confusing and not really intuitive, although I have to
  say that it would be great as a free version of text expander.  After
  failing ot map the keys I remember somewhere on the internet I had
  read that under Keyboard preferences there is a option to modify
  keys.  I decided to try this out and found that I could modify, or
  otherwise map, the Caps lock, Command, Control and option keys to
  either the Caps lock, command, option, control or no key.  This meant
  that I could map my 13" MacBook pro laptop command keys to functionto
  perform a control function.  Then I could map the Control key to the
  Command key.  This would allow me to execute VO commands that also
  required a key to be presed from the left side of the keyboard with
  wase.  However, there was still the problem that I did not have a
  command key on the right side of the Laptop since it was map as a
  control key, and that I would not be able to execute a command-w, or
  command-q, to close an application window or quit an application
  easily without having to move my hands awkwardly on my keyboard like I
  had done before I mapped the control key to my command keys.  Then it
  hit me that I barely, and many of u can relate, barely use the caps
  lock key.  I then decided to map the caps lock key to perform a
  command key operation.  Now I I have the command key at the bottom
  left of the keyboard, tot he right of the function key, then the
  option key to its right, then the control ke to its right.  I have the
  spacebar in the middle, follow by a option key to its right and a
  control key to its right.  I then have the caps lock key functioning
  as a command key.  this is also great for navigating on the web since
  I can easily press my Left hand side command-option-control in
  conjunctions with the right side of the keyboard to navigate webistes
  easily.  I am also able to use my right hand option-control, and press
  the caps lock key, which acts as a command key, with my pinky finger
  and press the keys on the left side of the keyboard with my other
  fingers.  Similar to using the jaws key byt this requires more
  keystroke pressing.  I still ilk using quick nave to navigate the web
  but having accessibility to being able to jump to the next table,
  graphic, or different element or even being able to use the VO search
  function not he web with ease.  I just wanted to let you guys know
  about this meted I have developed, and maybe others have to told.  I
  am starting ot love the Mac everyday more and more.  I also wanted to
  let you guys know that I am almost done with my tutorial.  It just a
  starters guide but it has pictures, and step by step instructions on
  how to do things such as making the function keys do software
  operations, setting list view as the default view for the finder,
  being able to use the tab key to navigate between all forms controls
  in both safari and on the whole system.  I also have describe every
  screen that I use to the user so that they better understand where
  they are navigating when using VO, which I think is an integral part
  of learning how to navigate a computer using a screen reader.
  Sincerely,
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Sarah Alawami]

Oh and in sending sms there is no send button as far as I can see. Hitting 
enter causes a new line to be entered. This has got to change!

S
On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, focus wrote:

> Hi all!
> I'm thankful for all the suggestions that you have contributed and will pass 
> them on to Skype!
> Colin
> skype focus_66
> On 16 Aug 2010, at 23:02, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Nick.
>> 
>> Can you do me a favour and send me the link to subscribe to the iphone list? 
>>  I just want the e-mail address please?
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 16 Aug 2010, at 18:30, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Kawal,
>>> 
>>> The way tracking works is simply that it leaves all the cursors where they 
>>> are. If it is turned off, the cursor settings in the VoiceOver Utility  are 
>>> simply ignored, and a good example of this is Skype.
>>> 
>>> It will only work on an application basis, however, which means that you 
>>> have to turn it on and off as you need to...but it's not that big of a deal 
>>> to do that after you get used to it. You can turn it on and off with 
>>> VO-Shift-F3.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>>> Facebook
>>> Twitter
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 How do you turn off the voice over tracking, and can you do this in 
 different applications so you can turn off tracking for one applications 
 and it's turned on for something else?
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 16 Aug 2010, at 17:08, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the 
> VoiceOVer cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a 
> reply is received, simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area 
> without having to reinteract.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
> Facebook
> Twitter
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
> AIM: cincinster
> 
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and to 
>> get to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a later 
>> version for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out of the 
>> convo.
>> 
>> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted the 
>> same shorcutss for my skype macros 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>> 
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Infovox

[Allison Manzino]

Hi all,

THis might be a bit off topic so I apologize in advance to the moderators if it 
is. Has anyone used Infovox and does anyone know how to unlock it? Every time I 
try,  it says the code I have entered is for the language pack and I have to 
unlock infovox first to use it. Does anyone know what this means? THank you for 
any assistance you can provide.

Sincerely,
Allison

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Re: Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right side

[Sarah Alawami]

Actaully a freind of mine went in to dvorak layout. Although I won't use it as 
it looks confusng that might makeing stuff easier to do.

S
On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Carolyn wrote:

> Hi Alfredo:
> This sounds like something really cool.  although I doubt I'd be able to copy 
> it.  I've often felt like wining about that need for a 6th finger to work 
> with Vo on the left side and letters on the left side.
>  
> I may have to play with this.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: Alfredo
> To: MacVisionaries
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:10 PM
> Subject: Great workaround for Mac Laptops who want a Control ke ont he right 
> side
> 
> I have found a great way to make a Laptop more user friendly to VO
> users.  I have had a problem of having to awkwardly maneuver my right
> hand above my left hand when typing VO commands requiring Control
> +Option along with any key not he left side of the Keyboard.  For
> example, to execute the Command, Control-Option-Shift-D, to go tot he
> desktop, I would have to press the Control-Option-Shift with my left
> hand, while awkwardly moving my right hand above my left hand and
> pressing the "d" key to execute this command.  For laptop Macs, we are
> left on the short side of the stick when it comes to navigating VO,
> since we only have a control key on th left hand side of the keyboard,
> follow by a option and then a command key.  In the middle we have the
> spacebar, then tot he right of the spacebar we have another option key
> follow by another command key.  As you might image this keyboard
> layout is crazy for VO user who frequently have to use the combination
> of Option-Control to execute most VO navigation commands, since there
> is no Control key not he Right side of the Keyboard.  I attempted to
> map the Capslock key to the Option-Control key with Spark keys but the
> interface was confusing and not really intuitive, although I have to
> say that it would be great as a free version of text expander.  After
> failing ot map the keys I remember somewhere on the internet I had
> read that under Keyboard preferences there is a option to modify
> keys.  I decided to try this out and found that I could modify, or
> otherwise map, the Caps lock, Command, Control and option keys to
> either the Caps lock, command, option, control or no key.  This meant
> that I could map my 13" MacBook pro laptop command keys to functionto
> perform a control function.  Then I could map the Control key to the
> Command key.  This would allow me to execute VO commands that also
> required a key to be presed from the left side of the keyboard with
> wase.  However, there was still the problem that I did not have a
> command key on the right side of the Laptop since it was map as a
> control key, and that I would not be able to execute a command-w, or
> command-q, to close an application window or quit an application
> easily without having to move my hands awkwardly on my keyboard like I
> had done before I mapped the control key to my command keys.  Then it
> hit me that I barely, and many of u can relate, barely use the caps
> lock key.  I then decided to map the caps lock key to perform a
> command key operation.  Now I I have the command key at the bottom
> left of the keyboard, tot he right of the function key, then the
> option key to its right, then the control ke to its right.  I have the
> spacebar in the middle, follow by a option key to its right and a
> control key to its right.  I then have the caps lock key functioning
> as a command key.  this is also great for navigating on the web since
> I can easily press my Left hand side command-option-control in
> conjunctions with the right side of the keyboard to navigate webistes
> easily.  I am also able to use my right hand option-control, and press
> the caps lock key, which acts as a command key, with my pinky finger
> and press the keys on the left side of the keyboard with my other
> fingers.  Similar to using the jaws key byt this requires more
> keystroke pressing.  I still ilk using quick nave to navigate the web
> but having accessibility to being able to jump to the next table,
> graphic, or different element or even being able to use the VO search
> function not he web with ease.  I just wanted to let you guys know
> about this meted I have developed, and maybe others have to told.  I
> am starting ot love the Mac everyday more and more.  I also wanted to
> let you guys know that I am almost done with my tutorial.  It just a
> starters guide but it has pictures, and step by step instructions on
> how to do things such as making the function keys do software
> operations, setting list view as the default view for the finder,
> being able to use the tab key to navigate between all forms controls
> in both safari and on the whole system.  I also have describe every
> screen that I use to the user so that they better understand where
> they are navigating when using VO, which I think 

Re: Infovox

[Justin Kauflin]

You might want to contact the folks you got Infovox from.  If your code is for 
the language pack, it will not unlock the program.  You have to get a single 
user license in order to use it.
Good luck,
Justin
On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> THis might be a bit off topic so I apologize in advance to the moderators if 
> it is. Has anyone used Infovox and does anyone know how to unlock it? Every 
> time I try,  it says the code I have entered is for the language pack and I 
> have to unlock infovox first to use it. Does anyone know what this means? 
> THank you for any assistance you can provide.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
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Re: pop up windows

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Thats a solution, but for fast interaction when writing serious content, it'd 
be better to have immediate response via the pop up, and i believe this should 
be implemented.

Thanks for the tip though just used it for those system dialogs i was never 
able to access directly 

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Re: Infovox

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

When you first purcahse a language pack from Infovox iVox, choosing  your 
license, you will get two e-mails. One contains the activation code for the 
Infovox iVox application, the other contains a license code for your particular 
language.

Depending on which link you clicked, you might have purchased the wrong license 
without an actual activation code for the program itself to allow you to unlock 
languages. There are two links. One is indeed to purchase aditional language, 
the other is for purchasing the program plus another language. You might want 
to ensure you clicked the right link, and if not, quickly contact the dealer to 
fix the issue.

Regards,
Nic
Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Aug 2010, at 04:54, Justin Kauflin  wrote:

> You might want to contact the folks you got Infovox from.  If your code is 
> for the language pack, it will not unlock the program.  You have to get a 
> single user license in order to use it.
> Good luck,
> Justin
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> THis might be a bit off topic so I apologize in advance to the moderators if 
>> it is. Has anyone used Infovox and does anyone know how to unlock it? Every 
>> time I try,  it says the code I have entered is for the language pack and I 
>> have to unlock infovox first to use it. Does anyone know what this means? 
>> THank you for any assistance you can provide.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Allison
>> 
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
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RE: alternative vm software

[Simon Fogarty]

What, you setup parallels with the help of someone sighted and you can now
use it with jaws or window eyes?
 Really?  I thought parallels was inaccessible?

And that jaws wouldn't work with it?!

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of joseph
Sent: Sunday, 15 August 2010 12:01 a.m.
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: alternative vm software

i tried parallel desktop.  it is not accessible but if you get sighted help
to set it up once, it should not give you any problem.

hth.

Sarah Alawami wrote:
> Yu can try vertual box but you use the command line. I'm not an export in
the terminal at all so can't even give you 1 iota of helpful advice. lol!
>
> Take care.
>
> S
> On Aug 14, 2010, at 1:10 AM, chad baker wrote:
>
> > Hi is there any alternative virtual machine software besides fusion?
> > I'm finding it real sluggish.
> > I wish virtualbox was accessible.
> > I want to try bootcamp but i don't have anyone sighted around.
> > Is there a work around or no?
> > thanks
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RE: Teaching Mac to sighted people

[Simon Fogarty]

Esther, 

 Much thanks for this, You're a wiz.

 Cheers 

 Simon f

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2010 8:48 p.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Teaching Mac to sighted people

Hi Simon,

You can purchase a DRM-free, ePub version of "Mac OS X Snow Leopard:  
The Missing Manual" by David Pogue from O'Reilly's eBooks.  They sell their
eBooks in multi-format bundles that include PDF files that you can read in
Preview and ePub versions that you can add to your iTunes Library and read
in iBooks on your iPad (or iPhone or iPod Touch under  
iOS 4).   They also have "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,  
Snow Leopard Edition" by the same author.  All the O'Reilly books are
available through Bookshare.org, internationally, although the annual
subscription for users outside of the U.S. is probably the cost of buying
the book from O'Reilly in an eBook bundle that includes an ePub version.
Here's their web site:

http://oreilly.com/ebooks/

You'll need to create an account with log in for your purchases.  Once you
buy the eBook bundle, you'll have access to multiple formats of the book
from your log in account.  They'll also tell you if the book has been
updated.  I'm not sure if this is still valid, but they ran a promotion for
eBook purchases in connection with the iPhone (Stanza
app) last year, and the coupon code "STANZACAT" on checkout gave a 40%
discount.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 11, 2010, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> It's in pdf format.
>
> Teresa
>
> On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Is this book available in an e book format, that I could read on my 
>> ipad?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
>> Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2010 12:37 p.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Teaching Mac to sighted people
>>
>> Snow Leopard, The Missing Manual from OReilly publishers is an 
>> extremely good book. It describes in detail what the window controls 
>> look like and any keystrokes, if applicable, etc. I highly recommend 
>> it.
>>
>> Teresa
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>>
>>> Hi:
>>> Now this is a switch. LOL. I've learned Windows from sighted people, 
>>> so
>> have been able to adapt from their POV; however I'm learning the Mac 
>> from a blindness perspective. I'm trying to show a sighted person my 
>> Mac, and since I don't really know what the screen looks like, we're 
>> having issues. I.E. He cannot see the icons on the doc, and he cannot 
>> find the address bar in Safari. Any advice?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> Personal Come join me on www.swagbucks.com/refer/sdbuccia
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Re: Skype users vo suggestions

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Sarah, just hit COntrol-enter to send off your SMS.

Regards,
Nic
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GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
Facebook
Twitter
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Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
AIM: cincinster

On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:42 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Oh and in sending sms there is no send button as far as I can see. Hitting 
> enter causes a new line to be entered. This has got to change!
> 
> S
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, focus wrote:
> 
>> Hi all!
>> I'm thankful for all the suggestions that you have contributed and will pass 
>> them on to Skype!
>> Colin
>> skype focus_66
>> On 16 Aug 2010, at 23:02, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Nick.
>>> 
>>> Can you do me a favour and send me the link to subscribe to the iphone 
>>> list?  I just want the e-mail address please?
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 16 Aug 2010, at 18:30, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Kawal,
 
 The way tracking works is simply that it leaves all the cursors where they 
 are. If it is turned off, the cursor settings in the VoiceOver Utility  
 are simply ignored, and a good example of this is Skype.
 
 It will only work on an application basis, however, which means that you 
 have to turn it on and off as you need to...but it's not that big of a 
 deal to do that after you get used to it. You can turn it on and off with 
 VO-Shift-F3.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
 Facebook
 Twitter
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 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
 AIM: cincinster
 
 On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> How do you turn off the voice over tracking, and can you do this in 
> different applications so you can turn off tracking for one applications 
> and it's turned on for something else?
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 16 Aug 2010, at 17:08, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Why not just turn off cursor tracking? That way, you can leave the 
>> VoiceOVer cursor in the HTML area, type a message, send it and when a 
>> reply is received, simply go to the last visible item in the HTML area 
>> without having to reinteract.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I currently use keyboard maestro to automate the interacting part and 
>>> to get to the last dialogue but i agree, skype can do better with a 
>>> later version for which the user doesn't need to always go in and out 
>>> of the convo.
>>> 
>>> I used to like the ctrl 1 2 3 in JAWS for that matter, and i adopted 
>>> the same shorcutss for my skype macros 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>>> 
>>> blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com
>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>>> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 
>>> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: log me in

[Simon Fogarty]

Nancy,

 

We use it at my work also, but it's not accessible with vo or any other
screen readers.

Problem is that it opens a web browser window on the client machine which
your screen reader can not read. I'd love this to be different but it's not.

Log me in, is great for sighted people, not I'm sorry to say for the blind.

 

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2010 5:12 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: log me in

 

Has anyone ever used a program called "log me in" on their mac?  My work is
starting to use it in order to view work stuff at home or out of the office.
If you are familiar with it, could you tell me if it's accessible?  Also, is
there another accessible program that will do the same thing?  

Thanks

Nancy

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