Re: [LincolnTalk] Dog walker

[Mary Sheldon via Lincoln]

 Paula Vaccaro who walks Margaret's two Labs and my Golden Retriever is great 
and very responsible,  She walks them in a group with her very large and sweet 
dog.  T wo of the group are on a leash so I don't know whether she would want a 
third but worth a try.          617 281 0156   Maybe she would be willing to 
walk your dog independently.
On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 11:47:59 AM EST, Emily Parker Beekman 
 wrote:   

 Hi,
We need an occasional weekend dog walker for our sweet goldendoodle. Might 
anyone be able to recommend someone they use and trust who is local?
Thank you,Emily 

Emily Parker Beekman
203.988.4800
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

[Jonathan Sheffi]

I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political statements
(that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore they need to
go to the new political channel along with the discussion around them.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:

> My votes:
> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of
> the LT moderators.
>
> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to
> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents,
> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to
> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators
> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that
> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK
> with me.
>
> - Paul Shorb
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:
>
>> I support this proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>> June Matthews
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
>> Sheffi
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
>> *To:* Lincoln Talk 
>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk –
>> permanently
>>
>>
>>
>> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I
>> was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics
>> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
>> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
>> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to serve
>> the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, Russia,
>> Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics either.
>> I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the owners and
>> moderators of Lincoln Talk.
>>
>>
>>
>>1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. This
>>would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts 
>> of
>>the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
>>2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus
>>on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a
>>presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or
>>Ukraine or anywhere else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
>>
>>
>>
>>1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly across
>>all non-Lincoln political matters.
>>
>>
>>2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ
>>
>> 
>>and Rules & Policies
>>
>> .
>>May I suggest the following amendments:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?** In
>> other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or
>> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on
>> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re
>> inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how
>> they’re handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best
>> route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not
>> Lincoln. *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Does my message avoid changing the subject?** When you reply to a
>> message and you change the focus substantially, you may be going off topic.
>> For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a
>> national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on
>> national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.*
>>
>>
>>
>> I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual
>> and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest
>> that we start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who wants to
>> talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All
>> event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with
>> the LT moderators redirecting as necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with it,
>> but I believe that moving our geopolitical event invitations and
>> discussions to a new dedicated forum will help us restore the Lincoln Talk
>> we all love.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender.]ᐧ
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[LincolnTalk] Fine dining Brookline

[dgloew--- via Lincoln]

Does anyone have a suggestion for  good “fine dining” restaurants in or near 
Brookline.
Thanks!
Davida

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[LincolnTalk] Lost earbud and case near Pierce Pond

[Margo Fisher-Martin]

Hi,
A friend lost an earbud and case walking in the Pierce Pond area yesterday.
If found, please contact me, and I will connect you for the return.
Thank you!
Margo
14 Giles Rd
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[LincolnTalk] FREE Moving Boxes

[Zalen Stason]

Hi LT, 

I have many free moving boxes, will get recycled tomorrow. 

Let me know if you want them. 
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[LincolnTalk] Needing to borrow a wheel chair

[Christine Damon]

Hi all,

We need to borrow a wheel chair for a couple of weeks. Just checked at the
council on Aging and they are all out right now.

Thanks in advance for any leads! I can pick up!

Chris Damon
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Needing to borrow a wheel chair- all set Thank you!

[Christine Damon]

All set on the wheel chair! This community is the best!

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Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[Fred Hopengarten]

Family Deaths Under Hitler


Brother of Sora Ivry Maltz
Faga Maltz Pasternak, her husband (Motachuh Pasternak), and seven children
Sora Angelski
Esther Maltz
Abraham Maltz
Beryl Weisglass
Pincus Weisglass
Rebecca Weisglass, and son
Nathan Hopengarten's son
Beinha Hopengarten
Chaia Hopengarten Belchatofsky
Israel Belchatofsky's (Sol Bell's) wife and son
Faga Hopengarten
Karl Hopfengarten, and son
Salomon Israel Hopengarten, prisoner number: 72547, born 
1921-12-12, in Warschau
Benjamin Hopfengarten
Esther Hopfengarten, husband, and three children


Total:31


Those 31 people are the reasons that Maltz (my grandmother’s line) and 
Hopengarten family members alive today in Israel and the United States so 
strongly advocate for the safety of Jews. To us, it is personal. I don’t take 
kindly to the idea that “From the River to the Sea, Palestine should be free 
(of Jews).” Jews have learned the hard way that good will and general consensus 
on international standards of behavior is not enough. Never again.

“Although there is no   
consensus over the extent to which anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic, anti-Zionism 
can sometimes be indistinguishable from anti-Semitism in its expression, at 
times employing anti-Semitic tropes or having a marginalizing effect on Jews.” 
Zionism | Definition, History, Movement,  
 & Ideology | Britannica

Fred Hopengarten
6 Willarch Road


From: Lincoln [mailto:lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Sheffi
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2025 1:48 PM
To: Lincoln Talk
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

I appreciate your email, and I wish that we had consensus on equal rights for 
the Jewish people, but no, we are not there yet as a town.

The flyer for Mr Low's speaker last month called Zionism (the equal right of 
Jews as an ethnoreligious minority to self-determine in their ancestral 
homeland) "a modern expression of neocolonialism and fascism." In my original 
synopses of the movies GRALTA is presenting, I made clear how all these movies 
specifically oppose equal the Jewish right of self-determination, the Jewish 
right to seek political power, the Jewish right to self-defense, and so on.

That's why I've been persistent in opening up this topic, because I am seeking 
consensus on Jewish equal rights, and we do not have it.
  

 ᐧ

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:20 PM RAandBOB  wrote:
There needs to be no discussion about whether Jews deserve the same rights as 
other human beings. There’s no debate there: they do.

The state of Israel however is not a person, it’s a country. There are 
currently certain rules of engagement that people would like to see apply to 
all countries. Even the United States does not abide by all those rules, but 
people would like to see Israel (and the United States) abide by the rules that 
were developed by a consortium of the world’s nations.

Ruth Ann
(She, her, hers)



On Jan 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:

Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight.

A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles away 
belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to discussing 
whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to other human 
beings, we suddenly need to take it offline?
  

 ᐧ

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
LT has been around for a while now.
It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its 
functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and otherwise) 
here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes contentious debate.
The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.
They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”
When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from personal 
experience.

It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of certain 
posts and/ or posters.
It is the “delete” button.
Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.
You are not forced to read or participate.

The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing 
speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.

I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations, and 
would hate to see it change.


Sent from my iPad



On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:

I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political statements 
(that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore they need to go to 
the new political channel along with the discussion around them

[LincolnTalk] Taken- boxes

[Zalen Stason]

All boxes have been taken.

If anyone else has extras, post on LT!

I got 8 interested people.

Best,

Zalen
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[LincolnTalk] Settlers of Catan: Seafarers Expansion

[Andy Wang]

The family just started playing Settlers of Catan (yes, we're like 30 years
late to the game) and the kids are addicted. I was wondering if anyone had
the Seafarers Expansion that would be willing to lend us to try out to mix
it up a little bit.  I've heard good things about it, but figured I'd see
if someone had a copy to lend so we could try it out before buying it.  Or
if you've got a complete copy on your shelf that you haven't touched in a
while and might be interested in selling, let me know that as well.  Thanks!

- Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Late Night at the Twisted Tree at decordova

[Sara Mattes]

For any who not attended, this is a hoot1
It can get pretty filled with folks and kids, and very noisy when the music 
starts, but it is a great reminder of how lively and joyful our community is!

> On Jan 2, 2025, at 4:04 PM, Christine Doherty via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Twisted Tree at deCordova will be open late for our monthly First Friday 
> event on January 3rd from 5 pm to 9 pm.  We will have live music from 6 pm to 
> 9 pm and there will be seasonal food and drink specials.   It is a great way 
> to ring in the new year and relax and have some fun with family and friends. 
> Kids are welcome!  Please visit our website for more information and we hope 
> to see you there! 
> 
> 
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[LincolnTalk] Erg for sale?

[judyta frodyma]

Howdy Lincoln!

In the spirit of the new year, former varsity rower here looking to buy an
erg, ideally a Concept 2. Nothing fancy. Before I jump to buy a new one,
does anyone have one they're not using lying around they'd be willing to
sell (or rent)?

Thanks!
Jude
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Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[P Best]

We don't need any political discussions here. If you know the person, meet
them over coffee and have it private. We are here to find someone to clean
a yard, a house, plumbers and electricians.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 3:08 PM Fred Hopengarten <
hopengar...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:

> *Family Deaths Under Hitler*
>
>
>
> Brother of Sora Ivry Maltz
>
> Faga Maltz Pasternak, her husband (Motachuh Pasternak), and seven children
>
> Sora Angelski
>
> Esther Maltz
>
> Abraham Maltz
>
> Beryl Weisglass
>
> Pincus Weisglass
>
> Rebecca Weisglass, and son
>
> Nathan Hopengarten's son
>
> Beinha Hopengarten
>
> Chaia Hopengarten Belchatofsky
>
> Israel Belchatofsky's (Sol Bell's) wife and son
>
> Faga Hopengarten
>
> Karl Hopfengarten, and son
>
> Salomon Israel Hopengarten, *prisoner number: 72547,*
> born 1921-12-12, in Warschau
>
> Benjamin Hopfengarten
>
> Esther Hopfengarten, husband, and three children
>
>
> Total:31
>
>
>
> Those 31 people are the reasons that Maltz (my grandmother’s line) and
> Hopengarten family members alive today in Israel and the United States so
> strongly advocate for the safety of Jews. To us, it is personal. I don’t
> take kindly to the idea that “From the River to the Sea, Palestine should
> be free (of Jews).” Jews have learned the hard way that good will and
> general consensus on international standards of behavior is not enough.
> Never again.
>
>
>
> “Although there is no consensus
>  over the extent to
> which anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic, anti-Zionism can sometimes be
> indistinguishable from anti-Semitism in its expression, at times employing
> anti-Semitic tropes or having a marginalizing effect on Jews.” Zionism |
> Definition, History, Movement, & Ideology | Britannica
> 
>
>
>
> Fred Hopengarten
>
> 6 Willarch Road
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln [mailto:lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Jonathan
> Sheffi
> *Sent:* Friday, January 03, 2025 1:48 PM
> *To:* Lincoln Talk
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts
>
>
>
> I appreciate your email, and I wish that we had consensus on equal rights
> for the Jewish people, but no, we are not there yet as a town.
>
>
>
> The flyer for Mr Low's speaker last month called Zionism (the equal right
> of Jews as an ethnoreligious minority to self-determine in their ancestral
> homeland) "a modern expression of neocolonialism and fascism." In my
> original synopses of the movies GRALTA is presenting, I made clear how all
> these movies specifically *oppose* equal the Jewish right of
> self-determination, the Jewish right to seek political power, the Jewish
> right to self-defense, and so on.
>
>
>
> That's why I've been persistent in opening up this topic, because I am
> seeking consensus on Jewish equal rights, and we do not have it.
>
> ᐧ
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:20 PM RAandBOB  wrote:
>
> There needs to be no discussion about whether Jews deserve the same rights
> as other human beings. There’s no debate there: they do.
>
>
>
> The state of Israel however is not a person, it’s a country. There are
> currently certain rules of engagement that people would like to see apply
> to all countries. Even the United States does not abide by all those rules,
> but people would like to see Israel (and the United States) abide by the
> rules that were developed by a consortium of the world’s nations.
>
>
>
> Ruth Ann
>
> (She, her, hers)
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight.
>
>
>
> A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles
> away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to
> discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to
> other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline?
>
> ᐧ
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> LT has been around for a while now.
>
> It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its
> functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and
> otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes
> contentious debate.
>
> The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.
>
> They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”
>
> When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from
> personal experience.
>
>
>
> It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of
> certain posts and/ or posters.
>
> It is the “delete” button.
>
> Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.
>
> You are not forced to read or participate.
>
>
>
> The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing
> speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.
>
>
>
> I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations,
> and

Re: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

[P Best]

I agree, discussions here about anything political won't solve anything,
rather create tension.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 9:28 AM Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:

> I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political
> statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore
> they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion
> around them.
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:
>
>> My votes:
>> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of
>> the LT moderators.
>>
>> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to
>> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents,
>> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to
>> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators
>> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that
>> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK
>> with me.
>>
>> - Paul Shorb
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:
>>
>>> I support this proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> June Matthews
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
>>> Sheffi
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk 
>>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk –
>>> permanently
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I
>>> was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics
>>> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
>>> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
>>> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to
>>> serve the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran,
>>> Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics
>>> either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the
>>> owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. This
>>>would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts 
>>> of
>>>the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
>>>2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus
>>>on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a
>>>presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or
>>>Ukraine or anywhere else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly
>>>across all non-Lincoln political matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ
>>>
>>> 
>>>and Rules & Policies
>>>
>>> .
>>>May I suggest the following amendments:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?**
>>> In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or
>>> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on
>>> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re
>>> inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how
>>> they’re handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best
>>> route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not
>>> Lincoln. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Does my message avoid changing the subject?** When you reply to a
>>> message and you change the focus substantially, you may be going off topic.
>>> For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a
>>> national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on
>>> national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual
>>> and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest
>>> that we start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who wants to
>>> talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All
>>> event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with
>>> the LT moderators redirecting as necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with it,
>>> but I believe that moving our geopolitical event invitations and
>>> discussions to a new dedicated forum will help us restore the Lincoln Talk
>>> we all love.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender.]ᐧ
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Dog walker

[Tracy McLaughlin]

Paula is phenomenal! We've known her for years.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: Lincoln  on behalf of Mary Sheldon via 
Lincoln 
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2025 9:18 AM
To: lincoln@lincolntalk.org ; Emily Parker Beekman 

Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Dog walker

Paula Vaccaro who walks Margaret's two Labs and my Golden Retriever is great 
and very responsible,  She walks them in a group with her very large and sweet 
dog.  T wo of the group are on a leash so I don't know whether she would want a 
third but worth a try.  617 281 0156   Maybe she would be willing to 
walk your dog independently.

On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 11:47:59 AM EST, Emily Parker Beekman 
 wrote:


Hi,

We need an occasional weekend dog walker for our sweet goldendoodle. Might 
anyone be able to recommend someone they use and trust who is local?

Thank you,
Emily

Emily Parker Beekman
203.988.4800
emily.p.beek...@gmail.com
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

[Orest Hurko]

Jonathan
,
Thank you for your proposal, which I heartily endorse.

There is a time and place for everything.  I would also prefer that
national and international politics not be broadcast in Lincoln Talk.
Surely there must be more appropriate fora for those sorts of things

Happy New Year. neighbors!

Best

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On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:35 PM Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:

> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I
> was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics
> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
>
> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to serve
> the residents of Lincoln. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, Russia, Ukraine,
> China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics either. I
> therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the owners and
> moderators of Lincoln Talk.
>
>
>1.
>
>A permanent ban on all discussion of geopolitical issues. This would
>apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts of the
>USA outside our 7,000 person town.
>2.
>
>This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus on
>matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a
>presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or
>Ukraine or anywhere else.
>
>
> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
>
>
>1.
>
>The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly across all
>non-Lincoln political matters.
>2.
>
>Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ
>
> 
>and Rules & Policies
>
> .
>May I suggest the following amendments:
>
>
> Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community? In
> other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or
> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on
> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re 
> inviting
> people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how they’re
> handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best route
> to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not Lincoln.
>
> Does my message avoid changing the subject? When you reply to a message
> and you change the focus substantially, you may be going off topic. For
> example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a national
> political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on national
> politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.
>
> I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual
> and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest
> that we start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who wants to
> talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All
> event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with
> the LT moderators redirecting as necessary.
>
> I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with it,
> but I believe that moving our geopolitical event invitations and
> discussions to a new dedicated forum will help us restore the Lincoln Talk
> we all love.
>
> Jonathan
> ᐧ
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[LincolnTalk] Found: lavender frame glasses on trail south Lincoln

[Wendy Horwitz via Lincoln]

As I was walking in the woods between the Farm meadow and Lincoln Road I 
spotted a pair of lavender framed glasses that were hung on a bush beside one 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

[V Saleme]

What’s been asked for and what has been truly required for many years now
is a web-based discussion forum that would facilitate the partitioning off
of discussions people don’t necessarily want to engage in- Through Internal
forums and sub forms that are geared to such topics. These Forums have been
widely available for 25+ years now.

LT, despite being asked numerous times and in fact having been previously
offered free hosting, set up and handing over of the keys of said
discussion forum architecture, simply don’t engage on the subject matter
thus the 1990s email based technology, as antiquated/ problematic as it is,
remains.

Not sure if anybody else is willing to push that topic along- many have
tried, including myself.
Perhaps simply creating it might be the key.

Vic


On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:33 AM Paul Shorb  wrote:

> My votes:
> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of
> the LT moderators.
>
> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to
> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents,
> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to
> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators
> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that
> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK
> with me.
>
> - Paul Shorb
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:
>
>> I support this proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>> June Matthews
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
>> Sheffi
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
>> *To:* Lincoln Talk 
>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk –
>> permanently
>>
>>
>>
>> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I
>> was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics
>> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
>> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
>> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to serve
>> the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, Russia,
>> Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics either.
>> I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the owners and
>> moderators of Lincoln Talk.
>>
>>
>>
>>1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. This
>>would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts 
>> of
>>the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
>>2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus
>>on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a
>>presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or
>>Ukraine or anywhere else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
>>
>>
>>
>>1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly across
>>all non-Lincoln political matters.
>>
>>
>>2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ
>>
>> 
>>and Rules & Policies
>>
>> .
>>May I suggest the following amendments:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?** In
>> other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or
>> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on
>> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re
>> inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how
>> they’re handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best
>> route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not
>> Lincoln. *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Does my message avoid changing the subject?** When you reply to a
>> message and you change the focus substantially, you may be going off topic.
>> For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a
>> national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on
>> national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.*
>>
>>
>>
>> I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual
>> and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest
>> that we start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who wants to
>> talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All
>> event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with
>> the LT moderators redirecting as necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with it,
>> but I 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[V Saleme]

Bingo

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 12:42 PM Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:

> Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight.
>
> A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles
> away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to
> discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to
> other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline?
> ᐧ
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> LT has been around for a while now.
>> It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its
>> functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and
>> otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes
>> contentious debate.
>> The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.
>> They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”
>> When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from
>> personal experience.
>>
>> It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of
>> certain posts and/ or posters.
>> It is the “delete” button.
>> Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.
>> You are not forced to read or participate.
>>
>> The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing
>> speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.
>>
>> I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations,
>> and would hate to see it change.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political
>> statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore
>> they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion
>> around them.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:
>>
>>> My votes:
>>> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of
>>> the LT moderators.
>>>
>>> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to
>>> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents,
>>> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to
>>> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators
>>> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that
>>> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK
>>> with me.
>>>
>>> - Paul Shorb
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:
>>>
 I support this proposal.



 June Matthews



 *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
 Sheffi
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
 *To:* Lincoln Talk 
 *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk –
 permanently



 When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started,
 I was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics
 belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
 the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
 animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.



 I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to
 serve the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran,
 Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics
 either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the
 owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk.



1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. This
would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the 
 parts of
the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they
focus on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize 
 for
a presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or
Ukraine or anywhere else.



 Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:



1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly
across all non-Lincoln political matters.


2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ

 
and Rules & Policies

 .
May I suggest the following amendments:



 *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?**
 In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or
 providing information to your community, then your message is probably on
 topic even if the focus isn't on 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[P Best]

We don't need political discussions, we need help finding plumbers and
electricians.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:48 PM Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:

> I appreciate your email, and I wish that we had consensus on equal rights
> for the Jewish people, but no, we are not there yet as a town.
>
> The flyer for Mr Low's speaker last month called Zionism (the equal right
> of Jews as an ethnoreligious minority to self-determine in their ancestral
> homeland) "a modern expression of neocolonialism and fascism." In my
> original synopses of the movies GRALTA is presenting, I made clear how all
> these movies specifically *oppose* equal the Jewish right of
> self-determination, the Jewish right to seek political power, the Jewish
> right to self-defense, and so on.
>
> That's why I've been persistent in opening up this topic, because I am
> seeking consensus on Jewish equal rights, and we do not have it.
> ᐧ
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:20 PM RAandBOB  wrote:
>
>> There needs to be no discussion about whether Jews deserve the same
>> rights as other human beings. There’s no debate there: they do.
>>
>> The state of Israel however is not a person, it’s a country. There are
>> currently certain rules of engagement that people would like to see apply
>> to all countries. Even the United States does not abide by all those rules,
>> but people would like to see Israel (and the United States) abide by the
>> rules that were developed by a consortium of the world’s nations.
>>
>> Ruth Ann
>> (She, her, hers)
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight.
>>
>> A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles
>> away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to
>> discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to
>> other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline?
>> ᐧ
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> LT has been around for a while now.
>>> It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its
>>> functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and
>>> otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes
>>> contentious debate.
>>> The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.
>>> They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”
>>> When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from
>>> personal experience.
>>>
>>> It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of
>>> certain posts and/ or posters.
>>> It is the “delete” button.
>>> Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.
>>> You are not forced to read or participate.
>>>
>>> The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free
>>> flowing speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.
>>>
>>> I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations,
>>> and would hate to see it change.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political
>>> statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore
>>> they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion
>>> around them.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:
>>>
 My votes:
 Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of
 the LT moderators.

 Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to
 simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents,
 even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to
 subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators
 (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that
 separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK
 with me.

 - Paul Shorb

 On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews 
 wrote:

> I support this proposal.
>
>
>
> June Matthews
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
> Sheffi
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
> *To:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk –
> permanently
>
>
>
> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started,
> I was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that 
> politics
> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
>
>
>
> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to
> serve the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Isra

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Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[RAandBOB]

This will be my last word on this discussion, since people on LT seem to have tired of it. I have immense sympathy for the Jewish people. They have been persecuted for hundreds of years and they have never had a safe place in the world. When Hitler tried to exterminate them, the U.S. and Canada share the badge of shame for refusing to take in the fleeing Jews. I have many Jewish friends and I find them fun and intelligent. I admire many tenets of the Jewish religion, to the extent I am familiar with them. They have added greatly to our culture.The idea of a Jewish state had merit: let us finally give them a country of their own. However, the land provided by the Great Powers was not theirs to give and was given without the consent of the current occupants. So, alas, though the Jews now have their own country, it is still not safe. The story is more complex than that, since the surrounding countries wish to keep stirring up trouble for many reasons, many of which have little to do with the Jews.  I wish someone knew the answer. I still consider reaching agreement on who owns the land the only way to reach a peace, and even that may not be enough given Iran’s part in the situation.I only wish that the endless killing, that only sews the seeds of more hatred and brings no peace or safety, could be ended. I wish that both the Israelis and the Palestinians could live in safety and prosperity. I also understand that, although many Jewish people have found a haven in the U. S., the evil snake of antisemitism still lurks in the dark corners of this country. We should all work tirelessly to stamp that out and celebrate the presence of our Jewish friends. And we should offer to support them and protect them should the need arise.Ruth Ann(She, her, hers)On Jan 3, 2025, at 2:49 PM, Fred Hopengarten  wrote:Family Deaths Under Hitler Brother of Sora Ivry MaltzFaga Maltz Pasternak, her husband (Motachuh Pasternak), and seven childrenSora AngelskiEsther MaltzAbraham MaltzBeryl WeisglassPincus WeisglassRebecca Weisglass, and sonNathan Hopengarten's sonBeinha HopengartenChaia Hopengarten BelchatofskyIsrael Belchatofsky's (Sol Bell's) wife and sonFaga HopengartenKarl Hopfengarten, and son    Salomon Israel Hopengarten, prisoner number: 72547, born 1921-12-12, in WarschauBenjamin HopfengartenEsther Hopfengarten, husband, and three children Total:    31 Those 31 people are the reasons that Maltz (my grandmother’s line) and Hopengarten family members alive today in Israel and the United States so strongly advocate for the safety of Jews. To us, it is personal. I don’t take kindly to the idea that “From the River to the Sea, Palestine should be free (of Jews).” Jews have learned the hard way that good will and general consensus on international standards of behavior is not enough. Never again. “Although there is no consensus over the extent to which anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic, anti-Zionism can sometimes be indistinguishable from anti-Semitism in its _expression_, at times employing anti-Semitic tropes or having a marginalizing effect on Jews.” Zionism | Definition, History, Movement, & Ideology | Britannica  Fred Hopengarten 6 Willarch Road  From: Lincoln [mailto:lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan SheffiSent: Friday, January 03, 2025 1:48 PMTo: Lincoln TalkSubject: Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts I appreciate your email, and I wish that we had consensus on equal rights for the Jewish people, but no, we are not there yet as a town. The flyer for Mr Low's speaker last month called Zionism (the equal right of Jews as an ethnoreligious minority to self-determine in their ancestral homeland) "a modern _expression_ of neocolonialism and fascism." In my original synopses of the movies GRALTA is presenting, I made clear how all these movies specifically oppose equal the Jewish right of self-determination, the Jewish right to seek political power, the Jewish right to self-defense, and so on. That's why I've been persistent in opening up this topic, because I am seeking consensus on Jewish equal rights, and we do not have it.ᐧ On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:20 PM RAandBOB  wrote:There needs to be no discussion about whether Jews deserve the same rights as other human beings. There’s no debate there: they do.  The state of Israel however is not a person, it’s a country. There are currently certain rules of engagement that people would like to see apply to all countries. Even the United States does not abide by all those rules, but people would like to see Israel (and the United States) abide by the rules that were developed by a consortium of the world’s nations. Ruth Ann(She, her, hers)On Jan 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight. A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to disc

Re: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

[Paul Shorb]

My votes:
Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of
the LT moderators.

Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to simply
post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents, even
if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to
subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators
(or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that
separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK
with me.

- Paul Shorb

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:

> I support this proposal.
>
>
>
> June Matthews
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
> Sheffi
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
> *To:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk –
> permanently
>
>
>
> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I
> was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics
> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
>
>
>
> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to serve
> the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, Russia,
> Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics either.
> I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the owners and
> moderators of Lincoln Talk.
>
>
>
>1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. This
>would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts of
>the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
>2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus
>on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a
>presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or
>Ukraine or anywhere else.
>
>
>
> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
>
>
>
>1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly across
>all non-Lincoln political matters.
>
>
>2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ
>
> 
>and Rules & Policies
>
> .
>May I suggest the following amendments:
>
>
>
> *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?** In
> other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or
> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on
> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re
> inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how
> they’re handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best
> route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not
> Lincoln. *
>
>
>
> *Does my message avoid changing the subject?** When you reply to a
> message and you change the focus substantially, you may be going off topic.
> For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a
> national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on
> national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.*
>
>
>
> I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual
> and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest
> that we start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who wants to
> talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All
> event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with
> the LT moderators redirecting as necessary.
>
>
>
> I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with it,
> but I believe that moving our geopolitical event invitations and
> discussions to a new dedicated forum will help us restore the Lincoln Talk
> we all love.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
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[LincolnTalk] Excercise machine has been taken

[Zalen Stason]

Hi Lincoln,

The machine has been claimed, pending pickup.

Best,

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Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[RAandBOB]

There needs to be no discussion about whether Jews deserve the same rights as other human beings. There’s no debate there: they do. The state of Israel however is not a person, it’s a country. There are currently certain rules of engagement that people would like to see apply to all countries. Even the United States does not abide by all those rules, but people would like to see Israel (and the United States) abide by the rules that were developed by a consortium of the world’s nations.Ruth Ann(She, her, hers)On Jan 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight.A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline?ᐧOn Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:LT has been around for a while now.It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes contentious debate.The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from personal experience.It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of certain posts and/ or posters.It is the “delete” button.Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.You are not forced to read or participate.The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations, and would hate to see it change.Sent from my iPadOn Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion around them.On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:My votes:Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of the LT moderators.Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents, even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK with me.- Paul ShorbOn Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:







I support this proposal.
 
June Matthews
 

From: Lincoln 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Sheffi
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
To: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

 

When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially
 political issues that happen outside the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
 
I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to serve the residents of
Lincoln. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk.
 


A permanent ban on all discussion of geopolitical issues. This would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts of the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or Ukraine
 or anywhere else.
 
Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
 


The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly across all non-Lincoln political matters.


Updates to the Lincoln Talk 
FAQ and 
Rules & Policies. May I suggest the following amendments:
 

Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community? In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking
 for help from or providing information to your community, then your message is probably on topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how they’re handling some
 aspect of the state tax 

Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[Jonathan Sheffi]

Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight.

A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles
away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to
discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to
other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline?
ᐧ

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> LT has been around for a while now.
> It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its
> functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and
> otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes
> contentious debate.
> The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.
> They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”
> When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from
> personal experience.
>
> It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of
> certain posts and/ or posters.
> It is the “delete” button.
> Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.
> You are not forced to read or participate.
>
> The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing
> speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.
>
> I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations,
> and would hate to see it change.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>
> 
> I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political
> statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore
> they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion
> around them.
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:
>
>> My votes:
>> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of
>> the LT moderators.
>>
>> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to
>> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents,
>> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to
>> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators
>> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that
>> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK
>> with me.
>>
>> - Paul Shorb
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:
>>
>>> I support this proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> June Matthews
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
>>> Sheffi
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk 
>>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk –
>>> permanently
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I
>>> was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics
>>> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
>>> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
>>> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to
>>> serve the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran,
>>> Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics
>>> either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the
>>> owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. This
>>>would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts 
>>> of
>>>the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
>>>2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus
>>>on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a
>>>presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or
>>>Ukraine or anywhere else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly
>>>across all non-Lincoln political matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ
>>>
>>> 
>>>and Rules & Policies
>>>
>>> .
>>>May I suggest the following amendments:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?**
>>> In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or
>>> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on
>>> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re
>>> inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how
>>> they’re handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best
>>> rout

[LincolnTalk] Fwd: Fine dining Brookline

[Debra Daugherty]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Debra Daugherty 
Date: Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Fine dining Brookline
To: Cindy Sheriff 


I went to an event catered by La Mora and it was great!

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 10:44 AM Cindy Sheriff 
wrote:

>
> La Morra on Rte 9 near Washington St. is up-scale, low key, and excellent
> cuisine.
>
> Shh….dont let the word out,
>   Cindy
>
> On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:55 AM, dgloew--- via Lincoln 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Does anyone have a suggestion for  good “fine dining” restaurants in or
> near Brookline.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Davida
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
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[LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[Sara Mattes]

LT has been around for a while now.It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes contentious debate.The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from personal experience.It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of certain posts and/ or posters.It is the “delete” button.Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.You are not forced to read or participate.The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations, and would hate to see it change.Sent from my iPadOn Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion around them.On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:My votes:Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of the LT moderators.Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents, even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK with me.- Paul ShorbOn Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:







I support this proposal.
 
June Matthews
 

From: Lincoln 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Sheffi
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
To: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

 

When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially
 political issues that happen outside the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
 
I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to serve the residents of
Lincoln. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk.
 


A permanent ban on all discussion of geopolitical issues. This would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts of the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or Ukraine
 or anywhere else.
 
Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
 


The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly across all non-Lincoln political matters.


Updates to the Lincoln Talk 
FAQ and 
Rules & Policies. May I suggest the following amendments:
 

Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community? In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking
 for help from or providing information to your community, then your message is probably on topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how they’re handling some
 aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not Lincoln. 
 

Does my message avoid changing the subject? When you reply to a message and you change the focus substantially, you may
 be going off topic. For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.
 
I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest that we start a second mailing list
 from scratch, and everyone who wants to talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with the LT moderators redirecting as necessary.
 
I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with it, but I believe that moving our geo

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Needing to borrow a wheel chair

[Margaret Olson]

I have one. I won’t need until Easter. It came from the COA and at least
earlier in the fall they didn’t want anything back. So I still have it!

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 11:35 AM Christine Damon 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We need to borrow a wheel chair for a couple of weeks. Just checked at the
> council on Aging and they are all out right now.
>
> Thanks in advance for any leads! I can pick up!
>
> Chris Damon
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Need an affordable seamstress

[Annamaria San Antonio]

Here’s someone I’ve been using for years. 
She’s great, very reasonable, and a very sweet person. She doesn’t darn socks 
though which is something I’m looking for. If you know of anyone who does that, 
let me know.
John’s Tailor
129 Mount Auburn St.
Watertown
617-926-6962
You can give her my name if you like… She knows me as “Annamaria” 
Jai Kaur
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> On Dec 17, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Susan Mohn via Lincoln 
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> Does anyone know of a seamstress who is affordable for just simple hemming 
> projects?
> Thanks!
> 
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[LincolnTalk] FREE Shark bangles vacuum

[Mary Jo Haggerty]

Last chance to save this vacuum with extra new filters from the landfill 
tomorrow!  Suction is great but at times the roller doesn’t spin.

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[LincolnTalk] Fwd: FREE Shark bagless vacuum

[Mary Jo Haggerty]

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Subject: FREE Shark bangles vacuum


Last chance to save this vacuum with extra new filters from the landfill 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Need an affordable seamstress

[Annamaria San Antonio]

PS
Her name is “UGUR”.  
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> On Jan 3, 2025, at 8:50 AM, Annamaria San Antonio 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here’s someone I’ve been using for years.
> She’s great, very reasonable, and a very sweet person. She doesn’t darn socks 
> though which is something I’m looking for. If you know of anyone who does 
> that, let me know.
> John’s Tailor
> 129 Mount Auburn St.
> Watertown
> 617-926-6962
> You can give her my name if you like… She knows me as “Annamaria”
> Jai Kaur
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Susan Mohn via Lincoln 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a seamstress who is affordable for just simple hemming 
>> projects?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

[June L Matthews]

I support this proposal.

June Matthews

From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Jonathan Sheffi
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
To: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently


When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I was 
personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics belonged 
on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside the borders of 
the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and animal sightings 
and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.


I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to serve the 
residents of Lincoln. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, China, or 
Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics either. I therefore would like 
to make a specific policy proposal to the owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk.


  1.  A permanent ban on all discussion of geopolitical issues. This would 
apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts of the USA 
outside our 7,000 person town.
  2.  This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus on 
matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a 
presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or Ukraine or 
anywhere else.


Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:


  1.  The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly across all 
non-Lincoln political matters.

  1.  Updates to the Lincoln Talk 
FAQ
 and Rules & 
Policies.
 May I suggest the following amendments:


Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community? In other 
words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or providing 
information to your community, then your message is probably on topic even if 
the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re inviting people to a 
national political event, asking your neighbors how they’re handling some 
aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best route to Logan Airport, 
it's probably on topic even if the focus is not Lincoln.


Does my message avoid changing the subject? When you reply to a message and you 
change the focus substantially, you may be going off topic. For example, if a 
list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a national political event, 
and you reply with a message that focuses on national politics instead of 
neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.


I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual and 
in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest that we 
start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who wants to talk about 
politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All event 
invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with the LT 
moderators redirecting as necessary.


I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with it, but I 
believe that moving our geopolitical event invitations and discussions to a new 
dedicated forum will help us restore the Lincoln Talk we all love.

Jonathan
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Fine dining Brookline

[Cindy Sheriff]

La Morra on Rte 9 near Washington St. is up-scale, low key, and excellent cuisine.Shh….dont let the word out,  CindyOn Jan 3, 2025, at 9:55 AM, dgloew--- via Lincoln  wrote:
Does anyone have a suggestion for  good “fine dining” restaurants in or near Brookline.Thanks!DavidaSent from the all new AOL app for iOS
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Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[Cindy Sheriff]

Agree wholeheartedly!On Jan 3, 2025, at 10:00 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:LT has been around for a while now.It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes contentious debate.The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from personal experience.It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of certain posts and/ or posters.It is the “delete” button.Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.You are not forced to read or participate.The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations, and would hate to see it change.Sent from my iPadOn Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion around them.On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:My votes:Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of the LT moderators.Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents, even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK with me.- Paul ShorbOn Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:







I support this proposal.
 
June Matthews
 

From: Lincoln 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Sheffi
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
To: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – permanently

 

When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially
 political issues that happen outside the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.
 
I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to serve the residents of
Lincoln. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk.
 


A permanent ban on all discussion of geopolitical issues. This would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts of the USA outside our 7,000 person town.
This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or Ukraine
 or anywhere else.
 
Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell:
 


The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly across all non-Lincoln political matters.


Updates to the Lincoln Talk 
FAQ and 
Rules & Policies. May I suggest the following amendments:
 

Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community? In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking
 for help from or providing information to your community, then your message is probably on topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how they’re handling some
 aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not Lincoln. 
 

Does my message avoid changing the subject? When you reply to a message and you change the focus substantially, you may
 be going off topic. For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.
 
I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest that we start a second mailing list
 from scratch, and everyone who wants to talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with the LT moderators redirecting as necessary.
 
I realize this is a change, and not 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Exploring the Holy Land Problem with documentary films in Jan/Feb/Mar

[Paul Shorb]

Jonathan -
I wasn't trying to censor you; the LT moderators decide when to cut off a
one-on-one debate, not me. Rather, I was just letting you know if you
expect to be able to have a fully-fleshed out discussion on LT, I think you
will be disappointed, due to current moderation rules.

But since you asked me directly, I'll do you the courtesy of responding
here to the questions you posed: In my opinion, (1) yes, the Jewish people
deserve the same rights as other people; (2) yes, the Jewish people
should have the right of self-determination and the right to seek political
power, and (3) yes, the Jewish state have the right to advance its own
geopolitical interests, to defend its citizens, and to deter those who wish
its citizens harm.

However, the rights at #2 and #3 aren't unlimited, either for any
social/ethnic group or for any nation-state. For example, there are lots of
things that the leaders of the U.S. government could do in the belief that
those things would advance America's geopolitical interests, defend its
citizens, and/or deter those who wish its citizens harm --  things that
however would be violations of international law and widely-held moral
norms. (E.g., nuclear first strike, political assassinations, torture,
etc.; and yes, I know the U.S. already has been guilty of some of these and
more.) Similarly, Israel's right to defend itself doesn't mean there should
be no limits on how it conducts its war in Gaza with regard to
collateral(?) harm to civilians, for example.

So I'd pose two counter-questions to you: Do you agree that (1) there
should be limits (for example) on how Israel conducts its war in Gaza with
regard to harm to civilians and that (2) that is a valid topic for
discussion by us U.S. citizens, who are helping fund that activity?

If you would like to continue this discussion off of LT, I'd be glad to.

- Paul


On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 8:57 AM Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:

> No, sir. Lincolnites (including yourself, Mr Shorb) have used LT
> extensively and effectively to opine on whether Israel's war is just. Now
> that LT is discussing whether Jewish people deserve the same rights as
> other people, we won't be able to use LT to do it? We've already shown we
> can do it. As Ms Mattes has said, we're an educated and sophisticated group.
>
> I reiterate my invitation to Mr Shorb, Ms Mattes, the Lows, and others to
> engage on LT as robustly as you have done in the past: Do the Jewish people
> deserve the same rights as other people? Should the Jewish people have the
> right of self-determination and the right to seek political power? Does the
> Jewish state have the right to advance its own geopolitical interests, to
> defend its citizens, and to deter those who wish its citizens harm?
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 5:15 PM Paul Shorb  wrote:
>
>> Jonathan -
>> I think an interactive debate / discussion would be a wonderful
>> learning opportunity.  However, I'm not sure Lincoln Talk is a place where
>> that can be done effectively. (When I engaged in such a back-and-forth on
>> LT about the two speakers scheduled to appear at Bemis Hall recently, the
>> LT moderators cut us off after a few rounds, which is their prerogative.) I
>> wonder if a panel of speakers with different views could be organized, with
>> some sort of constructive format?  That would take a lot of work to set up,
>> I recognize, but I'd certainly be interested to attend.
>> - Paul Shorb
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 4:50 PM Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate your suggestion, and I get where you're coming from. But
>>> movies can't talk to each other. People can. Therefore, I respectfully
>>> decline to outsource the case for Jewish equality to any movie. I see much
>>> talk of a "discussion of the issues" at some point in the future, but there
>>> is no reason for us to wait. We're already talking about this, let's have
>>> that debate right now.
>>>
>>> The selection, promotion, and defense of GRALTA's content make it clear
>>> that those involved possess deeply-held views of the Jewish people—just as
>>> I do. *I therefore invite Mr. Low, Ms. Low, Ms. Mattes, and any
>>> Lincolnites who disagree with me to share their rebuttal publicly on
>>> Lincoln Talk*:
>>>
>>>- I've argued that the Jewish people have the right to
>>>self-determination in their ancestral homeland, equal to that of Sikhs,
>>>Kurds, Druze, Samaritans, Yazidis, Zoroastrians, and other ethnoreligious
>>>minorities.
>>>- I've argued that the Jewish people have the right to organize and
>>>seek political power in countries where they reside, equal to that of
>>>Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Arabs, LGBTQ+, and every other identifiable
>>>minority.
>>>- I've argued that the Jewish state has the right to advocate for
>>>its own geopolitical interests, equal to every other nation.
>>>- I've argued that the Jewish state has the right and responsibility
>>>not only to defend its citizens from harm, but a

[LincolnTalk] Where to buy succulents

[Kim Jalet]

Hi LT,

My daughter is interested in plants, so we bought her some cute succulent
pots for Christmas. Now we need to fill them.  We have cats so we want to
buy them somewhere where they will be clearly labeled so I can be sure not
to buy any on the list of toxic plants for cats, so I’m thinking a florist
might be the best bet. Anyone have a recommendation?

Thanks, Kim (Brooks Rd.)
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Re: [LincolnTalk] A reminder…and a shout out to the hosts

[Jonathan Sheffi]

I appreciate your email, and I wish that we had consensus on equal rights
for the Jewish people, but no, we are not there yet as a town.

The flyer for Mr Low's speaker last month called Zionism (the equal right
of Jews as an ethnoreligious minority to self-determine in their ancestral
homeland) "a modern expression of neocolonialism and fascism." In my
original synopses of the movies GRALTA is presenting, I made clear how all
these movies specifically *oppose* equal the Jewish right of
self-determination, the Jewish right to seek political power, the Jewish
right to self-defense, and so on.

That's why I've been persistent in opening up this topic, because I am
seeking consensus on Jewish equal rights, and we do not have it.
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On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:20 PM RAandBOB  wrote:

> There needs to be no discussion about whether Jews deserve the same rights
> as other human beings. There’s no debate there: they do.
>
> The state of Israel however is not a person, it’s a country. There are
> currently certain rules of engagement that people would like to see apply
> to all countries. Even the United States does not abide by all those rules,
> but people would like to see Israel (and the United States) abide by the
> rules that were developed by a consortium of the world’s nations.
>
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
>
> On Jan 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>
> 
> Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight.
>
> A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles
> away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to
> discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to
> other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline?
> ᐧ
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> LT has been around for a while now.
>> It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its
>> functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and
>> otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes
>> contentious debate.
>> The moderators have juggled competing demands  and pressures.
>> They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.”
>> When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from
>> personal experience.
>>
>> It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of
>> certain posts and/ or posters.
>> It is the “delete” button.
>> Scroll through and decide what to open, to read.
>> You are not forced to read or participate.
>>
>> The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing
>> speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out.
>>
>> I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations,
>> and would hate to see it change.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political
>> statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore
>> they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion
>> around them.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb  wrote:
>>
>>> My votes:
>>> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of
>>> the LT moderators.
>>>
>>> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to
>>> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents,
>>> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to
>>> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators
>>> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that
>>> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK
>>> with me.
>>>
>>> - Paul Shorb
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews  wrote:
>>>
 I support this proposal.



 June Matthews



 *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
 Sheffi
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM
 *To:* Lincoln Talk 
 *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk –
 permanently



 When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started,
 I was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics
 belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside
 the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and
 animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions.



 I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to
 serve the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran,
 Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics
 either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the
 owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk.



1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion