We don't need political discussions, we need help finding plumbers and electricians.
On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:48 PM Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> wrote: > I appreciate your email, and I wish that we had consensus on equal rights > for the Jewish people, but no, we are not there yet as a town. > > The flyer for Mr Low's speaker last month called Zionism (the equal right > of Jews as an ethnoreligious minority to self-determine in their ancestral > homeland) "a modern expression of neocolonialism and fascism." In my > original synopses of the movies GRALTA is presenting, I made clear how all > these movies specifically *oppose* equal the Jewish right of > self-determination, the Jewish right to seek political power, the Jewish > right to self-defense, and so on. > > That's why I've been persistent in opening up this topic, because I am > seeking consensus on Jewish equal rights, and we do not have it. > ᐧ > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:20 PM RAandBOB <raand...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> There needs to be no discussion about whether Jews deserve the same >> rights as other human beings. There’s no debate there: they do. >> >> The state of Israel however is not a person, it’s a country. There are >> currently certain rules of engagement that people would like to see apply >> to all countries. Even the United States does not abide by all those rules, >> but people would like to see Israel (and the United States) abide by the >> rules that were developed by a consortium of the world’s nations. >> >> Ruth Ann >> (She, her, hers) >> >> On Jan 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight. >> >> A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles >> away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to >> discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to >> other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline? >> ᐧ >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> LT has been around for a while now. >>> It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its >>> functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and >>> otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes >>> contentious debate. >>> The moderators have juggled competing demands and pressures. >>> They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.” >>> When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from >>> personal experience. >>> >>> It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of >>> certain posts and/ or posters. >>> It is the “delete” button. >>> Scroll through and decide what to open, to read. >>> You are not forced to read or participate. >>> >>> The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free >>> flowing speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out. >>> >>> I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations, >>> and would hate to see it change. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political >>> statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore >>> they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion >>> around them. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb <paul.sh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> My votes: >>>> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of >>>> the LT moderators. >>>> >>>> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to >>>> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents, >>>> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to >>>> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators >>>> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that >>>> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK >>>> with me. >>>> >>>> - Paul Shorb >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews <matth...@mit.edu> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I support this proposal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> June Matthews >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Lincoln <lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org> *On Behalf Of *Jonathan >>>>> Sheffi >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM >>>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >>>>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – >>>>> permanently >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, >>>>> I was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that >>>>> politics >>>>> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside >>>>> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and >>>>> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to >>>>> serve the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, >>>>> Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics >>>>> either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the >>>>> owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. >>>>> This would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the >>>>> parts of the USA outside our 7,000 person town. >>>>> 2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they >>>>> focus on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize >>>>> for >>>>> a presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or >>>>> Ukraine or anywhere else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly >>>>> across all non-Lincoln political matters. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ >>>>> >>>>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CQnB7pxOjvIKmH9_lATsVewz/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lincolntalk.org%2Ffaq> >>>>> and Rules & Policies >>>>> >>>>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CQnB7pxNDef5uqkdvQ809zEB/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lincolntalk.org%2Frules-and-policies>. >>>>> May I suggest the following amendments: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?** >>>>> In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or >>>>> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on >>>>> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re >>>>> inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how >>>>> they’re handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the >>>>> best >>>>> route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not >>>>> Lincoln. * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Does my message avoid changing the subject?** When you reply to a >>>>> message and you change the focus substantially, you may be going off >>>>> topic. >>>>> For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a >>>>> national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on >>>>> national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for >>>>> virtual and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I >>>>> suggest that we start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who >>>>> wants to talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics >>>>> perhaps. All event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go >>>>> there, with the LT moderators redirecting as necessary. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with >>>>> it, but I believe that moving our geopolitical event invitations and >>>>> discussions to a new dedicated forum will help us restore the Lincoln Talk >>>>> we all love. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> >>>>> <~WRD0000.jpg> >>>>> ᐧ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
-- The LincolnTalk mailing list. To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.
