Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight. A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline? ᐧ
On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> wrote: > LT has been around for a while now. > It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its > functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and > otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes > contentious debate. > The moderators have juggled competing demands and pressures. > They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.” > When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from > personal experience. > > It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of > certain posts and/ or posters. > It is the “delete” button. > Scroll through and decide what to open, to read. > You are not forced to read or participate. > > The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing > speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out. > > I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations, > and would hate to see it change. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political > statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore > they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion > around them. > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb <paul.sh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> My votes: >> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of >> the LT moderators. >> >> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to >> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents, >> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to >> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators >> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that >> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK >> with me. >> >> - Paul Shorb >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews <matth...@mit.edu> wrote: >> >>> I support this proposal. >>> >>> >>> >>> June Matthews >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Lincoln <lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org> *On Behalf Of *Jonathan >>> Sheffi >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM >>> *To:* Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – >>> permanently >>> >>> >>> >>> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, I >>> was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics >>> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside >>> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and >>> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to >>> serve the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, >>> Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics >>> either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the >>> owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. This >>> would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the parts >>> of >>> the USA outside our 7,000 person town. >>> 2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they focus >>> on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize for a >>> presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or >>> Ukraine or anywhere else. >>> >>> >>> >>> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly >>> across all non-Lincoln political matters. >>> >>> >>> 2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ >>> >>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CQnB7pxOjvIKmH9_lATsVewz/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lincolntalk.org%2Ffaq> >>> and Rules & Policies >>> >>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CQnB7pxNDef5uqkdvQ809zEB/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lincolntalk.org%2Frules-and-policies>. >>> May I suggest the following amendments: >>> >>> >>> >>> *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?** >>> In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or >>> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on >>> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re >>> inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how >>> they’re handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best >>> route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not >>> Lincoln. * >>> >>> >>> >>> *Does my message avoid changing the subject?** When you reply to a >>> message and you change the focus substantially, you may be going off topic. >>> For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a >>> national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on >>> national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.* >>> >>> >>> >>> I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual >>> and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest >>> that we start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who wants to >>> talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All >>> event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with >>> the LT moderators redirecting as necessary. >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with it, >>> but I believe that moving our geopolitical event invitations and >>> discussions to a new dedicated forum will help us restore the Lincoln Talk >>> we all love. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> [image: ~WRD0000.jpg]ᐧ >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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