I appreciate your email, and I wish that we had consensus on equal rights for the Jewish people, but no, we are not there yet as a town.
The flyer for Mr Low's speaker last month called Zionism (the equal right of Jews as an ethnoreligious minority to self-determine in their ancestral homeland) "a modern expression of neocolonialism and fascism." In my original synopses of the movies GRALTA is presenting, I made clear how all these movies specifically *oppose* equal the Jewish right of self-determination, the Jewish right to seek political power, the Jewish right to self-defense, and so on. That's why I've been persistent in opening up this topic, because I am seeking consensus on Jewish equal rights, and we do not have it. ᐧ On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 1:20 PM RAandBOB <raand...@earthlink.net> wrote: > There needs to be no discussion about whether Jews deserve the same rights > as other human beings. There’s no debate there: they do. > > The state of Israel however is not a person, it’s a country. There are > currently certain rules of engagement that people would like to see apply > to all countries. Even the United States does not abide by all those rules, > but people would like to see Israel (and the United States) abide by the > rules that were developed by a consortium of the world’s nations. > > Ruth Ann > (She, her, hers) > > On Jan 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hang on a minute. Let me make sure I've got this straight. > > A free flowing discussion of geopolitical matters happening 7,000 miles > away belongs on Lincoln Talk because anything goes, but when it comes to > discussing whether Jews (in Lincoln and elsewhere) deserve equal rights to > other human beings, we suddenly need to take it offline? > ᐧ > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:00 AM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> LT has been around for a while now. >> It has survived and thrived and served our community well, in all its >> functions- sales, free stuff, announcements or events( political and >> otherwise) here and around us, appeals for causes, and yes, sometimes >> contentious debate. >> The moderators have juggled competing demands and pressures. >> They have blocked certain posts and posters for a “ time out.” >> When your opinion is blocked, you are not happy- trust me, I know from >> personal experience. >> >> It is easy for a subscriber ( you are here voluntarily) to opt out of >> certain posts and/ or posters. >> It is the “delete” button. >> Scroll through and decide what to open, to read. >> You are not forced to read or participate. >> >> The Moderators, in my observation, have erred on the side of free flowing >> speech, and let readers take responsibility for opting in or out. >> >> I for one, am glad to have this community forum, in all its iterations, >> and would hate to see it change. >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:28 AM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I disagree. Political event invites inherently contain political >> statements (that's how we got into this mess to begin with!). Therefore >> they need to go to the new political channel along with the discussion >> around them. >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, 08:33 Paul Shorb <paul.sh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> My votes: >>> Some version of suggestion #1 could be OK; I defer to the judgment of >>> the LT moderators. >>> >>> Suggestion #2 seems unnecessary. LT seems like a reasonable place to >>> simply post notices of upcoming events that are aimed at Lincoln residents, >>> even if they concern topics outside of Lincoln, and I'd rather not have to >>> subscribe to and monitor a separate thing. However, if the LT moderators >>> (or someone else) is willing to go to the trouble of setting up that >>> separate thing and explaining and enforcing what goes in which channel, OK >>> with me. >>> >>> - Paul Shorb >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:00 AM June L Matthews <matth...@mit.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> I support this proposal. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> June Matthews >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Lincoln <lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org> *On Behalf Of *Jonathan >>>> Sheffi >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 10:34 PM >>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >>>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Moving geopolitics off of Lincoln Talk – >>>> permanently >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When discussions about Israel and the rights of Jewish people started, >>>> I was personally quite reluctant to engage. I did not believe that politics >>>> belonged on Lincoln Talk, especially political issues that happen outside >>>> the borders of the town of Lincoln. I miss the emails about bake sales and >>>> animal sightings and used couches. Heck, I even miss the HCA discussions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would like us to bring this list back to its original purpose: to >>>> serve the residents of *Lincoln*. Not Israel, Gaza, Syria, Iran, >>>> Russia, Ukraine, China, or Taiwan. In my personal opinion, not US politics >>>> either. I therefore would like to make a specific policy proposal to the >>>> owners and moderators of Lincoln Talk. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. A permanent ban on *all* discussion of geopolitical issues. This >>>> would apply equally to the rest of the world, and perhaps even the >>>> parts of >>>> the USA outside our 7,000 person town. >>>> 2. This would include invitations to events in Lincoln if they >>>> focus on matters outside of the town. Ergo, no invitations to organize >>>> for >>>> a presidential candidate, no invitations to discuss the Middle East or >>>> Ukraine or anywhere else. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Implementation of this policy requires two things as far as I can tell: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. The consent of the moderators to enforce this ban uniformly >>>> across all non-Lincoln political matters. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. Updates to the Lincoln Talk FAQ >>>> >>>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CQnB7pxOjvIKmH9_lATsVewz/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lincolntalk.org%2Ffaq> >>>> and Rules & Policies >>>> >>>> <https://5a55e4ca.streaklinks.com/CQnB7pxNDef5uqkdvQ809zEB/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lincolntalk.org%2Frules-and-policies>. >>>> May I suggest the following amendments: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Is my message an attempt to draw on the resources of my community?** >>>> In other words, if you live in Lincoln and you’re asking for help from or >>>> providing information to your community, then your message is probably on >>>> topic even if the focus isn't on Lincoln itself. For example, if you’re >>>> inviting people to a national political event, asking your neighbors how >>>> they’re handling some aspect of the state tax form, or looking for the best >>>> route to Logan Airport, it's probably on topic even if the focus is not >>>> Lincoln. * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Does my message avoid changing the subject?** When you reply to a >>>> message and you change the focus substantially, you may be going off topic. >>>> For example, if a list member posts a message inviting neighbors to a >>>> national political event, and you reply with a message that focuses on >>>> national politics instead of neighbors, you may not be staying on topic.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I recognize that for some people, there is a genuine desire for virtual >>>> and in-person discussions about national and global politics. I suggest >>>> that we start a second mailing list from scratch, and everyone who wants to >>>> talk about politics opts into it. Call it lincoln-geopolitics perhaps. All >>>> event invitations and discussions of non-Lincoln politics go there, with >>>> the LT moderators redirecting as necessary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I realize this is a change, and not everyone may be comfortable with >>>> it, but I believe that moving our geopolitical event invitations and >>>> discussions to a new dedicated forum will help us restore the Lincoln Talk >>>> we all love. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> <~WRD0000.jpg> >>>> ᐧ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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