Re: [Debconf-team] About sponsoring deadline
also sprach Otavio Salvador [2009.04.25.2152 +0200]: > Yestarday I went to IRC channel and asked for the deadline; I've been > informated that it was 15th of April. I lose it and I'd like the know > how is being decided by the team about exceptions on the deadline. I would support an extension in your case. Otavio, assuming you've not done so already, sign up and specify all the data, then it's easier to just make a decision by flipping a bit. :) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org seminars, n.: from "semi" and "arse", hence, any half-assed discussion. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] About sponsoring deadline
also sprach W. Martin Borgert [2009.04.26.0128 +0200]: > > I would support an extension in your case. > > But not for me? I was already asleep when your mail arrived. Anyway, I am not the one to decide the deadline extension. But then again, who'd be ballroom dancing if you couldn't go? :) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org when everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Minutes from 2009 April 27 Meeting
> Quoting Gunnar Wolf (gw...@gwolf.org): > > > Also, regarding the buses: I understand the people at the Junta are > > offering the bus service as a "we're truly sorry" sign for not keeping > > the promised venue... But I'm sure there can be a better arrangement > > than having buses going back and forth with one or two hackers > > sitting... Sorry for the second-level quote... At the very least, these busses should be electrical! :) Anyway, I agree, having them run regularly is a waste. Instead, I suggest having 3-4 periods per day, during which 3-4 busses will run ATM-style: e.g. between 8-9, 12-13, 17-18, and 22:30-23:30, busses leave when they are full or after 10 minutes, drop off people, take people according to the same scheme. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org "the human brain is like an enormous fish -- it is flat and slimy and has gills through which it can see." -- monty python digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] what about the swine flu ??
also sprach Sebastian Montini [2009.04.29.1613 +0200]: > today i was updating info in penta (flight numbers,etc) and > a friend ask me about that how serious is the situation > regarding swine flu in .es ?? about as serious as sars and the bird flu threatened to destroy the world. use judgement. check the WHO threat level and stay home if it goes above 5. otherwise i'd say it's better not to feed the energy beast. http://jtc.blogs.com/just_left/2009/04/slops.html if you make all your travel arrangements with insurance, any travel insurance will have to reimburse you if you cannot embark on the journey due to a pandemic concern echoed by the WHO. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org hi! i'm a .signature virus! copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] what about the swine flu ??
also sprach martin f krafft [2009.04.29.1618 +0200]: > check the WHO threat level and stay home if it goes above 5. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2009/h1n1_20090427/en/index.html -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org "everyone has a little secret he keeps, i like the fires when the city sleeps." -- mc 900 ft jesus digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] penta admins: please add tuxbrain link
Who's in charge of penta these days? Could you *please* see to finishing #937? https://rt.debconf.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=937 The reason why we need this link is because the tuxbrain people insisted on having a referrer check as minimal measure to avoid being swamped with unauthorised requests. Please add this ASAP. It's been 6+ weeks! Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org if you find a spelling mistake in the above, you get to keep it. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] penta admins: please add tuxbrain link
also sprach Joerg Jaspert [2009.05.03.2256 +0200]: > Done. > It is shown to all people who have a login to pentabarf when they go > into the submission interface. Excellent, thanks Joerg, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org "vulgarity is simply the conduct of other people." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Event Query - DebConf 2009 in Các eres in July
also sprach Stephanie Gibson [2009.05.04.1617 +0200]: > May I send you more information about this program (or if > preferred we can schedule a phone call at a convenient time)? Yes please, this would be great. If you have electronic material, please send it to the same address. If the material is only on paper, then I suggest you and I chat on the phone so I can figure out where best to send the documentation. You can reach me at +41.76.4717846, but please be aware that I am -10 hours from Sydney, so bet to call in the very early morning, or in the late afternoon. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org a: no. q: should i include quotations after my reply? digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Informazioni su Debconf
also sprach Michele Renda [2009.05.16.2255 +0200]: > First of all, I would like to know if it is open only to Debian > developers, or if it is open to all. It's open to everyone, so it would be great to see you there! > I would like to know how much is the "partecipation fee" for > a private user (2 person, I and my girlfriend). We do not charge a participation fee. However, we can always use more money, for instance to fund more developers' travel expenses, or improve the conference altogether. So if you want to or could contribute, please consider it. Cheers, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org the unix philosophy basically involves giving you enough rope to hang yourself. and then some more, just to be sure. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debian openday / debconf press release?
also sprach Ana Guerrero [2009.06.19.0319 +0200]: > Is there any plans to send any press release about debconf coming > soon? [...] > If not, somebody could point me to what was done last year for the > argetinian community? I didn't have any plans, but I am also very swamped, at least until 3 July when I think I will drop dead and sleep for four days straight. But I could prepare a press release in between, most likely on Friday though. If you want to have it done earlier, last year's pre-text is in svn under debconf-data/data/dc8/press/2008.08.06:PR_Debconf8.txt Thanks for the reminder! -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org who's general failure, and why's he reading my disk? digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] sending stuff to cáceres
Hey folks, I may need to have some stuff sent to Cáceres. It is not impossible that there will be import duties to be paid. Is there a local address where I could send the stuff, and reimburse any such duties either as soon as possible by bank transfer, or paypal, or with cash at DebConf9? Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org "eine schlechte sache erregt, eine gute verträgt viel kritik." -- charles tschopp digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Names for events (was: Re: Open Day talks)
also sprach Richard Darst [2009.06.29.1824 +0200]: > There is also the very simple "Track One" and "Track Two" which also > indicates they are basically the same. Similar is "primary" and > "secondary". A "Social Track", for non-academic events, might help to > clear things up, too. "Secondary" sends a clear message. An alternative might be e.g. "blue" and "green" (or "yellow" and "red" or whatever), or if possible, the division between e.g. "technical" and "social". -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org man muss noch chaos in sich haben um einen tanzenden stern zu gebähren. -- friedrich nietzsche digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Names for events (was: Re: Open Day talks)
also sprach Richard Darst [2009.06.30.0912 +0200]: > - Featured DebConf Talks > - Secondary DebConf Talks Why do we separate between them? Doesn't this suggest a level of "inferiority" of secondary talks? What's the benefit, other than sponsorship? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org "i always choose my friends for their good looks and my enemies for their good intellects. man cannot be too careful in his choice of enemies." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debian openday / debconf press release?
also sprach Ana Guerrero [2009.06.19.0319 +0200]: > Is there any plans to send any press release about debconf coming soon? > I am mostly interested because I think it is a good idea to translate and > adapt it to spanish, send it to d-news-spanish inviting to the spanish > community to come to the debian openday or whatever is called now. > Then send it to the main spanish floss news sites so it gets publicited and > then maybe we'll get somebody coming :P > > If not, somebody could point me to what was done last year for the argetinian > community? Has anything come of this? I am totally swamped and cannot keep track. Please let me know if you expect me to write a short blurb for you. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org a farmer is a man outstanding in his field. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debian openday / debconf press release?
also sprach Holger Levsen [2009.07.06.1611 +0200]: > http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Teams lists no one under press, so we > somewhat expected you to write it ;-) And out of my head I dont know anybody > else who offered to act as press person... Ana said she was working on it. I just haven't followed up on it and don't know if she sent anything or not. So you need a short announcement that DebConf is about to happen, right? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org gentoo: the performance placebo. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debian openday / debconf press release?
also sprach Holger Levsen [2009.07.06.1633 +0200]: > yes. I suggest to release it on the 2nd or 3rd day of DebCamp, mention > DebCamp > briefly, mention OpenDay more prominently and focus on DebConf... > > Maybe we should write it together using whiteboard.d.n? If you want to. Writing it alone wouldn't take me more than 5-10 minutes though, so I can do it. Right now, we have 16 address to which to send this release: pentabarf=> select e-mail from debconf.dc_press where country = 'Spain'; informativos.caceres<@t>cadenacope.net informativos.caceres<@t>cadenaser.com redaccion.hoy<@t>hoy.es emisora.cc.rne<@t>rtve.es epextremadura<@t>elperiodico.com webmaster<@t>caceresjoven.com informativos<@t>canalextremadura.info redaccion<@t>vianorbatv.com andresmcampos<@t>terra.es C30<@t>araitmultimedia.es extremadura<@t>europapress.es merida<@t>efe.es regiondigital<@t>regiondigital.com redaccionextremaduraaldia<@t>ikeyacomunicacion.com extremaduranoticias<@t>canalextremadura.info caceres.rtv<@t>rtve.es Are there others? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org "men who say it cannot be done should not interrupt men doing it." -- old chinese proverb digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debian openday / debconf press release?
also sprach Alexander Reichle-Schmehl [2009.07.06.1801 +0200]: > Sorry, can't do that. For those I have I don't have the permission to > spread them. Well, that's one negative aspect of why DebConf has to have its own press team. > But I can offer you to proxy what you got and forward your announcement to > our announcement list. Thanks, pr...@debian.org is always on the distribution list, so I hope that stuff gets sent on anyway. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org above all, we should not wish to divest our existence of its rich ambiguity. --friedrich nietzsche digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debian openday / debconf press release?
also sprach martin f krafft [2009.07.06.1335 +0200]: > Has anything come of this? I am totally swamped and cannot keep > track. Please let me know if you expect me to write a short blurb > for you. I checked in a first draft to svn:data/dc9/press/2009.07.20-PR_Debconf9.txt. It has some figures that need checking and it would be nice if 1-2 quotes were added to it. Maybe someone at DebConf can see this through and get back to me when done? Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- albert einstein digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Washing hands posters
Tiago offered to print-and-spread announcements, but now I cannot find him. In the light of the piggy flu (see announcement), maybe we could print http://www.who.int/entity/gpsc/5may/How_To_HandWash_Poster.pdf a few times and hang it up in the bathrooms? Would someone please volunteer for this? Cheers, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf9: 24-30 Jul 2009, Extremadura, ES: http://debconf9.debconf.org "every day is long. 86400 doesn't fit in a short." digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC10 date options
also sprach Jimmy Kaplowitz [2009.10.14.1823 +0200]: > - all lodging in one building I like. > Cons: - we might not be able to get sufficient lodging to use this option > due to possible renovations; would know for sure at an unknown time > in november > - some lodging slightly further away than in option b) but still > manageable How far? > - doesn't coincide with European vacations How many of us are affected by school vacations? > - lodging doesn't have air conditioning That's good for the environment! > Thoughts? My vote is b), though both have compelling aspects to them. My vote is a). -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf10: New York, USA: http://debconf10.debconf.org beauty, brains, availability, personality; pick any two. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Session chairs proposal: more concrete plan
also sprach Christian PERRIER [2010.02.07.1949 +1300]: > From my experience, the only problem I see with your proposed > schedule is the "morning event" slot. It was done for DC8 and, to > my experience, it was considered to be a good ideabut too > early. > > People were actually having quite hard times being on time at > 09:00. I had one of these keynotes and I clearly remember starting > with about 15-20 people in the room and completing the keynote > with about 50..:-) Well, we have two options: - move the schedule back, which makes things like lunch and dinner hard, or requires us to shorten the days. or, my preferred option: - make it enticing for people to be there early. This includes establishing a culture where people want to be there early, providing incentives, such as giveaways, and having excellent keynotes (not saying that this wasn't the case with yours). Thoughts? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf10: New York, USA: http://debconf10.debconf.org die wahrheit ist selten auf seiten der wahrscheinlichkeit. -- heinrich v. kleist digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Producing debian.ch T-Shirts for DebConf10 directly in USA
also sprach Luca Capello [2010.06.02.1532 +0200]: > Would it be possible to produce some T-Shirts (probably only the > anarchism model) directly in the USA? I guess debian.ch could pay for > that without any problem, but Martin, please correct me if I am wrong. We can do. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf10: New York, USA: http://debconf10.debconf.org "gott ist tot! und wir haben ihn getötet." - friedrich nietzsche digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] press (was: debconf10 is _11th_ debian conference)
also sprach Brian Gupta [2010.09.09.0703 +0200]: > > Alexander, who still wonders, why everything press related is > > always a PITA, when debconf is involved > > I can't speak for always, but I can say that for almost the year > leading up to approximately one or two weeks prior to DebConf, > unbeknownst to most, including myself, there was no active DebConf > press team lead. While there are certainly lessons to be learned > here, this situation has, at least for now, been addressed. I am pretty sure I had communicated my inavailability rather early in the process. Do I need to look through my mailboxes to produce proof? Fact is that there's been an SSH account on one of my machines for several press people since October 2009, because SQL access to debconf.org is IP-based, and it was easier to give other people access that way. And Alexander: I am sorry that it's been a PITA for you to deal with me (did you ever?), but consider that I picked up the pieces of DebConf press at a time, when Debian didn't even have a press team and dealing with Joey was consistently a massive PITA too. That said, I am quite aware that I was never a good team lead, never documented the processes. I also never wanted to do that job[0]. I have never understood why DebConf needed its own press team. I always considered it synergetically better if the Debian press team offered their experience, contacts, and resources for the task. Maybe now is the time that we can finally fuse the two efforts. Although I cannot reliably allocate time to Debian yet (not quite yet), due to my real life, I'll do whatever I can or whatever is required of me to make that happen. 0. Between the years of 2000 and 2006, I was very active in the .de/.ch market and had many contacts all over Europe. I offered multiple times to help out and join the press team, but Joey never bothered to react. Since 2006, I've lost most of my contacts and my enthusiasm for doing press work. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems in africa some of the native tribes have a custom of beating the ground with clubs and uttering spine chilling cries. anthropologists call this a form of primitive self-expression. in america they call it golf. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] press
also sprach Alexander Reichle-Schmehl [2010.09.09.1053 +0200]: > I thought I already explained that: As long as there's no one > from Debian's press team also member of the DebConf orga team (and > as we are quite busy, I don't that will change for the foreseeable > future), How about you seek someone to do precisely this job? Debian press team member who is responsible for DebConf (and other such conferences). As a bonus, there could be a small budget each year to send this person to the events. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team; press officer `. `'` `- DebConf10: New York, USA: http://debconf10.debconf.org russian roulette on the shell: ((RANDOM % 6)) || rm -rf ~ digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] HP laptop giveaway
also sprach Gunnar Wolf [2011.07.25.1627 +0200]: > Yes. We are giving away a HP Mini 2102 laptop. Why? HP gave it to > DebConf during DebConf10, … We could use gifts like this in the future as give-aways during morning sessions à la LCA, as an incentive for people to show up so that the organisers can spread important information. If there is general interest, then I would like to revive this idea for the next year. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf11: Banja Luka, Bosnia: http://debconf11.debconf.org "wenn elephanten tanzen leidet das gras." -- die vogelpredigt digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf13-ch] dc13 venue announcement? (was: [Publicity-commits] r3231 - /dpn/en/current/index.wml)
also sprach Francesca Ciceri [2012.02.27.2207 +0100]: > "19:11:16 Switzerland is known for the natural > environment and this was our main goal: a DebConf "inside" the > nature" This sounds like we'll be dancing naked around bond fires. ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf12: Managua, Nicaragua: http://debconf11.debconf.org "here i was all convinced that if i sleep all day, bug counts go down, and if I work all day, they go up, so much for that theory." -- lars wirzenius digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Logo-Deadline
Hey folks, some of the sponsorship levels bring the benefit of having a logo presented prominently. When is the final deadline that this logo must be (decided upon and) submitted for the conference? Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf13: Vaumarcus, Switzerland: http://debconf13.debconf.org "the liar at any rate recognises that recreation, not instruction, is the aim of conversation, and is a far more civilised being than the blockhead who loudly expresses his disbelief in a story which is told simply for the amusement of the company." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Problem with ICS calendar data from Penta
Hey folks, If you subscribe iceowl/lightning to the schedule ICS file generated by penta, the times are very whack. The reason for that is (I think) that the events are listed with TZID=CET. If I change that to Europe/Zurich, it works. I don't know whether CET is a valid TZID, but maybe this can be trivially changed and fixed by using Europe/Zurich. Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems "a mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- paul erdös digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] White board pens and sheets
Due to popular request, I placed whiteboards into the bar and the BoF room 1. Do we have pens and extra sheets for it? If not, then — unless there is a shopping trip — I can try to handle this in Neuchâtel tomorrow afternoon. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf13: Vaumarcus, Switzerland: http://debconf13.debconf.org "my experience is that as soon as people are old enough to know better, they don't know anything at all." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Cups left over
I regularly organise bigger events for people and if there are any DC13 cups left over that noone else wants, I will arrange to get them into my posession. But this should really only be the measure of last recourse, so if you have a better use, that's fine. It was a great conference! -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf13: Vaumarcus, Switzerland: http://debconf13.debconf.org "i worked myself up from nothing to a state of extreme poverty." -- groucho marx digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC14: parallel activities for families with kids
also sprach Hector Oron [2013.08.19.1732 +0200]: > This was not a reality during DC13 because venue restrictions, it > was not easy to accomodate Debian fellows, and having family > around was making it harder. We had a few families, and I think it would have been fine for others if we had prepared more in advance. Therefore: thanks for your initiative! also sprach Daniel Kahn Gillmor [2013.08.19.1923 +0200]: > To any debian parents who would like to bring their kid(s) but > aren't sure if that will work out: what kind of support would be > most useful to you and your kids? I think what you need is a closed area with toys and maybe an adult for every 5 kids to watch over them. There ought to be at least one person with professional background who knows what to do in case something unexpected happens, but much can be done with volunteers from DebConf, and I'd volunteer a bit. I love kids. ;) The one thing I'd like to see is not to get into insurance/liability hell. With that I mean that we shouldn't prepare ourselves, but that we should make sure that parents who leave their kids with us must know that there won't be any liability for anything but stupidity or carelessness. If they don't like that, let them keep their kids. I know that I don't want to submit our Veronika to a shelter with airbags on all sides, but rather have her learn from any interaction and mistakes she makes. also sprach Steve Langasek [2013.08.20.0227 +0200]: > For the sponsored accomodations, rooms come in two configurations: > - two-person rooms > - two-bedroom suites with two beds each > > Unless a family has exactly two children, staying in the dorms > won't make good use of the space. There is also a noise issue to consider, i.e. if people are expected to play cards or talk in the dorms, then we wouldn't want kids to be woken up. So either dorms are for "dorming", in which case a two-person room works fine for a family with a newborn and up to 2–3 years, assuming we can get our hands on appropriate beds (or mattresses), and the four-bed suites would work fine for families of 4 and 5. > We can make sure to look into this question closer to the time. > In any case, there are lots of food options around in the city as > well, so if for some reason we can't accomodate kids in the > cafeteria there will be no shortage of other options. I'd just not raise an expectation that kids are catered for. Veronika eats everything we eat, but some parents are very picky. Those should not be discouraged from taking care organising something themselves. Giving the impression that we'll cater for them is not going to work, and I don't think we even want to consider it. We already have enough of a challenge with all the flavours of the adults… > WRT extra fees, the idea that seems to be preferred by many who've > been discussing this so far is to self-organize, with parents > sharing childcare duties in a rotation. IMHO that seems a lot > simpler than trying to hire licensed child care professionals, not > to mention cheaper, while still making it possible for most of the > parents to participate in the conference most of the time. My words. However, I think it would be good to have one person on permanent duty. That does not have to be a professional. Over here, such a role is often fulfilled by elderly women for their experience, who can easily handle up to five kids themselves. Maybe that's an option. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org Escape Meta Alt Control Shift digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Framework for taking measures in case of severely unsuitable behaviour during DebConf
also sprach Lucas Nussbaum [2013.08.21.1120 +0200]: > To clarify: I'm not advocating a very long CoC for DebConf, but > something that clearly states that the DebConf orga team can > decide to expulse someone from the conference could unfortunately > prove useful. Compared to LCA, we are a much tighter knit group at DebConf. I don't think we need a document granting us any power to expell someone. We've done it in the past, without any CoC or T&C backing us (Mexico…). Otoh, you are advocating purely a clarification that we do have the power to expell participants. That can obviously be done. I just don't know if it's necessary or worth it. Cheers, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "when a gentoo admin tells me that the KISS principle is good for 'busy sysadmins', and that it's not an evolutionary step backwards, i wonder whether their tape is already running backwards." digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC14: parallel activities for families with kids
also sprach Hector Oron [2013.08.22.0459 +0200]: > I would like to propose an alternative planning parallel to DebConf. > For example, if you look at FOSDEM conference they have offerings like > sightseeing to the spouses/partners of FOSDEM visitors. > < https://archive.fosdem.org/2013/practical/sightseeing/ > DebConf is a very diverse conference, especially if you include the hallway track. Please don't send spouses/children away for an "alternative programme". If the kids are taken care of, spouses will engage, and this is what we want. Take Penny and I: she'll want to go to talks and she knows many people. This leaves me to take care of Veronika, meaning that only one of us can really only participate in the conference at a time. If V was playing under supervision, we could both participate and contribute. also sprach Giacomo Catenazzi [2013.08.22.1007 +0200]: > - Families requests and information happen at busy organizing time, > when organizers have few time, so families need pass to second level. Unless we recognise that we have more and more families attending and we purposely keep it at first level to make them all feel welcome. > For these reasons, I think that families issues should be handled > by a special team (outside core team), who should have more time > and resources (also during DebConf) than core team. Please don't advocate a two-class approach to this. I am not saying this because I have family myself, but because we don't want the organisers to split into competing groups (again). also sprach Hector Oron [2013.08.22.1540 +0200]: > We need DebConf local team to help out to find accomodation places > for families, families should probably have to find out the costs > themselves and do any required booking before-hand. The same > applies for food and travelling. I agree that families should be expected to cater for themselves. I think that we should focus *only* on providing a way for parents to leave their children under supervision to be able to participate. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "nicht durch zorn, sondern durch lachen tötet man." - friedrich nietzsche digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Pictures - License
also sprach Didier 'OdyX' Raboud [2013.08.21.2140 +0200]: > thanks for your pictures, for which I couldn't find a link > unfortunately; was this hidden in madduck's mailbox maybe? I believe he sent them as attachments to the list. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "when a gentoo admin tells me that the KISS principle is good for 'busy sysadmins', and that it's not an evolutionary step backwards, i wonder whether their tape is already running backwards." digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] [wiki] No arithmetic for logged in users
Hello, I thought this had long ago been discussed and decided, but I could not find it in the archives. For many years, the DC wiki requires me to perform arithmetic when I add/change external links on a page. I can clearly see the motivation behind this. However, we now require reconfirmed e-mail addresses for accounts on the wiki, which should rule out a lot of wiki spammers. Wouldn't it make sense to spare logged users from the arithmetics? It's great that wiki.dc.org keeps our brains young, but too often one simply doesn't notice and loses changes. Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "der glaube an den kausalnexus ist der aberglaube" -- wittgenstein digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] [wiki] relative links
According to
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Link#Relative_links, a link like
[[/Subpage]] on [[Some/Page]] should point to [[Some/Page/Subpage]],
i.e. a leading slash makes a link relative (some people should be
shot for this…).
Unfortunately, this does not work on wiki.dc.org, as can be seen at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany, "Notes
& brainstorming", first link ("City or country-side?").
Could this feature please be enabled? Otherwise it's a royal PITA to
move pages with subpages, and a lot of duplication is required too.
Thanks,
--
.''`. martin f. krafft
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Re: [Debconf-team] DC14: parallel activities for families with kids
also sprach Gaudenz Steinlin [2013.08.23.1738 +0200]: > IMO we should offer a solution that we think will work for most > and that actually someone wants to implement. After that families > can decide if they like it or not. We could also look at other conferences, such as LCA or PyCon, both of which offer day-time child-care. That's all I'm advocating for now, and there are fairly few "variables" to be considered in that, i.e. most families should be happy to leave their children, or they simply won't. DebConf is more complex than LCA and PyCon because we do full-service catering and accomodation for attendees. Therefore, we have to worry about the number of omnivore, vegan, and vegetarian meals, already. We all agree that families are *much* more peculiar than individual attendees, so as soon as we open that can and try to cater to them when it comes to catering and accomodation, we are going to find ourselves in hell. We should - offer reliable, somewhat professionally-backed child-care during the day to allow both parents to participate when they want; - make sure that we do not exclude families, i.e. by hosting the conference in a venue surrounded by open water, with many stairs, or in the middle of high-traffic cities; - make sure that our basic accomodation options do not preclude families, i.e. that there are rooms for four, possibly separate from the other rooms, but this is optional; - talk to some hotels in the vicinity of the venue and identify one or two options that are family-friendly; - finally, put up a wiki or web page with all these information to manage the expectations. In general, I would really like DebConf to be perceived as a family-friendly conference. This does not mean that the orga team must go out of their way, having already a lot to do. But it also means that we should refrain from sending any signals as were sent this year, which might deter some parents. That said, Le Camp was perfect for families, IMHO. I know how peculiar families can get, but I really can't imagine where problems may have been. I will now ask the list for private replies. Cheers, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "i think, therefore i'm single" -- lizz winstead digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [wiki] relative links
also sprach Kåre Thor Olsen [2013.08.25.1140 +0200]: > I have now enabled the subpages feature, and tested its use on > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany - please let me > know if there are any side-effects. Thanks a lot, it's looking good! -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "we are like shop windows in which we are continually arranging, concealing or illuminating the supposed qualities other ascribe to us -- in order to deceive ourselves." - friedrich nietzsche digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [wiki] No arithmetic for logged in users
also sprach Kåre Thor Olsen [2013.08.25.1218 +0200]: > > Wouldn't it make sense to spare logged users from the > > arithmetics? It's great that wiki.dc.org keeps our brains young, > > but too often one simply doesn't notice and loses changes. > > I have disabled the captcha module. Again, please let me know if > there are any side-effects. \o/ Thanks! -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the public is wonderfully tolerant. it forgives everything except genius." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC14: parallel activities for families with kids
also sprach Ana Guerrero Lopez [2013.08.24.2110 +0200]: > No, please. I don't understand why you're trying to stop this > discussion. Because there is no point in talking about the past when the goal is not exclusively to make it better in the future. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "in all unimportant matters, style, not sincerity, is the essential. in all important matters, style, not sincerity, is the essential." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC14: parallel activities for families with kids
also sprach Ana Guerrero Lopez [2013.08.25.1718 +0200]: > I would say that's what we're doing. Then I rest my case. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org windoze nt crashed. i am the blue screen of death. no one hears your screams. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Please create the mailinglist debconf-families
also sprach Joerg Jaspert [2013.08.26.2247 +0200]: > Done, with those settings. > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-kids My fault, but the team decision was to move mailing lists to lists.debian.org. Therefore, please do *not* use this list. I am sorry about that. I will apply for a new list at lists.debian.org. -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems "you grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever." -- godspeed you black emperor! digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Bug#720996: please create debconf-kids@lists.d.o
Package: lists.debian.org Severity: wishlist Please create debconf-kids@lists.d.o - unarchived - with subscriptions requiring acknowledgement by a moderator. Please add the following moderators for now (probably going to be changed…): - ric...@debian.org - madd...@debian.org - jo...@debian.org Thanks, -- System Information: Debian Release: jessie/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 3.10-rc7-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_NZ, LC_CTYPE=en_NZ.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- .''`. martin f. krafft Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduckhttp://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Bug#720996: please create debconf-kids@lists.d.o
also sprach Alexander Wirt [2013.08.26.2322 +0200]: > I don't see any valid argument why this list should be private > without archiving. > > Please give me some details which this makes sense. I thought > debconf is an open project. Good question. I think the reason is two-fold: 1. Some parents are rather restrictive wrt talking about their off-spring on the Tubes; 2. debconf-kids is going to mainly about exchange and self-organisation of child care at DebConf. While I think that we should still strive to provide a basic framework for child care, volunteers will be required to make it really useful for parents. And those volunteers are probably going to be parents, who might have an easier time discussing organisation if they know that Google won't know about it. Does this make sense? If not, then I am willing to be convinced. ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "without a god, life is only a matter of opinion." -- douglas adams digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Bug#720996: please create debconf-kids@lists.d.o
also sprach Alexander Wirt [2013.08.27.0804 +0200]: > No, I am sorry. Especially as a parent interested in the topic > this doesn't make sense to me. I want to follow the process, even > when I won't participate now. But I want to be able to step in > later (when debconf comes back to europe) and I want to read the > archives then. In that case, discussions on the list will be limited to an abstract level, and to the input of those parents who don't care about how much the Web gets to know about their kids. Those parents who exercise care in not predefining their kids' online personae will not participate in the same way they would if they'd know that anything they say will be read only by a closed circle of people. How about making archives non-public but only accessible to subscribers? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the well-bred contradict other people. the wise contradict themselves." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Bug#720996: please create debconf-kids@lists.d.o
I am closing the request. At the moment, there is no need for this list, I think, and we can revisit this medium-term. Meanwhile, we know who to speak to. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org i don't want to get myself into a hot babe situation. -- jonathan mcdowll, #debian-uk, 6 jul 2009 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf website maintenance
also sprach Bart Martens [2013.09.18.1108 +0200]: > So, can I help with getting+keeping http://debconf.org/ up to date ? That would be great, yes. All the data for it is in the debconf-data SVN repository: svn+ssh://scm.alioth.debian.org/svn/debconf-data Could one of the admins please add bartm as project member? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org be careful of reading health books -- you might die of a misprint. -- mark twain digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 Dates And Upcoming Decisions
also sprach Patty Langasek [2013.09.27.1928 +0200]:
> Good morning, everyone!
Good evening.
> Right now, we know we have the dates 24 Aug - 30 Aug, with
> departure of no later than 1 September 2014 for our official
> venue.
Traditionally, the conference starts Sunday morning (24 Aug) and
ends Saturday night (30 Aug), with departure on Sunday (31 Aug). I'd
think this is wise specifically due to Labor (Mon)Day, which will
make travel a hassle and expensive too.
> 1. Daytrip - yes or no? And when? During the week is ideal, as
>there will be less traffic and less conflict with other
>tourists/weekend travellers.
Traditionally, that was Wednesday, and yes, I think we should have
a Day Trip because of its social value.
I think it's also not a bad idea to combine day trip with conference
dinner to maximise the number of work time ("separate hacking time")
in the evenings on the other days (see below).
> 2. DebCamp - yes or no? We do not have official venue (talk rooms)
>for the week prior to our reserved dates (or the week after).
>If we do have DebCamp, it will need to be restricted in number
>and time (it won't be a week long).
I think we should stick with DebCamp and we should try as hard as
possible to make it as long as possible.
We do not need talk rooms for that, but we do need hack space for 80
people or thereabouts (with whiteboards ideally). And accomodation
and food.
> 3. Separate Hacking Time - yes or no? One thing the organizers
>would like to see is hacking and collaborating time (different
>from DebCamp) that doesn't conflict with the Talks Schedule.
Isn't that what starts at 18:00 every day?
But see below: especially with three talk tracks and maybe
a schedule that runs until 19:00, make 12:00–16:00 be
lunch+collaboration time.
> 4. Talks - Call for Team! - We need to decide when the talks
>start, when they end, tracks, what days, how many, etc. This is
>key to declaring our dates.
This chicken and egg problem could be resolved using previous
DebConfs as a basis to jump off.
One discussion point has been the starting time in the morning.
While I think 09:00 is fine, I think we will have more people show
up at 10:00.
I would vote for a plenary session in the main talk room at 09:30
for announcements, jokes, local wisdom, riddles, prices, whatever.
Just make people get together, which makes organisation a lot
easier. Cf. LCA.
We need two hours for lunch.
Each talk lasts 45–50 minutes and we need 10–15 minutes of time
between them to change venues.
This means that if we have a 10–18 schedule, we can do two talks in
the morning and four in the afternoon (14, 15, 16, 17). Multiply
that by two or three tracks (traditionally we had two, but I think
three would be doable, e.g. "sysadmin & cloud", "community
& social", "debian tech". This would give us 12 or 18 talks per day,
and we have So,Mo,Tu,Th,Fr,Sa == 6 days, i.e. 72 or 108 talks.
That's quite a nice number. And we could easily run until 19:00,
especially if the lunch break is extended with "hacking time".
My 2 US¢ simply because I didn't want to work on the other stuff
I have to do tonight ;)
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[Debconf-team] Average data volume per day?
Hey folks, can you estimate how much data we'll push (and pull) in a day of DebConf? It'd help to be able to give the providers in .de a rough (!) estimate. Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen" -- albert einstein digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-announce] DC13 Final Report
also sprach Ian Jackson [2013.10.18.1656 +0200]: > I don't know exactly how this would fit into the DC13 Final Report, > but it might be good to say something about dgit. Here's what I > just came up with: I'd say dgit is a splendid example of just what DebConf can enable. As a lead to Ian's article, you could use the following: One of the most core purposes of DebConf is to bring together developers face-to-face. It is not seldom that such meetings very quickly turn productive. In the following case, it started out as a lunch discussion over a piece of cardboard [there is a photo somewhere] and two days later, Ian gave a talk on his project "dgit", a promising contender to solve the problem of "decentralised collaboration" in Debian. This field is of high importance to the community, because it enables very flexible workflows. Here's what Ian has to say himself: … > dgit is a new tool which allows any package to be downloaded, edited, > and NMUed by someone who likes to use git. dgit's user does not need I'd say "uploaded" instead of NMUed. And "the Git versioning system" instead of "git" > to know about or understand the maintainer's source code management > practices. They simply edit the actual source package contents in > git, and when they're done dgit will let them push (upload) the result You don't really "edit in git". I'd say "manage changes with Git" (capitalised…) Comma after "done" > to the archive. > > Although dgit is all my own code, its design came out of a number of > very intense discussions held at Debconf 13. I particularly want > mention Joey Hess, who deserves at least half the credit for the > conversation where we each came to the table with a different gigantic > cloud castle which would never be implemented or deployed, and came > away with the present design - small, immediately implementable and > immediately deployable. I thought German had a monopoly on run-on sentences ;) > The first useable version of dgit was uploaded before the end of DC13. > > There is still much work to be done: in particular dgit does not yet > work properly for Debian Maintainers or have a useable read-only mode. > And its support for use by the package maintainer is not always good, > depending on the maintainer's workflow. So it is presently mostly a > tool for DD NMUers. I'd suggest to remove some of the tech-speek and shorten the description. Maybe just the middle paragraph about the collaboration with Joey suffices? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the only thing that sustains one through life is the consciousness of the immense inferiority of everybody else, and this is a feeling that I have always cultivated." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposal for sponsorship levels (and registration fees) for DC14
also sprach Brian Gupta [2013.10.24.0143 +0200]: > After discussion with sponsors-team we are proposing the following > sponsorship levels and registration fees for DC14. (They are largely > the same as DC13 with CHF substituted for USD). The USD is a bit weaker than the CHF, but one sentiment I often heard during the preparation of DC13 was that the sponsorship levels were too expensive. Maybe it would be possible to add another level below bronze e.g. at 1000 USD with a small benefit, such as a link or whatever. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org i wish this wish not to be granted! -- achilles (hofstadter's geb) digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposal for sponsorship levels (and registration fees) for DC14
also sprach Gaudenz Steinlin [2013.10.24.1809 +0200]: > Also at least for Swiss SMEs the levels did not seem to be too > high. I only talked to Swiss SMEs. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org murphy's law is recursive. washing your car to make it rain doesn't work. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposal for sponsorship levels (and registration fees) for DC14
also sprach Brian Gupta [2013.10.24.2029 +0200]: > Would this address the issue, or do you feel it's important to have a > minimal threshold? I am just wondering whether there'd be an "iron" level or so, for 1.000 USD. One thing we could do is add one admission to the sponsors at this level, and more upwards. While this may make us take in less money from sponsors who were going to pay for people to attend (how many are those anyway?), we'd create an incentive that might well get used (admission only, not room&board included, and it's good because it adds diversity). But my gut feeling is that not too many sponsors would be making use of that benefit, meaning it'd be a net win for us. Silver, gold and platinum sponsors could get 2,3,4 or 2,4,8 tickets included with their sponsorship. Thoughts? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org uʍop ǝpısdn sı ɹoʇıuoɯ ɹnoʎ digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposal for sponsorship levels (and registration fees) for DC14
also sprach Raphaël Walther [2013.10.24.2121 +0200]: > I don't understand what you explained. What do you mean by admission ? If you > mean corporate fees i think this not the right approach as we would not get > this money from the sponsor. We would not get 500 USD from one participant of the conference who is associated with the sponsor to whom we gave one free admission. But we would not lose anything for sponsors who don't send anyone. We would have a new "variable", a new "benefit" and our sponsor levels would not be almost entirely about in which place the logo gets placed. Also: if there are going to be drink cups again (which depends largely on how catering is organised), then you can offer the platinum sponsors to have their logo on their! Also, we have name badges. Logos can go there too! Maybe we should have a 50k sponsorship level with logos on drink cups and/or name badges and make Google and HP really compete ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." -- orbital digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposal for sponsorship levels (and registration fees) for DC14
also sprach Richard Hartmann [2013-10-25 01:56 +0200]: > From a practical POV, tote bags will probably have the highest > chance of actually being used after the conference. I don't know > anyone who actually uses conference-provided messenger bags. Does > anyone else? Agreed. I would love to have some more cotton (hemp?) tote bags for shopping. Conference messenger bags hardly ever get used and I eventually toss them out. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies." - friedrich nietzsche digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] food for thoughts
also sprach Holger Levsen [2013.10.27.1155 +0100]: > some interesting food for thoughts for conference organizers: > http://voodootikigod.com/posts/our-culture-of-change Glancing over this, I can't help but say that we're in the lead here. Of course, handling criticism is always a challenge, but I think at least we're all aware and not because of this article. And between our day trip, conference dinner, Mao and werewolf sessions, assassins game, bond fires where possible, sauna experiences and social BoFs, I find it hard to make space just to get really drunk in between! ;) Yet, we can always get better! Let's do it. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "arthur slapped his arms about himself to try and get his circulation a little more enthusiastic about its job." -- hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for DebConf volunteers and DebConf15/16 bids
Folks, You can expect a bid from Germany for DebConf15. Similar to DC13, we are working on multiple venues in parallel. Two suitable venues are mostly ready to go, and a third is under active development. You'll hear from us soon. On behalf of the DC15.de team, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf15 Germany team member `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 timeline
also sprach Holger Levsen [2014-01-21 02:35 +1300]: > Do we need or shall we have another dedicated meeting about DebConf15? With what purpose? To make the decision? Or just general discussion? I don't think we need general discussion and would prefer if that took place asynchronously on the mailing list. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "it would be truly surprising if sound were not capable of suggesting colour, if colours could not give the idea of the melody, if sound and colour were not adequate to express ideas." -- claude debussy digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Please make a DC15 decision before March — poll included
Dear team, I would kindly like to ask you to make a decision for a DC15 by the end of February. The two venues in the .de bid are really popular and I fear that we won't be able to hold our options there (no official options/reservations, but vocal promises) beyond March. Also, the earlier we make a decision, the more time we have for preparing the conference. For instance, making a decision in March rather than April would give us a month more time to hopefully have a website up by DC14. And obviously having another month to negotiate could result in lower cost. Finally, there are the DPL elections coming up. It would be cool if we could dive into those with a clear mind. I understand that the Belgian team is waiting for important information that they are going to receive within the next two weeks. I don't think it's going to be asking too much or putting them under too much pressure to aim for a decision by the end of February. I have set up a Dudle poll to see if we can agree on a date already, just to allow for better planning for everyone. Please participate: https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/dc15_decision_meeting/ Best, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the liar at any rate recognises that recreation, not instruction, is the aim of conversation, and is a far more civilised being than the blockhead who loudly expresses his disbelief in a story which is told simply for the amusement of the company." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Please make a DC15 decision before March — poll included
also sprach Holger Levsen [2014-02-07 14:54 +0100]: > Someone decides, usually the person calling for the meeting. If > Martin doesnt want to decide, I'm happy to do so. (But need to be > told to do so :) Martin is involved in a bid so he'd prefer if a neutral person did… -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "she is absolutely inadmissible into society. many a woman has a past, but I am told that she has at least a dozen, and that they all fit." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Please make a DC15 decision before March — poll included
also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-02-07 15:11 +0100]: > What about Norway? Sweden you mean. -- martin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/ "alles sollte so einfach, wie möglich gemacht sein, aber nicht einfacher." -- albert einstein spamtraps: madduck.bo...@madduck.net digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Questions to the bid teams
Hello, please keep questions to the teams to the mailing list. It's too easy to miss something on IRC. Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org never underestimate the power of human stupidity. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Notes from reviewing bids. (And questions for teams)
ential sponsors are in Munich) While some local sponsors might not consider a conference in Heidelberg, most of the local companies operate all over Germany or world-wide and just happen to be headquartered in Munich. We believe that it won't make a difference to most of them. Also, most of us are much more familiar with Munich than with Heidelberg so the sponsor list for Heidelberg is far from complete. Contrary to that, it wasn't hard to brainstorm a list for Munich. We have not started to talk to any sponsors yet, and will not do so until after the bid decision. Surveying local businesses will then obviously be step one and you can expect the list to grow. Moreover, with Conny, we have a sponsoring specialist in our team who's just waiting to be let off the leash! ;) > 2) Germany: What price should the committee consider for venue >costs in Munich? IE: Will the answer to the University hosting >DC be answered before decision meeting? At this stage, we expect to have an answer in time for the meeting. However, we would like to reiterate that the German bid encompasses two locations (with the same team behind both), which was a strategic choice by the team to improve the end result and drive down costs. Especially since we consider Heidelberg to be well on track for a conference in 2015, we have a bit more time to develop Munich and feel like we do not need to push for a decision too hard. > 3) Germany: Why does German team favor Heidelberg? As I said above, at the time of the bid, Heidelberg had less unanswered questions and was generally ready to go. The networking topic seems merely a question of time. Should we manage to solve the questions around venue and catering in Munich, then it's very likely that the team's preference will change. Local team presence does play a role for us as well. > 6) Both: Family accommodations: Will family-rooms be available? If >not, will there be nearby (walking distance) hotels? As shown on our bid pages, there are hotels nearby. Moreover, the youth hostels (in Munich and Heidelberg) have 2, 3, and 4 bed rooms, which can obviously be allocated to families. There are family/baby-rooms at the venue in Munich, and Heidelberg is a contained venue where kids can run around freely anyway, so kids and families will be catered for during daytime in both places, too. For Munich, we have started to look at actual daycare, already. We hope to have answered your questions and are looking forward to more! On behalf of the entire team, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org #include digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Notes from reviewing bids. (And questions for teams)
also sprach Brian Gupta [2014-02-18 11:53 +0100]: > Bear in mind, it's not just a question of willingness. They may > not have the facilities/staff to accommodate such large orders, > especially considering that it is a smaller city. I would put more > effort into hammering this down, and exploring options, BEFORE THE > DECISION, as arranging meals for 150+ is not always as trivial as > it might seem. I don't think we ever had catering arranged before the bid decision, but I applaud this push towards setting new standards! ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the worst part of being old is remembering when you was young." -- alvin straight (the straight story) digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Mechelen accomodation (was: DC15: mechelen bid on the wiki page)
A few question on accomodation with my dc-team hat on (instead of the dc15.de hat): You write that the hostel has 120 beds and that we'd be paying around 20 € per person. Does this include breakfast? If we assume 350 attendants, then this means that 230 will have to be put into hotels at 55 or 100 €/Person (incl. breakfast). I assume these are the official, single-booking prices of the hotel. Have you had indications about bed prices when you book 230 beds at once? And a suggestion for the day trip: it should be possible to organise a guided tour of the EU headquarters, not for everyone, but for large groups, and those tours are usually very cheap (as every EU citizen has a right to such a tour at no cost at any time!). -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "...the prevailing catholic odor - incense, wax, centuries of mild bleating from the lips of the flock." -- thomas pynchon, gravity's rainbow digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Notes from reviewing bids. (And questions for teams)
75 €/day. So we think we'll be looking at 700–900 €/day max, but don't hold us to it because we don't know the requirements yet. We do, however, have direct contacts into security companies and there could be discounts… Then there's cleaning — again, we don't know how much of that the university expects us to do, but to keep at least the toilets clean, we'd budget 4 hours at 8,50 € or 34 €/day plus 6 € of materials. Add to that maybe 80 man-hours at the end of DebConf and 200 € of materials and we're talking about an addition 900 € for the whole post-conference cleanup. Breaking it all down, we're looking at something like 800 – 1,000 €/day, which would be less than the daily venue hire in Heidelberg and absolutely within range. But as before: don't hold us to these figures while we don't know the exact needs, please. > > However, we would like to reiterate that the German bid > > encompasses two locations (with the same team behind both), > > which was a strategic choice by the team to improve the end > > result and drive down costs. Especially since we consider > > Heidelberg to be well on track for a conference in 2015, we have > > a bit more time to develop Munich and feel like we do not need > > to push for a decision too hard. > > I touched on this earlier, but please understand, that presenting > more than one option seems like it would make the job of those > making the decision much more difficult. On the contrary, it means that you can choose to put DC15 in Germany and know that it has a >100% chance of being successful. Moreover, you will know that the team is going to be even more motivated when they can properly negotiate with venues (negotiations suck when there is no choice), which means higher quality for lower prices. So opting for the German DC15 bid means you'll get a fantastic conference. We think that's making things easier, not more difficult! ;) On behalf of the team, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org if god is perfect, why did he create discontinuous functions? digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Notes from reviewing bids. (And questions for teams)
From: martin f krafft To: debconf-team@lists.debconf.org Cc:· Bcc:· Subject: Re: [Debconf-team] Notes from reviewing bids. (And questions for teams) Reply-To:· In-Reply-To: <20140219174353.ga23...@ftbfs.de> also sprach Martin Zobel-Helas [2014-02-19 18:43 +0100]: > Heidelberg's Youth Hostel doesn't say anything about wheel chair > access in the wiki, but according to the website it has 6 wheel > chair accessable sleeping rooms, it states that the restaurant > part are wheel chair accessable, no information about the > auditorium rooms. "All conference rooms are fully accessible and within short walking distance" > I personaly like the idea of Heidelberg, to have everything in one > place, though the auditorium rooms might be a bit on the small end. Yes they are on the smaller^Wcozy side, but it is our experience that an ever-increasing number of people follow talks via streams thanks to the video team, anyway. It's a consideration for events like the opening and closing ceremonies, but then again it's possible to stand at the side like in Vaumarcus. We are working on the assumption of having 320 participants. Between the biggest two auditoria, we have 370 seats, so even if *everyone* attended the main talks at any time, we probably won't fill either room to the last seat. On behalf of the entire team, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Notes from reviewing bids. (And questions for teams)
also sprach Martin Zobel-Helas [2014-02-19 18:43 +0100]: > Heidelberg's Youth Hostel doesn't say anything about wheel chair > access in the wiki, but according to the website it has 6 wheel > chair accessable sleeping rooms, it states that the restaurant > part are wheel chair accessable, no information about the > auditorium rooms. "All conference rooms are fully accessible and within short walking distance" > I personaly like the idea of Heidelberg, to have everything in one > place, though the auditorium rooms might be a bit on the small end. Yes they are on the smaller^Wcozy side, but it is our experience that an ever-increasing number of people follow talks via streams thanks to the video team, anyway. It's a consideration for events like the opening and closing ceremonies, but then again it's possible to stand at the side like in Vaumarcus. We are working on the assumption of having 320 participants. Between the biggest two auditoria, we have 370 seats, so even if *everyone* attended the main talks at any time, we probably won't fill either room to the last seat. On behalf of the entire team, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Questions to the bid teams
also sprach Giacomo Catenazzi [2014-02-19 17:28 +0100]: > - Heidelberg > I'm concerned about "With exclusive access, 24/7 is no problem. > But there will be limitations during DebCamp (or if we end up with > less than 350) when we are not the only ones (noise concerns, > etc.)". We want also not to disturb the attendees that want to > sleep, so noise is such big problem on the venue? Everything will be in one building, so noise is a concern. And yes, a few rooms are close to what would be designated social space. Obviously, this would have to be catered for. However, when we visited, we did raise those concerns explicitly and we concluded that it wasn't going to be a major problem. > Additionally I find 350 people a very high number. I expect some > people sleeping outside the venue, and more people eating oustide > (like in other urban debconfs). We are going to negotiate these numbers down to 320 or even further. We have not entered any serious negotations about prices. Our goal is certainly to separate at least dinners from accomodation. The venue probably won't be able to cater to 80 people on one night and 300 on the next without prior notice and proper planning, but as a they are a business with experience, we expect them to have some flexibility. > BTW what are the prices for these people? We are expecting all hot meals to be around 7 € per person. > "Hostel can cater for 150–170 people at once". What do you mean? > Do we need two (or ev. also three rounds)? Or "relay" is still > good. Yes, we would take rounds as we did in Edinburgh. > - Munich: Could you set up a hacklab on the hostel? Could be open > 24/7? The hostel has a number of open spaces with WLAN, but we have not inquired about a hack lab yet. We added that as a to-do item. > For all bids: * Are there minimum dressing standards on venue > / accommodation? No. But the conference venue is not a pool or a beach. I don't think this has ever been a concern at DebConf and it won't be at DC15 in Germany. > * how are the venue/accommodation flexible with the number of > attendees? (is April OK? BTW June is better) Munich would be fully flexible, as we would not have exclusive use of the (600+ beds) hostel anyway. Heidelberg would be flexible above 320 people, but below it might mean that we have to accept other groups to co-inhabit the space with us. For both venues, we have specified the prospective dates: beginning of August for Munich, end of August for Heidelberg. > * Security: how do you feel leaving computer unattended? > (especially if we share venue with others) are there some > alternatives? (hacklab with strict access control, lockers, etc.) Difficult question to answer, but we'd say: - Munich venue: probably okay, and we'll have security; - Munich hostel: we would not - Heidelberg: no problems with exclusive use. If there were other parties, it would depend on them. On behalf of the entire team, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Questions to the bid teams
also sprach Wouter Verhelst [2014-02-20 10:02 +0100]: > None that I am aware of (other than "don't run around naked", but hey > ;-) Gosh, with such ridiculous standards, how should we ever attain the quality of DC5 and DC6? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "i love deadlines. i like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -- douglas adams digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Questions to the bid teams
also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-02-20 10:37 +0100]: > Legally speaking, you can run around naked in public places in > Germany as long as there's clearly no sexual intention and you are > not actively trying to be disturbing. Belgium tends to be as > liberal as Germany so maybe we _can_ attain that quality. Sweden > is probably too cold :( Naked conference attendees are easier to force-shower, so this all goes well with my plan of instituting mandatory showers at DebConf. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "every day is long. 86400 doesn't fit in a short." digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Questions to the bid teams
also sprach Gunnar Wolf [2014-02-21 21:23 +0100]: > Of course, I'd expect the hostel to agree to leave some empty rooms if > we guarantee ~80-90% occupation. The hostel has 440 beds and is willing to give us exclusive use of the venue when we buy 320 beds (or more). As you suggest, we should budget to buy 320 beds, even if some remain unused. Maybe we can bring that down to 300. We'll see… > Ugh. There was a beautiful decade when almost all DebConfs > happened around July. Why August? :( It's holiday here. Hostels usually have school groups outside of holiday seasons, so a mass deal like we're after clashes therewith. Hence we need to stick to the holidays. We're sorry if this inconveniences you. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org hi! i'm a .signature virus! copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC14 C&W venue status
also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-02-25 23:14 +0100]: > I think in NYC they didn't care because there was zero risk of > anyone driving home from the party ;P (And that's not much > different in this case, either!) It was also 2010. They've had almost 4 years since then to improve the laws and better protect the people from themselves. ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org there are lies, statistics, and benchmarks. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updates regarding the Swedish bid
also sprach Ana Guerrero Lopez [2014-03-04 18:38 +0100]:
> > DC17 is not that far away really...or? =)
>
> DC16 is closer :)
Assuming we get equivalent bids from the Americas and Scandinavia
for DC16, would the committee favour the former because
traditionally, {DCx | x%2==0} has been on the other side of the
ocean?
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Re: [Debconf-team] Reminder: DebConf15 venue decision meeting
The wiki page says we should offer a description of the strong points in other bids. What's the purpose of this exercise? Also, is the "priority list" a comprehensive list of criteria to be used during the bid decision? ¹) https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/PriorityList -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "if confronted with a choice between all the truth in god's right hand and the ever live struggle for truth, coupled with eternal error, in god's left, i would choose the left." -- gotthold lessing digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy
also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz [2014-03-05 21:59 +0100]: > After giving more attention to the bid's pages and reading > emails/meetings backlogs I'm blocked by my current preference: > > #1 Heidelberg > #2 Mechelen > #3 Munich > > So it's very clear that the 2-options bid strategy makes things > difficult to me. Please don't split Heidelberg and Munich up. They are part of the same bid. And we believe that this should make things easier for you, instead. Here's why: Let's assume for one moment that you chose the German team, which proposed your top preference, Heidelberg. What could possibly happen next? A) The team decides for the best of their proposals, namely Heidelberg; → everyone happy! B) The team develops Munich further to the point where it trumps Heidelberg, and then choses Munich, because it is the best proposal; → everyone happy (and DebConf gets even better)! C) Heidelberg's venue burns down, so the team falls back to using Munich; → everyone happy, for a lesser DebConf is better than no DebConf. D) All venues proposed in a bid burn down; → everyone unhappy, but 50 % less likely to happen to the German team E) The team chooses the lesser of the two options; → why would this happen? So left are possible outcomes A–D, and compare those to the situation where the team made just one proposal: in that case, A, B & C would be irrelevant and there would only be D, and everyone unhappy. Yes, you might say that you'd then try to re-activate the second option (by another team), but I am not sure how realistic that is. After all, you'd be asking another team to keep the option warm until DebConf was successfully executed. I believe it's much more likely for a team with an alternative proposal to "keep that warm" or re-activate it, than it is to expect another team to re-enter the whole organisation at a later stage. So, please don't look at our bid as two separate proposals. We are trying to convince you that we're a team capable of organising a superb conference, and we hope that we've done an acceptable job thus far. On behalf of said team, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org takt ist der auf das benehmen angewandte gute geschmack. -- nicolas de chamfort digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy
also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz [2014-03-06 10:41 +0100]: > It's not only about the team. Indeed, the German team looks > amazing, but even this great team may not be able to prepare > a great Debconf if the venue impose some important constraints > (e.g a non 24/7 hacklab, which seems to be the case for Munich). We are quite aware of downsides with Munich and we aren't happy with them, even though we've had DebConfs without 24/7 hacklabs before. However, we won't solve these problems before tonight's meeting and I would think it were wrong to discard months of work on what could be a great conference in a spectacular venue because at the moment, the 24/7 access hasn't been resolved. Our team cannot guarantee a perfect DebConf, and we aren't trying to. But we are working hard to leave as little as possible to chance. That's part of what motivates us. > > > C) Heidelberg's venue burns down, so the team falls back to > > > using Munich; > > > → everyone happy, for a lesser DebConf is better than no > > > DebConf. > > I'm afraid that C) can also happen due to other circunstances. > Given that the team is mostly located in Munich, you may find it > more convenient (no judgement here) and put less effort in > Heidelberg option, for exemple. So in that case you'd have > a 'better than no DebConf' just because you had a 'plan B' which > was more confortable for the team. It's just one example, but we > all know how hard is to keep active a local team, so I consider > this example something realistic. We have talked about this a lot in our meetings and of course it would make things easier to organise the conference "at home". Our Munich proposal exists mainly because we were unhappy with the "local team" situation in Heidelberg. However, there are three important considerations which make us prefer Heidelberg nonetheless: 1. We have a single contractual partner in Heidelberg, the main person in charge is about our age, understanding and cooperative, and they do large conferences a lot, so they seem like a great partner; 2. Heidelberg isn't that far away. For instance, I am going there to meet the head of the zoo in 2 weeks (I am not even losing much of the work day since I like to work on trains), and it's part of the concept to go there some time before the conference to be on site during the last phase of preparation. 3. Munich being local is nice during the organisation, especially during the early stages when you need to be all over the place and react quickly. However, once the conference is on, none of us actually want to be "at home", but we'd rather submerge in the conference ourselves. I can also tell you that our team will be much more motivated to work on a great conference 3 hours away from home, than at a mediocre conference in our home town. And yet, if Heidelberg turns out to be too expensive, or we decide that local team presence is more important than previously imagined, we have an alternative that's improving every day. On behalf of the team, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy
also sprach Aigars Mahinovs [2014-03-06 09:36 +0100]: > Actually what is being asked is to develop all proposed options by > all teams to such a level that a valid and final decision can be > made between all proposed venue options. You cannot make a valid and final decision at this point anyway, since there are no contracts in place yet. You can only decide for which of the bid teams you'd like to pursue the organisation of DebConf. > > B) The team develops Munich further to the point where it trumps > > Heidelberg, and then choses Munich, because it is the best > > proposal; > > → everyone happy (and DebConf gets even better)! > > This takes the final venue decision from Debconf team to local > team, which has so far happened only in exceptional cases. The local teams are the ones that know the venues, so they *should* make this decision, obviously with guidance from and in cooperation with the committee. > > C) Heidelberg's venue burns down, so the team falls back to > > using Munich; > > → everyone happy, for a lesser DebConf is better than no DebConf. > > Actually - no, not everyone is happy, because a different venue > outside Germany would have then been a better choice. If by that time, the other team is still ready to go, then yes, this could happen. I consider it much more likely that post-bid-decision, one team disintegrates and the other starts working together more. So if the first choice burns down, I think the existing and active team will be much better off at finding a solution than an inactive team would, especially if the active team has worked with a backup plan from the start. > If the chosen option fails after the decision is made, that is an > extraordinary situation that should not influence the decision as > such. Sure, there's no point in considering this unlikely case at this time. However, being prepared and having a backup solution *should* be considered, and it is in fact part of the LocationChecklist (under 10.)… > There is *more* competition before the venue decision, so > negotiations should be made now, not some time later when options > have already become more limited. We may have a differing understanding of what a negotiation entails. When I say negotiation, I am talking about a process of discussing conditions, formalising an agreement and signing it to form a binding contract. You are talking about preliminary assessments. Those are important, and we have done them, as evidenced by the wiki pages. But we feel like there's room for improvement in the pricing. However, no venue is going to offer a lower price if they sense that they've already been chosen. Just remember: lower prices means more travel sponsorship. > IMHO if both Germany bids are still so much in flux that even the > local team can not decide now between them, There is only one German bid, and the primary proposal of the German bid (Heidelberg) has been "out of flux" for months. We're ready to sign. And this leaves us ample time and energy to work on an alternative, Munich, which looks promising, but we're well aware that it's not there yet. > In my eyes the combined German bid would rank lower than either of > them individually. This is because of the worst case scenario > - German team wins the bid, spends a lot of time and effort > developing both bids, mostly the preferred one and then the > preferred bid fails and all that time spent on it is wasted and we > have a weaker location with far less time spent on developing it. I think you are suggesting that if the first option fails, having a second option available on which you have not spent as much time is worse than having no second option available. If you look at past DebConfs, I think you will conclude that it would have been *really* *good* in some cases, had a team already started developing a backup solution — even at low power — before the preferred option fell over. I find it quite demotivating for you to insinuate that we are working on any other agenda than to deliver the best possible DebConf. In fact, if you think that is the case, please don't vote for us. All this "a lot of time and effort developing both bids" has already happened. We were ready for a decision by the time we submitted our bid in December. What followed were almost two months of silence, and we used that to further improve our proposals. We found a solution for networking in Heidelberg and made much progress in Munich. When there was still no decision made on 2014-02-20, we didn't just twiddle our thumbs and wait two weeks, but we kept working on Munich (Heidelberg needing no more work at this time). We were just trying to make good use of the time, while the other teams and the committee were getting ready. On behalf of the team
Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy
also sprach Raphaël Walther [2014-03-06 15:06 +0100]: > > and we used that to further improve our proposals. We found > > a solution for networking in Heidelberg and made much progress in > > Munich. > [...] > > I was not aware you find a solution for the networking at Heidelberg. Can you > share it? I should have said "promising, potential solution", sorry. I am talking about the fibre through the zoo, and all parties involved seem to be okay with it. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org someday we'll find it the rainbow connection the lovers, the dreamers, and me! -- kermit digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy
also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz [2014-03-06 15:16 +0100]: > Just to clarify a bit, I trust a lot your team, I have no doubts > about your goals and I'm happy that the option I like more seems to > be the one which is most likely to be chosen. I think it'd help > a lot if you state that before the meeting (if it's actually the > case). Heidelberg has been our favourite ever since we submitted our bid. Here's what we wrote on the wiki about that: Our favourite at the time of this bid is Heidelberg, but there exist good reasons that might make one prefer Munich. We would like to continue developing both options and to postpone the decision for one and against the other until after the committee has decided in favour of DebConf15 in Germany. We are confident that this approach will not only allow us to choose the better of two very good options, but that it will also be instrumental in pricing negotiations. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org # vim:tw=70 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy
also sprach Gunnar Wolf [2014-03-06 18:43 +0100]: > OK - From what I've seen so far, basically everybody (except me in the > last meeting ;-) ) prefers Heidelberg over Munich. So, probably the > best way to view it (and to vote in today's meeting) would be having > Heidelberg alone as the German bid — In the knowledge that, were > problems to arise, you have a strong "plan B" in Munich. Unless Munich overtakes Heidelberg. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "it would be truly surprising if sound were not capable of suggesting colour, if colours could not give the idea of the melody, if sound and colour were not adequate to express ideas." -- claude debussy digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy
also sprach Gunnar Wolf [2014-03-06 18:52 +0100]: > Umf... Remember that for DC13 a lot of teeth-gnashing (to put it VERY > mildly) erupted because at some point there was the discussion whether > Le Camp would be the right venue. It was. It paid off to trust the local team. And yes, the Latvians were surprised by this, but since DC13, nobody should be surprised that this is a valable and promising strategy. > Still, we had a huge flamefest while considering a backup site. And we learned from that, so no need to repeat. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "montag, why do you burn books?" "it's a job like any other, pay is good and there is a lot of variety." -- ray bradbury (f451) digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updates regarding the Swedish bid
also sprach Patty Langasek [2014-03-10 05:34 +0100]: > That said, I think an Asia or Australian bid should be considered > regardless of what year cycle we're on. Agreed, though the problem here is obviously travel sponsorship. But this is really trivially solved: DC14 and DC15 have to make massive surplusses to be used for flying a lot of people eastwards for DC16. ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "a man's very highest moment is, i have no doubt at all, when he kneels in the dust, and beats his breast, and tells all the sins of his life." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updates regarding the Swedish bid
also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-03-10 10:04 +0100]: > I rather read the rule as "not the same continent twice", so Asia > could follow both Americas or Europe. Which "rule" are you speaking of? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org consciousness: that annoying time between naps. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Note about sponsorship deadlines.
also sprach Brian Gupta [2014-03-17 16:09 +0100]: > I'm thinking that going forward we need to schedule to have our > biggest fundraising push in Sept-Nov of the year prior, and that > winning bid teams must be made aware that they need to identify enough > team members, prior to this window, to get them up to speed and make > this happen. (Time to start thinking now.) Yes, this is how we plan to approach it for DC15. Alongside, there are two things I would like to see changed for future DebConfs: 1. I would like to encourage the local team and the DC+1 team to stick around post DC for 2 days or so and finish the bloody final report while it's hot. The meeting could also be used to pass on lessons learnt. Post-DC14, I will take the local team and all DC15 team members present out to dinner once the final report is (mostly) finished. 2. We really ought to work hard toward deciding on travel sponsorship for DC15 in 2014! This will allow people to book their flights early, which will mean cheaper prices and more people sponsored for less money. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the duration of passion is proportionate with the original resistance of the woman." -- honoré de balzac digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsorship tiers/benefits for DC15?
Dear Brian, thanks for getting the ball rolling on this. There are multiple points in your e-mail and I shall try to address them individually. If there are replies, it might make sense to split the points into different messages an amend the subject. 1. The idea to contact those potential DC14 sponsors whom you've approached too late is really good. Do you have a list of contacts you could send to me in private? 2. I am not sure that sponsorshop tiers should stay constant. The reason is that budgets also don't stay constant and fixing exchange rates does not solve this — it opens a different box of Pandora. 3. In fact, I think every DebConf should be run independently and there should not be a definition of tier levels in USD, to which sponsors and organisers have to adapt. 4. While there is a bit of charm in the idea of awarding platinum sponsorship at different levels based on country of origin (and economical strength), I think this would be too hard to carve out. Instead, I think that tier levels should be dependent on budget, i.e. we should look at previous DebConfs for data like "1 platinum, 2 gold, 4 silver", etc… and then divide the budget total by the average of those counts to get the level needed. And then we round up. 5. This does not mean that we shouldn't engage with potential sponsors in deals such as "gold for the next 5 years for $12,000/year" and never downgrade them below gold (though they might receive an upgrade in a year with a very cheap conference). 6. There should be no currency risk if we receive e.g. $60k for the next five years and invest it for interest. This is currently hard because the central banks are flooding the markets still, but in theory, exchange rate changes should be balanced out with changes in the respective interest rates. Of course, we don't have an actual treasury to take care of risk management here… 7. Based on your numbers and our very roughly projected budget, I'd consider the following levels approriate in Euros: Platinum: 20k, Gold: 10k, Silver: 5k, Bronze: 1.5k. RFC. 8. I think we should aim high and be ready to be flexible about sponsorship tiers. For instance, A might have bought Platinum for 22k but B says they can only give 20k, but they will only do it for Platinum. Now a deal could be cut according to which e.g. B enables employees to work on something for DebConf, or prints stuff for us, or handles bags etc., so that they pay 20k and some labour on top. Since we don't have to disclose numbers, A would also not need to find out. Alternatively, we could ask A in this case whether they would be okay with B getting Platinum for less, whether they want their money back, or whether we can find another perk to justify their additional expense. 9. One thing I am missing in the sponsorship tiers are free conference tickets, including potentially free participation in a special dinner event. I know this goes against the inclusive philosophy of DebConf, but we are dealing with sponsors here and we might just have to put ourselves aside for a minute. I am alluding to the LCA speakers dinner, which is a great perk for sponsors: they get treated to nice dinner and exclusive access to the speakers for that evening. We don't make such hoohaa about prominence of our speakers, but we could easily organise a fancy dinner e.g. for our Silver+ sponsors, who get to enjoy catered food in the presence of e.g. the organisers, the DPL, and a handful of prominent DebConf attendees to make the sponsors feel special. 10. All this said, I would like to pick up the ball you started rolling for DC15 and approach sponsors ASAP, even before DC14 takes place. Then, sponsors can inform themselves ahead of time, ask questions, maybe even send people, and generally make a much more informed decision about sponsoring DC15. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "however jewel-like the good will may be in its own right, there is a morally significant difference between rescuing someone from a burning building and dropping him from a twelfth-storey window while trying to rescue him." -- thomas nagel digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] close debconf15-team@l.d.o ?
also sprach Holger Levsen [2014-03-18 15:45 +0100]: > sigh. This is a misunderstanding. DebConf15 will be organized on > debconf-team@lists.debconf.org, just as every other DebConf. > > I wonder if this mailing list should be closed already. We usually > just want+need bid specific lists, _before_ a country has been > decided. I disagree. DebConf15 organisation is rolling, and we need a space to discuss ideas and plans before they are ready to be discussed with the global team. Also, debconf-team is (and should be) currently occupied with DC14. Post DC14, most topics can be moved to dc-team, I don't think anyone has any other plans. However, even then, having a DC15 local team list will be very helpful to discuss things that are not relevant to dc-team (e.g. local arrangements, meetings on site, etc.). Please keep the two separate. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org the reason that every major university maintains a department of mathematics is that it's cheaper than institutionalizing all those people. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] close debconf15-team@l.d.o ?
also sprach Patty Langasek [2014-03-20 03:13 +0100]: > As it is, I currently can't follow the discussions on > #debconf-team *because* of the channel take-over for next year's > event. We'll make sure to keep anything dc15-related on our channel from now on, sorry. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org warning: dates in calendar are closer than they appear. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Comments on contract
also sprach raph...@walther.im [2014-03-20 23:46 +0100]: > 3) Dinner on arrival day August 22, 2014 is missing. > As I expect most people comming on arrival day, please arrange something. Lunch as well, some people will show up in time… -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "most people become bankrupt through having invested too heavily in the prose of life. to have ruined one's self over poetry is an honour." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-03-27 20:52 +0100]: > And to any members of the DC15 team who may be reading this with > alarm: […] So there's a very good chance that a sizable portion of > this bursaries allocation will be yours next year, no matter what > else happens. :) We'll believe it when we see it ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
also sprach Lucas Nussbaum [2014-03-28 00:23 +0100]: > Yes. I wonder about the respective merits of the daytrip vs the > conference dinner too. But I'll leave that up to you (the DebConf > team). The conference dinner is one thing, but the day trip is IMHO a really important aspect of the conference, at least if our goal is (includes) to enhance personal relationships and get people to know each other better. Without taking any position in the recent debate over the use of Debian money to sponsor DebConf, I would even go as far as saying that Debian should always make sure there's a day trip. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org when everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] The great Git migration is impending
Folks, it seems that the only thing keeping us from migrating to Git is someone actually doing it. Fortunately, Gaudenz already did all the heavy lifting, and so I am taking it upon myself to see the migration through. Here's what's going to happen: On Wednesday, 02 April, around 09:00 UTC, the existing Subversion repositories will be switched read-only. Please try to commit any changes you may have in your tree before that. If you forget, then you will have to obtain the diff and apply that to Git later. Shortly afterwards (let's say at 10:00 UTC), the Git repositories will go live. From this point on, all changes to the data in the repositories must be made via Git. Processes that are still using Subversion will continue to work, but will run against potentially stale data, as SVN is no longer updated. Please migrate them to Git as soon as possible. Unless there are major problems, we'll turn off all access to the Subversion repositories on 30 April. I am going to take care of IRC commit notifications, and Ganneff will switch over debconfX.debconf.org websites. I have prepared a wiki page to assist everyone in the process: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/GitMigration If you need help, don't hesitate to ask on the #debconf-team channel. If you prefer to use the mailing list for your questions, please put [Git] into the subject line to not distract the orga teams preparing conferences. The debconf-team repository was migrated all-in-one. However, the debconf-data repository no longer exists as such. Instead, there now exist repositories for each of the conference-subdirectories. This was mainly done to conserve space. Finally, just to appease the frightful: if this blows up, then there's a way to revert the whole migration, even if people have committed to Git since. See the wiki page. But I don't think it'll happen. Hope this answers all your questions. Cross your fingers for Wednesday! -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-03-30 00:02 +0100]: > Why is that, if everyone is agreed that surplusses are not rolled > over from year to year? Do we have to continue this debate? -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon." -- epigrams in programming digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-03-30 08:54 +0200]: > > Do we have to continue this debate? > > I'm sorry, I thought I was asking a legitimate question about how DebConf > accounting is handled, not engaging in a debate. I think we should talk about this not in the context of specific instances of DebConf, i.e. at DC14 in a small group. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "politics is the entertainment branch of industry." -- frank zappa digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] [DebConf15] Decision for Heidelberg
Folks, the dc15.de team has chosen Heidelberg for DebConf 15. If you're interested in helping out, or just want to stay up-to-date on developments, please join our mailing list and/or IRC channel: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany#Communication We're soon going to announce details of the kick-off event in Heidelberg in May on our mailing list. Cheers, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DC15 date selection
Folks, we have two date options in Heidelberg and we'd like to get an idea of preferences in the team. The two options are not equal with respect to use of the venue, so your input is highly valued, but please don't get the idea that the choice will be made by democratic vote. We're also aware that some of you would rather have DebConf in June/July, but that's not really possible in Germany.¹ Therefore, the two options are mid-August and towards the end of August, reaching into September. ¹) It's when all schools go on trips and book the youth hostels… Please let us know what you think would be a better choice: http://doodle.com/6rnm7axd4684gutk (the poll is hidden to allow you to make an uninfluence choice) Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org if you find a spelling mistake in the above, you get to keep it. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 date selection
also sprach martin f krafft [2014-03-30 21:41 +0200]: > Please let us know what you think would be a better choice: > > http://doodle.com/6rnm7axd4684gutk > (the poll is hidden to allow you to make an uninfluence choice) Try to answer not based on your own preference, but based on what you think would be better for DebConf as a whole, please. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the scientific paper in its orthodox form does embody a totally mistaken conception, even a travesty, of the nature of scientific thought." -- sir peter medawar digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] The great Git migration is impending
also sprach Gaudenz Steinlin [2014-03-31 18:59 +0200]: > Yes thanks to all and especially Martin for resurrecting the > migration. Good things sometimes take a while. Just keep all your positive thinking until Wednesday afternoon and recall it then when stuff breaks! ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org officer, arrest that man! he's whistling a copyrighted song. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Conference dinner, day trip (was: Updated budget for DC14)
also sprach Patty Langasek [2014-03-31 20:03 +0200]:
> The problem is, with the wider information gathered and the
> "personal experience opinions" expressed, it's pretty blatently
> clear that data-mining doesn't really give a good estimation of
> how beneficial the day trip is for the conference at large.
Best point in this thread, which is herewith being retitled.
I would go as far as saying that it's up to the organisers (within
limits, of course) to decide how they want to structure their
conference and what they want to offer. Trying to please the
majority is not always going to be possible or even the best option.
But putting on something that excites people will help in purporting
a general feel and desire of wanting to take part in whatever that
may be. And here, I am not only talking conference ("fancy") dinner
and day trip, but any aspect of the conference, really.
On the other hand, it doesn't help participation in
"extra-curricular" events if some people — and especially some of
the seasoned attendees — come to DebConf with their mind made up,
e.g. that they won't participate in the day trip anyway.
That's the cycle we ought to break. We will never be able to excite
the couch potatoes and those afraid of day light (werewolfs!), and
it will always be everyone's choice what to do. But we ought to make
it such that the default is for everyone to participate in
whatever's offered, and if only to get a break from the strenuous
conference intensity.
On the flipside of things, this means that the offerings must either
be all-inclusive, or there must be a variety to choose from, like
what DC13 did. I was originally against separating the groups, but
bringing them all together for lunch and then the boat trip back was
just splendid.
--
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Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
also sprach Michael Banck [2014-04-02 00:36 +0200]: > My point kinda was that I thought the BBQ was the better Conference > Dinner. I wouldn't mind if we just had another one with some additional > social events one evening and scrap the traditional conference dinner. Or find ways to integrate the conference dinner with the day trip, such that at the end of an outside day, you get to eat outside food too. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the intellect is not a serious thing, and never has been. it is an instrument on which one plays, that is all." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
