Re: [AFMUG] Ot: my adventure

[Trey Scarborough]

Those need to by liquid jetted with ranchero sauce, queso, or hatch 
chili verde!


On 5/22/2022 1:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Have you done tests to determine the maximum acceleration a tamale can 
withstand?


If you suck all the air out of the tube you might be able to reach 
such a high velocity that you can have an army of Mexican aunts making 
tamales to order and have them arrive still warm.


Maybe you could get Elon Musk's hyperloop to fund the whole thing as a 
small scale experiment for their whole transport people in tubes thing.


On Sat, May 21, 2022, 9:30 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:


Im slowly gonna sneak in 2 inch duct here and there heading south
til I get to your place. The Texas to Illinois tamale pipeline.
Once people find out about tamale pipelines, the underground
markets gonna explode

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 10:23 PM Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

You got this Steve..

On Sat, May 21, 2022, 3:24 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

So for the last three months I've been creating my
company, getting all that stuff in order, spending a shit
ton of money (for me). But the last pieces are falling in
place on monday. I pick my drill back up from vermeer
(12,300 dollar repair quote, but they managed to fix my
strike alert and saved me 3000 bucks). Probably not a good
business decision to put that much into an old drill when
the drill is worth less than the repair, but it gets me in
a drill.
I have a contract that's local for around 2 years work,
fairly low rate per foot compared to what's out there, but
its local and all I can eat when I want to eat it, so I
can keep my fulltime job while I transition. I figure
spend this year and maybe next building experience with my
son, then chase the bigger dough.
The underground industry seems a whole lot like the wisp
industry, where theres a whole bunch of strangers willing
to help strangers succeed with good advice. Theres some
assholes, but same here.
Once I get operational and have the toolset refined with
some experience I'll be heavily pimping to the wisp
degenerates turning fisp, I think theres a good number
that a guy can operate at to be affordable to small
outfits and still get a little money in the wallet.
My kid operated a mini ex for the first time, the video
games actually paid off, he got the feather concept of the
controls down, so he may leave me to go do that after some
experience, dont blame him a bit if he does, equipment
operators get the best cushions in the seats and the best
paychecks.
Just need to hand over the workmans comp certificate when
I have the drill back in hand and I start making the millions.
God is good, even if I'm not.
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[AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[Nate Burke]

I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I 
have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out 
of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty 
sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some 
old stock inventory for this.




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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[Ryan Ray]

You'll be right on the edge. Should work.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I
> have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out
> of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty
> sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some
> old stock inventory for this.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[Steve Jones]

for not critical i use f200 in DFS and 40mhz. Radio speedtests will show
that throughput

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:34 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> You'll be right on the edge. Should work.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I
>> have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out
>> of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty
>> sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some
>> old stock inventory for this.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, I don't know that you'll reliably get 100mb out of a 20mhz channel,
but it should do pretty close in ePTP mode. If you can do a 40mhz channel
it'll do it fine... if it's only a 1 mile link, I'd use 40mhz on a DFS
channel.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:51 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> for not critical i use f200 in DFS and 40mhz. Radio speedtests will show
> that throughput
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:34 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> You'll be right on the edge. Should work.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I
>>> have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out
>>> of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty
>>> sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some
>>> old stock inventory for this.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[dmmoffett]

Yeah I was thinking you’d not quite get a full 100mb on a 20mhz channel.  Might 
be 80-90.

I would plan on 5.6ghz and 40mhz.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

 

for not critical i use f200 in DFS and 40mhz. Radio speedtests will show that 
throughput

 

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:34 AM Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You'll be right on the edge. Should work. 

 

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:25 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I 
have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out 
of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty 
sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some 
old stock inventory for this.



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[AFMUG] 2022 Broadband Service Provider Survey

[Ray Savich via AF]

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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[Josh Luthman]

5 b/hz on Force 200.  About 100 meg aggregate.  Perfect signal, no noise.
Force 300 won't be all that much better unless you have a better signal
anyway.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 3:26 PM  wrote:

> Yeah I was thinking you’d not quite get a full 100mb on a 20mhz channel.
> Might be 80-90.
>
> I would plan on 5.6ghz and 40mhz.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput
>
>
>
> for not critical i use f200 in DFS and 40mhz. Radio speedtests will show
> that throughput
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:34 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> You'll be right on the edge. Should work.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I
> have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out
> of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty
> sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some
> old stock inventory for this.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[Bill Prince]

Of course, that would be half duplex as well. So if you have symmetrical
traffic, it would be ~~ 50Mbps per side.

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On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 2:25 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 5 b/hz on Force 200.  About 100 meg aggregate.  Perfect signal, no noise.
> Force 300 won't be all that much better unless you have a better signal
> anyway.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 3:26 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yeah I was thinking you’d not quite get a full 100mb on a 20mhz channel.
>> Might be 80-90.
>>
>> I would plan on 5.6ghz and 40mhz.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput
>>
>>
>>
>> for not critical i use f200 in DFS and 40mhz. Radio speedtests will show
>> that throughput
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:34 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>> You'll be right on the edge. Should work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I
>> have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out
>> of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty
>> sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some
>> old stock inventory for this.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[Mathew Howard]

On a 1 mile link, there should be more than enough signal to do 256qam, so
you would gain a fair amount from Force 300s (assuming LOS and no noise, of
course)

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 4:25 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 5 b/hz on Force 200.  About 100 meg aggregate.  Perfect signal, no noise.
> Force 300 won't be all that much better unless you have a better signal
> anyway.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 3:26 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yeah I was thinking you’d not quite get a full 100mb on a 20mhz channel.
>> Might be 80-90.
>>
>> I would plan on 5.6ghz and 40mhz.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput
>>
>>
>>
>> for not critical i use f200 in DFS and 40mhz. Radio speedtests will show
>> that throughput
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:34 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>> You'll be right on the edge. Should work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I
>> have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out
>> of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty
>> sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some
>> old stock inventory for this.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Darin Steffl]

18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the right.
These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun control.

Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be
passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.

Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do
nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun
nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.

Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and
shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians
and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass
shootings only happen in America.

I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your
party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:

> Figuratively inside the lines.
>
> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify]
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> ...you mean outside the lines?
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:
>
> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of rules
> and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do compacted
> fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides
> so the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky
> apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix
> on it and compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he
> sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel
> empty his machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they
> just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>
>
>
> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job
> where he emptied his sprayer.
>
>
>
> Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying down
> rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with
> the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year
> before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can do it
> and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told me to
> get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> but it's organic.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and
> concrete are environmentally friendly”
>
>
>
> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of
> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile
> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no
> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have
> road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And
> if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at
> mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke
> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly,
> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at
> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at
> mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile.
>
> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone else's,
> they want their government based on their current whim. Most of their
> arguments break down after a little long term logic.
>
>
>
> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not push
> too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a
> fingerful of shit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and the
> (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM  wrote:
>
> I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on board.  I
> registered as Libertarian and c

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Not being argumentative, curious, the guy that shot up the youth camp, where 
did he get his gun?  I would presume Norway had more strict gun laws than the 
US.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2022, at 6:32 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> 
> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the right. 
> These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun control.
> 
> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be passed. 
> Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
> 
> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do nothing. 
> They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun nuts happy. 
> Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
> 
> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and 
> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians and 
> ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass 
> shootings only happen in America.
> 
> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your 
> party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action! 
> 
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:
>> Figuratively inside the lines.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of rules 
>> and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Cc: Chuck McCown 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do compacted 
>> fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides so 
>> the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky apshalt 
>> oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix on it 
>> and compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he sprayed 
>> some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty his 
>> machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they just shut off 
>> the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job where 
>> he emptied his sprayer. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying down 
>> rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with 
>> the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year 
>> before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can do it 
>> and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told me to 
>> get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Bill Prince
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>> 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> but it's organic.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and 
>> concrete are environmentally friendly”
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of 
>> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile 
>> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no single 
>> governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have road 
>> issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And if 
>> john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at mile 
>> 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke 
>> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly, 
>> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at 
>> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at mile 
>> 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile.
>> 
>> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone else's, 
>> they want their government based on their current whim. Most of their 
>> arguments break down after a little long term logic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not push 
>> too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a 
>> fingerful 

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Craig House]

Also not trying to be argumentative but I honestly don’t believe gun laws will 
stop anything.  I’m pretty boring when it comes to life in general. No real 
friends I go out with, no known criminal or gang affiliations of anyone I know. 
 I don’t know any drug dealers and don’t go to bars   However I can and have 
purchased weapons in parking lots of malls and churches off of Facebook 
marketplace and direct through other fun private transfer sites.  I don’t even 
bust the dark web or want to but I’m sure they are available there as well.  
Yeah I know fb bans sale of guns.  It didn’t stop anything.  Neither will gun 
laws.  If I thought they would stop nut cases from getting guns I’d be all for 
it.  It won’t 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2022, at 20:00, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> 
> Not being argumentative, curious, the guy that shot up the youth camp, where 
> did he get his gun?  I would presume Norway had more strict gun laws than the 
> US.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 24, 2022, at 6:32 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the right. 
>> These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun control.
>> 
>> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be passed. 
>> Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>> 
>> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do nothing. 
>> They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun nuts happy. 
>> Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
>> 
>> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and 
>> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians 
>> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass 
>> shootings only happen in America.
>> 
>> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your 
>> party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action! 
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:
>>> Figuratively inside the lines.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of rules 
>>> and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Cc: Chuck McCown 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do compacted 
>>> fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides 
>>> so the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky 
>>> apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix 
>>> on it and compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he 
>>> sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel 
>>> empty his machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they 
>>> just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job 
>>> where he emptied his sprayer. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying down 
>>> rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with 
>>> the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year 
>>> before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can do it 
>>> and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told me to 
>>> get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>> 
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> but it's organic.
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and 
>>> concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of 
>>> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile 
>>> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no 
>>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Steve Jones]

Let me know when the criminals have handed over their guns and we can talk.
Your solution involves criminal compliance, and once you have shown that
they will, I have no issue with a conversation. The onus is on you however
to show proof of concept

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 7:34 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the
> right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun
> control.
>
> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be
> passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>
> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do
> nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun
> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
>
> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and
> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians
> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass
> shootings only happen in America.
>
> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your
> party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:
>
>> Figuratively inside the lines.
>>
>> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:
>>
>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of
>> rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do compacted
>> fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides
>> so the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky
>> apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix
>> on it and compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he
>> sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel
>> empty his machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they
>> just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>
>>
>>
>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job
>> where he emptied his sprayer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying down
>> rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with
>> the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year
>> before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can do it
>> and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told me to
>> get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> but it's organic.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and
>> concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>
>>
>>
>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of
>> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile
>> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no
>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have
>> road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And
>> if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at
>> mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke
>> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly,
>> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at
>> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at
>> mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile.
>>
>> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone else's,
>> they want their government based on their current whim. Most of their
>> arguments break down after a little long term logic.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not
>> push too hard on a 2022

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Steve Jones]

I remember how effective banning cocaine was. No one can sell it, no one
can purchase it, it's not even made here. I'm so glad that the cocaine
scourge was eliminated when they banned it and no children die because of
it anymore. I hope they ban heroin too so that it wont be a problem. After
that I hope they ban human trafficking because that is deplorable.
I remember the days when we had crime, but then crime became illegal and it
stopped.
A society that takes "you can do or be anything" to the extremes with no
consequense whatsoever would definetly not have anything to do with the
problems of said society, that's for sure.

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 10:56 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Let me know when the criminals have handed over their guns and we can
> talk. Your solution involves criminal compliance, and once you have shown
> that they will, I have no issue with a conversation. The onus is on you
> however to show proof of concept
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 7:34 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the
>> right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun
>> control.
>>
>> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be
>> passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>>
>> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do
>> nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun
>> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
>>
>> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and
>> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians
>> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass
>> shootings only happen in America.
>>
>> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your
>> party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Figuratively inside the lines.
>>>
>>> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of
>>> rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do
>>> compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on
>>> both sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot
>>> sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping
>>> hot mix on it and compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty
>>> so he sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the
>>> gravel empty his machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally
>>> they just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job
>>> where he emptied his sprayer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying
>>> down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder
>>> with the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the
>>> year before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can
>>> do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told
>>> me to get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> but it's organic.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and
>>> concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of
>>> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile
>>> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no
>>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have
>>> road issues now, but every 

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Jaime Solorza]

Fuck our piece of shit governor,  Trumpabbott and all his gun loving
supporters...
Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
Trumputinsky,  Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the
> right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun
> control.
>
> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be
> passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>
> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do
> nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun
> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
>
> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and
> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians
> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass
> shootings only happen in America.
>
> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your
> party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:
>
>> Figuratively inside the lines.
>>
>> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:
>>
>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of
>> rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do compacted
>> fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides
>> so the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky
>> apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix
>> on it and compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he
>> sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel
>> empty his machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they
>> just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>
>>
>>
>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job
>> where he emptied his sprayer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying down
>> rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with
>> the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year
>> before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can do it
>> and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told me to
>> get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> but it's organic.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and
>> concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>
>>
>>
>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of
>> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile
>> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no
>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have
>> road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And
>> if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at
>> mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke
>> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly,
>> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at
>> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at
>> mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile.
>>
>> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone else's,
>> they want their government based on their current whim. Most of their
>> arguments break down after a little long term logic.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not
>> push too hard on a 2022 l

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Jamie, you really think the problem lies solely with republicans?  If the 
democrats did the Australian solution everything would be better and all 
problems would go away?  Republicans are spawn of satan and universally evil?  

Worst school massacre was 95 years ago.  A guy got upset with his property tax 
bill and a few other things, wired up the school house and blew them all up.  
45 dead 58 injured.There will always be anarchists and sociopaths.  With or 
without Trump.   This guy was a staunch democrat.  

https://www.mlive.com/news/2017/05/10_things_you_probably_didnt_k.html

The current bout of crisis is young people that grew up with a constant diet of 
first person shooter video games and a society that breeds the grit out of 
young people.  Let them fantasize about mass murder, practice it a virtual 
environment, never tell them no, never give them a beating.  What would expect 
the outcome would be?

Of course I have no knowledge of the backgrounds of the latest kids doing this 
stuff, so this is just my theorizing, but I don’t blame a political party for 
columbine kids.  I blame their parents first and foremost.  But what you gonna 
do if you kid truly is a sociopath/psychopath.  Ted Bundy had a mom too.  




From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

Fuck our piece of shit governor,  Trumpabbott and all his gun loving 
supporters... 
Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
Trumputinsky,  Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

  18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the right. 
These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun control. 

  Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be passed. 
Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.

  Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do nothing. 
They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun nuts happy. 
Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.

  Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and 
shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians and 
ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass shootings 
only happen in America.

  I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your 
party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action! 

  On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:

Figuratively inside the lines.  







From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political



...you mean outside the lines?



On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:

  NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of 
rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political



  Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had to do compacted 
fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides so 
the profile of the patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky apshalt oil 
in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix on it and 
compacting.  The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he sprayed some of 
the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty his machine.  
Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they just shut off the burner 
and pump and add more the next day.



  An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job 
where he emptied his sprayer.  



  Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That involves laying down 
rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with the 
exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year before.  
Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked why UDOT can do it and we 
cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous.  He told me to get off his 
work site or I would be arrested.



  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political



  but it's organic.

bpOn 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

“kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and 
concrete are environmentally friendly”



Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill







From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
S

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Darin Steffl]

Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other
country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.

Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every
gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal
background checks means no more private sales without a background check.
Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they
should.

If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this
means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to
commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people
accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a
parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious.
Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands.
People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell
or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their
firearm.

Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns going
to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other
country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics
clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works
everywhere else, it WILL work here.

Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if
someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or
violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns
until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their
guns back.

This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a
good guy with a gun.

The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have
access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more
people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say
you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start
killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol
and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting
shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know
who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the
same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse
yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person
firefight happening in church.

The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid
of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a
personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all
holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!

FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have
the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for
others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun
and I support that.

The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police
officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost
tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It
may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps
before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in
preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.

Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions,
thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun
lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control
legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal
background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.

I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to
democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase
supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to
hurt the American people. They take away human rights. They lie about
science and allow their supporters to die from covid by spreading
misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting the fear of God
into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God,
indoctrination...

The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't stand
up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still
spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure
election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger
generation won't tolerate all the BS.

Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as long
as we keep it moderate an

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Robert]

Well, you can basically consider the rest of the world for this "Proof 
of concept"   I wasn't going to say anything because I'm too old to 
think it's going to change.   But for proof, you can consider,   
England, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Switzerland, etc...   All 
with what we consider "gun restrictions"   All with much lower mass 
murders by gun stats, year after year.   Do I thing we are going to join 
them?  Not a chance in Hell.  I just hope I don't get taken out before 
dying in my sleep...


On 5/24/22 8:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Let me know when the criminals have handed over their guns and we can 
talk. Your solution involves criminal compliance, and once you have 
shown that they will, I have no issue with a conversation. The onus is 
on you however to show proof of concept


On Tue, May 24, 2022, 7:34 PM Darin Steffl  
wrote:


18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from
the right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of
sensible gun control.

Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to
be passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.

Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to
do nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to
keep gun nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support
stricter gun control.

Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing
and shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your
politicians and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a
goddamn joke. These mass shootings only happen in America.

I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion
if your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!

On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:

Figuratively inside the lines.

Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

...you mean outside the lines?

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:

NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely
have a lot of rules and they do want you to color inside
the lines.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had
to do compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had
to be milled down on both sides so the profile of the
patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky apshalt
oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to
dumping hot mix on it and compacting.  The guy running the
sprayer was almost empty so he sprayed some of the gravel
on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty his
machine.  Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally
they just shut off the burner and pump and add more the
next day.

An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat
clean up job where he emptied his sprayer.

Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That
involves laying down rock chips and spraying the whole
road and a portion of the shoulder with the exact same hot
sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year
before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked
why UDOT can do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt
oil less hazardous.  He told me to get off his work site
or I would be arrested.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

but it's organic.

bp



On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

“kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't
believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly”

Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil
spill

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
 *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want
the benefits of g

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Robert]

I do think you nailed it about the influence of these games.

On 5/24/22 9:45 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Jamie, you really think the problem lies solely with republicans?  If 
the democrats did the Australian solution everything would be better 
and all problems would go away? Republicans are spawn of satan and 
universally evil?
Worst school massacre was 95 years ago.  A guy got upset with his 
property tax bill and a few other things, wired up the school house 
and blew them all up.  45 dead 58 injured.    There will always be 
anarchists and sociopaths. With or without Trump.   This guy was a 
staunch democrat.

https://www.mlive.com/news/2017/05/10_things_you_probably_didnt_k.html
The current bout of crisis is young people that grew up with a 
constant diet of first person shooter video games and a society that 
breeds the grit out of young people.  Let them fantasize about mass 
murder, practice it a virtual environment, never tell them no, never 
give them a beating. What would expect the outcome would be?
Of course I have no knowledge of the backgrounds of the latest kids 
doing this stuff, so this is just my theorizing, but I don’t blame a 
political party for columbine kids.  I blame their parents first and 
foremost.  But what you gonna do if you kid truly is a 
sociopath/psychopath.  Ted Bundy had a mom too.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
Fuck our piece of shit governor,  Trumpabbott and all his gun loving 
supporters...

Fuck his press release...
These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
Trumputinsky,  Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl  
wrote:


18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from
the right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of
sensible gun control.
Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to
be passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to
do nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to
keep gun nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support
stricter gun control.
Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing
and shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your
politicians and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a
goddamn joke. These mass shootings only happen in America.
I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion
if your party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM  wrote:

Figuratively inside the lines.

Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

...you mean outside the lines?

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM  wrote:

NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely
have a lot of rules and they do want you to color inside
the lines.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

Once we had to cut a road with an excavator.  Then we had
to do compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had
to be milled down on both sides so the profile of the
patch formed a T shape.  We used the hot sticky apshalt
oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to
dumping hot mix on it and compacting. The guy running the
sprayer was almost empty so he sprayed some of the gravel
on the edges of the road surface in the gravel empty his
machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally
they just shut off the burner and pump and add more the
next day.

An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat
clean up job where he emptied his sprayer.

Then the next year they chip sealed that road.  That
involves laying down rock chips and spraying the whole
road and a portion of the shoulder with the exact same hot
sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year
before.  Same inspector was there.  I got out and asked
why UDOT can do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt
oil less hazardous. He told me to get off his work site or
I would be arrested.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM

*To

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Assuming all true, so what?  It will never happen here.  There may be 
incremental movement towards reasonable solutions but we will never be like the 
countries that greatly restrict ownership and access.  It is baked into the DNA 
of our nation, for better or worse.  So say the serenity prayer and go about 
your day.  

I think you should have to have liability insurance to own a gun.  No insurance 
no gun.  No insurance, no drive you car.  No workers comp insurance, no 
employees.   No tikee, no washee.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other country 
in the world and how much less gun violence they have. 

Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every gun 
a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal 
background checks means no more private sales without a background check. Gun 
shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they should. 

If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this means 
sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to commit a 
crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people accountable who put 
guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a parent's gun to commit a 
crime, charge the parent for something serious. Send a message that guns are 
serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. People will lock up their guns and be 
way more careful about who they sell or gift them to if they are liable for 
crimes committed using their firearm. 

Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns going to 
criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other country that 
has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics clearly show 
that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works everywhere else, it 
WILL work here. 

Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if 
someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or violence 
they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns until they 
have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their guns back.

This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good 
guy with a gun.

The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have 
access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more people 
is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say you're in Texas 
at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start killing people in 
church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol and have to decide who 
the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting shot by other good guys? 
The answer is quite a few. You don't always know who the bad guy with a gun is 
if all the good guys with guns draw at the same time. You could be shot by 
other good guys or cops on accident. Worse yet would be shooting innocent 
bystanders because there's a 20 person firefight happening in church. 

The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid of 
their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a 
personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all 
holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be 
private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!

FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have the 
ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and shotguns. I have 
no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for others to want them 
either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun and I support that.

The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police 
officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost tons 
of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It may only 
reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps before we get 
to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in preventing these mass 
shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.

Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions, thoughts 
and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun lobby does not 
help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control legislation does not help. 
Over 90% of Americans support universal background checks yet the Republicans 
won't do a damn thing to pass it. 

I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the obstructionist, 
pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to democrats. They blocked 
bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase supply of baby formula, help 
reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to hurt the American pe

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Steve Jones]

No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of firearms
we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you  have
nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight
very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how that
turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be Compton USA.
Stop the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less.

You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot. You
dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there
shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.

On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other
> country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
>
> Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every
> gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal
> background checks means no more private sales without a background check.
> Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they
> should.
>
> If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this
> means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to
> commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people
> accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a
> parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious.
> Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands.
> People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell
> or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their
> firearm.
>
> Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns
> going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other
> country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics
> clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works
> everywhere else, it WILL work here.
>
> Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if
> someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or
> violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns
> until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their
> guns back.
>
> This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a
> good guy with a gun.
>
> The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have
> access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more
> people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say
> you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start
> killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol
> and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting
> shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know
> who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the
> same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse
> yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person
> firefight happening in church.
>
> The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid
> of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a
> personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all
> holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
> private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
>
> FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have
> the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
> shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for
> others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun
> and I support that.
>
> The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police
> officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost
> tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It
> may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps
> before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in
> preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.
>
> Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions,
> thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun
> lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control
> legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal
> background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
>
> I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
> obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to
> democrats. They blocked bills to reduc

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Steve Jones]

You dont have to have insurance, or even a drivers license for that matter
to own or operate a vehicle. You only need those things to operate them on
public property.
Theres no age restriction to own or operate a vehicle either, there is only
an age restriction to operate a vehicle in public.
Guns are already more restricted than vehicles

On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:28 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Assuming all true, so what?  It will never happen here.  There may be
> incremental movement towards reasonable solutions but we will never be like
> the countries that greatly restrict ownership and access.  It is baked into
> the DNA of our nation, for better or worse.  So say the serenity prayer and
> go about your day.
>
> I think you should have to have liability insurance to own a gun.  No
> insurance no gun.  No insurance, no drive you car.  No workers comp
> insurance, no employees.   No tikee, no washee.
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other
> country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
>
> Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every
> gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal
> background checks means no more private sales without a background check.
> Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they
> should.
>
> If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this
> means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to
> commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people
> accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a
> parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious.
> Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands.
> People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell
> or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their
> firearm.
>
> Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns
> going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other
> country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics
> clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works
> everywhere else, it WILL work here.
>
> Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if
> someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or
> violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns
> until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their
> guns back.
>
> This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a
> good guy with a gun.
>
> The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have
> access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more
> people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say
> you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start
> killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol
> and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting
> shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know
> who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the
> same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse
> yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person
> firefight happening in church.
>
> The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid
> of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a
> personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all
> holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
> private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
>
> FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have
> the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
> shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for
> others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun
> and I support that.
>
> The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police
> officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost
> tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It
> may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps
> before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in
> preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.
>
> Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions,
> thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun
> lobby does